I just see he got dropped 3 times what the hell ?? so what does this mean for Peters future and i bet Oleg is kicking himself.
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I just see he got dropped 3 times what the hell ?? so what does this mean for Peters future and i bet Oleg is kicking himself.
I think all the heavies are overrated ;D Peter really would have been had he gotten knfo. Has to give some moral boost to McCline though. He needs to get in better condition and it would have been a wrap ;)
The only reason Peter won, is cause McCline has no killer instinct. He should have won that fight...But either way, two guys who never legitimately won the title fighting for the title and giving that kind of performance really shows how poor the division is. No one seems to want it bad enough.
Overrated? Yes, indeed. Always said that:Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
Jeff Lacy
James Toney
Samuel Peter
-are the most overrated boxers in boxing today.
Maybe a little. I dunno though, because people are saying he's the answer. 22 KO's from 29 is not at all bad. He's 27 years old, so has a future ahead of him, and apart from Wlad, I don't see anyone better in the division so I don't think he's overrated, he's the 2nd best in a poor division.
22 out of 29 is good, but who of note has he ever stopped?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
With hardly any amatuer record & the fact that Peter is improving...no he's not overratted...BUT...he needs to remember his fundamentals once cracked.
Everyone needs to remember that bad nights are a common thing in boxing especially if you underestimate your opponent.
I actually think that Oleg would have offered a lot more than mccline.
maybe could have been an upset there. i cant wait to see maskaev again i think hes actually good.
I didnt rate him in the first place
Last night there was not much improvement, if you ask me - floored 3 times by featherfisted JM is not much of an improvementQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Sam Peter was probably just troubled with the WBC, the steroid scandal, and Oleg Maskaev's injury. It's not an excuse that completely takes the blame away from a poor showing but it's understandable.
Sam Peter has never caught my eye as a great fighter, he's a big puncher who throws wide and doesn't pay attention to defense.
A rematch vs Wladimir will have to wait for a long time
Sam Peter would be best served to fight a guy like Calvin Brock in his first defense to show he's back on track, but if he comes out flat he'll be in trouble!
He's not over rated. He had a bad night v Mccline,has been inactive and thought he was fighting for a world title v a guy he wants to KTFO,a guy(Oleg) that has been ducking him. Its understandable that he didn't look good/motivated...
This is really funny stuff right here. Wlad gets dropped three times by peter and everyone will go to no bounds to say that was all heart and not a bad showing as he is clearly the best heavyweight in the world. He got the W, thats all that matters right? Well, anyone who praises wlad for that performance is now in a pickle. Peter did the exact same thing, bad showing with 3 knockdowns but he won the UD. Anyone who thinks wlad is critisized too much for his win over peter is now in no position to blast peter for doing the exact same thing.
Anyways, this doesn't really change the ranking at heavyweight. Wlad's still #1 and trying to get a unification match with about as much conviction as james toney has trying to do something that doesn't hurt his credibility. Bad showing for peter, w/e he's still 2nd. A rematch would be nice just to see things cleared up. The fact that everyone is ducking peter has to mean something. I suppose you could make the case for people ducking wlad too (I dunno if its him or his opponent, but the bottom line is that nothing's hapening). There's always next year for the heavyweights........
Yea you Wlad fans are huge hypocrites, ragging on Peter when your boy has been dropped more than a hot potato... WTF he has to wait a while to fight Wlad??? Yea cause Wlad has more pressing fights ahead like a 10th match with Chris Byrd ::** Peter is the 2nd best heavy and no matter what anyone says he will fight Wlad tomorrow if he could and give 1000000% in the process
Cut the guy a break I havent seen so much controversy around a guy like Peter and its not like the poor bastard brings it on himself
He had to fight Toney 2X
Then Maskaev dragged his feet and delayed the fight, Than Vitali was gonna try to cash in and cause another delay, then Maskaev stalled again then pulled out and then the day before the fight his oppnent had steroid speculation
Peter was badly shaken by featherfisted JM........Wlad was not shaken by SP in the same way, he looked more scared or confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
:coolclick: Good points JT.
You have to get shaken to a certain degree for a 6''7 guy to hit the deck 3 timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Create EB
i just believe he had a bad night. every boxer has one and his was with mccline. nope he is not overated
A bad night getting decked 3 times by a fighter you was supposed to wipe out ?? i call that a disaster.
Not really. A disaster would be losing and then losing his title shot. He got knocked down,looked average but most importantly,won. The W is all that matters. It was a case of look bad,get through this one and look good the next time. If he wins the title from Oleg,this fight will be a distant memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
To be honest Peter isn't that impressive he got a gift against natural Middleweight Toney won the rematch but come on Toney wouldn't even be in top 10 in 90s 80s 70s its just how disgraceful the Heavyweights are now that Toney is even competing at Heavyweight Peter decked Wlad 3 times but they were from back of the head shots other than that he was completey outboxed by Wlad Peter has good power but not devasting like people are trying to say just look at his record 29 wins 22 KO's and has not stopped anyone worth noting and now getting decked 3 times by McCline who isn't known as a hard hitter i think Peter has been overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Well those are interesting pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
HOWEVER
Sam Peter is a well known power puncher and is also known for having a 'great chin' as his fans brag about
Jameel McCline has 23 KO's in 38 wins...and the last time he knocked someone good down was against Calvin Brock or Chris Byrd a couple years ago.
All I know is that Sam Peter's lack of attention to defense will catch up with him sooner since he got hurt in this fight, people thought he had an iron chin and it's just not true, with heavyweights any punch at any time thrown by anybody (except Zuri Lawrence) can end the fight or result in a knockdown.....that being said it was rather surprising that McCline hurt Sam Peter at all.
Wladimir has been hurt plenty of times before but never by a guy like McCline who can't punch very well at all....Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, and hell even Davaryl Williamson and Ross Purrity can punch.
Anyway you slice it the best Sam Peter can get out of this fight is a learning experiance and the knowledge that he can get up and win....other than that it's a piss poor performance by a heavyweight who should have done a lot better....it's the story of the entire division, there is no consistancy which is what makes fans hate the division. The good fighters may or may not fight well, the bad fighters may have the fight of their lives or just fold like a lawn chair, and beyond that the big matchups have not been made and the inconsitancy is a reason for it
If you're 6'7 and get dropped because of "rabbit punches", that's all you.
I Personally dont think hes overrated really.I never expected Freakshow Mccline to drop him 3 times but honestly after that I did not expect Peter to get up and battle back to go full 12 And get the W.
Sounds odd but I dont think that because Mccline put him down and hurt him that Maskaev Would duplicate it.Jameel Was punching Under/up and down with faster shots on Petes glass TEmple.Maskaev slower and wider puncher also not Frickin 6'7 .
And what was he yelling at when punching.thought Chuck F!!! Norris was coming through my door.
Well everyone questions Wladimir's chin....so it was no shock that Sam Peter knocked him down....I'm not making excuses for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
But Sam Peter a guy who USUALLY can take a good shot got floored 3 times by JAMEEL MCCLINE
It's not like Sam was fighting a devistating puncher....props to him for surviving but that doesn't make up for his bad performance
You Wlad haters need to focus on the problems with YOUR BOY and not what Wlad is or isn't doing....don't get all defensive. Sam Peter had a bad night and he's getting called on it like any other fighter
Big sad clickQuote:
Originally Posted by Create EB
What you know about James Toney?
Hell..What you know about boxing?
Its Royal ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Magic Man
Ahh..That would explain random talk of LacyQuote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
;) Nice one ...
McCline is no different from byrd and brock. Wlad's been hurt to the point of losing where as peter has not been yet peter has flaws and wlad is the end all champion? I'm not petitioning for mccline to be in the hall of fame or anything, but like it or not he is the higher end competition of this era (not saying much but thats all there is). Peter would be champion if maskaev would quit ducking him then i'm sure your boy wlad wouldn't even hesitate to unify against peter like he's been crying since he beat byrd back in april of last year ::**. Mccline gave peter a rough time, but he didn't give him a loss. Again i'll remind you that purrity was never anything more than a journeyman. If he was really THAT prolific of a puncher, you'd have to assume he'd have a winning record especially in this heavyweight era.
Peter is a mandatory challenger that is being shamefully ducked by a chump. Wlad is the concensus #1 heavyweight in the world and can't land a unification bout with bums who haven't even defended their title? Peter isn't my boy, I can't say there's any heavyweight in the top 20 right now that I have a whole lot of stock in (it's all about the future there). Peter is decent and better than just about anyone else in the division. He's tougher competition than any of the fringe contenders (or journeyman courtesy of wlad) brought into this conversation. He, just like wlad, isn't an approveable undisputed heavyweight champ to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
#3121 Thanks... I know you are a big Wladdy fan yourself and although I dont like him being the representative for the division, I will say the boy got skills!!! but the thing that nabs me cornhole is that the Majority of his fans are hypocrites and like to down play and excuse every Knockdown, Cut and Stamina issues Klit has, but the minute Peter has trouble he is overrrated and laughed at  ::** I mean Klit fans make me hate him even more cause there FUKIN RETARDED!!!!! REALLY REALLY WETARDED!!!  ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
What I'm wondering about Peter is if he is even a big a hitter as he is made out to be. His biggest knock out to this day has remain the knock out of Jeremy Williams. A small heavyweight with a poor chin. He couldn't knock out the smaller Toney. And he was able to hit Toney. McCline got hit with some shots, but didn't go no where. He can knock out the D level heavyweights. But some C level heavyweights like Charles Shufford and Robert Hawkins have gone the distance with him. And hit Hawkins flush with power shots. I don't see Peter being the monster hitter he's made out to be.
I guess sam is a bit overrated after that mccline fight. I guess sam still can improve but his chin has been expose and isn't the iron we once though after the wlady fight. I agree with violent demise, his also not as big of a hitter his made out to be.
Peter is very overrated and he won't be around much to longer and was exposed by an old washed up, no killer instinct having pu$$y Jameel Mcline . I even thought Peter loss the fight. If he can't get past Mcline he is in a sh#t load of trouble.
I think Peter may have been overratted by some but McCline is a big awkward guy and he caught him with some good shots early.
Peter survived and came back to dominate the second half of the fight. He's still a work in progress and it wasn't his best night but it made for a fun fight.
It's kind of funny that Pavlik got hailed a hero despite being almost KTFO out last week and Peter is overratted for coming back from similar adversity to win this weekend.
I think McCline has been underratted by a lot of people, at 6 ft 5 he's a big guy whose got some decent tools.
Peter will never be a great heavyweight as he's too limited and slow but he's still an entertaining fighter to watch, is doing Africa proud and always gives 100%.
I think he remains one of the biggest threats in the division although I have been saying for months that Tony Thompson is the real threat to wlad in the division.
Thompson has been a nice little roll. But I don't think he has any chance of beating Wlad. I would give him a good chance against Peter. If he can take Peter's shots (which I think he can) than I think he beats him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I think Thompson beats everyone out there apart from Wlad. It completely baffles me how the American media who are desperate to find an American hope completely overlook him. They hype up guys like Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, Chazz Witherpsoon etc and still talk about Rahman, Brewster and Hoylfield when its clear to anyone that realistically none of these guys can unify the divsion or beat Wlad yet Thompson who really does have the size, skill, power and general awkwardness to pose a threat to anybody has to travel to Germany to get fights. ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Although it's probably better for him to slip under the radar without any weight of expectation on his shoulders.
2008 will be a big year for him though. He'll probably start it by ending Evander Holyfield's career.........
What would you call Marquez vs Pacquiao? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
"When I went down I knew I had to stand up." Peter said he did not overlook McCline, but entered the fight with a broken left hand. "Both of my hands were hurting me tonight," he stated. "I am going back home to bring the WBC heavyweight championship back to Africa."
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...VgwSOcJXH.html
I call it a Marquez win. Juan got robbedQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205