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Who gives a shit though?
Exactly.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
i find it interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I would like to see him work his way back to where He was before his injury.I hope the best for Joe anyway.
From www.babyjoemesi.com:
DATE Friday, October 12, 2007
EVENT MESI vs. SHANNON “TROUBLE” MILLER
LOCATION Twin River Events Center
Lincoln, Rhode Island
DESCRIPTION Mesi fights Shannon "Trouble" Miller (15-3, 9 KOs) on Friday, October 12th at Twin River Events Center in Lincoln, Rhode Island.
The 10-round main event is for the vacant WBC USNBC heavyweight title.
He's probably just still trying to get his confidence back up but imo, it's time to step it up more. Keeping in mind of course that if he beats Miller, this doesn't mean he's ready for a title shot.
I Hate see bad things happen to nice people.Joe Messy needs to get out of boxing with his condition before he ends up feeding through a straw the rest of his life.His dad should be smacked for man-child abuse and see his SON first Instead Of HIS own wants.when he gets hit,it's scary looking.
Shannon Miller is the guy who got brutally KO'd by Maddalone a year or so back isn't he? I'm sure he is. He hurt Maddalone in that one too and looks to have decent skills, he's a capable fighter. Should be a good test for Mesi, since he insists on fighting on.
yea, hes the one who git KTFO by maddalone, and then he got KTFO by two undefeated guys, hes on TV here a decent amountQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I didn't think Mesi was much even before the injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
He wasn't but he was working on it. The fact that he looked, acted and fought like a regular "Joe" is what made people like him. It's also why they wanted him to succeed. The fact that he fought and won in a brutal match gave him sort of that Rocky appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Honestly...for Joe's own safety & most boxing fan's sanity I would love to see Joe barred from the ring totally.
Great White Hope or not...Joe aint a sure fire sell for me in the first place...his injury punctuates that thought with an exclamation point!
One thing I dont get about this guy...whenever he is commenting on a fight, he is always the first person to want a fight stopped. But he cant see that when it comes to himself....
Yeh, Maybe Rocky PEPELI..... :fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by slk123
LOL. It looks like that guy is well on his way to becoming listed on the "worst record" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli Surfs In 'Nawlins
Mesi is undefeated in 35 with 28 KOs. Granted not against the best ... he was just starting to knock on the gatekeeper's door when he was injured.
I don't think he would have amounted to a great deal in the division but he might have become one of the gatekeepers.
His record shows he's got some skill and power. But he got hit too much by Jirov. Needs to be more defensively evasive.
He fought six times Apr 2006-Apr 2007, against very unimpressive competition, clearly just to stay in the game. His injuries are of concern, but if he's fighting, he's fighting. He may as well step it up and give it a shot if he's not going to get out. A bum can hurt him as bad as top level competition if he's getting hit. If it's going to happen, let him at least be pursuing his dream when it does, not fighting bums at county fairs. And ... maybe it won't happen, anyway. Maybe he's fine. Hope we never have to learn otherwise.
Don't mean to sound flippant about the risk; just that he's already taking it ...
WHAT THE F!!$#%@. With respect,did Jirov hit YOU Too???Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
Ok,so if I enter an intersection against a red light,It might as well be a porsche Hitting me as opposed to a Chevy Nova??
I Like mesi,I Like Him Exactly As is......Intelligent,productive and there for his family.Joe Get's Hit "ugly"I.E,he does not go down,he teeters and throws back.Barret began what Jirov Pronounced.Joe should Retire,With honor.
Maybe he should retire. But he's not retiring. That's a fact, and there's nothing we can do to change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli Surfs In 'Nawlins
As far as the Nova and the 911C, yep, you hit it on the head. You can't get any more dead than just barely. Personally, I'd rather go out against a 911C - the car of my dreams - than against a "No-Go." (en epanish no va = no go)
I can't disagree with you that it might be best for Mesi retire. And I don't. Since he's not going to, then what? No opinions about how he should proceed in his non-retirement course can possibly be politically correct enough to be stated? Eh ... gee, then all we can talk about is fiction. Mesi's non-existent retirement. The should-a instead of the is. Boring if you ask me, like living in denial. Go for it.
Sorry - I stand by what I wrote. If he's going to fight, fight up. There's no point in playing chicken with Novas.
To be honest I dont't know shit about cars.I Live life to the fullest with the best.I believe in GUSTO,go forward make the most and every obsticale I confront I will go around/over/under/ OR THROUGH.I got dat and respect the heart but As a fan ....I dont want this.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
Now as a man in a free counrty able to meet medical requirments,recieve a license and follow his dream ,that u respect,But this man is going to get hurt,no tickets for me..thanks.
I respect that. I'm still boycotting Nestle's. Principles matter.
If he wins this fight he will be ranked once again in the WBC top 10.
He deserves a shot, he was ranked #1 before the rabbit punch that almost ended his career.
If you don't TRUELY know about his injury, you should do a little research. It is much less than ANY of the concussions that football players suffer every game.
Also, I find it funny how no one has a problem with Barrera fighting but they do with MESI!? Why is that? ??? Barrera has brain surgery and has a damn metal plate in his skull?
Ok chief,you obviously know the injury and its circumstances so please edcucate me,maybe Im missing something and should have no concerns for mesi,or any fighter that has suffererd bleeding on the brain.I am no doctor,but I would venture to say this is far more than a "concussion".Quote:
Originally Posted by mikefromstu
If barrera was in the same situation,I.E known bleeding on the brain(?) AND the judgement of every state commision med.board to not renew his liscence ,I would be saying the exact same thing (after pacman fight,he may be there ???)and not to flip but mesi gets hit more than a nickle slot machine.Yeh,Barrere gets hit and has been in some brutal wars but the only thing he and mesi have in common is they share half a nickname.Mesi should not be any where near the top ten based on comeback bouts.
Three or four states have deemed him medically fit to return and there for he is following his dream, and good luck to him.He has the "right" to fight I just dont want to sit through another tragedy,ecspecially when the warning signs were there as opposed to others That happenend in the past where we had no clue going in.Lets hope for one thing...I am wrong and Mesi Realizes his dream safe and sound ? But no tickets for me,thanks.
Ok I will educate you.
First of all NO DOCTOR has ever proved that having a subderal hemotoma causes you to be more at risk to have another. For example, the blood vesil that burst in his brain is not longer there. It disolved.
Here is a quote from Kevin Iole of Yahoo!
Extraordinarily powerful was the testimony of Dr. Stephen Olvey, director of the neurosurgical intensive care unit at the University of Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital.
"Athletes who suffered more serious subdural hematomas than Mesi, Olvey said, have returned safely to competition. Olvey cited racer Roberto Guerrero, who suffered a far more severe injury than Mesi and not only returned to racing but was in other violent crashes and did not suffer another subdural hematoma.
The basis of the commission's position Mesi is unfit to box is because he has already had one subdural hematoma, or bleed on the brain, he is at greater risk to have another.
If that is true, the commission did the right thing Thursday by voting 5-0 to uphold his medical suspension.
But none of the five members of the commission, not even Drs. Tony Alamo and Flip Homansky, gave evidence to support that position."
Now, onto Barrera. His injury was MUCH MUCH worse. The problem is that it happened in Mexico and Nevada didn't find out about it until long after it occured. Right before the first pacman fight.
"Dr. Julian Bailes, who works with the NFL Players Association to study brain injuries, said without an underlying injury to the brain itself a person who has had a subdural hematoma that has healed is no more likely to suffer another one than anyone else"
Its all moot
Joe's never going to get a shot at the big time,with his injury,no manager in their right mind will risk him for a big time fight,and no major governing body will sanction his fights
If it makes money....
With Respect Mikefromstu ,not quite an education but I applaud your passion and Insight,what it comes down to is theres no proof theres a greater risk of it happening twice.Can we prove a negative?I believe Barrera surgery consisted of the removal of an enlarged vessel or vein ???? and steel was placed over the repaired area.was it a disaster prevented,could have been as it was discovered and seen to be a concern and taken care of.He was tested after the fact and was seen fit to continue by medical persons and comissions.in mesis case The commision saw fit to stick by it's descision for what they see as a qualified and edcucated reasons although La./W.va./Ark. Have disagreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikefromstu
Im afraid the only way to make a case that there is a greater risk of reoccurence is the morbid task of citing past fighters and or other athletes that have payed with there lives( and you and I both know there are cases) for rolling the dice and following the money,alot of cases being pushed by selfish promotors/managers/and in the saddest cases for some,themselves.
Still,Imo Mesi should retire and not to sound flip but his skill set does not bode well for him to take alot of damage.Thanks for the dialouge and input,these things need to be disscussed and put out there. :coolclick: to ya.
You can make money on a guy who isnt a wild cardQuote:
Originally Posted by mikefromstu
And because of the layoff,he isnt the draw he was
Not to mention you wont be able to set it up in any of the major venues because those governing bodies wont sanction
You think Klitschko is going to risk his title for the take theyll get at a venue in West Virginia?
If Mesi beats Miller convincingly, that will pave the way for him to continue to step up. The proof is in the pudding; we'll just have to see where he goes.
I found the medical post interesting and convincing. It's not enough to say that you can't prove a negative as an attempt to undermine it. It makes as much sense to say that any boxer could possibly suffer the same injury in any given fight; you can't prove he won't; so he shouldn't fight.
If such an injury is no indicator of the likelihood of another similar injury, then there's little difference between Joe and another fighter who hasn't experienced this injury ... yet. If, and as I said, I found the post convincing enough.
But he does need to do something about his defense, and fighting at the level he has been at has probably not done a lot to improve him in that area.