Mosley Should Beat Cotto

I was watching some Cotto highlights and I think if Mosley has enough left in the tank he will beat him, maybe stop him. He has been hurt by lesser punchers than Mosley but none of them followed up effectively. Just look at the Corley fight. Corley had him badly hurt but he started to throw a little wide and missed a lot giving Cotto time to recover. Torres also had him hurt but he lacked the skill to close the deal. Mosley is still a pretty good finisher and I think if he hurts Cotto, which I pretty sure he will early on in the fight, he will be able to make sure Miguel doesnt get the chance to recover. I dont think the Judah fight is going to be anything like this fight because Shane isnt like Zab stylistically or in his mindset. Shane is not going to be intimidated. I think if this was the Mosley of 4 or 5 years ago it would be a one sided win for Mosley, but now it will be more competitive but I still see Mosley winning this one.

I think it's going to be a close fight. I don't agree with the Corley example because Cotto was so weight drained at 140 that he could not take punches well! The Torres fight showed me he had a good chin/heart,he was pushed down and took 25 plus power punches clean from a power puncher and was still up.

I think Mosley from a few years back would have won too but now,I favour Cotto personally. Anyone can get hurt to the body and Cotto is the premier body puncher in the world. His jab and switch hitting will also work to his advantage as will his stamina. Mosley will have his moments,I think I'll be super nervous early on. As the fight wears on though,I think Cotto's body work will slow Shane down.

And although you didn't mention but I know someone will: I totally disagree with the notion that Shane will outbox Cotto. I don't ever recall Shane being a jab and move type of guy, In fact,most of his successes have come from moving forward,using pressure and handspeed.

I'm sticking by my original prediction: Cotto via UD.

Well said Gamo and I must agree with your analysis. Cotto will not have an easy time because of Mosley's experience and the intelligence he's gained over the years. However, if Cotto displays that intelligence that he has shown flashes of (take your time, don't go for the KO early, which plagued him against Corley and Torres), then he will be able to stop Mosley late or definitely win a decision. I hope so because I want to see Cotto vs. Mayweather next year at MSG!!

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I think it's going to be a close fight. I don't agree with the Corley example because Cotto was so weight drained at 140 that he could not take punches well! The Torres fight showed me he had a good chin/heart,he was pushed down and took 25 plus power punches clean from a power puncher and was still up.

I think Mosley from a few years back would have won too but now,I favour Cotto personally. Anyone can get hurt to the body and Cotto is the premier body puncher in the world. His jab and switch hitting will also work to his advantage as will his stamina. Mosley will have his moments,I think I'll be super nervous early on. As the fight wears on though,I think Cotto's body work will slow Shane down.

And although you didn't mention but I know someone will: I totally disagree with the notion that Shane will outbox Cotto. I don't ever recall Shane being a jab and move type of guy, In fact,most of his successes have come from moving forward,using pressure and handspeed.

I'm sticking by my original prediction: Cotto via UD.

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I didnt mention Shane outboxing Cotto cause I dont think he will. But he can out hustle him. I never really saw Mosley as a great boxer, hes more of a speedy boxer-puncher. I agree that Cottos bodywork can slow Shane down, but I also believe that Mosleys combos and stregnth can stop Cotto in his tracks and back him up. It should be a very good fight, but I still think Shane can potentially beat Cotto at his own game. Cotto will ned to adjust in this fight like no other fight hes been in in order to win.

If Cotto can get to Mosley's body early I think he has a shot....if not I believe Mosley will confuse and baffel to win by decision.....

Mosley should win this fight without a problem, he has the speed and the power and he is a very smart fighter.

I've never seen Mosely cut or seriously hurt in any fight except ofcourse when he fought Forrest, but other than that he had been solid like a rock and amazingly powerful for his size. If Cotto beats him soundly especially by knockout I'd say PBF should start worrying.

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I've never seen Mosely cut or seriously hurt in any fight except ofcourse when he fought Forrest, but other than that he had been solid like a rock and amazingly powerful for his size. If Cotto beats him soundly especially by knockout I'd say PBF should start worrying.

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Forest and Wright had the size advantage against Mosely. The "azukal" shouldn't have a hard time with Cotto.

Im Going against the grain here and I dont think mosley will have to out box cotto to win.judah was able to get side to side angels early on that left cotto in that dangerous leaning forward lurch.mosley has retained great hand speed and foot work that I think if he fires those tight burst and works side to side as opposed to in and out I think he can hit up cotto bad.
Cotto is a body brute and if mosley stays in close to often,he'll rip it up and follow to shanes head.I just think shanes overall speed can cause cotto major problems.Shane can adapt and change up as Cottos heart and guts takes over and IMO shane gets Tko 10

Mosley just turned 36 and like Whitaker, Chavez and Tszyu before him in recent times it's almost impossible
at the lower weights to be as good as 5 years before. Mosley will give Cotto a great fight but i doubt he can win as his power at 147lb and 154lb has not been as effective as it was at Lightweight.
I like Sugar Shane, he is a fantastic fighter and a great man for boxing, i hope he can bring his A game for our sake as fans. I think Cotto will win a UD, but i will be happy to be wrong in my prediction.

Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

I like Miguel Cotto, but he's the most overrated fighter around, well, since Margarito lost anyways. Mosley, I think will beat Cotto a lot easier than most people think and I wouldn't be all that surprised if he took Cotto out in the first 6 rounds. The only thing working against Mosley in this fight is age. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to see Cotto VS PBF as its a great style matchup, but I don't see Cotto getting past SSM.

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Originally Posted by CFH

I like Miguel Cotto, but he's the most overrated fighter around, well, since Margarito lost anyways. Mosley, I think will beat Cotto a lot easier than most people think and I wouldn't be all that surprised if he took Cotto out in the first 6 rounds. The only thing working against Mosley in this fight is age. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to see Cotto VS PBF as its a great style matchup, but I don't see Cotto getting past SSM.

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I've got a feeling Cotto could be KO'd too. He's a tough brawling come forward fighter who so far hasn't faught anyone who could really stand up to him.

Judah we all know crumbles under pressure, Torres aint shit, Malignaggi is feather fisted but still gave Cotto a tough time.

Against Urkal, a tough guy who could take a decent shot Cotto looked largely innefective at times.

I think guys like Mosely and Oscar are more than capable of beating him even at their advanced ages.

Will be a great fight for sure but I don't think for a second that this is an easy fight for Cotto.

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Originally Posted by CFH

I like Miguel Cotto, but he's the most overrated fighter around, well, since Margarito lost anyways. Mosley, I think will beat Cotto a lot easier than most people think and I wouldn't be all that surprised if he took Cotto out in the first 6 rounds. The only thing working against Mosley in this fight is age. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to see Cotto VS PBF as its a great style matchup, but I don't see Cotto getting past SSM.

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I've got a feeling Cotto could be KO'd too. He's a tough brawling come forward fighter who so far hasn't faught anyone who could really stand up to him.

Judah we all know crumbles under pressure, Torres aint shit, Malignaggi is feather fisted but still gave Cotto a tough time.

Against Urkal, a tough guy who could take a decent shot Cotto looked largely innefective at times.

I think guys like Mosely and Oscar are more than capable of beating him even at their advanced ages.

Will be a great fight for sure but I don't think for a second that this is an easy fight for Cotto.

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I agree completely Bilbo, cc. I'm not a hater or anything, I quite like Cotto both as a fighter and as a person, but he's so amazingly overrated by some people - I've seen him put at #4 in some folks P4P list. Those are the best fighters he's beaten, and you summed their limitations up very well. I think the Malignaggi would've been A LOT closer if the deck hadn't been stacked against Paulie from the get go.

Edit: CC in 24.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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Sorry you dont like my wording Mick, but believe me I appreciate Cotto as a boxer and I think he is great for the sport and a class act. I also think he is a hell of a fighter. I just feel that Mosley has the tools to beat him and nothing in Mosley has shown me otherwise. Cotto can beat Mosley sure.I just think that unless Mosley has got old I think he has more advantages. But, like I said dont get me wrong Cotto has done more than anyone can expect of him and even if he doesnt win this one he will lose nothing but his 0.

I think it will be a tough fight, but I see Mosley winning. He is too fast IMO and Cotto isn't a big enough hitter to really slow Mosley down. When I look at Mosley against Oscar at 147 Oscar hit harder than Cotto and was a lot faster, and a better boxer, but Mosley still beat him in their first fight. Now I think Mosley isn't as fast as he once was, and he doesn't hit as hard as he did at lightweight, but I think he has become a smarter fighter. He is boxed more against Collazo then he ever used to I think he still counters effectively, and he is the hardest hitter Cotto has ever faced, and his biggest flaw up until now has been his jaw. I think that if Mosley can catch Cotto with the right count he will be counted out. On the other side I can't see Cotto stopping Mosley at all. Mosley takes a great body shot, and he has an even better chin. I see a UD for Mosley. Cotto is a good boxer-puncher, but he has more flaws than Mosley.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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Sorry you dont like my wording Mick, but believe me I appreciate Cotto as a boxer and I think he is great for the sport and a class act. I also think he is a hell of a fighter. I just feel that Mosley has the tools to beat him and nothing in Mosley has shown me otherwise. Cotto can beat Mosley sure.I just think that unless Mosley has got old I think he has more advantages. But, like I said dont get me wrong Cotto has done more than anyone can expect of him and even if he doesnt win this one he will lose nothing but his 0.

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No need to apologise BoomBoom it's your opinion....
You bring up a very good point when you said "Unless Mosley has got old"
Well BoomBoom I'll tell you what I've seen fighters grow old over night literally. From 1 fight to another, within months....

I would also like to mention that whoever lists Cotto anything higher then #10 better have a gotdamn! GREAT explanation as to why he is there.
I'm a fan and a realist, top 9 he ain't top 10 with a strong arguement I can see it happen.

Another thing is the double standards here. His opponents are shit! cause he beat them... Would he have lost to them then he would have been shit!!
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I mean he beat a legit Welter in Quintana who at least was good enought to derail Julio but Quintana ain't shit! right people??? :beat:

Also (and SweetPea will vouche here) wasn't almost everyone here saying if Cotto beat Zab then Cotto would show if he was the real thing or not? And people were saying that Zab was Cottos toughest challenge and blah blah blah.....
Well he beat him and he still get's no credit or respect he deserves.
But I guess, once he beats SSM then people will write off SSM also as just another aging fighter.

I think this would be a much bigger win than Judah cause even an old Mosley has accomplished more than the younger Judah in recent years. Any boxer with over 40 pro fights at 36 years old is never a sure bet reguardless of how good he has been. JCC was younger than Mosley when he fought ODLH and was still performing well up till that point just like Mosley. The question is whether Mosleys age will show against Cotto.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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Sorry you dont like my wording Mick, but believe me I appreciate Cotto as a boxer and I think he is great for the sport and a class act. I also think he is a hell of a fighter. I just feel that Mosley has the tools to beat him and nothing in Mosley has shown me otherwise. Cotto can beat Mosley sure.I just think that unless Mosley has got old I think he has more advantages. But, like I said dont get me wrong Cotto has done more than anyone can expect of him and even if he doesnt win this one he will lose nothing but his 0.

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No need to apologise BoomBoom it's your opinion....
You bring up a very good point when you said "Unless Mosley has got old"
Well BoomBoom I'll tell you what I've seen fighters grow old over night literally. From 1 fight to another, within months....

I would also like to mention that whoever lists Cotto anything higher then #10 better have a gotdamn! GREAT explanation as to why he is there.
I'm a fan and a realist, top 9 he ain't top 10 with a strong arguement I can see it happen.

Another thing is the double standards here. His opponents are S***! cause he beat them... Would he have lost to them then he would have been S***!!
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I mean he beat a legit Welter in Quintana who at least was good enought to derail Julio but Quintana ain't S***! right people??? :beat:

Also (and SweetPea will vouche here) wasn't almost everyone here saying if Cotto beat Zab then Cotto would show if he was the real thing or not? And people were saying that Zab was Cottos toughest challenge and blah blah blah.....
Well he beat him and he still get's no credit or respect he deserves.
But I guess, once he beats SSM then people will write off SSM also as just another aging fighter.

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If cotto beats Mosley,He is P4P top ten .Cotto is a soldier Ala Edwin rosario.If any fighter,ANY fighter Let alone Mosley, "gets old" In a fight Its because They were shown the door!Great fight But I think mosley has big edge.

I see Mosley stopping Cotto late. Around 10th or 11th round

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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Sorry you dont like my wording Mick, but believe me I appreciate Cotto as a boxer and I think he is great for the sport and a class act. I also think he is a hell of a fighter. I just feel that Mosley has the tools to beat him and nothing in Mosley has shown me otherwise. Cotto can beat Mosley sure.I just think that unless Mosley has got old I think he has more advantages. But, like I said dont get me wrong Cotto has done more than anyone can expect of him and even if he doesnt win this one he will lose nothing but his 0.

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No need to apologise BoomBoom it's your opinion....
You bring up a very good point when you said "Unless Mosley has got old"
Well BoomBoom I'll tell you what I've seen fighters grow old over night literally. From 1 fight to another, within months....

I would also like to mention that whoever lists Cotto anything higher then #10 better have a gotdamn! GREAT explanation as to why he is there.
I'm a fan and a realist, top 9 he ain't top 10 with a strong arguement I can see it happen.

Another thing is the double standards here. His opponents are shit! cause he beat them... Would he have lost to them then he would have been shit!!
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I mean he beat a legit Welter in Quintana who at least was good enought to derail Julio but Quintana ain't shit! right people??? :beat:

Also (and SweetPea will vouche here) wasn't almost everyone here saying if Cotto beat Zab then Cotto would show if he was the real thing or not? And people were saying that Zab was Cottos toughest challenge and blah blah blah.....
Well he beat him and he still get's no credit or respect he deserves.
But I guess, once he beats SSM then people will write off SSM also as just another aging fighter.

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I don't think its that his opponents are shit. Quintana and Zab are quality opposition for sure, but Cotto has yet to prove himself against top tier opposition. Now he has his chance and if he beats SSM he deserves a ton of credit for it.

I say he should beat Cotto too but will he?

Cotto says this is my time.

I hope so.

I will have to stand by Miguel and stand by my prediction.
I said that Cotto would unify by end of 2008. I can not go back on what I have said and I will have to stick to it.

WAR COTTO!

Make my prediction come true.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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Sorry you dont like my wording Mick, but believe me I appreciate Cotto as a boxer and I think he is great for the sport and a class act. I also think he is a hell of a fighter. I just feel that Mosley has the tools to beat him and nothing in Mosley has shown me otherwise. Cotto can beat Mosley sure.I just think that unless Mosley has got old I think he has more advantages. But, like I said dont get me wrong Cotto has done more than anyone can expect of him and even if he doesnt win this one he will lose nothing but his 0.

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No need to apologise BoomBoom it's your opinion....
You bring up a very good point when you said "Unless Mosley has got old"
Well BoomBoom I'll tell you what I've seen fighters grow old over night literally. From 1 fight to another, within months....

I would also like to mention that whoever lists Cotto anything higher then #10 better have a gotdamn! GREAT explanation as to why he is there.
I'm a fan and a realist, top 9 he ain't top 10 with a strong arguement I can see it happen.

Another thing is the double standards here. His opponents are S***! cause he beat them... Would he have lost to them then he would have been S***!!
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I mean he beat a legit Welter in Quintana who at least was good enought to derail Julio but Quintana ain't S***! right people??? :beat:

Also (and SweetPea will vouche here) wasn't almost everyone here saying if Cotto beat Zab then Cotto would show if he was the real thing or not? And people were saying that Zab was Cottos toughest challenge and blah blah blah.....
Well he beat him and he still get's no credit or respect he deserves.
But I guess, once he beats SSM then people will write off SSM also as just another aging fighter.

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If cotto beats Mosley,He is P4P top ten .Cotto is a soldier Ala Edwin rosario.If any fighter,ANY fighter Let alone Mosley, "gets old" In a fight Its because They were shown the door!Great fight But I think mosley has big edge.

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'El Chapo' damn! that's a warrior right there.....
Well then again about the same topic of getting shown the dooor let's not forget Hiranaka blasting 'Chapo' out in 1 round.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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Sorry you dont like my wording Mick, but believe me I appreciate Cotto as a boxer and I think he is great for the sport and a class act. I also think he is a hell of a fighter. I just feel that Mosley has the tools to beat him and nothing in Mosley has shown me otherwise. Cotto can beat Mosley sure.I just think that unless Mosley has got old I think he has more advantages. But, like I said dont get me wrong Cotto has done more than anyone can expect of him and even if he doesnt win this one he will lose nothing but his 0.

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No need to apologise BoomBoom it's your opinion....
You bring up a very good point when you said "Unless Mosley has got old"
Well BoomBoom I'll tell you what I've seen fighters grow old over night literally. From 1 fight to another, within months....

I would also like to mention that whoever lists Cotto anything higher then #10 better have a gotdamn! GREAT explanation as to why he is there.
I'm a fan and a realist, top 9 he ain't top 10 with a strong arguement I can see it happen.

Another thing is the double standards here. His opponents are shit! cause he beat them... Would he have lost to them then he would have been shit!!
::**
I mean he beat a legit Welter in Quintana who at least was good enought to derail Julio but Quintana ain't shit! right people??? :beat:

Also (and SweetPea will vouche here) wasn't almost everyone here saying if Cotto beat Zab then Cotto would show if he was the real thing or not? And people were saying that Zab was Cottos toughest challenge and blah blah blah.....
Well he beat him and he still get's no credit or respect he deserves.
But I guess, once he beats SSM then people will write off SSM also as just another aging fighter.

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I don't think its that his opponents are shit. Quintana and Zab are quality opposition for sure, but Cotto has yet to prove himself against top tier opposition. Now he has his chance and if he beats SSM he deserves a ton of credit for it.

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When you say top tier you mean over all, not just the actual Welter div. cause in that case Zab and Quintana up to this date are far more qualified as Welteres then SSM. Would you agree?
I mean SSM has moved thru divisions and has been unsteady so far he wins in 1 division then looses in another...

There's no doubt that Judah and Quintana are quality opposition. No doubt Mosley is a better fighter then both though and a true complete package. This is definitely the best guy Cotto has ever been in the ring with.

For what it's worth, I thought Carlos Quintana would beat Miguel Cotto but Cotto came polished and really upped his game to beat Quintana. I still think that is the best win of Cotto's career as far as the fight in the ring goes, the Judah fight showed he could handle speed and a big stage but he didn't prove anymore then he did that night.

I really think this is a pick-em fight and is going to swing back and forth all night.

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There's no doubt that Judah and Quintana are quality opposition. No doubt Mosley is a better fighter then both though and a true complete package. This is definitely the best guy Cotto has ever been in the ring with.

For what it's worth, I thought Carlos Quintana would beat Miguel Cotto but Cotto came polished and really upped his game to beat Quintana. I still think that is the best win of Cotto's career as far as the fight in the ring goes, the Judah fight showed he could handle speed and a big stage but he didn't prove anymore then he did that night.

I really think this is a pick-em fight and is going to swing back and forth all night.

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CC,I agree. Even though they don't admit to it now,many have said that Paulie and Carlos would outslick Cotto and quite a few chose Zab to beat Cotto. Heck I even remember websites whos names we are not supposed to mention choosing Paulie to win. He pretty much annihilated them. It's not that he has 1 outstanding but rather he has beaten a number of solid B level fighters. And they are beginning to stack up.

It is a pick em fight but I think as long as Cotto weathers the early storm,he will win. I think this will be FOTY contender.

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Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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Sorry you dont like my wording Mick, but believe me I appreciate Cotto as a boxer and I think he is great for the sport and a class act. I also think he is a hell of a fighter. I just feel that Mosley has the tools to beat him and nothing in Mosley has shown me otherwise. Cotto can beat Mosley sure.I just think that unless Mosley has got old I think he has more advantages. But, like I said dont get me wrong Cotto has done more than anyone can expect of him and even if he doesnt win this one he will lose nothing but his 0.

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No need to apologise BoomBoom it's your opinion....
You bring up a very good point when you said "Unless Mosley has got old"
Well BoomBoom I'll tell you what I've seen fighters grow old over night literally. From 1 fight to another, within months....

I would also like to mention that whoever lists Cotto anything higher then #10 better have a gotdamn! GREAT explanation as to why he is there.
I'm a fan and a realist, top 9 he ain't top 10 with a strong arguement I can see it happen.

Another thing is the double standards here. His opponents are shit! cause he beat them... Would he have lost to them then he would have been shit!!
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I mean he beat a legit Welter in Quintana who at least was good enought to derail Julio but Quintana ain't shit! right people??? :beat:

Also (and SweetPea will vouche here) wasn't almost everyone here saying if Cotto beat Zab then Cotto would show if he was the real thing or not? And people were saying that Zab was Cottos toughest challenge and blah blah blah.....
Well he beat him and he still get's no credit or respect he deserves.
But I guess, once he beats SSM then people will write off SSM also as just another aging fighter.

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I don't think its that his opponents are shit. Quintana and Zab are quality opposition for sure, but Cotto has yet to prove himself against top tier opposition. Now he has his chance and if he beats SSM he deserves a ton of credit for it.

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When you say top tier you mean over all, not just the actual Welter div. cause in that case Zab and Quintana up to this date are far more qualified as Welteres then SSM. Would you agree?
I mean SSM has moved thru divisions and has been unsteady so far he wins in 1 division then looses in another...
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Quintana may be the only natural welterweight amonst them, but that doesn't mean he's a better fighter than SSM or that he was a bigger threat to Cotto than Mosley is. I would also say that SSM seems pretty comfortable at the higher weight classes at this point - according to boxrec he hasn't fought below 147 since 1999, and his opposition has been more than decent.

Mosley wins by stoppage inside 9

I Admire both guys, I feel the winner of this fight may be heir apparent to the Welter division, thats why i slightly favour Cotto as he will have more longevity and will be better for boxing as i expect shane to retire soon-ish.

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I have to agree with Dark Lord Al, Shane will KO Cotto inside 9 rounds. I actually really like Cotto as a fighter even more so after the Judah fight but I think Mosley has too much hand & footspeed. Mosley is a great body puncher as well as Cotto and I think this fight will be so exciting to watch more so than Hatton/Mayweather from a spectators point of view. Either way I think it will be an all out war!!

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Tyson should have beat Douglas
Judah should have beat Baldomir
Bojado should have beat Rubio
Curry should have beat Lloyd
Benvenutti should have beat Monzon


I personally don't think SSM falls under the 'should beat' category....
When I read SSM should beat Cotto IMO your selling Cotto short here. It's like your not taking into consideration how much he has grown as a boxer. I remember when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW and I got into a debate here cause he was saying that Cotto didn't have room to grow that Cotto would loose soon and that he had no future... I forget who was it that backed Rockys theory and said that he also agreed that Cotto had no future.... Well I disagreed with them and told him Cotto was gonna grow and was gonna improve cause he had time and room to improve as he went thru the ranks. Here we are about 2 yrs. later and Cottos still going strong.
I have almost all of Cottos career except for a fight or two but let me tell you man this kids really improved massively. I mean look at the way he finished Quintana off with body shots. Look at the way he finished off Zab with straight right hands and a uppercut.

I think the Cotto vs. SSM fight will start off a little like the Zab fight where SSMs hand speed and skill will cause him problems... Cotto being in the mind set he normally is he'll adjust to it as the fight moves forward and begin to take SSM apart.

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I agree with you. I'm going over to watch this, and I'm going because I honestly believe Cotto has the ability to beat most of the guys out there. I even think he can beat Floyd. Even in trouble, Cotto is dangerous and I think he'll wear Mosley down. It'll be a superb fight though, and the undercard looks pretty fucking sweet. I'm just glad I managed to get a ticket ;D

Everyone thought that Zab would be the end of Cotto......Miguel has heart and he's too proud to back down once the brawl starts and I think Shane is in for one tough night.

Shane MIGHT win but he'll have to earn it

I'm excited about this fight now, im only moderately excited about a lot of the "big" fights comin up, but i really look forward to this one.

Many people doubt Cotto, but he just keeps on pushin' & has a hell of a heart to keep him goin' and win in a fight! He will have trouble and IMO he will win this fight! (p.s.) a prime Mosley would of beat even Mayweather but this is no longer a prime Mosley!

I pick Cotto to win by decision in a very competitive fight.

Mosley is a very good fighter, but I think he's overrated by many. I think in some ways that he's still living off of the great performance he had vs. Oscar in their first fight. That was 7 years ago... a lifetime ago in boxing terms.

Mosley has many more bad performances than good ones in the years since. He revived his career by KOing a completely shot Fernando Vargas. Mosley has never had a lot of punching power since moving up from lightweight.

And the biggest reason for Mosley's mediocre record this decade is because he is not a particularly smart fighter. He's a smart guy, but not a smart fighter. He was blessed with great speed and athleticism, yet he fights one-dimensionally. He stands flat-footed and throws power shots. If Mosley's style was based around movement and defense (like Mayweather), then I would pick him to beat Cotto. But Shane doesn't fight that way, he'll be flat-footed and trading power shots, which is exactly what he shouldn't do against the younger, stronger Cotto.

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I pick Cotto to win by decision in a very competitive fight.

Mosley is a very good fighter, but I think he's overrated by many. I think in some ways that he's still living off of the great performance he had vs. Oscar in their first fight. That was 7 years ago... a lifetime ago in boxing terms.

Mosley has many more bad performances than good ones in the years since. He revived his career by KOing a completely shot Fernando Vargas. Mosley has never had a lot of punching power since moving up from lightweight.

And the biggest reason for Mosley's mediocre record this decade is because he is not a particularly smart fighter. He's a smart guy, but not a smart fighter. He was blessed with great speed and athleticism, yet he fights one-dimensionally. He stands flat-footed and throws power shots. If Mosley's style was based around movement and defense (like Mayweather), then I would pick him to beat Cotto. But Shane doesn't fight that way, he'll be flat-footed and trading power shots, which is exactly what he shouldn't do against the younger, stronger Cotto.

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You,brother,are a fricking genius! That post echoes my feelings wholeheartedly and you're the only one to nail the points. I wasn't sure how to word it but you did it perfectly. I'm keeping this post as referece. I've always thought Shane made mistakes especially with his style and I don't think he can outbox Cotto in anyway,shape or form.

He's going to fight the way he has been fighting for a decade and that's try and use his handspeed to bedazzle Cotto. He'll have successes earlier on but once he feels Cotto's power and bodyshots,once he sees the relentlesness,he will lose imo. Great post bro,CC.

Eventhough there's alegation/rumor spreading around that Mosley is/was on dope, my heart on this one still says Sugar Shane just because Ive seen so much of his fights throughout his career. His rapid punching style combined with his unique physique he has been a truly great fighter. However there's something about Cotto and current form that is suggesting to me hes gonna clean up here. I feel a bit for these two guys with everyone obsessing over Mayweather Hatton (a fight between two opponents of notably different calibre) this mega fight isent getting as much attention as it probably deserves because this is truly a case of the best fighting the best!

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I pick Cotto to win by decision in a very competitive fight.

Mosley is a very good fighter, but I think he's overrated by many. I think in some ways that he's still living off of the great performance he had vs. Oscar in their first fight. That was 7 years ago... a lifetime ago in boxing terms.

Mosley has many more bad performances than good ones in the years since. He revived his career by KOing a completely shot Fernando Vargas. Mosley has never had a lot of punching power since moving up from lightweight.

And the biggest reason for Mosley's mediocre record this decade is because he is not a particularly smart fighter. He's a smart guy, but not a smart fighter. He was blessed with great speed and athleticism, yet he fights one-dimensionally. He stands flat-footed and throws power shots. If Mosley's style was based around movement and defense (like Mayweather), then I would pick him to beat Cotto. But Shane doesn't fight that way, he'll be flat-footed and trading power shots, which is exactly what he shouldn't do against the younger, stronger Cotto.

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While i agree that Mosley is not the force he was when he was a lightweight...he is still a tremendous athlete who possesses great speed. You say Shane fights one-dimensionally...but in my opinion so does Cotto. I think Cotto is a very good and exciting fighter. But he has plenty of defensive flaws, a suspect chin, and does not have great speed on either his movement or punches. While i admire his heart and exciting style...i don't see him having the skill or speed to stop Shane. As for who is the stronger puncher...again...it's true Shane isn't the beast he was at a lightweight...but i don't think he is the weaker puncher in this match up. If anything i rate them about the same in the power department. The difference is that Shane is the much faster fighter. So when these two trade...i see Shane connecting at a higher rate and more accurately. If i had to bet on who's chin holding up...i'll put my money on Mosley. I think it will be an exciting fight...but unless Shane grows old in this one...I don't see him losing.

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You say Shane fights one-dimensionally...but in my opinion so does Cotto.

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I agree.

But the point is... Shane was blessed with the type of speed and athleticism that would allow him to fight more of a pure boxing style, and he chooses not to do so. He doesn't make the most of his gifts with the way he fights. If he had developed a style based more around movement, he could have been a better fighter.

Cotto may be somewhat one-dimensional, but that one dimension is the one that gets the most out of skills.

What are the odds on this fight anyhow just to ask who is the favorite to win the fight

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I pick Cotto to win by decision in a very competitive fight.

Mosley is a very good fighter, but I think he's overrated by many. I think in some ways that he's still living off of the great performance he had vs. Oscar in their first fight. That was 7 years ago... a lifetime ago in boxing terms.

Mosley has many more bad performances than good ones in the years since. He revived his career by KOing a completely shot Fernando Vargas. Mosley has never had a lot of punching power since moving up from lightweight.

And the biggest reason for Mosley's mediocre record this decade is because he is not a particularly smart fighter. He's a smart guy, but not a smart fighter. He was blessed with great speed and athleticism, yet he fights one-dimensionally. He stands flat-footed and throws power shots. If Mosley's style was based around movement and defense (like Mayweather), then I would pick him to beat Cotto. But Shane doesn't fight that way, he'll be flat-footed and trading power shots, which is exactly what he shouldn't do against the younger, stronger Cotto.

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While i agree that Mosley is not the force he was when he was a lightweight...he is still a tremendous athlete who possesses great speed. You say Shane fights one-dimensionally...but in my opinion so does Cotto. I think Cotto is a very good and exciting fighter. But he has plenty of defensive flaws, a suspect chin, and does not have great speed on either his movement or punches. While i admire his heart and exciting style...i don't see him having the skill or speed to stop Shane. As for who is the stronger puncher...again...it's true Shane isn't the beast he was at a lightweight...but i don't think he is the weaker puncher in this match up. If anything i rate them about the same in the power department. The difference is that Shane is the much faster fighter. So when these two trade...i see Shane connecting at a higher rate and more accurately. If i had to bet on who's chin holding up...i'll put my money on Mosley. I think it will be an exciting fight...but unless Shane grows old in this one...I don't see him losing.

CC, good post. I agree, unless Shane gets real old he wins by k.o. IMO. I love Cotto, but see him getting schooled. I wonder if Mosley is going to have some extra fire to him because of all this doping b.s. being said about him. He might really try to prove all these insinuators wrong and bring some real heat. Of course Cotto wants to prove something too. Going to be a barnstormer for sure.

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