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The detail that most people are missing with the Knockdown..
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
I noticed that aswell the main reason Pavlik got caught because he was taunting Taylor i was impressed with Pavlik's defence except for the 2nd round of course i agree aswell with your other statement i don't think Pavlik has suspect chin Miranda hit Pavlik with very hard right hands and couldn't even move Pavlik and them punches Taylor caught Pavlik with would of stopped most Middleweight's.
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I dont care what anyone thinks...Pavlik was hurt. You could see it in his eyes when he was in the corner, he did good to hold on and get through that round. I dont think he will be doing that stupid shit anytime soon...look what it got Mayorga...KTFO.
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Originally Posted by No Contest
I dont care what anyone thinks...Pavlik was hurt. You could see it in his eyes when he was in the corner, he did good to hold on and get through that round. I dont think he will be doing that stupid S*** anytime soon...look what it got Mayorga...KTFO.
You're hopefully right - clowning is always dangerous, and I think he learned something there, for sure! I thought he was in the "shaking it off" process in the corner after the round, though. He got a pat on the head, gave assurances that he was OK, then went out and won the next round (IMO). I don't think he was hurt seriously - just enough to rattle his cage and get him back on track.
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He was more in trouble with his legs going spaghetti on him, he flopped around holding on for dear life. His head was clear by the end of the round if you asked me. If Taylor was more patient with his shots, he could have definately ended it in that round. Some refs see you flopping around like that and will stop it real quick when your taking shots.
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Originally Posted by No Contest
He was more in trouble with his legs going spaghetti on him, he flopped around holding on for dear life. His head was clear by the end of the round if you asked me. If Taylor was more patient with his shots, he could have definately ended it in that round. Some refs see you flopping around like that and will stop it real quick when your taking shots.
Very true! That's one thing I like about Smoger - he'll give you the benefit of the doubt, even though he stepped in as soon as Taylor went down. I was pretty concerned about Taylor, actually - that last shot looked like it made him go limp :(
...and no comments from the peanut gallery ;)
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I did notice him smiling a bit and talking after getting hit even after that but not as blatantly and didn't completely leave himself open. Still might need to chill out a bit.
I think he has a good chin but its not one of those rock solid chins, not a liability though. Showed a good ability to recover quickly.
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If I remember it correctly, I think he stuck his chin and tongue out at Taylor in the 5th or 6th round also. :lickish:
I am hoping I am wrong on this. Can anyone confirm?
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
I dunno mate, i think he got more than his attention with a couple of shots, he looked a bit hurt, but yeah you are right about him trying to clown on taylor and getting smacked for it, + it was more at on the temple than chin, just screwed with his equwalibrium(Sp) for a bit as well as hurting him..
I laughed to my self when i see the thread about pavlik having a suspect chin, didn't even bother opening it 'coz its such bullshit, he took mirandas best and only looked to be a lil shook up about once or twice form killer blows.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
I noticed that aswell the main reason Pavlik got caught because he was taunting Taylor i was impressed with Pavlik's defence except for the 2nd round of course i agree aswell with your other statement i don't think Pavlik has suspect chin Miranda hit Pavlik with very hard right hands and couldn't even move Pavlik and them punches Taylor caught Pavlik with would of stopped most Middleweight's.
Those punches couldn't even put Ouma down though.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
I noticed that aswell the main reason Pavlik got caught because he was taunting Taylor i was impressed with Pavlik's defence except for the 2nd round of course i agree aswell with your other statement i don't think Pavlik has suspect chin Miranda hit Pavlik with very hard right hands and couldn't even move Pavlik and them punches Taylor caught Pavlik with would of stopped most Middleweight's.
Those punches couldn't even put Ouma down though.
thats true, but i think Ouma has tremendous HEART especially considering his upbringing and all
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I think part of the reason Pavlik survived and Taylor didn't was that Pavlik held on when he could. Taylor did not.
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I don't know that Taylor could've held on, but if he hadn't been caught in the corner he probably would've gone down before taking as much punishment as he did. Then he might have had a chance to recover, for the moment at least. Being out on his feet, unable to defend himself, and held up by the corner, Smoger had no choice but to step in.
Pavlik was in the middle of the ring were he could go down if he got hurt again, so Smoger was able to give him a chance make it though. I think if Taylor had been a little more patient, and taken a step back at one key moment, he could've at least put him down again.
I'm gonna tape this fight for a friend, so I'll get to watch it again...
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Originally Posted by No Contest
He was more in trouble with his legs going spaghetti on him, he flopped around holding on for dear life. His head was clear by the end of the round if you asked me. If Taylor was more patient with his shots, he could have definately ended it in that round. Some refs see you flopping around like that and will stop it real quick when your taking shots.
Very true! That's one thing I like about Smoger - he'll give you the benefit of the doubt, even though he stepped in as soon as Taylor went down. I was pretty concerned about Taylor, actually - that last shot looked like it made him go limp :(
...and no comments from the peanut gallery ;)
That 2nd right along the ropes had Jermain OUT on his feet.I dont think he was getting up with a twenty count.
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in the second round when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, I don't think Pavlik was taunting him. On the replay, the punch thrown by Taylor before Pavlik made the facial reaction was an elbow and Pavlik was more telling him "what the hell was that?!" than taunting him. And cause of his mid-flurry reaction, Taylor rocked him with shots.
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
in the second round when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, I don't think Pavlik was taunting him. On the replay, the punch thrown by Taylor before Pavlik made the facial reaction was an elbow and Pavlik was more telling him "what the hell was that?!" than taunting him. And cause of his mid-flurry reaction, Taylor rocked him with shots.
I agree. Pavilk is a strong fighter. Good fighter. Fun to watch. But his chin is not strong. It ain't glass. But it's not strong. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time accepting that.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
CC#758 on me JT for mentioning this I brought this up on the Rd. by Rd. thread the other day. See below....
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I just wanted to mention something I'm not sure if it's been brought up or not but was I the only one wishing that Pavlik would get sparked out in that 2nd round for acting like a fucken fool? I mean Pavlik showed his inexperience there when he started sticking out his toungue and trying to mock Taylor, he got away with it the 1st time but then the 2nd time as he had began to make his taunt at Taylor...... BAM!! lights out he got cracked and hurt and dropped. For the fight I was rooting for Pavlik I was hoping he'd spark out Taylor but in that 2nd round when he started fucking around it got me pissed off I mean what the fuck are you doing? Your in the single most important fight of your whole career and your up there acting like an idiot fucking around. This level of fighters at this stages are no longer the Zertuches, Zunigas or Mc Karts this is World Class Championship level. You've come along all this way to start sticking your fucking toungue out?
I was telling my friends I said if Pavlik looses this fight by decision it will all ride on that one round, he would have no one to blame but himself for doing something so stupid that almost cost him the fight. I bet you his whole career flashed before his eyes when he went down.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...html#msg680163
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Another thing most people are missing about the knockdown was the effect it had on Taylor.
Taylor hurt him, threw a lot of punches in an attempt to finish him and by the round's closure it was Taylor initiating the holding as if trying to grab a break. JT's engine needs a bigger fuel tank.
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If I remember it correctly, I think he stuck his chin and tongue out at Taylor in the 5th or 6th round also. :lickish:
I am hoping I am wrong on this. Can anyone confirm?
No. He did that in the first round. I think it was the 5th when JT hit him with a couple decent shots, Kelly just shock his head at him to let him know that he cought him a couple times. But he didn't make a face or stick out his tongue, :P
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All I know is Pavlik's dog "knocked dut dawg outta T-T-T-Taylor".
"I got dut dawg in me!"
Heh heh heh. Priceless.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
NO, I disagree, at first yea I thought the same but when I rewatch it over and over I found out that there was a punch before when pavlik tried to make a face that got him stunned.
If you watch before the time pavlik tries to make a face, j.t caught him with a punch and sequels of punches that hurted him then after he avoid the last sequel of punches thats when he tries to makes a face and is caught again, but that time he couldn't shake it off sending him to the canvas.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
in the second round when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, I don't think Pavlik was taunting him. On the replay, the punch thrown by Taylor before Pavlik made the facial reaction was an elbow and Pavlik was more telling him "what the hell was that?!" than taunting him. And cause of his mid-flurry reaction, Taylor rocked him with shots.
I agree. Pavilk is a strong fighter. Good fighter. Fun to watch. But his chin is not strong. It ain't glass. But it's not strong. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time accepting that.
His chin is strong enough. Taylor has the bad chin cus he got knocked the phuk out. Kelly didn't. And Kelly jumped right back up. He never tried to run, he kept coming forward. His chin is good enough. IMO
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IT LOOKED LIKE A NICE LITTLE REMINDER TO TAYLOR THAT KELLY HAS A GOOD CHIN
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IMO Kelly has a strong chin. Maybe not legendary, but certainly up there with the top chins in the sport today.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Taylor got Pavliks attention with a clean shot, slow motion showed that Pavlik put his hands down, stuck out his chin and made a mocking face out of Bravado at Taylor.. Taylor just obliged him and caught him with his guard down when Kelly wasnt braced for the punch and that started the Knockdown sequence...
Kelly brought it on himself and almost lost his opportunity... Kelly has an Helacious good chin, most fighters wouldnt have been able to continue... Not to mention he took the best Edison Miranda had to offer and never waivered and Miranda is considered PFP one of the best punchers and certainly has more power than Taylor
CC#758 on me JT for mentioning this I brought this up on the Rd. by Rd. thread the other day. See below....
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I just wanted to mention something I'm not sure if it's been brought up or not but was I the only one wishing that Pavlik would get sparked out in that 2nd round for acting like a fucken fool? I mean Pavlik showed his inexperience there when he started sticking out his toungue and trying to mock Taylor, he got away with it the 1st time but then the 2nd time as he had began to make his taunt at Taylor...... BAM!! lights out he got cracked and hurt and dropped. For the fight I was rooting for Pavlik I was hoping he'd spark out Taylor but in that 2nd round when he started F****** around it got me pissed off I mean what the F*** are you doing? Your in the single most important fight of your whole career and your up there acting like an idiot F****** around. This level of fighters at this stages are no longer the Zertuches, Zunigas or Mc Karts this is World Class Championship level. You've come along all this way to start sticking your F****** toungue out?
I was telling my friends I said if Pavlik looses this fight by decision it will all ride on that one round, he would have no one to blame but himself for doing something so stupid that almost cost him the fight. I bet you his whole career flashed before his eyes when he went down.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...html#msg680163
:coolclick: back at you.... Believe me I shouting at the TV saying "What The Fuk Are You Doing"
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
in the second round when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, I don't think Pavlik was taunting him. On the replay, the punch thrown by Taylor before Pavlik made the facial reaction was an elbow and Pavlik was more telling him "what the hell was that?!" than taunting him. And cause of his mid-flurry reaction, Taylor rocked him with shots.
I agree. Pavilk is a strong fighter. Good fighter. Fun to watch. But his chin is not strong. It ain't glass. But it's not strong. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time accepting that.
:sadclick: #2 out of 5... Hahaha!! Nice signature ::** ;D
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
in the second round when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, I don't think Pavlik was taunting him. On the replay, the punch thrown by Taylor before Pavlik made the facial reaction was an elbow and Pavlik was more telling him "what the hell was that?!" than taunting him. And cause of his mid-flurry reaction, Taylor rocked him with shots.
I agree. Pavilk is a strong fighter. Good fighter. Fun to watch. But his chin is not strong. It ain't glass. But it's not strong. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time accepting that.
:sadclick: #2 out of 5... Hahaha!! Nice signature ::** ;D
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
in the second round when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, I don't think Pavlik was taunting him. On the replay, the punch thrown by Taylor before Pavlik made the facial reaction was an elbow and Pavlik was more telling him "what the hell was that?!" than taunting him. And cause of his mid-flurry reaction, Taylor rocked him with shots.
I agree. Pavilk is a strong fighter. Good fighter. Fun to watch. But his chin is not strong. It ain't glass. But it's not strong. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time accepting that.
You are wrong. You are just a hater that is in denial. Pavlik has a weak chin. That is a farce statement. Miranda nailed him. Taylor nailed him more time in the knock down that Pavlik nailed him so that means Taylor has a weak chin too. Taylor landed more and couldn't beat him. Quit hating you are not making any sense.
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
in the second round when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, I don't think Pavlik was taunting him. On the replay, the punch thrown by Taylor before Pavlik made the facial reaction was an elbow and Pavlik was more telling him "what the hell was that?!" than taunting him. And cause of his mid-flurry reaction, Taylor rocked him with shots.
I agree. Pavilk is a strong fighter. Good fighter. Fun to watch. But his chin is not strong. It ain't glass. But it's not strong. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time accepting that.
You are wrong. You are just a hater that is in denial. Pavlik has a weak chin. That is a farce statement. Miranda nailed him. Taylor nailed him more time in the knock down that Pavlik nailed him so that means Taylor has a weak chin too. Taylor landed more and couldn't beat him. Quit hating you are not making any sense.
Don't get Riled up thats just VD bein VD
