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Im a liar. Sad Click me now if you wish but seriously, im a fraudulant boxing fan :(
Last night i watched Collazo-v-Hatton for the 1st time. Yes the first time!
For all the times ive defended Hatton against all the claimes he was beat fair n square etc... I realise now that Collazo really was robbed!!
I had it 115-114 to Collazo and that was with me (a Hatton fan) being ever so slightly biased to the hitman in scoring.
Im truely shocked and humbled :(
A one round margin is hardly a robbery. I thought it could have gone either way.
I thought that SRL deserved the win against Marvin and also beat Hearns in the rematch (I counted the staggerings as 10-8 rounds). Many people disagree with me but they were close.
You can even argue a case for Leonard in the first Duran fight......
Hatton was the big favourite so people expected him to win. When he didn't win easy it clouds your judgement. The same thing happened to Ali in his later fights and also to Lewis V Klitchsko.
Relax Boogie bro. Firstly,115-114 is NOT,in anyway,shape or form,a robbery(don't listen to others,that word is used far far too much and usually incorrectly). Secondly,you not watching the fight,tut tut tut!! I'd guarantee you're not the only that has done that though,so it's fine.
Don't let it happen too much though and I hope other members stop doing this too otherwise this forum will end up like some of the "other" ones.(where guys have never seen the fights and they know nothing about boxing) ;D :-X
This is what makes the Hatton/Mayweather Jr. fight some what interesting.
Both got gifts.
Hatton got his against Collazo
Mayweather Jr. got his against Castillo I
Both fighters should have an L
To take a mans belt, you have to beat him. I don't care about the excuses people have made for both Hatton and Mayweather Jr.
I will grant Mayweather Jr. the come back azz kicking he gave Castillo in the second fight. He boxed poor Castillo's ears off, left him blonde and stupid in the process. I still remember Castillo saying I can not figure out his style after every round past the ninth.
Hatton should have stayed at Welter and gave Collazo his deserved rematch. Mayweather did the right thing by fighting Castillo again. Hatton, well.... He did not do the right thing. Tisk, tisk >:mad
I had Hatton by 2 points. I too am a massive Hatton fan, but I felt he won. Wasn't confident though when the judges came through, and that seriously was his biggest crisis to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
I had it even but Hatton was seriously fading in the later rounds when you expect him to be at his strongest. I put that down to the weight but then the same thing happened in his next fight. I think Hatton's best chance is wear PBF down and come on strong at the end so this pattern is a bit of a worry!
Dude also a hatton fan,everybody here nose that!, saw it ever so close. Had it a draw with the knockdown saving the Hitman.
Doesn't bear thinking about tho.Barely.Barely.
I was expecting you to burst into the Foo Fighters song
As long as it wasnt an Usher song, im happy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Which song now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Best Of You
It starts - "I've got another confession to make"
Oh ya i no it...good song actually!
It seems that you're overly critical when scoring a fight when its your boy in there. I too am guilty of this and have a tendancy to score close rounds in favor of who ever is fighting the guy I want to win.
Relax though................
In my completely unbiased scoring of the Hatton/Collazo fight, I had Hatton by a round.
Hatton scraped through IMO but only because of the KD. It was a poor, poor display. The nadir of Hattons career IMO and he knows it.
Well some positive points can be drawn from that fight:
1)He didnt go down: Totally exhausted and in my opinion ill-prepared he fought a Good Welter and took a whole trailer load of punches. Had he taken a knee he would have lost the fight.
2)He did win the first six: Even if every round was close he did win the first six against a very slick boxer, not bad seein as he was'nt ready.
3)Its in the memory: That fight is in the past, stored now in his mind and converted to "expierience," they were the hardest 12 rds. Hatton ever went against the best "boxer," he ever faced so far. Hopefully this will stand to him in the future and god knows he will be desperate not to let the same thing happen again.
40 odd fights and one close decision? Come on. People get on Hatton's case too much over that fight.
taansend hit the nail on the head - Hatton was meant to impress, Collazo was a nobody, it was a close fight so naturally the big-star-fav takes the flak ;)
Thing is Collazo isnt a nobody, he's a good boxer and a guy il root for when i see him fight next.
For sure, and he's fought Mosley thanks to Hatton making his name. But he was a nobody going into the Hatton fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
A faceless belt holder.
Correct and Right. Mayb deserved to be more famous tho?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Im not going to sadclick you but Collazo was not robbed the knockdown Hatton scored in the first round was the clincher for Hatton it was very close fight but by no means a robbery that word is used to many times in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
This was the classic case of Hatton landing more punches but less effective punches and Collazo landing less punches but the more effective punches i have watched this fight many times and i had Collazo winning by 1 point before but now i have Hatton winning by 1 point argument could be made either way but i think there should of been a rematch like with Mayweather vs Castillo.
I seem to remember that Hatton was lucky not to have a knockdown called against him at the start of the 12th round.
Looked more like Collazo pulled him over as Hatton tried to grab himQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
He was well and truely robbed but he only won by one point? Please explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Nah it was a fair call, more of a slip from fatigue, i was more emotionally involved in that last round than i have ever been in any other fight ever.
What ?? im sorry but did you just say you thought Leonard deserved to beat Hearns in the rematch ?? no way in hell bro the only round that could of been scored 10-8 is the 5th round no way was the 12th round a 10-8 round because Hearns was winning that round just before Leonard had him hurt even Leonard himself admitted he lost enough said.Quote:
Originally Posted by taansend
Haven't watched in a while just seem to remember that Hatton was hit and he staggered forward and was lucky not to have it called a knockdown boxing away from home infact im quite suprised that the judges had the scoring so accurate for the away fighter well 115-112 is a little off but you get my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
i had hatton ahead by a point
I never said he was well & truely robbed. For a minute there yiou made me think i had.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
I just said he really was robbed. As in everyone was saying he was and wow, you know what Collazo really did looked like a winner in that fight.
It seemed that every round Collazo was winning, he was winning it BIG! Hatton only really had a couple of good rounds (none if you go by his standard).
It looked like Collazo was the boss & he finished in style.
Heres the punchstats Jim.
Total Punches Hatton Collazo
Landed 259 213
Thrown 741 712
Pct. 30% 30%
Power Punches Hatton Collazo
Landed 254 167
Thrown 695 471
Pct. 37% 35%
Jabs Hatton Collazo
Landed 5 46
Thrown 46 241
Pct. 11% 19%
He did go down in the 12th. I have no idea why that wasnt called a knockdown. But you are right, hatton did take a trailer load of punches! I had Collazo winning by 2. But hatton did show a lot of heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
From what I remember the judges scores were lopsided in favor of hatton. So even though it was a close fight I can see why JB called it a robbery.
Judges had it.
115-112 115-112 114-113
I hate going by punchstats though if you're scoring a fight..They can sometimes make a fighter look more dominant than they were..because they can change back and forth over the course of a 12 round fight. E.G. Letterman and Lampley made out because Castillo had landed and thrown more punches than Mayweather in their 1st fight Castillo was robbed. Not so because I bet if you looked at the punchstats at around round 5 + 6 I bet you Mayweather was well ahead on the punchstats at that point (I felt he easily won the first 5). So it's not a good indicator as to how the fight went 'round by round'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Incidently those punchstats above were quite similar to the JLC vs PBF fight. Collazo only beat Hatton in Jabs. Same as Mayweather who beat Castillo only in the jabs department. 2 Close fights..One of those fights where it depends what you like.
That fight was the 1st time I saw Hatton fight and I was impressed by the heart he showed in the 12th round. It was a while ago, but I recall thinking that the 12th round could have been easily scored 10-8 for Collazo - that was as much a KD as the one Hatton scored in the 1st round. Even without a KD I could see it being called a 10-8 round - Collazo was fucking him up badly and Hatton didn't do a thing but survive.
I had Collazo winning by 2 - 3 rounds I think; I gave him the nod in many of the closely contested middle rounds of the fight due to his more accurate, clean, and more damaging punching. Collazo also clearly won the 10th and 12th rounds. I was cheering for Hatton, but he lost that fight. It was not an out and out robbery however.
Im massive Mayweather fan but i had him losing the first Castillo fight by 1 point however he easily won the rematch and Hatton should of rematched Collazo for certain the champion Collazo deserved a chance to win his belt back because the fight was so controversial the rematch should of been made asap and Hatton promised Collazo a rematch and didn't give him it thats only thing i didn't like about Hatton atleast when Mayweather won controversial decision he rematch Castillo and beat him easily in the rematch something Hatton didn't do and that left question marks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
It is always hard to be a fan of a fighter and really have an un-biased opinion, if i were a hatton fan i could come up with a ton of reasons why he should win, same but maybe a little easier if i'm a pbf fan....it's hard to root against hatton in this one i just don't think he has what it takes to win in dec. Either way the collazo fight was close, it was one of those fights where i collazo winning but wasn't upset or shocked the judges didn't see it that way, isn't is funny how different a fight can be after watching it a little bit down the road after the live event !!
well put man, I actually had hatton winning by 1 point 6 rounds to 6 even, but that knockdown in the first clinched it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
I was exact same as Killersheep.
My only real issue was, the rounds hatton won were the early one and were close, Collazo won his rounds big.
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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I'm just kidding pls don't take it personal ;D
heres a :coolclick: we all can be bias towads our favorite so don't worry about it ;)
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