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Where does Pavlik-Taylor rank among all-time middleweight fights?
It has to be top 5. I'm still too wired and drunk to think clearly through all of the fights, but this is right up there with Hagler-Hearns in my book. Maybe better in terms of pure action and a guy just showing unbelievable guts. I thought Pavlik was gone in the 2nd. His head was on a swivel and got up dazed with half the round left. To come back and score a knockout after that is just the stuff of legend. There's a rematch clause, and I look forward to it. I could definitely see Taylor taking the rematch if he fights more relaxed. He seemed to get too anxious at times and waste punches.
Anyway, enough of my rambling....where do you guys see this as an all-time fight? I'm about to watch it again.
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I bet no one in the audience thought " I feel cheated ." What a crowd pleasing fight. Pavlik had me thinking he was tiring then all of a sudden one big right hand.
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Its tough to match that for pure excitment! I still cant believe Kelly survived round 2! Great fight! And, a great card overall it has to be said!
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Its tough to match that for pure excitment! I still cant believe Kelly survived round 2! Great fight! And, a great card overall it has to be said!
No doubt. The Berto-Estrada fight alone was worth the price of admission. Throw in the unbelievable main event, and this ranks as one of the best cards in years. And we didn't have to shell out $49.95 for it, either!
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AMAZING.
has to be top 5...
for what happend in round 2, then at the end...
Very dramatic, you couldnt script it any better if you tried.
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That fight was almost as good as sex.
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I'll tell you in 10 years. I'm expecting a few more grat wins in the coming years.
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All I can say is that.. this is what championship fights are made of. Not that chicken shiet fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr is handing the fans.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. should not be known as the pound for pound fighter. They should change his title to pound for pound best defensive ring person or something like that.
If you people think Mayweather/Hatton will be anything like this you phukers need to wake up something fast.
And to all you d1ck heads who say I am obsessed with Floyd Mayweather Jr, you are wrong. I am dissapointed in you people who think he is all that when he is not.
Again change his title to capt defence or something and I can live with that. I can not live with him being called the best and better than Ray 1 or 2.
Miss me with that fake title. Specially when he took belts from washed up fighters who were way past their primes. PBF accussed Hatton of fighting guys who were old? That is about as bad as "The Pot Calling The Kettle Black".
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
All I can say is that.. this is what championship fights are made of. Not that chicken shiet fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr is handing the fans.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. should not be known as the pound for pound fighter. They should change his title to pound for pound best defensive ring person or something like that.
Danny, only you could take a thread about great middleweight fights and turn it into a complaint about another fighter in a different weight class. :appl: :cwm2:
To answer the thread question...
Hagler-Hearns is still #1.
Other fights in the discussion have to be one of Robinson-LaMotta fights, Duran-Barkley, Hagler-Leonard, etc.
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I said when this fight was first made was that if I had a chance to put any fight on broadcast TV, it was this one.
Great fight on both ends, hope nothing gets taken away from JT, he was game tonight.
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Benn vs Eubank 1
Mugabi vs Hagler
Hearns vs Hagler
Duran vs Barkley
Jake LaMotta vs Sugar Ray Robinson ST Valentines Day Massacre
All these fights were better yes Pavlik vs Taylor was great fight but not top 5 Middleweight fight of all time people are forgetting and getting too over excited.
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It's certainly top 10 of all time. What a fight.
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Benn vs Eubank 1
Mugabi vs Hagler
Hearns vs Hagler
Duran vs Barkley
Jake LaMotta vs Sugar Ray Robinson ST Valentines Day Massacre
All these fights were better yes Pavlik vs Taylor was great fight but not top 5 Middleweight fight of all time people are forgetting and getting too over excited.
Disagree. Mugabi-Hagler was a one-sided butt-whipping. It was a pretty good fight, but it would not make my top 10. St Valentines Massacre, again, a one-sided butt-kicking. Duran-Barkley and Hagler-Hearns, definitely better, although I don't necessarily think by much. I haven't seen Benn-Eubanks I, I'll check it out (part of the reason I started this thread was so folks would mention bouts I have not seen). I think there's a pretty good case for Pavlik-Taylor going into the top 5 depending on your criteria.
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Pavlik-Taylor was one of the best, no doubt. It had non-stop action, knockdowns on both sides, genuine dislike from both sides (followed by admiration and respect afterwards), and excitement beyond belief. Fantastic fight!
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I bet no one in the audience thought " I feel cheated ." What a crowd pleasing fight. Pavlik had me thinking he was tiring then all of a sudden one big right hand.
Probably a lot in the crowd who had money on Taylor to win by KO did. ;)
I really think 9/10 refs would have stopped that fight in the 2nd. Thank God for Steve Smoger, he kept it going and allowed us to witness one of the best fights of they year
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Yeah, when Pavlik went stumbling towards the ropes, I think a lot of guys who have jumped in there. Thanks goodness for Smoger :bowdown:
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on that note I fell Manfredo was stoppe prematurely against Calzaghe. Lets get this ref for that Calzaghe vs Kessler :)
It is the best fight I have seen in a long time. I will also have a second look right about now ;)
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It has to be top 5. I'm still too wired and drunk to think clearly through all of the fights, but this is right up there with Hagler-Hearns in my book. Maybe better in terms of pure action and a guy just showing unbelievable guts. I thought Pavlik was gone in the 2nd. His head was on a swivel and got up dazed with half the round left. To come back and score a knockout after that is just the stuff of legend. There's a rematch clause, and I look forward to it. I could definitely see Taylor taking the rematch if he fights more relaxed. He seemed to get too anxious at times and waste punches.
Anyway, enough of my rambling....where do you guys see this as an all-time fight? I'm about to watch it again.
Dont forget Tony zale/Rocky Graziano triolgy of battles
Robinson vs.Lamotta series
Duran vs.Barkley
Hagler vs.Hearns]
Hagler vs.antuofermo 1
Monzon vs.Valdez 2...........Are You Talking all time Title Fight Or ALL middles...?
Pavlik Is Going To Make alot Of Noise And Great Tv While Hes Around.I Dont Think Taylor Will Again Claim championship.
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
All I can say is that.. this is what championship fights are made of. Not that chicken shiet fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr is handing the fans.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. should not be known as the pound for pound fighter. They should change his title to pound for pound best defensive ring person or something like that.
If you people think Mayweather/Hatton will be anything like this you phukers need to wake up something fast.
And to all you d1ck heads who say I am obsessed with Floyd Mayweather Jr, you are wrong. I am dissapointed in you people who think he is all that when he is not.
Again change his title to capt defence or something and I can live with that. I can not live with him being called the best and better than Ray 1 or 2.
Miss me with that fake title. Specially when he took belts from washed up fighters who were way past their primes. PBF accussed Hatton of fighting guys who were old? That is about as bad as "The Pot Calling The Kettle Black".
Hey idiot, do you know anything about boxing?
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It has to be top 5. I'm still too wired and drunk to think clearly through all of the fights, but this is right up there with Hagler-Hearns in my book. Maybe better in terms of pure action and a guy just showing unbelievable guts. I thought Pavlik was gone in the 2nd. His head was on a swivel and got up dazed with half the round left. To come back and score a knockout after that is just the stuff of legend. There's a rematch clause, and I look forward to it. I could definitely see Taylor taking the rematch if he fights more relaxed. He seemed to get too anxious at times and waste punches.
Anyway, enough of my rambling....where do you guys see this as an all-time fight? I'm about to watch it again.
Dont forget Tony zale/Rocky Graziano triolgy of battles
Robinson vs.Lamotta series
Duran vs.Barkley
Hagler vs.Hearns]
Hagler vs.antuofermo 1
Monzon vs.Valdez 2...........Are You Talking all time Title Fight Or ALL middles...?
Pavlik Is Going To Make alot Of Noise And Great Tv While Hes Around.I Dont Think Taylor Will Again Claim championship.
I was talking all-time mideleweight fights. You named some good ones. It's too bad not all of the LaMotta/Robinson-Zale/Graziano battles are on tape for comparison, but by all accounts those were some great ones. I'd say Pavlik-Taylor goes above the St. Valentine's Day Massacre just because the latter was a one-sided butt-kicking, entertaining but too one-sided for me to put ahead of Saturday's classic. I'd also put it ahead of Hagler-Antuofermo I. Hagler-Hearns and Duran-Barkley were probably better. I have not seen Monzon-Valdez II, thanks for the tip.
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it was a gud'un for sure and unlike my fav of them all Hagler v Hearns , the guy i wanted to win won in Pavlik :)
Unlike when the marvelous one beat my hero Tommy Hearns
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There have been many great fights in the history of boxing. Pavlik-Taylor would be proud to be mentioned in with them. I agree it was one of the best fights I have seen in many many years. Props to both fighter. I personally would have that fight in the top ten.
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If he can capture Strum's and Abraham's belts he will be a legend. That happening if he defeats Taylor in the rematch.
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Heres some that I personally think are amongst the best.
Campas vs. Duddy
Monzon vs. Benvenutti I
McClellan vs. Jackson I
Hagler vs. Duran
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Heres some that I personally think are amongst the best.
Campas vs. Duddy
Monzon vs. Benvenutti I
McClellan vs. Jackson I
Hagler vs. Duran
Jackson vs McClellan is a good one forgot about that.
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Heres some that I personally think are amongst the best.
Campas vs. Duddy
Monzon vs. Benvenutti I
McClellan vs. Jackson I
Hagler vs. Duran
I had Campas winning that match by a several rounds. how did you have that one mate?
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Heres some that I personally think are amongst the best.
Campas vs. Duddy
Monzon vs. Benvenutti I
McClellan vs. Jackson I
Hagler vs. Duran
I had Campas winning that match by a several rounds. how did you have that one mate?
I had it Campas by 2 rounds. :)
I'll never forget that night I think we all watched it on a live feed that Danny_G provided a link for... :)
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Heres some that I personally think are amongst the best.
Campas vs. Duddy
Monzon vs. Benvenutti I
McClellan vs. Jackson I
Hagler vs. Duran
Jackson vs McClellan is a good one forgot about that.
To think Jackson was wining the fight (at least in my card he was) and then BAM!
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I had Campas winning by 2 aswell the scorecards were ridiculous 117-111 for Duddy ::**
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Heres some that I personally think are amongst the best.
Campas vs. Duddy
Monzon vs. Benvenutti I
McClellan vs. Jackson I
Hagler vs. Duran
Jackson vs McClellan is a good one forgot about that.
To think Jackson was wining the fight (at least in my card he was) and then BAM!
I remember a low blow in the 5th round and that seemed to fire Gerald up when he got up Jackson landed hard overhand right then Gerald comeback with his own right hand an even better one then left hook almost sent Jackson through the ropes that was brutal.
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I had Campas winning by 2 aswell the scorecards were ridiculous 117-111 for Duddy ::**
Duddys mum would not have it that lopsided , this day and age, a fighter need to settle the score before the closing bell. some of these judges too busy watching the ring card girls. 8)
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Duddys a nice guy, a good fighter and a pretty inspirational fellow, but even i dont think he's ever going to reach the elite.
Andy Lee is our best Irish Hope. Iv said that from day 1!
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Heres some that I personally think are amongst the best.
Campas vs. Duddy
Monzon vs. Benvenutti I
McClellan vs. Jackson I
Hagler vs. Duran
Jackson vs McClellan is a good one forgot about that.
To think Jackson was wining the fight (at least in my card he was) and then BAM!
I remember a low blow in the 5th round and that seemed to fire Gerald up when he got up Jackson landed hard overhand right then Gerald comeback with his own right hand an even better one then left hook almost sent Jackson through the ropes that was brutal.
For me McClellan could have been an ATG middleweight.
