A lot of talk has been made about Taylor's reign. Now that it is over, give me your honest opinion.
I'll give mine later.
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A lot of talk has been made about Taylor's reign. Now that it is over, give me your honest opinion.
I'll give mine later.
I dont buy in to the bad mouthing of j.t
i think ouma and spinks were two guys that were hard to look good against, and bhop and winky were two guys impossible to look good against. And that schedule alone, people need to understand is impressive to still remain undefeated afterwards.
what i do agree on is that j.t doesn't seem to fight at his best at all times. He seems to take to much brakes or too little time trying to win like a champion. But i believe the j.t pavlik beat was the j.t we were all waiting for. The bad intentions of j.t just got overcome by the ghost of pavlik.
BAD CHAMPION NO DOUBT, GLAD HE'S DETHRONED ;D ;D ;D
I don't much care for all the bad mouthing either, though Danny G. has a way to make it funny ;D JT is a very good fighter and he had never been down till last night, so it's kind of hard to call him a bum. He'll either let this loss motivate him or he'll quit and be done after a couple more fights. Depends on his true feelings and passion, and how bad he wants to avenge that loss. I see him always being a little leary of PavMan after he k.o.'d him for the 1st time, but I guess time will tell. He does seem to either sit around and do nothing or try too hard to get someone out, too inconsistent much of the time. I look forward to seeing what this loss brings out in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
The way I see it JT has very high regards to himself just seeing his comments and interviews you can just feel the confidence exuding. His ego is hurt and I'm pretty sure he will be back for vengeance, but considering Pavlik is YOUNGER and seems STRONGER and LEARNING it is going to be hard to get that vindication.
Lets look at his last few fights
Hopkins
Hopkins
Wright
Ouma
Spinks
Pavlik
And only one loss ???
I thought eh lost a majority of them but stiull respect is respect so I refuse to call him a bad champion.
Tell me one "top p4p" fighter who fought that kind of opposition back to back to back to back to back recently.
one thing we cant ever say is taylor is a ducker, hes fought the best and beaten some of them, a good champion most definetly
I think Taylor is/was a good champion. He fought the best and actually really impressed me yesterday even in defeat.
I think he will be more popular now actually. He was always a likeably affable guy but the constant criticisms he faced after each successive fight and the murmours that he got a few 'lucky' decisions affected him and made him more angry.
But he's come from a hard working class background, and always represented his home town of Little Rock well.
I hope he can come back, I always liked him as a man and now he's lost the pressure relief may even help him.
He always fought at the level of his opposition. He never seemed to have the heart. He had the skills but not the heart.
ok I'm gonna put my 2cents in now.
Yes, he had great opposition.
No, he was not a bad champion, but.......
He is far from great.
His two fights with Hopkins were more a case of B-Hop letting him win than Taylor beating him. Hopkins just didn't do enough to win.
His fight wis Wright was actually one of his best even though he didn't win but in the end he was just too big and strong for Wright.
The same is true to a larger extent with his next two fights.
I think it was just a matter of time before a true contender would come up and beat him. A young strong fighter that really wanted it. Pavlik was that contender. And he did a great job last night.
The thing is in many respects JT is still very amaturish in his defensive problems with keeping that left low, his going straight back and just not knowing what to do sometimes. His solid chin and great atheticism got him this far but he has got a hole lot to learn.
There is no way you can call him a bad champion. Look at who he has fought. There aren't many people out there that could have done that. No matter how some of his last couple fights looked, he was still the champ. It wasn't pretty, but he stood in there with the top elite fighters of today.
Personally, I am very happy that Kelly won and I am a huge fan of Kelly's, but that fight could have gone either way. I mean JT had Kelly stumbling all around the ring in the 2nd. He was only one shot from Kelly being done. But Kelly showed a hella of a heart.
He won the title by twice beating a fighter who had an all-time record 20 consecutive defense. Then in his first fight after Hopkins, he takes on the toughest guy out there, Winky.
He was a legit middleweight champ who nearly KO'd Pavlik and only lost because of Pavlik's great performance.
This fight is about congratulating Pavlik, not bashing Taylor.
I agree Taylor was good champion even though im Pavlik fan i got to give Taylor his props he done even better than i expected and looked really good he has nothing to be ashamed of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Good NOT Great by any means.
How can you be a bad champion fighting great opposition and be undefeated ?? ok so they were close decision but still Taylor was not a bad champion at all yes he wasn't crowd pleasing but he was not bad champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Well I for one got caught up in all the emotion last night and did quite a bit of bad mouthing of JT, which I kind of regret. He wasn't at all a bad champion, but he reminded me a lot of the Tyson that showed up in Tokyo against Douglas the last few fights. He was on top and it was almost like he felt he was so good that it bored him and working to stay there just didn't really interest him. I think that's why it seemed like he didn't have any heart or that warrior spirit to finish people. He came out a bit sharper last night and maybe this loss will motivate him to really bring his game to another level now.
Hopkins - many believe he lost one and one was a drawQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Wright - a blown up super welterweight with no offense
Ouma - a blown up super welterweight who had no business fighting for the MW championship and now is going all the way down to 147 to fight
Spinks - a blown up super welterweight with no offense
Pavlik - alegit middleweight contender and now THE NEW CHAMP
only reason Taylor ever got the belt is because HBO and the powers that be didn't want to deal with B-Hop anymore. he's over-rated in every possible way.
Yes you are spot on there mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
JT was a poor champ who should never have been given the verdict over Hopkins,
Im glad hes gone , hes boring one paced , and has no stamina :)
his opposition was pretty good . hopkins, wright.thats good
Certainly don't think he was the most skilled champ or the most exciting but he didn't duck anyone so I respect him for that.
Hes been competitive at the top level. but he was never dominant there. He was a lucky and decent champion but unfortunately for him also a forgettable one.
anybody who's stepped in the ring against the likes of hopkins and pavlik needs too have heart. his got plently of it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sexydarin
i feel bad for taylor :'(
he's been in with the best.....and now he cracked >:mad
That is exactly my opinion as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
You got to hand to Taylor that he has had great opposition. Probably better than anyone else in the last couple of years actually. And win-lose-draw he was competitive with these people (including Pavlik). In short, he deserves praise for his results, and he deserves kudos for even taking on these fights.
But, when speaking about his reign as middleweight champ, the problem is he never actually beat a MW contender convincingly and comprehensively. And certainly that should be part of being a great champion as well.
i think taylor has fought decent fighters every fight since hopkins. yeah some of the guys were smaller but they were worthy opponents.
Wow, Some of you are pretty harsh. I think he is a very good fighter with the POTENTIAL to be great. For him to have fought who he has...without cream puffs in between...speaks volumes about what kind of a champion he is/was. Most fighters who have people gush about them early will take the easy route and mostly fight easy fights that make them look good. No matter what you think about his results against Wright, Hopkins, Spinks, etc...he never embarrassed himself against fighters who most people would do anything to duck. I think he came out against Pavlik trying to prove all the naysayers wrong by going all out too soon. It was a great fight. I will wait to see how he responds from this loss before i pass judgment. I thought it was important for him to come and let his hands go against Pavlik...which he did...but a combination of Pavlik's heart and Taylor punching too much...cost him the fight. You can tell a lot about a fighter by how they respond after such a loss. If this fight forces him to train like a madman and really dedicate himself to getting back on top....he has the skill to do it. He definitely has to work on some things and try and relax in the ring. But i think he will come back strong.