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Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
I really think Honeyghan in 86 would've beaten Starling and Breland (any version of either) I believe he is one of the greatest British fighters of all time, but I have never known a fighter to become so 'shot' so quickly. After the Vaca ight he was a shadow. His 'prime' literally only lasted a couple of fights and when he did fight Breland and Starling he was like a lamb to the slaughter. Not an excuse - Fact!
He destroyed p4p number 1 Curry (even ahead of Hagler on p4p in 86)
Bumphus was world class 29-1
Blocker was 24-0 and only lost once between 82 and 90 (to Honeyghan) beateing Starlon in process
Hatcher only ever beaten on cuts taken out inside a round
Whadda reckon?
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
I do think that the prime Raggamuffin would have beaten a prime Breland. He was completely shot by that fight and it was horrible to watch. Lloyd came from the same area as half my family so he was a real hero to me (and I met him and he was fucking lovely in real life although I was hammered). The real Honeyghan would have walked through MB's punches and hammer the body for a mid round KO.
As for Starling, I'm not so sure. His counterpunching style may have always had Lloyds' number. On the other hand, Honeyghan prior to winning the title was a smarter boxer so maybe THAT version would have beaten him. After the Curry fight he turned into more fighter than boxer. Difficult to say. Marlon may have been Barkley to Lloyds Hearns...
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by taansend
I do think that the prime Raggamuffin would have beaten a prime Breland. He was completely shot by that fight and it was horrible to watch. Lloyd came from the same area as half my family so he was a real hero to me (and I met him and he was F****** lovely in real life although I was hammered). The real Honeyghan would have walked through MB's punches and hammer the body for a mid round KO.
As for Starling, I'm not so sure. His counterpunching style may have always had Lloyds' number. On the other hand, Honeyghan prior to winning the title was a smarter boxer so maybe THAT version would have beaten him. After the Curry fight he turned into more fighter than boxer. Difficult to say. Marlon may have been Barkley to Lloyds Hearns...
CC mate - nice post
I just don't understand why Lloyd was shot so quickly, he hadn't been in many wars?
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
Cheers Mate, back at ya.
I think his style changed after the Curry fight. He was a smart pressure fighter before that and he just went a bit too much gung ho after reaching the Welter pinnacle.
It's happened to so many fighters, although on a more obvious level.
Tyson had a great jab and a beautiful work-in/walk-in combo (head-body-head) but after Spinks just went a-head hunting.
Prince Naz would work from the outside and use his speed to land punches from all angles, but after Robinson he tried to get a triple 20 with every dart!
Etc etc etc. It makes you realise how smart the great ones are....
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
My best memory of him, was running across the ring to Tw4t Bumphus while he was still on his stool ;D
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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My best memory of him, was running across the ring to Tw4t Bumphus while he was still on his stool ;D
Yeah, Lou Duva went mental.
I reckon the Honeyghan that beat Curry would have beaten Breland but I agree Starling would have been a tricky one.
I bumped into him in a Sainsbury's car park in Wandsworth a few years back and he seemed a nice fella.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
When honeygan beat curry he did so by outboxing him. Once he won the title he turned from stylish boxer to a brawler, this made him weak on defence. If he had stayed as a boxer instead of a brawler he could have beaten starling and breland on the same night.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
He would have beaten Breland easily but it's another story with Starling.
I see it 50/50
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I really think Honeyghan in 86 would've beaten Starling and Breland (any version of either) I believe he is one of the greatest British fighters of all time, but I have never known a fighter to become so 'shot' so quickly. After the Vaca ight he was a shadow. His 'prime' literally only lasted a couple of fights and when he did fight Breland and Starling he was like a lamb to the slaughter. Not an excuse - Fact!
He destroyed p4p number 1 Curry (even ahead of Hagler on p4p in 86)
Bumphus was world class 29-1
Blocker was 24-0 and only lost once between 82 and 90 (to Honeyghan) beateing Starlon in process
Hatcher only ever beaten on cuts taken out inside a round
Whadda reckon?
Yes i think he would have even though Curry was weight drained Honeyghan was something else that night one of the best performances i've ever seen BIG H.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I really think Honeyghan in 86 would've beaten Starling and Breland (any version of either) I believe he is one of the greatest British fighters of all time, but I have never known a fighter to become so 'shot' so quickly. After the Vaca ight he was a shadow. His 'prime' literally only lasted a couple of fights and when he did fight Breland and Starling he was like a lamb to the slaughter. Not an excuse - Fact!
He destroyed p4p number 1 Curry (even ahead of Hagler on p4p in 86)
Bumphus was world class 29-1
Blocker was 24-0 and only lost once between 82 and 90 (to Honeyghan) beateing Starlon in process
Hatcher only ever beaten on cuts taken out inside a round
Whadda reckon?
One other thing BIG H do you think that was one of the best ever performances from British fighter over someone rated as high as Curry ??
Arguement could be made for Turpin vs Robinson but what do you think ??
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I really think Honeyghan in 86 would've beaten Starling and Breland (any version of either) I believe he is one of the greatest British fighters of all time, but I have never known a fighter to become so 'shot' so quickly. After the Vaca ight he was a shadow. His 'prime' literally only lasted a couple of fights and when he did fight Breland and Starling he was like a lamb to the slaughter. Not an excuse - Fact!
He destroyed p4p number 1 Curry (even ahead of Hagler on p4p in 86)
Bumphus was world class 29-1
Blocker was 24-0 and only lost once between 82 and 90 (to Honeyghan) beateing Starlon in process
Hatcher only ever beaten on cuts taken out inside a round
Whadda reckon?
One other thing BIG H do you think that was one of the best ever performances from British fighter over someone rated as high as Curry ??
Arguement could be made for Turpin vs Robinson but what do you think ??
I'd go with Honeyghan, because SRR was not in the later years of his best. I'd put Hatton v Tszyu and Benn v McClelland in the mix too
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
Honeyghan was lucky to have faced a weight drained Curry. If not he wouldn't have won. A well Curry would of destroyed Lloyd. Which is why Honeyghan refused to rematch Curry at 154.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I really think Honeyghan in 86 would've beaten Starling and Breland (any version of either) I believe he is one of the greatest British fighters of all time, but I have never known a fighter to become so 'shot' so quickly. After the Vaca ight he was a shadow. His 'prime' literally only lasted a couple of fights and when he did fight Breland and Starling he was like a lamb to the slaughter. Not an excuse - Fact!
He destroyed p4p number 1 Curry (even ahead of Hagler on p4p in 86)
Bumphus was world class 29-1
Blocker was 24-0 and only lost once between 82 and 90 (to Honeyghan) beateing Starlon in process
Hatcher only ever beaten on cuts taken out inside a round
Whadda reckon?
One other thing BIG H do you think that was one of the best ever performances from British fighter over someone rated as high as Curry ??
Arguement could be made for Turpin vs Robinson but what do you think ??
I'd go with Honeyghan, because SRR was not in the later years of his best. I'd put Hatton v Tszyu and Benn v McClelland in the mix too
I disagree with you about Robinson. He was in his prime when he fought Randy but he wasn't at his best as he'd been partying around Europe with his dwarfs. :o
When Turpin beat Sugar Ray he was fighting a guy who hadn't load in over 8 years and 90 fights. Later on he would go on to lose fights on a regular basis. The 1948 - 1952 Robinson was the greatest fighting machine ever!
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Honeyghan was lucky to have faced a weight drained Curry. If not he wouldn't have won. A well Curry would of destroyed Lloyd. Which is why Honeyghan refused to rematch Curry at 154.
Yeah, you're right mate. And McCallum was lucky he fighting a 5' 10" Curry and not a 5' 11" Curry or Curry would have beaten him.
And Jacquot only beat Curry cos a man at ringside was wearing his beret at a jaunty angle and that distracted Don from the task at hand.
I'm sure you can think up excuses for all of Currys defeats, VD, but he got battered by the better man in AC in 86. The best Curry would never have beaten Honeyghan that night and no amount of whining from you will change that.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Honeyghan was lucky to have faced a weight drained Curry. If not he wouldn't have won. A well Curry would of destroyed Lloyd. Which is why Honeyghan refused to rematch Curry at 154.
Yeah, you're right mate. And McCallum was lucky he fighting a 5' 10" Curry and not a 5' 11" Curry or Curry would have beaten him.
And Jacquot only beat Curry cos a man at ringside was wearing his beret at a jaunty angle and that distracted Don from the task at hand.
I'm sure you can think up excuses for all of Currys defeats, VD, but he got battered by the better man in AC in 86. The best Curry would never have beaten Honeyghan that night and no amount of whining from you will change that.
Than why did Honeyghan refuse to rematch Curry at 154? There's no doubt a Curry rematch would of paid him more than what he got against Johnny Bumphus. But Honeyghan flat refused.
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It was surprising how both Curry and Honeyghan faded so fast what happened to the Curry that almost decapitated McCrory with one of the quickest left hooks i've ever seen and what happened to Honeyghan who gave such a masterclass on Curry ??
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Honeyghan was lucky to have faced a weight drained Curry. If not he wouldn't have won. A well Curry would of destroyed Lloyd. Which is why Honeyghan refused to rematch Curry at 154.
Yeah, you're right mate. And McCallum was lucky he fighting a 5' 10" Curry and not a 5' 11" Curry or Curry would have beaten him.
And Jacquot only beat Curry cos a man at ringside was wearing his beret at a jaunty angle and that distracted Don from the task at hand.
I'm sure you can think up excuses for all of Currys defeats, VD, but he got battered by the better man in AC in 86. The best Curry would never have beaten Honeyghan that night and no amount of whining from you will change that.
Than why did Honeyghan refuse to rematch Curry at 154? There's no doubt a Curry rematch would of paid him more than what he got against Johnny Bumphus. But Honeyghan flat refused.
VD
Do you have details of when LH turned down the rematch?
I've never heard about this. I'd appreciate your help. Thanks.
p.s. I love your abrasive style even though you do pick on new kids too much. ;)
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
It was surprising how both Curry and Honeyghan faded so fast what happened to the Curry that almost decapitated McCrory with one of the quickest left hooks i've ever seen and what happened to Honeyghan who gave such a masterclass on Curry ??
Very true indeed. People were SERIOUSLY talking about Curry dethroning the Marvelous One. Seems ridiculous nowadays.
Curry was such a great, wonderful fighter in his prime but the Honeyghan beating took a lot out of him. I know that some (VD) feel that Curry lost because he was weight drained but you also have to factor in he underestimated Lloyd. There was a lot to the build up in that fight. Honey was a tough Jamaican/South London boy who wasn't going to be denied that night. He also bet his purse on a win so you KNOW he was well up for it.
Lloyd had Curry's number just as Starling had Honeyghans number.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
It was surprising how both Curry and Honeyghan faded so fast what happened to the Curry that almost decapitated McCrory with one of the quickest left hooks i've ever seen and what happened to Honeyghan who gave such a masterclass on Curry ??
Very true indeed. People were SERIOUSLY talking about Curry dethroning the Marvelous One. Seems ridiculous nowadays.
Curry was such a great, wonderful fighter in his prime but the Honeyghan beating took a lot out of him. I know that some (VD) feel that Curry lost because he was weight drained but you also have to factor in he underestimated Lloyd. There was a lot to the build up in that fight. Honey was a tough Jamaican/South London boy who wasn't going to be denied that night. He also bet his purse on a win so you
KNOW he was well up for it.
Lloyd had Curry's number just as Starling had Honeyghans number.
Well said i agree cc.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
It was surprising how both Curry and Honeyghan faded so fast what happened to the Curry that almost decapitated McCrory with one of the quickest left hooks i've ever seen and what happened to Honeyghan who gave such a masterclass on Curry ??
Very true indeed. People were SERIOUSLY talking about Curry dethroning the Marvelous One. Seems ridiculous nowadays.
Curry was such a great, wonderful fighter in his prime but the Honeyghan beating took a lot out of him. I know that some (VD) feel that Curry lost because he was weight drained but you also have to factor in he underestimated Lloyd. There was a lot to the build up in that fight. Honey was a tough Jamaican/South London boy who wasn't going to be denied that night. He also bet his purse on a win so you
KNOW he was well up for it.
Lloyd had Curry's number just as Starling had Honeyghans number.
Well said i agree cc.
back at ya, bigdog....
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Honeyghan was lucky to have faced a weight drained Curry. If not he wouldn't have won. A well Curry would of destroyed Lloyd. Which is why Honeyghan refused to rematch Curry at 154.
Yeah, you're right mate. And McCallum was lucky he fighting a 5' 10" Curry and not a 5' 11" Curry or Curry would have beaten him.
And Jacquot only beat Curry cos a man at ringside was wearing his beret at a jaunty angle and that distracted Don from the task at hand.
I'm sure you can think up excuses for all of Currys defeats, VD, but he got battered by the better man in AC in 86. The best Curry would never have beaten Honeyghan that night and no amount of whining from you will change that.
Than why did Honeyghan refuse to rematch Curry at 154? There's no doubt a Curry rematch would of paid him more than what he got against Johnny Bumphus. But Honeyghan flat refused.
VD
Do you have details of when LH turned down the rematch?
I've never heard about this. I'd appreciate your help. Thanks.
p.s. I love your abrasive style even though you do pick on new kids too much. ;)
According to my deal with Saddo, I'm not allowed to put posters with less than 100 posts in there place. Once there over 100 there fair game. Plus I'm not picking on them. I'm just correcting the error of there ways. slk123 and Lacy are not new posters. There below mediocre, but not new.
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Honeyghan was lucky to have faced a weight drained Curry. If not he wouldn't have won. A well Curry would of destroyed Lloyd. Which is why Honeyghan refused to rematch Curry at 154.
Yeah, you're right mate. And McCallum was lucky he fighting a 5' 10" Curry and not a 5' 11" Curry or Curry would have beaten him.
And Jacquot only beat Curry cos a man at ringside was wearing his beret at a jaunty angle and that distracted Don from the task at hand.
I'm sure you can think up excuses for all of Currys defeats, VD, but he got battered by the better man in AC in 86. The best Curry would never have beaten Honeyghan that night and no amount of whining from you will change that.
Than why did Honeyghan refuse to rematch Curry at 154? There's no doubt a Curry rematch would of paid him more than what he got against Johnny Bumphus. But Honeyghan flat refused.
VD
Do you have details of when LH turned down the rematch?
I've never heard about this. I'd appreciate your help. Thanks.
p.s. I love your abrasive style even though you do pick on new kids too much. ;)
According to my deal with Saddo, I'm not allowed to put posters with less than 100 posts in there place. Once there over 100 there fair game. Plus I'm not picking on them. I'm just correcting the error of
there ways. slk123 and Lacy are not new posters. There below mediocre, but not new.
I apologize if I was wrong, VD. Have a cc.
By the way, you probably meant to write THEIR not THERE. Not that most people know nowadays....
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Honeyghan was lucky to have faced a weight drained Curry. If not he wouldn't have won. A well Curry would of destroyed Lloyd. Which is why Honeyghan refused to rematch Curry at 154.
Yeah, you're right mate. And McCallum was lucky he fighting a 5' 10" Curry and not a 5' 11" Curry or Curry would have beaten him.
And Jacquot only beat Curry cos a man at ringside was wearing his beret at a jaunty angle and that distracted Don from the task at hand.
I'm sure you can think up excuses for all of Currys defeats, VD, but he got battered by the better man in AC in 86. The best Curry would never have beaten Honeyghan that night and no amount of whining from you will change that.
Than why did Honeyghan refuse to rematch Curry at 154? There's no doubt a Curry rematch would of paid him more than what he got against Johnny Bumphus. But Honeyghan flat refused.
VD
Do you have details of when LH turned down the rematch?
I've never heard about this. I'd appreciate your help. Thanks.
p.s. I love your abrasive style even though you do pick on new kids too much. ;)
According to my deal with Saddo, I'm not allowed to put posters with less than 100 posts in there place. Once there over 100 there fair game. Plus I'm not picking on them. I'm just correcting the error of
there ways. slk123 and Lacy are not new posters. There below mediocre, but not new.
I apologize if I was wrong, VD. Have a cc.
By the way, you probably meant to write THEIR not THERE. Not that most people know nowadays....
Point still got made
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
Honeyghan injured is right hand blasting the mad dog in round one and the BBC commentators always mentioned it during his fights and Lloyd said it did play on his mind and thus effected his style of fighting. I believe the 86 version would have beaten both Breland and Starling but not a peak Curry he was something special. I could watch Curry fight all day his style was so efficient and effective.
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Honeyghan injured is right hand blasting the mad dog in round one and the BBC commentators always mentioned it during his fights and Lloyd said it did play on his mind and thus effected his style of fighting. I believe the 86 version would have beaten both Breland and Starling but not a peak Curry he was something special. I could watch Curry fight all day his style was so efficient and effective.
Lol - When was Curry peak then???
He was 25-0 and p4p number 1 when he fought Honeyghan ;)
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Re: Would 1986 Lloyd Honeyghan have beaten Mark Breland and Marlon Starling
When he unified the titles including beating Marlon Starling twice. It is just an opinion and Honeyghan beat the fighter that was put in front of him, so I would not expect him to say I will take it easy on you as you look to be very tight at the weight. Honeyghan ripped it from him and credit to him for doing that.
