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I would love to see how Pavlik would do against Hopkins. I think Hopkins still has the footwork to keep the distance, however Pavlik does have good accuracy and has a knack for landing punches. Either way, it would be nice for Bernard to in a sense get back the title he should have gotten back in the second fight with Taylor.
Pav is 25 and Hopkins is in his 40's. Pavlic would outwork Hopkins for a decision. Would like to see it though.
Hey I thought Winky would out work Hopkins, and I thought Tarver would as well, and both of them have faster feet and hands than Pavlik. Hopkins didn't looked as old as HBO made him out to be in the fight against Winky, for that matter neither did Winky would fought very well that night as well.
Winky was not as effective at Lightheavyweight he had never fought at Supermiddleweight let alone Lightheavyweight and as for Tarver he fought like a joke in Hopkins fight hardly throwing anything it was like he just gave up and admitted defeat very early in the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Hopkins needs to retire hes fucken boring! A while back I said I had it with Hopkins, Winky & JT fighting their shitty! fights..... This time around JT earned my respect for FIGHTING Pavlik. Winky & Hopkins would never go out of their elements and FIGHT someone 'cause they get sparked out.
If Team Pavlik are smart they would pass up on Hopkins & Winky if the fights were offered neither fighter has anything to offer in the ring both shitty! boring fighters whom I've lost my patience with. Pavlik should move on to better things he has AAbraham, Sturm & Duddy. 3 very interesting fights and all with REAL fighters who would climb through the ropes to fight.
That is just such a silly comment. I mean come on. Hopkins and Winky are afraid to "FIGHT" because they might get sparked out.. Gee, how'd Taylor do against Pavlik this weekend again?? Oh yeah he got KTFO. But Winky and Hopkins are shitty because they don't want to get sparked out so they box. Yeah what morons. Come on, Pavlik vs Winky or Hopkins would be very interesting fights.. Just because Hopkins and Winky didn't match up well doesn't mean neither of them have anything to offer the sport any longer.. How can you find Hopkins totally boring? He's a masterful boxer who knows every trick in the book, sure his pace has slowed a good deal with old age but you have to still appreciate his skills and ring smarts. Who else is Pavlik going to face anyways if not Taylor.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Yeah Hop and Wright are great fighters, though I get bored watching Hop these days{the Wright fight was pitiful IMO because Hop just held all night}, but Hop is a legend and Wright will be or already is. I just don't see the benefit of Kelly fighting them, especially Hopkins, cause if he wins everyone would just say he beat an old man, maybe the same for Wright too. But yeah, there isn't much out there for Pavlik other than Taylor again or some prospects like Allan Greene. I just want the rematch with Taylor 1st and then see what happens.
BOring? Maybe you should acknowledge skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Well whatever anyone says,and even though I respect them both,Hopkins v Winky was a horrible,ugly fight. Neither fighter looked particularly impressive. As for B Hop Kelly,I don't think Hopkins would take this fight. He's looking for bigger paydays ie v JC?
Winky would get knocked out by Kelly and I say this as someone who respects Winky's accomplishments.
Hopkins wouldn't go near Pavlik with a barge pole.
Why would he fancy a fight with a guy half his age when he can still sell fights, that he can win, against fellow geriatrics?
He's always been smart picking his fights.
;D ;D ;D ;D #You really thiNK B Hop is "smart" picking his fights?Elaborate please? I ask becaue its not the first time I've heard that but I've never understood why ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Well, I don't want to rip Hopkins record apart ;)...He's a smart guy, just look at the time he made the Tarver and Winky fights. Look at who his two best wins at Middle are....Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Your totally right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Why would Pavlik fight as catch weight ?
Hes just won the glamour title (middle) he can become a good champion in a REAL division ,
are you listening Joe "thejoke" Calzaghe who i believe if he beat kessler , has lined up my Granma as his fight after that !!!! and thats a big if
GO KESSLER
I honestly hope Pavlik doesn't stay at middleweight. Who's he going to fight there, barring a rematch with Taylor which is obviously one to watch. The only other good fight for him at 160 would be against Abraham. That's one Id really like to see, but I doubt it will happen and if so Id make Pavlik a solid favourite anyways. But if he moves up to SMW as he has talked about, there's a ton of exciting fights he could land. The winner of Kess Calzaghe, a number of up and coming guys like Inkin, Froch, Bute, Pascal, etc.. Maybe Lacy if he comes back, or Winky, Hopkins should they show interest in fighting him at SMW..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Um... Everybody thought he would lose to Tarver pretty much. There is no reason Bernard can't win this fight if you've watched him at all in his last two fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I seem to be in a minority here but I'd love to see the Nard in with Kelly Pavlik.
Furthermore those who are saying that Hop would be scared to fight him have short term memories.
Wehn Hopkins fought Taylor, Jermain was being hyped as the next big thing and Hopkins was given a load of credit beforehand for taking that first fight.
BHop will do whatever makes him the most money and does his legacy best.
I'm sure he'd love to fight Pavlik for the middleweight title again but to be honest he probably couldn't make that weight any more.
Nonetheless I;m 100% sure that if Pavlik wanted to fight Hop and the money was right Hopkins would be 110% up for it.
A classic matchup of wiley malsteful old boxer vs young powerful puncher.
A classic old school fight.
CC to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
It's silly to you.
Winky & Hopkins USED TO be masterful skilled fighters now they just pretty much go in the ring and fucken ballroom dance.
I USED TO appreciate their skill, I USED TO be entertained.
I just had it with them, I'm no longer entertained and honestly I no longer see this 'Masterful Skill' you speak of. I just won't bother with them it almost seems like they are content to just go with the drift of a fight not really doing much just punch, hold, punch stand there, punch wait....
Well if you've followed Taylor career from the begining you'll know he used to be fighter he would come out swinging and looking for the fight looking for a KO he had some devastating KO's and what looked to be good power. Then he just switched it up all of a sudden, so if Taylor got KO'd this weekend it wasn't cause he decided to fight but because Pavlik hits like a fucken mule kicks..... Pavlik would have caught him regardless even when Taylor decided to use his skill Pavlik still managed to find a way to land that right hand. Same thing Hopkins he USED to be fighter he used to look for the KO he always came in to fight and now that he's old and past his best he just boring. IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I ain't knocking on what he USED TO do and the things he ONCE did. I'm knocking the Hopkins of today who's slow (as you yourself mentioned) who possibly hugs more often then he throws a punch. His ring smarts USED TO be good when he followed a clinch with a good punch or turned his shoulder and came up with a uppercut. Now it's hug and just wait 'till the ref. breaks them up....Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Well since you asked...Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
He could face AAbraham who's the IBF Champ. and has been talking about coming to the states to fight.
Theres also Sturm the WBA Champ. I think theres less of a chance with him BUT he's still there as an opponent.
Shit! In all honesty I would much rather see Pavlik fight Karmazin then Hopkins & Winky at least I'll know I'll be in for a good fight. Karmazin comes to fight and trade. One thing to think about is Karmazins never been down hin his career.....
p4pking look, this might be just me but I just had it with them Winky & Hopkins I'm just not interested anymore....
Who here think's Pavlik can spark out Karmazin?
Well i would have to cc you cut because you made a lot of good points and the last fight with Winky and Hopkins was lame
And i do not know much about the fighter you just listed you have vids on him by any chance
In his last two fights ?? oh you mean fighting the natural Lightmiddleweight who had never fought above Middleweight but fought Hopkins at Lightheavyweight plus it was a bad fight and quite alot of people thought Winky had won it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
As for Tarver like i said he fought like a joke and give up early in the fight he basically gifted Hopkins the fight because he didn't want to fight.
Heres CC#33 on me Mr140.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I mean I'm not hating on Winky or Hopkins, I just don't see it in them anymore at least from what I've seen from them as of late.
Roman Karmazin came on the scene when he beat the then favourite Kassim Ouma for the IBF Light Middle title in '05. I think is when the fight took place it was showcased on 'Boxeo De Oro' on HBO:Latino. He then for his 1st defense took on Cory Spinks it what some people say was a bad decision a handful of people thought Karmazin won and a couple of people thought Spinks won. I myself scored the fight even the 1st time when I saw it then I saw it a second time and scored it for Karmazin. He's fighting Alex 'Terra' Garcia next should be a very interesting fight since A LOT is riding on this fight for 'Terra' and also for Karmazin cause he wan't to prove that the Kassim win and the Spinks loss werent all he had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Mr140 I couldn't find any footage of Karmazin I'll try and put something up if I find the time. :)
Thanks for trying cut you seem to know were to get it if not ice seems to know were to find it
I tried several places no results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
And i do not know were every gets the idea of winky winning because i do not because he is getting old and his best wins over Mosely who should not even been fighting at LM i mean Winky at higher weights record is not very good at all compared to when he was a Lm he was way better but i think if he faces Kelly he is out gun He lacks in age, reach, height, punch put out and power i think he loses by UD or knocked out in 11 or 12
And as far as Bernard goes his best wins besides Taver have been against Blown up middle weights and i not saying he is not good 20 defences are great but look at his best wins and as far as what i think Pavlik wins by late KO at this age i do not think Bernard can last actual i hope they do fight so he can retire bernard and we can get some new blood in the boxing world time for the younger stars get the old dogs out of the ring
wow ;D
i would love to see this fight asap!!
wonder if hopkins slick defence and pot shots can get pavlik out of there O0
Hopkins didn't think he'd lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Tarver was coming off looking utter shit beating Jones and messing around with his weight to make a Hollywood movie.
In the past 6/7 years Hopkins has fought one guy in his 20s, in his prime, and lost twice.
Tarver did not gift the fight to Hopkins,Tarver tries to use a pawing jab to find his range,allways hasQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Hopkins took it away from him.Tarver couldnt find his range and couldnt load up,which is what he wanted to do.
That being said,I really wish B-hop would just retire
I think that we're getting greedy here. We're taking too much from boxing at the moment with all of these superfights, particularily with this catchweight business.
People slated Taylor for demanding a rematch clause at Supermiddle, saying that this would do the Middleweight division no good, having the champ and the no.1 contnder fighting at a different weight.
I feel for Kellys long term career and the good of the middleweight division he has to defend at middle and build up his career before division hopping.
I don't think Pavlik is a natural middleweight though, he's huge. He's taller than Calzaghe and he struggles to make 168 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I think Pavlik will be fighting at light heavy maybe even cruiser before his career is over.
Height doesn't necessarily mean, being huge. Pavlik is very slender. Look how long Hopkins stayed at middleweight only being one inch shorter. If Pavlik does the right conditioning there is no need for him to change divisions just because he's tall... I mean Paul Williams is almost his height, and fight at 147, and that guy in the ufc is 6'4 or something and fighting at 155.
Yes but if he's that slender and only just makes weight imagine when he fills out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It's guys like Jeff Lacy who are really small for their weight, loads of largely unnecesary muscle mass.
Pavlik is like a less extreme version of Paul Williams shapewise, he could easily make 175 now.
Remember Hopkins was not really a natural middleweight, he stayed there to dominate the division through relentless running and diet regimes. Size wise he's almost as big as Chad Dawson
I'd prefer to see Hopkins fight Dawson or Erdei. Pavlik still has business @ 160 with Abraham & possibly Wright.
Who does the winner of Calzaghe/ Kessler target now? Hopkins or Pavlik?
I think Hopkins could STILL pick Pavlik apart from the outside and tie him up on the inside. Pavlik is not hard to hit, but its true also that with his 6'2" frame, if you are close enuff to be hitting him, you are also close enuff to be getting hit and he hits fukin HARD. It'd be a good fight. I'd love to see Pavlik fight Abraham or Sturm, preferably Abraham though. But Duddy?! Come on Mick, you know better than that, Duddy is not even in the top ten, he'd get taken apart by Pavlik in 1 or 2 rounds, no doubt in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I agree Hulk; Duddy doesn't last long in there with Pavlik. Abraham is the guy I think should be next! A Taylor rematch is also worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
As for Sturm though I think he's got a lot on his hands with Griffin. I pick Griffin to pull the upset there.
I'd love to see the fight, but I don't see much upside for Pavlik beyond the payday. If he beats Hopkins--and especially if he knocks him out--people will say, 'well, Hopkins is an old man' and he won't get much credit. He'd probably end up with people complaining about him like they did with Taylor if he only won a close decision.
It's no lose for Hopkins, though. A loss won't hurt his legacy, it will just be a case of age catching up with him in the minds of most; on the other hand, a win over a 25 year old star in the making like Pavlik would really add a little something extra to his legacy. And, you know something, if the fight were to come off it would not surprise me in the least if Hopkins pulled it off.
Think we might see Hopkins get old in that fight and Winky neither of them are spring chickens and each are way older then Pavlik is but if he knocks them out in a huge way i think he might get credit right now Abraham, Taylor and Stern or Griffen are the fights to happen and better for his legacy
I was impressed with Kelly against JT, but we have yet to see him in a fight with a great defensive/technical fighter like Winky or Bhop. I think he'd be able to carry his power to 175 and still be dangerous. If Bhop didn't look old overnight than I wouldn't be suprised for him to fight his typical style and eke out a SD. It would really depend on the judges. Do you give more points for Kelly coming forward and throwing alot of punches therefore controlling the round, or for Bhop making Pavlik look amateurish at times and pot shotting him? Either way Winky or Bhop would provide a level and style that I don't think Kelly has seen and it would be interesting to see how he handles it. As far as legacy goes I think Kelly would be better served fighting the Calzaghe/Kessler winner.