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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Nice to see that Zab is back on the path to greatness.....
Doesn't Margarito have a fight right around that time without a named opponent yet?
Judah was never on the path to greatness and will fail again when he meets any of the top Welterweights Judah has never once in his career beaten a puncher who is even considered good.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Cory Spinks is borderline elite, even more so after his controversial decision loss to middleweight king Jermain Taylor. Zab looked damn good against Spinks in the rematch. Spinks is far from a puncher, but has exceptional skills......................... something that Margarito seriously lacks.
For the record, nobody really considers Margarito good anymore. His biggest win is over Clottey, who Baldomir beat. Zab on the other hand, was giving Cotto (a far superior fighter to Margarito) a serious run for his money until Cotto unleashed a flurry of lowblows and elbows like they were some kind of super combinations.
If Zab was that effective against Dirty Cotto, imagine what he would do to Journeyman Margarito.....
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Zab can't keep a straight head for more than 5 or so rounds. Shame because his skills are without doubt VERY good.
Well whatever you think Frozen Cotto still unleashed a one sided beating on Judah and not due to the low blows due to Judah being mentally weak and not being able to deal with the pressure he always starts well in his fights thats why i expected Cotto to be wobbled early i also predicted Cotto to come on strong and stop him in the 10th round when Judah starts to fade.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
For the record, nobody really considers Margarito good anymore. His biggest win is over Clottey, who Baldomir beat.
Clottey was well ahead in the fight with Baldomir but he got dq in the 11th he would of won the fight comfortably if he didn't get himself dq and imo i believe Clottey would of beat Margarito if it wouldn't of been for the injury.
Damn dude, everytime you mention Zab you whine about low blows from Cotto. A real champion and great fighter overcomes that b.s., and he's been known to toss around some unclean punches himself, which I don't hear you talk about. Anywhere after the 4th round I don't think his neuro-receptors are getting signals from his brain and his medulla oblongata is obviously shot to pieces. I do think he could definately be on a path to greatness on "Dancing With the Stars", as he showed massive skills in that department with Kostya. Margarito will beat him silly. Can't wait to see what bum he's fighting now ::**
Yeah, I even saw him looking into the crowd not even looking at his opponent this last fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Yeah Frozen,your posts are starting to suck balls more than usual. It's the same old " margarito is a journeyman,Cotto cheated,Zab is great BS" everytime.... ::** ::** ::** ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
And you obviously have not seen the Baldo-Clottey fight and just checked boxrec. I had the fight 7-3 for Joshua before he was DQED...
Frozen Solid is and idiot. Now he is saying that it was Cotto who was trying to use his elbows in that fight? What fight was he watching? I guess he did not hear Arthur Mercante Jr. tell Zab to watch his elbows over and over again. I bet he did not hear Arthur Mercante Jr. Tell Zab to watch his elbows over and over again when Zab faced Baldomir either. Frozen is about as silly as Zab Judah is. Zab caused the head butt the lead to his eye being cut and then when Zab was in his corner he said to his dad: "They are cheating me" He head butted me" and his silly father said: "See I told you he was going to head butt you. For the record, Zab caused both head butts that led to both men being cut in that fight. Cotto never cried, biatched or moaned when Zab head butted him or when Zab hit him low. Zab is a cha cha who got served and beat at his own game. I guess Frozen also forgot he elbowed Ruben Galvan which led to a no contest. I guess Frozen also missed when Bill Clancy warned Zab to watch those elbows when he fought that cab driver Edwin Vazquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I guess Frozen never sees when his boy friend Floyd Mayweather Jr uses his elbow and tries to ram it into his opponents neck or face? You don't call that cheating? Only your lovers can cheat? No other fighters other than your two boy friends can use illegal tactics to try and win? HA HA HA! Silly rabbit.
Sit down Frozen and zip it.
Is Frozen saying that Zab would beat Margarito? HA HA HA!
What a joke.
Tony is no where near as chinny as Cotto is.
Tony would walk through the only weapon Zab has (Sneaky upper cut)
And then Tony would mop the floor with Zab Judah.
Zab would not last 6 rounds with Tony.
Got to say Frozen deserves what's being said. When you are clearly unobjective, that's what happens.
CC Danny for telling it like it is.
I love the way you're telling us how you scored fights nowadays as if your opinion is the final answer, Mayweather De Le Hoya 116-112, Williams Margarito 115-113 Baldomir Clottey 93-97 etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I'm glad we have you here to tell us how things really went down :bow:
No man,I was just saying,it was clear he hadn't seen the fight. I add my score merely to illustrate the point that anyone who was watching could see Clottey was winning. It's just to back up my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
So if you don't know what you're talking about,STFU. ;)
Thats exactly what i said aswell if you scroll up Clottey was mile ahead on scorecards before he got DQ he would of won i don't even think Baldomir deep down thinks thats proper victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Sorry if I ruffle your feathers ladies, but................................
It doesn't really matter who WAS winning the fight, what matters is who WON the fight ;)
All these Margarito lovers are out of their minds. The guy lost to Daniel Santos.
Santos is not a terrible fighter, but he isn't exactly a world class fighter. He's mediocre at best.
World class fighters (like some people think that Margarito is) do not lose to guys like Daniel Santos while they are in their supposed prime.
What's most funny about the Margarito lovers, is that before the Williams fight these same people were rambling on about how Paul Williams was just a prospect and hadn't done anything to deserve a shot at the great Antonio Margarito. Williams soundly beats Margarito and now these same people are saying that Williams is a world class fighter and Margarito put on a championship performance but lost to the future of the welterweight division. Face it, Margarito lost to a prospect (a pretty good one, though) Margarito was never a "champion," because he never fought a champion to get his WBO belt, he fought for it in a title eliminator. He defended it once against a decent opponent (Clottey) who was well on his way to beating Margarito before he broke his hand on Margarito's face (see Gamo, you can say that Clottey was beating Baldomir until the fight was stopped but it's the same thing as saying that Clottey was beating Margarito until he broke his hand on Colttey's face, so I guess you're theory works against you too...... unless you realize that it's more important who actually WON the fight ;))
As far as his big win over Cintron...............
If Cintron is so great, how come Judah is STILL ranked higher than him in the welterweight division ;)
And Gamo, you're 115-113 scoring of the Williams fight is just as absurd as your thinking that Margarito is a world class fighter and only exposes how extremely biased you are when it comes to Margarito. That's almost as bad as the scoring in the Steve Forbes robbery.
How Zab is even ranked above anyone is what's really confusing. It will be funny if Zab gets in the ring with Margarito, then we'll see a severe beating. Maybe Tony isn't a world beater, but I'll bet anything he'll beat Zab like a schoolgirl. Hell, Baldomir even beat him. Margarito is Zab's worst nightmare, as Tony has intestinal fortitude and keeps coming; whereas Zab just freezes up and ends up being an Everlast punching bag. I am in agreement about Margarito/Clottey. Tony was getting owned up until Clottey broke his hand, but whether Clottey could have kept doing it the whole fight with constant pressure from Tony is something we won't ever know unless they rematch. Tony is known for being willing to take a pounding but winning fights just by wearing his opponents down. As far as Cintron, I can't stand the guy after watching him quit with Margarito. Losing is one thing, quitting is another. I'd like to see Cintron/Judah. Maybe after 5 rounds they'll just stand there and look at each other and both get dq'd.
Here's a futuristic RBR of Margarito/Judah, just for fun.
Rd.1 Zab takes the initiative :jabbing:
Rd.2 Zab still doing it :jabbing:
Rd.3 Zab takes a break to look at the crowd and taunt Tony :dancer:
Rd.4 Zab isn't liking that Tony is still plodding forward and starts to get distressed, but still works off his great speed every now and then :dontknow: :jabbing: :dontknow:
Rd.5 Well here we go again with Zab :end: and here comes Tony :boxing2:
In Zab's corner in between rounds :smilie_whisper:
Rd.6 All Tony :boxing2: :puncher: :boxing2:
In Zab's corner again :poke:
Rd.7 Zab's not feeling it anymore :thinking2: but Tony is still :puncher:
Rd.8 and it doesn't bode well for Judah, as the elevator seemed to get stuck between floors :rolleyes3: but Tony is still doing his thing :boxing2:
In Zab's corner Noel is getting peeved :kick:
Not to fear, as Rd. 9 brings this travesty to a halt. Tony laying hands down big time :boxing2: :jabbing: :boxing2: :punchangry:
Zab in la la land :stars: but says he'll be back to fight again and be the true champ. He couldn't concentrate because Tony cheated by having his mariachi band play before the fight and it got in his head.
TKO in the 9th. This is just my attempt at predicting this fight, no offense intended. Please feel free to correct my prediction.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Here you go...............
http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html
Unless you think that your rating system is superior to Ring Magazine's.........
I'll even admit that as of right now, Margarito should be ranked higher (one spot is fair) than Judah because Zab's lost so many fights lately. This will all change soon though, because Zab is coming back huge where as Margarito is well on his way out. But the ratings I just posted kind of shed some light on Margarito's epic victory over the world class Kermit Cintron, doesn't it?
I tell you Frozen, you have to be the most dedicated Judah fan in the world, amazing!! That man should hire you in some capacity for his camp. I hope you're right and he can come back strong, for yours and his sake. And hell, mine too, as I was a huge fan up until a couple of years ago. CC again for being a devoted dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Thanks. CC back
cant waie to see zab again, him and mosley would be a great fight
Its good to see Zab back.Zab can be a really good fighter but he will have to stay focus and don't worry about thing that don't contain to boxing. He really needs a better manager also a trainer.
You have to admire his willingness to get back into the fray, he obviously thinks he can get one more shot at it. Be it Margarito or whoever, i suspect it will be another chump though.
It's a shame that Oscar isn't as active as these long layoffs are hurting him at his age.
dude frozen, clean Judah's nut milk out of your eyes and see he's just an average fighter, who's always failed at the top level
Zab should fight Margarito on the Cotto Mosely undercard. That would make sense to me.