Top 10 all time welter weights

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Hearns
4. Benitez
5. Whitaker
6. Duran
7. Trinidad
8. Mosley
9. Del ho ya
10. Quartey

I just wanted to make a top ten list i am just wondering what other people put for their top ten love to hear some lists

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Originally Posted by Mr140

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Hearns
4. Benitez
5. Whitaker
6. Duran
7. Trinidad
8. Mosley
9. Del ho ya
10. Quartey

I just wanted to make a top ten list i am just wondering what other people put for their top ten love to hear some lists

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Two words JOSE NAPOLES!!!

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Originally Posted by Mr140

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Hearns
4. Benitez
5. Whitaker
6. Duran
7. Trinidad
8. Mosley
9. Del ho ya
10. Quartey

I just wanted to make a top ten list i am just wondering what other people put for their top ten love to hear some lists

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Benitez is too high and where's Henry Armstrong ?? i'll do a list later.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Hearns
4. Benitez
5. Whitaker
6. Duran
7. Trinidad
8. Mosley
9. Del ho ya
10. Quartey

I just wanted to make a top ten list i am just wondering what other people put for their top ten love to hear some lists

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Gopd effort but maybe it should be top 30 Welters u have heard of. Napoles, Armstrong maybe Griffith, etc should be in an all time list like has already been pointed out.

With the exception of SRR they're all post 1978. Is this because you don't know anyone from before that (nothing wrong with that) or because you don't rate them?

Benetiz & Duran are both great fighters but their Welter records are not Top Ten worthy.

I'm going to throw a few names for you to look up.

Joe Walcott
Jack Britton
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Mickey Walker
Jimmy McLarnin
Barney Ross
HENRY ARMSTRONG
Emile Griffith
Jose Napoles
Simon Brown

I'm not saying that all of these are better than all of yours but you need to learn more about the history of the sport before you post such threads.

Mad my list on the fighters i have seen so it is not what everyone would expect it to be and yea i forgot henary i knows hes up there never seen him fight though so i forgot to add him so that was my bad i guess

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

I have not seen alot of those guys fight on film so i put my list on the people i have seen on video and i may be wrong because of it

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/welter.htm

Follow this link and read up about these guys.....

1 Armstrong
2 SRR
3 Leonard
4 Whitaker
5 Hearns
6 Tito
7 Napoles
8 Griffith
9 Oscar
10 Ross

CC for the list and i will read up on some of the guys and if you can get me some videos i like that to so i can see them

Maybe i should of said the best guys from the 1970's and up because besides SRR i have not seen many fights on video on alot of the fighters before the 60's and 70's so i have a hard time ranking them if i never saw them and yea i can read about them but not the same as seeing them

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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Good list but Griffith is too high imo.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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No hearns?

The whole reason i made a list so i could learn more about welters because the lists are heavy most of the time and i know just about everthing i can learn form that division so i like hearing list about a different divisions so cc to ever one that gave one

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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Good list but Griffith is too high imo.

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Well to each is own... I think Griffith is underrated as a fighter. I also think hes rightfully where he belongs.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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No hearns?

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Well you know what I think fighters like Hearns are a bit hard to try and figure out what division to rank them in cause their stays in divsions weren't for too long and the ones they did stay in you have to look at quality of opposition and all.
Hearns career as a Welter falls short compared to the rest. He beat Espada & Cuevas and then lost to SRL.
I would rank Hearns as a Light Middleweight where he beat Benitez, Minchillo & Duran.

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1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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Good list but Griffith is too high imo.

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Well to each is own... I think Griffith is underrated as a fighter. I also think hes rightfully where he belongs.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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No hearns?

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Well you know what I think fighters like Hearns are a bit hard to try and figure out what division to rank them in cause their stays in divsions weren't for too long and the ones they did stay in you have to look at quality of opposition and all.
Hearns career as a Welter falls short compared to the rest. He beat Espada & Cuevas and then lost to SRL.
I would rank Hearns as a Light Middleweight where he beat Benitez, Minchillo & Duran.

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You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.

I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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Good list but Griffith is too high imo.

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Well to each is own... I think Griffith is underrated as a fighter. I also think hes rightfully where he belongs.

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike


*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.

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No hearns?

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Well you know what I think fighters like Hearns are a bit hard to try and figure out what division to rank them in cause their stays in divsions weren't for too long and the ones they did stay in you have to look at quality of opposition and all.
Hearns career as a Welter falls short compared to the rest. He beat Espada & Cuevas and then lost to SRL.
I would rank Hearns as a Light Middleweight where he beat Benitez, Minchillo & Duran.

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Yeah i guess its how u want to rank them. As u say Hearns best wins were probably at 154, but i think there is no doubt he is one of the top ten most talented ww' of all time. I see how it is tricky.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.

I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)

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I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.

I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)

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I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.

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Agreed with most of your statement except last bit out of the ones you listed prime Whitaker would beat Oscar 100 percent in my mind and Ditto with SRL aswell and maybe Quartey but im not going to turn into a debate so i'll leave it there and :coolclick: for a good effort on your list.

How would Oscar beat everyone if he lost to Mosely and to Tito wither or not you thought Tito won or not he stil beat Oscar i would also pick Sugar Ray Robinson to beat him Along with Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns but that is just me

This is just me, but I only truly feel like I know a fighter if I have been alive and following boxing during their era, I couldn't truly tell you if I thought Henry Armstrong was better than Barney Ross.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.

I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)

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I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.

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Oscar beats any welter in history?

I think you've been overdosing on Oscar's sexy new pics and are a bit giddy from the euphoria caused by 24 hours of solid wanking. You're rating him as the perfect tranny and not as a fighter imo.

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You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.

I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)

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I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.

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Oscar beats any welter in history?

I think you've been overdosing on Oscar's sexy new pics and are a bit giddy from the euphoria caused by 24 hours of solid wanking. You're rating him as the perfect tranny and not as a fighter imo.

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Yeah i gotta say i think SRL, Hearns, etc would beat DLH. Hell he got beaten at ww by lesser fighters than those two.

Oscar for the most part of his career was beat in the big fights but i not saying his bad but he is not the best welter there ever was

And maybe we should make couple of different list because it is hard to compare fighters that are over 30 years apart but that might just be me

First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong

Sugar Ray Robinson

Henry Armstrong

Sugar Ray Leonard

Mickey Walker

Barney Ross

Emile Griffith

Carmen Basilio

Kid Gavilan

Luis Rodriguez

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Originally Posted by BIG H

First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong

Sugar Ray Robinson

Henry Armstrong

Sugar Ray Leonard

Mickey Walker

Barney Ross

Emile Griffith

Carmen Basilio

Kid Gavilan

Luis Rodriguez

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Some pretty good lists here guys. H,who is Luis Rodriguez and Mickey Walker?

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First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong

Sugar Ray Robinson

Henry Armstrong

Sugar Ray Leonard

Mickey Walker

Barney Ross

Emile Griffith

Carmen Basilio

Kid Gavilan

Luis Rodriguez

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Some pretty good lists here guys. H,who is Luis Rodriguez and Mickey Walker?

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Cheers mate


Mickey Walker was an awesome fighter from the 20s and 30s - check him out

Rodriquez won the title from Emile Griffith - had an awesome record

Wow,Wlaker seemed like a fierce fighter(just checking his records on the net) and Rodriguez fught alot of quality of opposition,did he lose to Griffith like 3 times via SD and won won UD?!

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Wow,Wlaker seemed like a fierce fighter(just checking his records on the net) and Rodriguez fught alot of quality of opposition,did he lose to Griffith like 3 times via SD and won won UD?!

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Not sure about Rod v Griff - I know he won the title from Griffith then lost the rematch and then lost the rubber match too.

S R L
Burley
Hearns
S R R
Walker
Ross
Griffiths
Basilo
Gavilan
Napolis

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S R L
Burley
Hearns
S R R
Walker
Ross
Griffiths
Basilo
Gavilan
Napolis

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I always put Burley down as a Middleweight - never thought about his Welterweight days :-\

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Originally Posted by BIG H

First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong

Sugar Ray Robinson

Henry Armstrong

Sugar Ray Leonard

Mickey Walker

Barney Ross

Emile Griffith

Carmen Basilio

Kid Gavilan

Luis Rodriguez

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Micky Walker was rated higher at Middleweight wasn't he ?? and wheres Whitaker BIG H ?? i think this is classic example of older fighters getting too much credit but :coolclick: for the list.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by BIG H

First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong

Sugar Ray Robinson

Henry Armstrong

Sugar Ray Leonard

Mickey Walker

Barney Ross

Emile Griffith

Carmen Basilio

Kid Gavilan

Luis Rodriguez

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Micky Walker was rated higher at Middleweight wasn't he ?? and wheres Whitaker BIG H ?? i think this is classic example of older fighters getting too much credit but :coolclick: for the list.

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On the lightweight list ;)

CC back

H he basicly always was a welter, Im told he always weigthed in with weigths in his pockets he was never more than 152. He would give a stone away to get fights. The fight ICB put up he was carrying the guy the first time they Boxed Charley had him over twice and he was a top 10 L/heavy.

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H he basicly always was a welter, Im told he always weigthed in with weigths in his pockets he was never more than 152. He would give a stone away to get fights. The fight ICB put up he was carrying the guy the first time they Boxed Charley had him over twice and he was a top 10 L/heavy.

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Thats interesting story Scrap thanks for sharing :coolclick:

I always wanted to see his fight vs Charles i heard they were very close encounters.

ICB they were very close but Charles was only 19 at the time but with a weight advantage. As Ive said before Charles was also special, very.

Whitaker was better at light wieght but he still was a champion in the welter weight divison for for like 4 years which i think is pretty good he was best at welter though and i seen him fight so i can rate him better

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Originally Posted by Scrap

H he basicly always was a welter, Im told he always weigthed in with weigths in his pockets he was never more than 152. He would give a stone away to get fights. The fight ICB put up he was carrying the guy the first time they Boxed Charley had him over twice and he was a top 10 L/heavy.

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CC - cheers m8