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I don't care what happens in Mosley-Cotto or Mayweather-Hatton, there's NO way Pavlik loses Fighter of the Year to anyone. Not one, but TWO knockouts over fighters he was the underdog against, and the second being against a guy who didn't look like he could be KOd at 160, let alone as early as 7.
If Hatton can beat Floyd it will be close for FOTY, but as of now I see PavMan being the MAN right now.
as of now I would give my vote to Pavlik but if cotto knocks out mosley then I belive its a toss up between the two of them as he will have knockouts over a legend and a really talented but inconsistent zab judah
I clearly have underestimated "the Ghost" amazing comeback. That was a great fight. I really hope that Calzaghe vs Kessler will be as dramatic ;)
The difference in Pavlik and Hatton is that Hatton has already established himself as a champion. He beat JLC in dramatic fashion and the Hatton name has been around for a while now. Prior to the Miranda fight Pavlik flew underneath everyones radar . Not too many people even heard of the kid. So that being said what would be more impressive. A guy who has belts and may possible win another fight to the one of the p4p greats while he himself is one of the p4p greats. Or a long shot that no one really heard of scoring three ko's one from a guy who has never been knocked out of ever scene the canvas (Zertuche)
before. Then going on to beat the most intimidating guy(Miranda) in the weight class . Then in conclusion being a Cinderella story by being trained by a asphalt sealer and Knocking out the champ in 7 rounds. That is almost poetic.
Pavlik fighter of the year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU60TcT9lrs
Cotto is probably guy who can challenge Pavlik, and that's only if he Cotto-Mosley is a thrilling fight on par with Taylor-Pavlik.
If Floyd completely destroys Hatton in a round or two, he'd be tough to beat for fighter of the year, but what are the chances of that happening? Not good.
I don't see it as being that clear cut... I mean what if Mosley knocks out Cotto?? That would be one hell of a year for him, coming back into the WW division with a win over Collazo, an excellent fighter, and then beating Cotto... Seeing as he really hasn't had a mega win since DLH some five years ago that would be one hell of a comeback.. Or if Cotto beats him impressivly he could take it... Mayweather is also very much a possibility with having wins over Baldo Oscar and Hatton in the year... Not to mention if Hatton beats him he'd be the likely choice.. For now it's definetly Pavlik and it may stay that way, but there are two fights which could easily change that imo..
If any fighter beats Floyd they become fighter of the year by default imo. I doubt Ricky will do it though so Pavlik must be favourite.
Cotto or Mosely are not THE man in their divisions so a win over each other doesn't put them ahead of Pavlik.
I'd say only Hatton can beat Pavlik for fighter of the year but he won't beat Floyd so it's going to go to Pavlik.
Of course Floyd would have a great argument for being FOTY himself with a win over Hatton to add to his win over Oscar De La Hoya but as we all know he's held to a higher standard than any normal fighters so would probably have to KO Kelly Pavlik to even get considered.
I think Mayweather should deserve it after he beats Hatton soundly. He totally outboxed Oscar(who won 3 or 4 rounds in the fight), and then he will beat Hatton quite badly. He has stepped up his opposition, and clearly deserves it if he can ko Hatton.
Like there was any doubt you weren't going to pick mayweather lol, even though he hasn't had his fight yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
If Hatton beats Mayweather the he will be fighter of the year no doubt as Mayweather is world #1. If Mayweather beats Hatton convincingly he will be fighter of the year as beating Oscar and Hatton is special. If Cotto Ko's Mosley the he will be fighter of the year if Mayweather wins a boring UD but if Mosley wins the Pavlik will be as i dont really rate Collazo hes been hyped up as he pushed Hatton but that was due to Hatton being out of his depth weight wise.
I didn't think Mayweather deserved it last year, and I don't think he deserves it yet this year. If Pacquaio's fight with Morrales had been a month or two later I think if he beats Barrera he would deserve again no question. Pavlik however hasn't done anything all that impressive to me, Taylor shot himself in the foot, and Miranda was overhyped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Beating an old Barrera who he already beat and is the hot favorite to beat Barrera again makes him fighter of the year ?? unless i read it wrong and you mean if he had beat Morales for 3rd time in 2007 and Barrera in 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
And as for your Pavlik comments that sounds like sour grapes to me.
Because there's atleast 5 fighters ahead of him who have already done more than him and they all have upcoming fights to make their lead even greater.
Actually there are no fighters who have 'already' done more than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Pavlik destoyed the number one middleweight contender in the world, and then destroyed the number one middleweight in the world.
Correct me if I'm wrong but no other fighter has acheived more than that already this year, if so who? ???
Now Ricky has a shot IF he beats the p4p number 1 in the world in Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd has a shot IF he beats the undisputed lightweight champ in Ricky Hatton to add to his victory over 154 champ and all time great Oscar De La Hoya.
But tell me who are the five who have 'already' done more than Pavlik because I can't think of one. ???
A dark horse though could be Mormeck if he beats Haye, beating the undisputed champ Bell and number one contender in the same year would be a big feat.
No he should not! Mayweather was established and Pavlik came out of nowhere. He exceeded everyones expectations and came out golden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Ok pavlik fans, make up your mind. Most of you considered miranda an unknown, pavlik beat him. Then you say taylor is a chump, so if that is true your great fighter just beat a chump. So, in those two fights, if he beat the unkown and they took out the chump......what exactly has he done to even be mentioned as a fighter of the year candidate? I dont think Miranda or Taylor are chumps, I think both could possibly beat Pavlik in rematches, but you pav fans say they are chumps. You cant have it both ways, either your fighter beat two great fighters which would qualify him for fighter of the year or he beat chumps which would qualify him for "I've done nothing of the year", you cant have it both ways. If hes fighter of the year, I want to start hearing from pav fans how taylor is great and it took a great fighter in pav to beat him, if you cant do that then shut up about fighter of the year, cause if taylor is not great himself, then pavlik did nothing special and deserves no consideration, make up your minds, stop twisting it to meet your needs.
Taylor is not a chump, chumps dont beat legends like hopkins and draw with great technical boxers like Winky. Pavlik did a great job taking out Taylor after almost getting KOed he deserves a lot of credit. Miranda wt great wasn't a chump either but he was all that. Pavlik has a shot at FOTY dependig on how the other fights go.
I'm all for pavlik being fighter of the year, IMO, he beat a great middle weight champ in taylor. But if you read what most pav fans here are saying, in one breath they mention how great pav is, in the next they say how taylor was just a paper champ. I watched that fight and what I saw were two great warriors not running not dodging just laying it all on the line.
Mayweather's win over Hatton will give him his second Fighter of the year award.
you are probably rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
What does being established have to do with fighter of the year? All that matters is you do more for boxing, and you do more as a boxer. Beating a former #1 p4p fighter who is way bigger than you, then beating a guy who is the universal 140 pound champion and on the top ten p4p list is bigger than what Pavlik has done. Oscar is way better than Miranda or Taylor, and Hatton certainly is better than Miranda, and probably better than Taylor p4p.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Collazo, an excellent fighter? Let's not go overboard here. The guy's decent, let's leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Collazo's only a name because he gave Hatton a tough fight he was unheard of before Hatton fight he only has wins over.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Jose Antonio Rivera
Miguel Angel Gonzalez Who was old and way past his best.
Collazo is a goodish fighter at best.
Disagree with almost everything said here. 1st of all, Oscar was never #1 p4p, and most importantly, take a look at the guys who've previously won fighter of the year, it's almost NEVER the #1 p4p fighter in the world because it's less impressive to win when you're favored than to win when you're the underdog. That's why Glen Johnson won a couple of years back. Floyd's only win came the year he crushed Diego Corrales, and that was a pick'em fight according to Vegas odds. Pavlik was expected to lose to both Miranda and Taylor, and he didn't just win, he knocked them both the f@ck out, and most importantly, breathed life back into the middleweight division which suffered tremendously the past few years largely due to Taylor's lackluster bouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Well at least Pavlik wins came form him beating those guys in their prime and doing it well
Weren't the odds on Taylor-Pavlik pretty close, and I know a lot of people who thought Pavlik was going to beat Miranda. Personally I hadn't seen Pavlik until that fight, but I knew that Miranda was overrated from other fights. Also Oscar was p4p champ after he beat Pernell Whitaker because Roy wasn't doing anything impressive. Also Pacquaio won last year and he was ranked #2, and started the year at #3 p4p.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Also its not just Floyd, Look at what Cotto's done, Or Mosley whichever wins that fight should be ahead of Pavlik because they've foughten better opposition. What about Williams beating the "feared" Margarito decisively.
Good shit Bilbo, very nice :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Now I'm going to do a bit of a flip flop. A couple days ago, I said Floyd hands down.
But given the nature of Pavlik's 2 fights this year, both being impressive FOTY canidate wins over highly regarded opponents, I'm going to change my mind on this.
I figured, cruising to a win versus 2 world champion fighters would be enough for Floyd to win easily but that's not really the case anymore I don't think. He is really going to have to impress to win now.
Miranda was the hot favorite in Pavlik fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Oscar's never held the top slot in the pound 4 pound rankings. You can go back and look at Ring Magazine archives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Pavlik had 3 fights this year
Zertuche a guy who never even tasted the canvas before, he put to sleep on his feet. (IMO KO of the year)
Miranda was wide spread to beat the crap out of Kelly and Kelly dominated the entire fight and put him to sleep
Taylor, the reconized Middleweight champion and in the top ten of most P4P lists and he was put to sleep.
Three guys that have never been stopped until they got in the ring with Pavlik.
And none of these guys are bums or chumps.
A lot of people here called Kelly an overhyped great white hope till now. I think he has proved himself to be reconized for the nomination at least.
i think defeating oscar de la hoya, and ricky hatton in on year beats miranda and jt?
at the time mayweather fought oscar i do not think is as good as betting jermain who was a undfeated champion and the main man in the middle wieght divison which is stronger then the light middle weight division
its not just who you beat, it is how you beat them...Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVID TUA
Mayweather won a SPLIT DECISION over a a guy he was expected to win.... and he hasnt even fought hatton yet..
pavlik ko'd to guys that were suppose to beat him.... THAT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.....
taylor, a guy who has never even really been hurt, got knocked unconscience.....
DLH got ko'd by B-hop, B-hop couldnt even beat JT... I dont see how anyone could see that(DLH-Floyd) as a more empressive victory than (pavlik-taylor)
hardly anyone even liked the DLH-Floyd fight,
Pavlik-Taylor was one of the best middle-weight championship fights ever... that is another huge thing voters look for in their decision for FOY
Alot of what people look for in fighter of the year is excitement and how they win like said before me Oscar at his age and in a weak division was not as Impressive of a win as a Taylor who is young in prime undefeated to me that is a better win
Not all about what there whole career has been it is about how good they were when they fought them in beat them that is what i mean when i say that Jermain was the man to beat and was a better win then Oscar if you get what i am saying guys