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I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
Hatton was in no position to insist that Floyd fights at 140. I don't think the weight will be a problem for Hatton, he was just ill prepared against Colazzo and came in at 155. They will learns from that
PBF still wins though :(
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
What does that mean that PBF will not touch the WW division. He already has a belt. Hatton isn't a true WW but this is still an elite fight. He came up to the division and took a belt. I agree with you that Hatton will flee back to 140 once he loses, but this is a fight people want to see. And I can definitely see a showdown in the works once this fight happens with whoever wins Cotto/Mosley. I don't see Mayweather being afraid to fight either. And we both know that $$$ talks- it certainly pulled Mayweather out of 'retirement' to fight Hatton; it'll do the same in 6 months or so. The only WW I see being problematic for Mayweather is Paul Williams. Mayweather would have to do some serious work to get inside while avoiding those long, quick arms. And we've seen that Williams brings enough to throw around 100 punches a round. That does nicely to keep a guy off you when he doesn't like to get hit. If Williams can have at least 2 good defenses in the next year I can see Mayweather going after him if he gets past Hatton and the winner of Cotto/Mosley.
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
I'm sure Ricky will learn to live with the £10million quid "mistake" ;)
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
I dont agree that we all know Ricky cannot fight at Welterweight after all he has had one fight and yes he struggled but you cant judge him on one fight, we all have a bad day and his preperations for the Collazo fight where all wrong anyway. I think Hatton has shown balls agreeing to fight Mayweather (and in his own back yard) and shows that he going for the big fights now to cement his legacy (as well as his biggest payday).
I agree with BigH that Hatton is in no position to be telling Mayweather what weight to fight at as Mayweather is the pound for pound champ not Hatton.Also if Hatton had picked a different opponent ie Witter, Malagnaggi etc people would have said that Hatton is picking easy fights and not chasing the big ones!!
Plus if Hatton wins it has to put him near the top of the pound for pound list and if he loses (notice I say If) but fights like a champion (which he will) then there will still be other big fights out there for him.
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I don't believe ricky cant cut it at welter, il state once agin what iv repeated at least once a week since the collazo fight.
Ricky was an irresponsible and even arrogant lil prick before that fight.
He trained insufficiently, his diet amnd nutrition was cat and he totally under estimated a bona fide champ in Collazo.
Add those factors to Rickys inability to adapt to southpaws and u had a recipe for disaster. I reckon Hatton can indeed adjust to welter.
Bpxer harvey posted at the same time as me so i may be repeating his points, but too lazy to check
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I don't agree with you regarding the welter weight division Danny G.
I'd say 90% of people regard Floyd as the man at 147 lbs and I can't think of any other welterweight who has beaten better welterweight opposition than he has.
Floyd has wins over Baldomir, Judah and a 154 lbs Oscar.
Cotto, Margarito, Williams and Cintron's records don't bear any comparison with that.
Mosely has a steller record but we all know that Floyd will fight him or Cotto next anyways.
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Originally Posted by Boxerharvey
I dont agree that we all know Ricky cannot fight at Welterweight after all he has had one fight and yes he struggled but you cant judge him on one fight, we all have a bad day and his preperations for the Collazo fight where all wrong anyway. I think Hatton has shown balls agreeing to fight Mayweather (and in his own back yard) and shows that he going for the big fights now to cement his legacy (as well as his biggest payday).
I agree with BigH that Hatton is in no position to be telling Mayweather what weight to fight at as Mayweather is the pound for pound champ not Hatton.Also if Hatton had picked a different opponent ie Witter, Malagnaggi etc people would have said that Hatton is picking easy fights and not chasing the big ones!!
Plus if Hatton wins it has to put him near the top of the pound for pound list and if he loses (notice I say If) but fights like a champion (which he will) then there will still be other big fights out there for him.
Hatton struggled because Collazo was a southpaw....no more no less. Collazo was also naturally bigger and stronger.....mayweather isnt. Therefore Hatton's previous fight at 147 doesn't really have any bearing on this fight especially when Hatton will only weight about 147 come fight night.
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.
Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.
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Ricky's not making a mistake; he's doing what he's supposed to do as a fighter- fight the best. If he didn't fight Floyd everyone would say he's a p#ssy the rest of his career; now that he's fighting him people are saying he's an idiot for taking the fight. Which is it??? Going to be the richest idiot I ever heard of. Almost no doubt he'll lose this fight, but when is he going to get some props for having the brass balls to get in with one of the greatest ever, and a bigger man at that who has fought and beat everyone in front of him??? Win or {most likely} lose, he's got my respect for trying. This is what boxing needs right now... and in the future.
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Agreed Hatton had to make the fight he had no bigger challenge and as has been said he can look back to his bank account and say he lost to the current best p4p fighter. He cannot loose as he is expected to loose but would have preferred Mayweather to have fought Mosley, Cotto and then Hatton, but he chose the easier option which is commercially the sensible thing to do but so far adds little to his legacy and claim to be the greatest fighter ever. We are all still waiting for that.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.
Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.
Baldomir was a flash in the pan. Tough chinned, but nothing more than a jouneyman who took his chance at the right moment.
If he makes it back to the top then I will eat my socks.
I do think Hatton is gonna get it right against Mayweather and we are in for a ballsy close fight. Collazo is a poor yardstick for anyone. Every top fighter has a bad day at the office. Mayweather had a similar fight first time out with Castillo after all.
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.
Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.
Baldomir was a flash in the pan. Tough chinned, but nothing more than a jouneyman who took his chance at the right moment.
If he makes it back to the top then I will eat my socks.
I do think Hatton is gonna get it right against Mayweather and we are in for a ballsy close fight. Collazo is a poor yardstick for anyone. Every top fighter has a bad day at the office. Mayweather had a similar fight first time out with Castillo after all.
Still doesn't change the fact he was Welterweight champion of the world also having 2 impressive victorys over Gatti and Judah tell me this Miles would you have been happy with him avoiding the fight ?? the fight needed to happen simple as.
Mayweather had injury to his shoulder in first Castillo fight.
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.
Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.
Baldomir was a flash in the pan. Tough chinned, but nothing more than a jouneyman who took his chance at the right moment.
If he makes it back to the top then I will eat my socks.
I do think Hatton is gonna get it right against Mayweather and we are in for a ballsy close fight. Collazo is a poor yardstick for anyone. Every top fighter has a bad day at the office. Mayweather had a similar fight first time out with Castillo after all.
Mayweather had a bad day at the office against Castillo. Than he gave his word to Castillo that they would rematch and kept it. Hatton had his bad day against Collazo. Says he would rematch Collazo. Than breaks his word. I think Hatton knew deep in his heart that he really lost to Collazo and can't really beat him
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
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The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
Yeah he is
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.
Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.
Baldomir was a flash in the pan. Tough chinned, but nothing more than a jouneyman who took his chance at the right moment.
If he makes it back to the top then I will eat my socks.
I do think Hatton is gonna get it right against Mayweather and we are in for a ballsy close fight. Collazo is a poor yardstick for anyone. Every top fighter has a bad day at the office. Mayweather had a similar fight first time out with Castillo after all.
Mayweather had a bad day at the office against Castillo. Than he gave his word to Castillo that they would rematch and kept it. Hatton had his bad day against Collazo. Says he would rematch Collazo. Than breaks his word. I think Hatton knew deep in his heart that he really lost to Collazo and can't really beat him
Good points :coolclick:
I do think Hatton won that fight though. He did back out of his promise to rematch Collazo. No denying that, but I do think he would beat Collazo in a rematch.
Still, no denying that Hatton has balls for stepping up and facing the worlds best in a weight that many argue is wrong for him. I think the weight will suit him just fine this time out however.
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Re: I really like Hatton but I think he is blowing it.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
Yeah he is
You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?
Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
You are saying Mayweather won't touch elite Welterweights if he beats Hatton ?? i don't believe that for a second Hatton was in no position to make demands if he wants that p4p number 1 spot he has to agree to Mayweather's terms and really and truthfully i think last time Hatton fought at Welterweight was due to him not properly getting used to the weight.
Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
Was Carlos not the Welterweight champion of the world didn't he also beat Judah and Gatti ?? so you would of been happy if he would of avoided the fight with Baldomir ?? yea right whatever Danny you would be first one saying he is ducking Baldomir if Mayweather hadn't of fought him.
Baldomir was a flash in the pan. Tough chinned, but nothing more than a jouneyman who took his chance at the right moment.
If he makes it back to the top then I will eat my socks.
I do think Hatton is gonna get it right against Mayweather and we are in for a ballsy close fight. Collazo is a poor yardstick for anyone. Every top fighter has a bad day at the office. Mayweather had a similar fight first time out with Castillo after all.
Still doesn't change the fact he was Welterweight champion of the world also having 2 impressive victorys over Gatti and Judah tell me this Miles would you have been happy with him avoiding the fight ?? the fight needed to happen simple as.
Mayweather had injury to his shoulder in first Castillo fight.
I dont think I would call not fighting Baldomir "avoiding" him. I just think and have always thought there were better fighters in the division. Beating Baldomir hasnt cemented Mayweather in any way, shape nor form. Fighting Judah (who just lost to Baldy) and then fighting Baldy himself. Well, it hardly seems Mayweather was taking any real risks by fighting Baldomir. There were bigger fish to fry.
And Hatton came into the Collazo fight as Ricky fatton. Forget the excuses for poor showings. I dont care for them.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
Yeah he is
You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?
Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......
Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
Yeah he is
You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?
Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......
Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.
1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.
2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.
3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. Fuck knows where you've got that from :o
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
Yeah he is
You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?
Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......
Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.
1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.
2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.
3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. Fuck knows where you've got that from :o
1, That's no excuse for fighting some of the garbage he's fought
2, Floyd's talent seems to make every fight a gimmie
3, Since you, Memphis and Big H are all romantically link. I tend to get you guys post confused. :splurt:
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
Yeah he is
You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?
Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......
Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.
1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.
2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.
3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. F*** knows where you've got that from :o
1, That's no excuse for fighting some of the garbage he's fought
2, Floyd's talent seems to make every fight a gimmie
3, Since you, Memphis and Big H are all romantically link. I tend to get you guys post confused. :splurt:
Your first point fails to observe the number of easy fights Floyd had on his way up to 147 and beyond. His record is worthy of serious critisism in recent years.
Hatton has beaten an old Castillo and still P4P Kostya in the past 2 years. Floyd has beaten an old inactive Oscar and a Judah fresh off a loss against Baldomir.
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The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
The Baldomir fight shouldn't be held against Floyd, but he was lucky to find himself in a position to make a "meaningful" fight with a top class plodder. He would of never been facing him if Zab hadn't blown it.
I'm reading this and I'm thinking, damn maybe I was wrong. Fenster ain't shot after all.
Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise.
Yeah he is
You thought that plodder had a chance against Floyd?
Hmm..as it goes that doesn't really surprise me.......
Baldomir was stiffer competition than Urango, Maussa, Stewart, Olivera and the rest of the bums Hatton has faced. Not only that Baldomir earned his shot by beating the undisputed champion. He was a legit champion who many stated (yourself included) that he would be to big for Mayweather.
1) Hatton aint never been the P4P best fighter in the world. Those names aren't bad for him.
2) I agree Baldomir earned his shot. Floyd was lucky to have a "gimme" for a "meaningful" fight.
3) Never in a bazillion years did I give that plodder a hope in hells against Floyd. F*** knows where you've got that from :o
1, That's no excuse for fighting some of the garbage he's fought
2, Floyd's talent seems to make every fight a gimmie
3, Since you, Memphis and Big H are all romantically link. I tend to get you guys post confused. :splurt:
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We will see what Floyd does after this fight,presuming he wins. If he turns down the winner of Cotto Mosley,he will be ducking them. There is no other excuse. The winner of that fight will become the best WW in the world imo.
Cotto's resume would look like this: Urkal,Judah,Quintana,Mosley(and he's only 26/27 and will be at WW for years to come)
Mosley-Cotto,Oscar(those 2 names alone would seal it for him) but also,Collazo and a few other decent fighters.
Mayweather-Judah,Mitchell,Baldo(one of the worst champs ever,no disrespect) and maybe Hatton who isn't top 10 at WW.
"Baldomir is a decent fighter, wasn't in the slighest bit dangerous and shouldn't be trumpeted as an impressive win for the P4P best fighter in the world, silly to make out otherwise."- Fenster
Could not have said it better myself.
Sure Floyd had to take this fight but that was at 140 primarily. If he didn't take the Hatton fight now,no-one would have said anything,it came as a surprise that he was taking the fight especially when there are so many live fighters at 147.
Like I siad,what happens after this fight is most important and probably going to define alot of legacies.
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Why did Ricky agree to fight PBF at Welter Weight?
We all know Ricky can not cut it at Welter Weight.
Is it just about the money for Ricky?
Ricky should have insisted Floyd fight him at 140.
Not only will big headed Floyd run around telling everyone he beat the best Welter Weight (LIE) but he will also run around saying he beat the best Light Welter Weight.
We know who the true Welter Weights are and Hatton is not one of them.
What is Ricky going to do when he loses to Floyd?
Run back down to Light Welter Weight again. For sure.
I told everyone before and I will tell everyone again, Floyd will not touch the Welter Weight Division. Not now, not ever. Baldomir was caca with a belt with 13 knock outs. Lost 11 has 6 draws and was knocked out once.
I know some of you are having the woll pulled over your eyes. NOT ME.
Wake up!
Sorry folks but I think Little Ricky is making a big mistake here.
>:mad
Oh Baldomir beat the man of the welterweight division(Zab judah) for htat title, when floyd fought judah he was bashed for not fighting baldomir, when he fought baldomir he was bashed for not fighting hatton now he's fighting hatton and people give hatton excuses already.
Where were your excuses when Floyd was fighting Oscar at 154 when it obviously was out of his weight range?? No one was giving Floyd the "Why is this fight at 154 its to Oscar's advantage" All i heard was "Oscar is gonna knock him out yeah! Floyd will get beat, perfect for Oscar! Oscar will expose mayweather for how overrated he is"
So why does Hatton get excuses now?
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its funny reading the threads it makes you lose the big picture of what is really happening here...
i hate Mayweather but he is an outstanding boxer NO QUESTION... But as a man he is a total toss pot.
but i gave him full credit when he took on ODL a very very brave gamble that paid off bigtime and he deserves credit for that....
the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.
maybe because he sees the bigger PROMOTION picture ;)
But this is a closer fight than you guys think... it is there for Ricky to win of that i have no doubt and with all the stuff going on at the media tour Hatton will be 100% ready... more ready than he has ever been and that is thanks to Floyd.
but gettin back to the post from Danny G... Ricky is in a no lose situation.... if he loses we he has lost to the best boxer around so no shame there and can come back to the UK and have a mega money fight with Witter and if he wins against Floyd hes got another mega fight with the winner of Mosley Cotto.
so he will retire a rich man regardless with no shame in what he has achived for a UK fighter ;)
Bernard Hopkins said it best at the NY press conference....
Golden Boy East President Bernard Hopkins spoke highly of the British Bulldog, “I have got to respect a guy like Ricky Hatton, a fighter that comes to the United States that had to travel across the water to reach his destiny of being a champion. Trust me, a lot of fighters don’t want any part of that, for Ricky Hatton to leave Manchester England, you can’t get Joe Calzaghe to come anywhere near the states unless he is coming to New York to visit HBO.”
Hopkins continued to praise Hatton for coming to fight in America , “We represent the bigger market, we represent who is on the front cover on every sports boxing magazine and they accomplish greatness like Floyd has, like myself, like Oscar and Ricky Hatton. To come here and say I will take on the best and I’m going to leave it up to my ability and my faith that I am going to win. I respect that person.”
Totally agree with Hopkins...But yet Ricky gets slated for taking easy fights and when he dosnt... KT, Castillo and now Mayweather he still gets slated.
so for me the question is, is it Ricky or his fans they hate ??? ??? ???
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its funny reading the threads it makes you lose the big picture of what is really happening here...
i hate Mayweather but he is an outstanding boxer NO QUESTION... But as a man he is a total toss pot.
but i gave him full credit when he took on ODL a very very brave gamble that paid off bigtime and he deserves credit for that....
the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.
maybe because he sees the bigger PROMOTION picture ;)
But this is a closer fight than you guys think... it is there for Ricky to win of that i have no doubt and with all the stuff going on at the media tour Hatton will be 100% ready... more ready than he has ever been and that is thanks to Floyd.
but gettin back to the post from Danny G... Ricky is in a no lose situation.... if he loses we he has lost to the best boxer around so no shame there and can come back to the UK and have a mega money fight with Witter and if he wins against Floyd hes got another mega fight with the winner of Mosley Cotto.
so he will retire a rich man regardless with no shame in what he has achived for a UK fighter ;)
Bernard Hopkins said it best at the NY press conference....
Golden Boy East President Bernard Hopkins spoke highly of the British Bulldog, “I have got to respect a guy like Ricky Hatton, a fighter that comes to the United States that had to travel across the water to reach his destiny of being a champion. Trust me, a lot of fighters don’t want any part of that, for Ricky Hatton to leave Manchester England, you can’t get Joe Calzaghe to come anywhere near the states unless he is coming to New York to visit HBO.”
Hopkins continued to praise Hatton for coming to fight in America , “We represent the bigger market, we represent who is on the front cover on every sports boxing magazine and they accomplish greatness like Floyd has, like myself, like Oscar and Ricky Hatton. To come here and say I will take on the best and I’m going to leave it up to my ability and my faith that I am going to win. I respect that person.”
Totally agree with Hopkins...But yet Ricky gets slated for taking easy fights and when he dosnt... KT, Castillo and now Mayweather he still gets slated.
so for me the question is, is it Ricky or his fans they hate ??? ??? ???
I am not slating Ricky but...
I remember when he was going to fight Cotto and Ricky moved up in weight.
Cotto and Ricky were going to fight at 140 but then Cotto moved up and Ricky moved down and the idea of the fight began to fall apart. I do remember however what the people were saying.
Who wins?
If Cotto faught Ricky at 140, many gave the fight to Ricky
If Cotto faught Ricky at 147, many said Cotto would take it.
That was basicly what everyone was saying including myself.
All I was saying is that Ricky should have tried to campaign more and try to get a fight against PBF at 140. I give Ricky a better chance at 140 against anyone in boxing including fighting PBF.
At just 7 pounds more, I don't give Ricky the advantage anymore.
Floyd has already shown us that if he wants, he can just run all night and still get the decision. It is going be very long night for Ricky. I hope he does not get tired of trying to catch Floyd. It will be a boring fight unless Floyd beats that azz like he said he was going to do to Oscar, and Baldo.
I guess at the end of the day money talks.
But I wanted to see Ricky win and be wealthy. I guess we can't have the best of both worlds as fans.
Both fighters will be fighting out of their element true, but who is better at fighting out of their own element than PBF? NO ONE!
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I'm sure Ricky will learn to live with the £10million quid "mistake" ;)
In a nutshell.... ;)
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its funny reading the threads it makes you lose the big picture of what is really happening here...
i hate Mayweather but he is an outstanding boxer NO QUESTION... But as a man he is a total toss pot.
but i gave him full credit when he took on ODL a very very brave gamble that paid off bigtime and he deserves credit for that....
the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.
maybe because he sees the bigger PROMOTION picture ;)
But this is a closer fight than you guys think... it is there for Ricky to win of that i have no doubt and with all the stuff going on at the media tour Hatton will be 100% ready... more ready than he has ever been and that is thanks to Floyd.
but gettin back to the post from Danny G... Ricky is in a no lose situation.... if he loses we he has lost to the best boxer around so no shame there and can come back to the UK and have a mega money fight with Witter and if he wins against Floyd hes got another mega fight with the winner of Mosley Cotto.
so he will retire a rich man regardless with no shame in what he has achived for a UK fighter ;)
Bernard Hopkins said it best at the NY press conference....
Golden Boy East President Bernard Hopkins spoke highly of the British Bulldog, “I have got to respect a guy like Ricky Hatton, a fighter that comes to the United States that had to travel across the water to reach his destiny of being a champion. Trust me, a lot of fighters don’t want any part of that, for Ricky Hatton to leave Manchester England, you can’t get Joe Calzaghe to come anywhere near the states unless he is coming to New York to visit HBO.”
Hopkins continued to praise Hatton for coming to fight in America , “We represent the bigger market, we represent who is on the front cover on every sports boxing magazine and they accomplish greatness like Floyd has, like myself, like Oscar and Ricky Hatton. To come here and say I will take on the best and I’m going to leave it up to my ability and my faith that I am going to win. I respect that person.”
Totally agree with Hopkins...But yet Ricky gets slated for taking easy fights and when he dosnt... KT, Castillo and now Mayweather he still gets slated.
so for me the question is, is it Ricky or his fans they hate ??? ??? ???
the above is me speaking as a boxing fan... but the buisness brain i have tells makes me wonder if ODL the "PROMOTER" not a FIGHTER anymore held back... he conected and hurt Mayweather with the jab early in there fight then decided not to throw it...WHY.
Simple really Oscar faded in later stages like he has in the past plus he was getting countered and was rocked twice.
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I don't really get all this legacy bashing on either side.
It's a FACT that BOTH Mayweather and Hatton have beaten some of the best guys in the world.
They both have impressive records. NOBODY has a better record than Floyd that's why he's NUMBER 1 and NO LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT has a better record than Ricky Hatton that's why he's regarded as the number 1 at 140 lbs.
This is a big win for either fighter and a legitimate opponent for either.
Those criticising Floyd for fighting Baldimor when he was undisputed champ who else was he supposed to fight? Mosely wasn't at 147 then, Oscar wasn't ready, Cotto hasn't reached his potential yet and Margarito was unproven, and in retrospect not the monstrous challenge people thought he was anyway.
Those criticising Ricky who else could he have fought? Cotto that's it. He's beaten the best out there in Kosta Tszyu and now he's going after Floyd.
Ricky is far and away the most ambitious British boxer since Lennox Lewis so why knock him?
Cmon people give both of them their props :soapbox:
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I don't really get all this legacy bashing on either side.
It's a FACT that BOTH Mayweather and Hatton have beaten some of the best guys in the world.
They both have impressive records. NOBODY has a better record than Floyd that's why he's NUMBER 1 and NO LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT has a better record than Ricky Hatton that's why he's regarded as the number 1 at 140 lbs.
This is a big win for either fighter and a legitimate opponent for either.
Those criticising Floyd for fighting Baldimor when he was undisputed champ who else was he supposed to fight? Mosely wasn't at 147 then, Oscar wasn't ready, Cotto hasn't reached his potential yet and Margarito was unproven, and in retrospect not the monstrous challenge people thought he was anyway.
Those criticising Ricky who else could he have fought? Cotto that's it. He's beaten the best out there in Kosta Tszyu and now he's going after Floyd.
Ricky is far and away the most ambitious British boxer since Lennox Lewis so why knock him?
Cmon people give both of them their props :soapbox:
Well said :coolclick:
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I don't really get all this legacy bashing on either side.
It's a FACT that BOTH Mayweather and Hatton have beaten some of the best guys in the world.
They both have impressive records. NOBODY has a better record than Floyd that's why he's NUMBER 1 and NO LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT has a better record than Ricky Hatton that's why he's regarded as the number 1 at 140 lbs.
This is a big win for either fighter and a legitimate opponent for either.
Those criticising Floyd for fighting Baldimor when he was undisputed champ who else was he supposed to fight? Mosely wasn't at 147 then, Oscar wasn't ready, Cotto hasn't reached his potential yet and Margarito was unproven, and in retrospect not the monstrous challenge people thought he was anyway.
Those criticising Ricky who else could he have fought? Cotto that's it. He's beaten the best out there in Kosta Tszyu and now he's going after Floyd.
Ricky is far and away the most ambitious British boxer since Lennox Lewis so why knock him?
Cmon people give both of them their props :soapbox:
Well said :coolclick:
Cheers buddy I think there are too many people here who take a very shortsighted view of the fightgame.
The truly big fights imo shouldn't happen too quickly. I'm glad we havn't seen Mayweather Hatton or Cotto against either Mayweather or Hatton before now becuase it builds up the supsense.
Floyd is at a point in his career where's he top of the tree and wants the megafights. He's not scared of a single fighter out there but he wants to fight the best at the best time for the most money.
It would have been foolish to fight Cotto or Margarito instead of Baldimor. Baldimor was the undipsuted champ, and Cotto and Margarito both represents 'potential' future mega paydays. As it panned out Margarito got exposed so a win for Floyd would have done nothing for his legacy whilst Cotto is coming along nicely.
The winner of Cotto Mosely will be an extrememly attractive fight for both Floyd financially and boxing fans across the world.
Like most things in life, it's much better to wait. :)
Oh and cc returned.
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I don't really get all this legacy bashing on either side.
It's a FACT that BOTH Mayweather and Hatton have beaten some of the best guys in the world.
They both have impressive records. NOBODY has a better record than Floyd that's why he's NUMBER 1 and NO LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT has a better record than Ricky Hatton that's why he's regarded as the number 1 at 140 lbs.
This is a big win for either fighter and a legitimate opponent for either.
Those criticising Floyd for fighting Baldimor when he was undisputed champ who else was he supposed to fight? Mosely wasn't at 147 then, Oscar wasn't ready, Cotto hasn't reached his potential yet and Margarito was unproven, and in retrospect not the monstrous challenge people thought he was anyway.
Those criticising Ricky who else could he have fought? Cotto that's it. He's beaten the best out there in Kosta Tszyu and now he's going after Floyd.
Ricky is far and away the most ambitious British boxer since Lennox Lewis so why knock him?
Cmon people give both of them their props :soapbox:
Well said :coolclick:
Cheers buddy I think there are too many people here who take a very shortsighted view of the fightgame.
The truly big fights imo shouldn't happen too quickly. I'm glad we havn't seen Mayweather Hatton or Cotto against either Mayweather or Hatton before now becuase it builds up the supsense.
Floyd is at a point in his career where's he top of the tree and wants the megafights. He's not scared of a single fighter out there but he wants to fight the best at the best time for the most money.
It would have been foolish to fight Cotto or Margarito instead of Baldimor. Baldimor was the undipsuted champ, and Cotto and Margarito both represents 'potential' future mega paydays. As it panned out Margarito got exposed so a win for Floyd would have done nothing for his legacy whilst Cotto is coming along nicely.
The winner of Cotto Mosely will be an extrememly attractive fight for both Floyd financially and boxing fans across the world.
Like most things in life, it's much better to wait. :)
Oh and cc returned.
Tony got exposed?
You are using the word exposed as if he had got knocked the phuck out in the first round.
He went 12 rounds with a very live opponent who throws a million punches. A decent smart young fighter he is that Paul Williams. He will be trouble for anyone including Floyd.
He is a man who can beat you with pitter patter punches. I still say Tony was not exposed and you are using that term too loosely around here now.
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I don't really get all this legacy bashing on either side.
It's a FACT that BOTH Mayweather and Hatton have beaten some of the best guys in the world.
They both have impressive records. NOBODY has a better record than Floyd that's why he's NUMBER 1 and NO LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT has a better record than Ricky Hatton that's why he's regarded as the number 1 at 140 lbs.
This is a big win for either fighter and a legitimate opponent for either.
Those criticising Floyd for fighting Baldimor when he was undisputed champ who else was he supposed to fight? Mosely wasn't at 147 then, Oscar wasn't ready, Cotto hasn't reached his potential yet and Margarito was unproven, and in retrospect not the monstrous challenge people thought he was anyway.
Those criticising Ricky who else could he have fought? Cotto that's it. He's beaten the best out there in Kosta Tszyu and now he's going after Floyd.
Ricky is far and away the most ambitious British boxer since Lennox Lewis so why knock him?
Cmon people give both of them their props :soapbox:
Well said :coolclick:
Cheers buddy I think there are too many people here who take a very shortsighted view of the fightgame.
The truly big fights imo shouldn't happen too quickly. I'm glad we havn't seen Mayweather Hatton or Cotto against either Mayweather or Hatton before now becuase it builds up the supsense.
Floyd is at a point in his career where's he top of the tree and wants the megafights. He's not scared of a single fighter out there but he wants to fight the best at the best time for the most money.
It would have been foolish to fight Cotto or Margarito instead of Baldimor. Baldimor was the undipsuted champ, and Cotto and Margarito both represents 'potential' future mega paydays. As it panned out Margarito got exposed so a win for Floyd would have done nothing for his legacy whilst Cotto is coming along nicely.
The winner of Cotto Mosely will be an extrememly attractive fight for both Floyd financially and boxing fans across the world.
Like most things in life, it's much better to wait. :)
Oh and cc returned.
Tony got exposed?
You are using the word exposed as if he had got knocked the phuck out in the first round.
He went 12 rounds with a very live opponent who throws a million punches. A decent smart young fighter he is that Paul Williams. He will be trouble for anyone including Floyd.
He is a man who can beat you with pitter patter punches. I still say Tony was not exposed and you are using that term too loosely around here now.
Don't got me wrong I'm a Margarito fan...still but the fact is he did get proven to be not the monster opponent who Floyd was ducking. There is no doubt in my mind that Floyd would have beaten Margarito easier than Williams did but that would have proven nothing if he did as people would just have said Margarito was overrated.
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You're using the term exposed far far too loosely here Bilbo. A UD loss to a guy whothrows over 1,000 punches is not a being exposed. Exposed is a beatdown. Exposed is a knockout loss. 2 115-113 scores is not exposed. Secondly,I don't see anyone else willing to fight Williams except Clottey and Kermit. Thirdly, Margarito ripped off someone's ears with his fists,I'm pretty sure that makes him some sort of monster. Finally,Mayweather may very well have been hot favourite v Tony but just because Tony lost to PW does not have ANY relation to Mayweather v Tony. At all. In any way shape or form.
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No Danny i wasnt pointing the slating tag on you mate ;)
But you should be happy though....Cotto gets a fight with Mosley and that is as big of a task as fighting Mayweather if not bigger ;)
so if he can come through that he will get the winner of this fight... great time to be a boxing fan 8)
Bang on Bilbo there are slants on both records depending on what fence you sit on... but there the best around and are fighting each other so i'm with you on all the moaning i just cant understand it ???
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Simple really Oscar faded in later stages like he has in the past.
Were talking about a jab ??? ??? ???... guess you just dont understand what i'm saying here not to worry mate ;)
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You're using the term exposed far far too loosely here Bilbo. A UD loss to a guy whothrows over 1,000 punches is not a being exposed. Exposed is a beatdown. Exposed is a knockout loss. 2 115-113 scores is not exposed. Secondly,I don't see anyone else willing to fight Williams except Clottey and Kermit. Thirdly, Margarito ripped off someone's ears with his fists,I'm pretty sure that makes him some sort of monster. Finally,Mayweather may very well have been hot favourite v Tony but just because Tony lost to PW does not have ANY relation to Mayweather v Tony. At all. In any way shape or form.
Ah mate when else have I used the word exposed?
I'm not saying that he did get beat down but he WAS exposed in as much as being this super threat to Floyd Mayweather. All the Floyd haters were saying for years that Floyd is was ducking him, too scared to fight him and then he goes and loses his title convincingly to Paul Williams.
And by the way I remember you repeatedly saying that Oscar De La Hoya got convincingly beat by Floyd Mayweather as if it was just a walk in the park but I'd imagine that 90% of unbiased observers would say the Oscar Floyd fight was far closer than Margarito Williams.
Oscar was in the fight with Floyd upto the final round, and only lost a split decision. Margarito basically needed a KO to win after round 8. ;)
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You're using the term exposed far far too loosely here Bilbo. A UD loss to a guy whothrows over 1,000 punches is not a being exposed. Exposed is a beatdown. Exposed is a knockout loss. 2 115-113 scores is not exposed. Secondly,I don't see anyone else willing to fight Williams except Clottey and Kermit. Thirdly, Margarito ripped off someone's ears with his fists,I'm pretty sure that makes him some sort of monster. Finally,Mayweather may very well have been hot favourite v Tony but just because Tony lost to PW does not have ANY relation to Mayweather v Tony. At all. In any way shape or form.
Ah mate when else have I used the word exposed?
I'm not saying that he did get beat down but he WAS exposed in as much as being this super threat to Floyd Mayweather. All the Floyd haters were saying for years that Floyd is was ducking him, too scared to fight him and then he goes and loses his title convincingly to Paul Williams.
And by the way I remember you repeatedly saying that Oscar De La Hoya got convincingly beat by Floyd Mayweather as if it was just a walk in the park but I'd imagine that 90% of unbiased observers would say the Oscar Floyd fight was far closer than Margarito Williams.
Oscar was in the fight with Floyd upto the final round, and only lost a split decision. Margarito basically needed a KO to win after round 8. ;)
Like I said,just because Williams beat him,doens't make sense to make an anaology with Mayweather. Is Mayweather a 6 foot plus southpaw who throws 1,000 punches and has one of the longest reaches a WW has ever had?? Not understanding the analogy.
And no,90% of observers wouldn't think the Floyd fight was closer. I don't recall anyone having the fight for Oscar,5 or 6 ringside judges had the fight either for Margarito or 115-113 Mayweather. I posted the ringside scorecards for both fights myself.
I had Margarito fight 115-113 for PW and Floyd 116-112. Difference...Margarito was comingon strong and had the biggest round of the fight. Mayweather rocked Oscar twice and won the last 4 rounds ina row easily. So again,I'm not understanding where you are going with that point?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
You're using the term exposed far far too loosely here Bilbo. A UD loss to a guy whothrows over 1,000 punches is not a being exposed. Exposed is a beatdown. Exposed is a knockout loss. 2 115-113 scores is not exposed. Secondly,I don't see anyone else willing to fight Williams except Clottey and Kermit. Thirdly, Margarito ripped off someone's ears with his fists,I'm pretty sure that makes him some sort of monster. Finally,Mayweather may very well have been hot favourite v Tony but just because Tony lost to PW does not have ANY relation to Mayweather v Tony. At all. In any way shape or form.
Ah mate when else have I used the word exposed?
I'm not saying that he did get beat down but he WAS exposed in as much as being this super threat to Floyd Mayweather. All the Floyd haters were saying for years that Floyd is was ducking him, too scared to fight him and then he goes and loses his title convincingly to Paul Williams.
And by the way I remember you repeatedly saying that Oscar De La Hoya got convincingly beat by Floyd Mayweather as if it was just a walk in the park but I'd imagine that 90% of unbiased observers would say the Oscar Floyd fight was far closer than Margarito Williams.
Oscar was in the fight with Floyd upto the final round, and only lost a split decision. Margarito basically needed a KO to win after round 8. ;)
Like I said,just because Williams beat him,doens't make sense to make an anaology with Mayweather. Is Mayweather a 6 foot plus southpaw who throws 1,000 punches and has one of the longest reaches a WW has ever had?? Not understanding the analogy.
And no,90% of observers wouldn't think the Floyd fight was closer. I don't recall anyone having the fight for Oscar,5 or 6 ringside judges had the fight either for Margarito or 115-113 Mayweather. I posted the ringside scorecards for both fights myself.
I had Margarito fight 115-113 for PW and Floyd 116-112. Difference...Margarito was comingon strong and had the biggest round of the fight. Mayweather rocked Oscar twice and won the last 4 rounds ina row easily. So again,I'm not understanding where you are going with that point?
You're getting carried away buddy I'm not knocking your boy ;)
I'm just answering those critics who always say Floyd ducked Margarito because he was scared to fight him. In the light of his imo rather tame surrender of his title against Williams the hype bubble around him being the guy to beat Floyd has been well and truly burst.
I'm still a fan of Margarito, I like his style and think he's one of the most exciting fighters to watch but Floyd didn't duck him and fighting the linear champion in Baldomir was the correct business move.
