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i just felt JT wasnt aggressive enough thru the middle rounds, he kept throwing flurries only when he got back against the rope. it just didnt look like he wanted to knock him out.
on the other hand, Pavlik kept coming and coming and eventually caught JT.
what do you guys think?
He had his chance in the second round but he wasn't accurate enough and allowed Pavlik to hold and recuperate. If you get a guy that hurt, it's time to shorten up on the punches and throw straight. You have to be able to go for the kill when you have the chance. Watch some early mike tyson videos, if you want to see killer instinct.
he gameplan of just countering did work out..he has looked tentative since the hopkins fights..... And i think the fact that he could NOT finish pavlik off must of frustrated him to hell.
If he was a better fighter he would have finished Pavlik off, he had plenty of time. Aside from that round Taylor looked awful. He was constantly backing himself up and going to the ropes, which is never smart especially against a puncher with a reach advantage. I have to admit I was wrong about Pavlik. I gave him little chance but he proved he has all the championship qualities tonight and should be proud.
He looked like he punched himself out at the end of round 2! After that, it looked as though he was content to box to a decision! Which I think he was well on his way to doing! But the boxing gods smiled on us, and gave us Pavliks sweet right hand!
Jermaine hung onto his amatuer trainers way too long. If Manny had been able to start training him 7 or 8 years ago, I believe we'd see a much more patient and skilled fighter who "could" end fights like this using skill, timing, placement and punch selection. However, jermaine has had lots of trouble listening to manny and adapting to the style that manny wants him to fight, and its all because it came too late in his boxing career, JT is a prime example of how important it is for a young fighter to have the right people in place to help them reach their full potiental. Becasue JT made the move to manny so late, I'm afraid we will never see what hetruly could have been
It's not all training. The boxer must possess the ability of awareness and adaptability in the ring. The trainer can only do a little bit. Good luck is also part of sports that trainers can't provide. In order to succeed in any sport you have to consistently have good luck on your side. Not to say raw talent and skill is not important, but skill alone will not make you a winner.
it was a great fight, j.t could of ended it but he didn't. pavlik survived and he caught j.t with a bigger punch. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE REMATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He obviously had his chance to knock him out, I still can't figure out how he didn't knock him out in the 2nd
taylor EXCEEDED his abilities tonight...
and he STILL got KTFO
YES!Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
words right outta my mouth.
taylor looked alot different that in his last few fights. Actually moved forward a bit more. But still got starched.
I'm not taking anything away from Pavlik's performance because that was a great showing of heart and skill, but the fight should've ended in round 2. That refree was extremely slow to break the clinch. Pavlik had a hell of a night though coming back and beating the hell out of Jermain. I call for a rematch i think that was a great fight.
Taylor had him in deep shit in the second, what heart from Pavlik to come back after being wobbled so hard.
This reminds me of Cotto/Judah. Even if Cotto had not hit Judah in the v@gina, Cotto would have still whooped that azz like he did.
Just because you have a man dazed does not mean they are done. Cotto never even went down for a count. Pavlik was not only knocked down, he was dazed out on his feet and queer streeting.
I will just laugh at FrozenStupid for thinking a low blow can change a fight so bad that it will cause a champion to lose.
The boy knows nothing about boxing again.
And to Slacker, Smoger is one of the best ref's out there.
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
yo
buddy
have u ever been hit in the groin before...!?!?!?
I have been hit in the groin with a protector and it does not hurt. At least it did not hurt me. The first time Cotto him, it was such a delayed reaction and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
The second shot was right on the money but, why didn't Judah take the 5 minutes allocated if he was in such pain? Think about it. Sure it may sting but it is nothing like getting him in the balls with out any protection at all. That is like wearing a plastic rain coat in the rain and complaining about getting wet. lol You arent really getting wet at all.
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
1 - you get hit in the balls and its USUSALLLY a delayed reaction, i guarentee ive been fuckin chgaepshotted in the nuts morer then anyone else here
2 - FUCKING MIGUEL COTTS BODY SHOT IS NOT GONNA BE STOPPED BY A FUCKING PORTECTOR
When Pavlik was spinning in circles like a ballerina the fight should have been halted and Taylor should have had himself a second round TKO.
well too bad pavlik got up and barley got hit ONCE after the KD between his good defense and taylors SHITTY punch placcement and when taylor got stopped he fell on the floor and didnt get up till like a count of 27 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Kelly was not knocked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
What did you think this was, Manfredo Jr. vs Calzaghe?
Phuk that.
This is why Smoger is the man.
He knows when to stop a fight and when to let a fight continue. Pavlik was willing to get back up. Taylor was out and he never even tried to get up, lol he couldn't because he was out on his azz.
I can't deny that Taylor got his chops busted hard and that I am very, very bitter about it.
Still, looking back Taylor should have thrown a 4 punch combo at the back of Pavlik's head when he was trying to run away in round 2.
Man were we not watching the same fight?? Taylor showed me something tonight! Pavlik has 36 minutes to land his right hand and does it in round 7 and everyone is riding his nuts?! He was getting a boxing lesson up until that point in my opinion. The result was fair in the end what can you do..that right hand was lethal! However, I think if there is a rematch Taylor takes it. That lazy left hand became his demise. I can't believe people are writing Taylor off after this defeat. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
HAHAHQuote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
TAYLOR HAS HIS PREVIOUS 4 LOSSES TO BE ASHAMED OF ;)
Well due to that controversy he had to come into this fight and show championship quality and I think he did that last night. The ONLY thing he did wrong which will haunt him forever is not finish Pavlik off when he had the chance!Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
While Team Taylor thought that Pavlik was custom made for him...they neglected his heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSEVO
The kid has been on the back burner & he boiled tonight. Even Steward was impressed & shocked. Taylor had Pavlik but his heart & chin kept him there. Pavlik was great & he & his team kept it together.
Kelly's corner was superior to Taylor's & money & a famous trainer can't equate to hometown comfort or drive.
Taylor coulda stopped him but Pav's corner pushed him & Pav pushed his way through.
I loved it!
it should also be noted that pavlik was like 70000000000000000000000000000000000000000% above taylor in defensive ability tonight
Man your bias is unreal lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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Originally Posted by Althugz
taylor blocked barely ANYTHING, and pavliks defense is what kept him from being KTFO
and YOUR DAMN RIGHT my bias can be unequalled... but this inst one of thsoe timnesQuote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
im drunk and cheap
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You're telling me Taylor's defence was shit tonight?? He was slipping almost all of Pavliks punches..Most times when Pavlik was connecting was when they both went for the jab. When Pavlik had Jermaine up against the ropes he was hardly touching him. No excuses, congrats to Pavlik. He won it fair and square but watch the match again..
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Originally Posted by Althugz
>:mad
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LOOK AT THAT DEFENSE!!!
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Sal bro that had me in stitches laughing haha have a cc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
So Long Jermain you boring arse cunt.
Taylor has no GAS tank so he looses the rematch anyway !
No it shouldn't that would of been horrible stoppage Pavlik head was clear and he was clinching Taylor did not put enough hurt on Pavlik to warrant a stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Pavlik took some great shot in round 2 and kept on coming. I don't think Talor missed his chance because Pavlik did not give him a chance due to his cast iron chin.
Totally agree Taylor landed plenty but Pavlik held on and also his iron chin survived the onslaught i don't think Taylor missed any chance to be honest it was just Pavlik was smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw
A boxing lesson ?? what the hell ?? Pavlik won 3 rounds no question Taylor was either one point ahead or Pavlik was one point ahead but to say he was giving Pavlik a boxing lesson is nonsense here is the punchstats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Pavlik threw 460 punches landed 180 39 pct.
Taylor threw 369 punches landed 182 49 pct.
Total Jabs.
Pavlik threw 250 landed 80 32 pct.
Taylor threw 207 landed 77 37 pct.
Total Power Punches.
Taylor threw 162 landed 105 and of course most of the power punches landed were in round 2 where he landed 44 i think anyway 65 pct.
Pavlik threw 210 landed 100 48 pct
Hardly a boxing lesson.