anyone read this and experiment with it? just curious, the stance section was just glanced at but seemed very very narrow and unbalanced...maybe i didn't read like i should any commets?
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anyone read this and experiment with it? just curious, the stance section was just glanced at but seemed very very narrow and unbalanced...maybe i didn't read like i should any commets?
Its a basis,but it needs lots of building upon,if thats all you use youll get killed but come on the books 60 years old
and the basics are older than that...was just wondering if anyone used that style of stance anymore...course you gotta be more fluid...
Theres so much thats happened since then,like I said its something you can start wit,but staying with it is asking for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Trust me,I know trainers who still use the thing like the holy freaking bible,Ive never seen one of their fighters rise above also rans at Rough N Rowdies
Kinda sad really
well i was looking at it for its history and some ideas on basics don't get me wrong, i think boxing in general needs to come into at least the 19 th century...also what do you think about the drying out of the fighters? that is a curiousity, never heard that theory for speeding up a fighter...
Ill be honest,I havent looked at the thing in next to forever.But,if he was talking about taking a fighter in to the ring dry,he's dead wrong,and if he was talking about cutting liquids he's not only practically wrong,he's chemically wrong,a cramping fighter isnt a fast one.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Ill go back and check,I dont know if I can even find my copy,but I think Chris N. posted links to the individual chapters
Crap,its a pay site
Its in chapter 11 isnt it
Can someone post that chapter so I can re-read it,my book collection is all over the freaking place right now,and for the life of me,I cant remember what he wrote
One of my ex trainers used to ban drinking fluids in training. Even in summer (which can get pretty hot here) we were not allowed. He had a theory that it was bad for your kidneys or heart or something. I know a Chinese woman who thought that too because she was taught that in her high school track team (and she's in her late 20s) - it's dangerous not to drink when you're dehydrated. i don't know what ever made anyone think otherwise but these old beliefs still persist in some places!
Splutter!! Wha??!! :o :o :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
Wow!! I had no idea there where still some Neanderthals out there who thought that.
Good heavens, not drinking fluids is what's bad for your kidneys. One of my former co-workers has a son who plays football in college. While he was in high school, he did not drink enough water during practice one hot day and after practice, he collapsed in the hall way leaving after getting a shower. Everyone else had already gone home including the coaching staff. Luckily, there was one teammate left who was looking to bum a ride home off him who found him collapsed with salt crystallized on his skin. If his teammate had not found him and got help as quickly as he did, he would have gone into complete and fatal renal failure. Luckily he recovered fully, and now is very good about keeping himself hydrated.
Yeah you're right CC FeuerFrei
A chiropractor I used to see told me his daughter trained with the Australian Institute of sport as a rower. As part of training they had to go out hiking or something on a hot day and didn't take enough water.
She became so dehydrated and overheated she suffered muscle meltdown and has never been the same since. Once they got her to the hospital he muscles kept melting down because apparently once that starts it's very hard to stop and she was lucky to survive at all.
That happened to a girl in her twenties trained by professionals to compete at a high level (not sure when but I gather not more than 5 or 10 years ago)- they just didn't plan for the basics and she has no hope of competing at that level ever again! I think if I was her I'd want to charge them with negligence or something.
Scary stuff! Your friends son was very lucky to be rescued in time to make a complete recovery. I didn't even know that kind of muscle melt down existed until I was told by my old chiro - I never realized it could cause such permanent damage!
When you think of what water consists off its stupid practice, the bodys makeup is 65% water. I remember a time when one of mine was taking creatine ordered by a psyhio he was seeing without my knowledge Boxed won but was not his usual self and after the fight was feeling bad. Got it out of him what he had been doing, the pyshio was there he got a bollocking. Rushed him to the hospital under durress, to find if he had left it another 4 hours he would have been dead, crazy
Ouch! Was he taking loading doses of creatine? Could it be that bad with small doses of creatine if you put your body through something like the stress of a competition?
It's scary how hit and miss things can be when taking advice from health professionals - difficult to tell the difference between a good one and a bad one when you're not an expert in the area yourself!
Creatine is okay in small doses. The problem is understanding the sense of feel, with creatine an inbalance occurs in the senses
So is that because it dehydrates you or because it adds water to your muscles? Would ordinary dehydration do the same thing to your senses. I mean I am pretty bad at remembering to drink water and some days which are warmer than others might have me mildly dehydrated - could that be the cause of me having random uncoordinated days?
It gives you a chemical inbalance which is unnatural. The body produces creatine overuse puts strain on the reproduction organs. There was a very interesting article biochemistry of exercise 89 worth a read, it frightened the life out of me. plus ability to feel is affected by chemical inbalance
Andro has a similar effect,a pitcher who was trying to lose weight while taking Andro a few years ago for the Orioles died because of not hydrating properly
Look at how the old fighters stood, Charles Burley, Gene Tunney, or any fighter that was worth their weight in salt you wouldn't be caught dead using the stance that many use today. This has been talked about over and over again in this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Let's look at today's squared on stance of hunching your shoulders, keeping your chin down, and keeping your hands on your cheek bones which with many people takes your elbows away from where they ought to be, along with the step drag movement that puts many fighters off balance. You see here that the whole time the body is working against its own biomechanics hindering the fighter from doing what they're trying to do. Now put a beginner in this stance and they'll walk away with a head ache and wondering what they did wrong.
In defense of this book book I see it as helpful for people that are not familiar with a lot of boxing's techniques and concepts, and I would think that it would be a trainers job to already know them. As with any source of information it shouldn't be taken in like it was the gospel truth, the reader should be objective enough to make up their own mind, to ask questions about the subject and understand where the author is coming from.
The author of this book, Edwin Haislet, as he stated in the preface of the book said that the information within the book was the result of experiment and experience that was geared towards the proper developement of skill. He admitted that it is not perfect and that further experience would bring about constructive changes. You gotta agree with him there. You can see that with the advancement in the understanding in the way the body works, this understanding can be applied to boxing and it's training methods. Experience has also showed us that some of the old methods such as drying out is both impractical and harmful for a person. Some people in their ignorance or perhaps by own experience still stick to the method of drying out. I've still see coaches that go off of the "Water is for the weak" mentallity and consequently their athletes suffer. I know that Kostya Tszyu in his hayday swore by it, and would harldly drink much water when getting prepped for a fight.
It's real big pity for any fighter that has one of those dime a dozen trainers can talk a good talk but don't know what the hell that they're doing. You know what I'm talking about you see a guy like a boxing parrot yelling out the typical boxing lingo, "Keep your hands up, keep your chin down, throw more jabs, throw more to body, watch their right hand, move move. Then you have the fighter that has been taught all the wrong things and getting beat up wondering what went wrong.
I guess what experience can show us that life is too short to be stupid.
The word constructive comes to mind cc chris
now that's the kind of reply i was looking for thanx so much, i was wondering if anyone still used the drying out method, as some old school belief (like weight lifting) are good. also how much creatine is good a day and how do you ofset the imbalances? also what do you mean it affects touch? as in it alters your perception of things like hot cold pain etc?
CC for the warning Scrap. I'll look for that paper - thanks for the reference :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Ice, Touch and Feel are The main warning systems in relation to sport its understanding it has been the problem. Like gravity its always there its being able to relate like anything, do you feel up to it is a clue.
I think you talking about Ephedrine?? .. Andro would actually have the opposite effect on the body. likely increase the body's weight ..Really the problem is nobody goes by recommended dosage on these things, they take 3 4 times the recommended dosage and have ill effects. Ephedrine when used properly was a nice product. a few people abused it and died or fell ill , The powers at hand were quick to pull it off the shelves. It's crazy how things work, all political.. Take cigarettes for example, it’s a known fact that cigarettes kills millions of people every year, yet you can still go buy a pack.. makes no logical sense to me, how things work,, and we the people just sit back and except it.. It’s ludicrousQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
well then with all these warings and some firsthand knowledge, this post mmay serve a lot of young boxers... i remember that a Rhadi Ferguson once told me that supplements were the last thing he needed, last. that was he found good general nutrition and rest did more than most will give time and crdit for... so for all the young boxers, take heed... the body is incrdible don't get too fast
My bad it was ephedrineQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseb...ileur_Ray1.stm
Should think longer before I type some times ;D