A Barrera Topic

Barrera is a hell of a fighter, Hell of a showing and he came damn close to avenging manny's original slaughter of him..

Lasted the distance and put up a great fight..The one score that was 115-112..That was a fair score..

But these judges..Where are they getting these tarts from..Really!?

118-109 twice..

Abvout the same score against marquez when imo Barrera Won the fight on at least 1 or 2 points

To have scored the marquez fight a draw would have been a fair score although the way it was fought it still would have been hard to score a draw

Do these bums of judges not know by now how to score a fight?

Do they not see what is going on or are they just watching barreras opponent in every fight

Do they not think that they're mistakes go into the history books and in 20 years when people hear of the legend that is Marco Antonio Barrera and they look at his record and they say, Well that guy was a hell of a fighter but towards the end of his career he was dominated by both marquez and pac..
But this is not the case..

Barrera has been a warrior and a technician simultaniously throughout his career and some may never know because of judges.. It is quite ridiculous

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Originally Posted by The Magic Man

Barrera is a hell of a fighter, Hell of a showing and he came damn close to avenging manny's original slaughter of him..

Lasted the distance and put up a great fight..The one score that was 115-112..That was a fair score..

But these judges..Where are they getting these tarts from..Really!?

118-109 twice..

Abvout the same score against marquez when imo Barrera Won the fight on at least 1 or 2 points

To have scored the marquez fight a draw would have been a fair score although the way it was fought it still would have been hard to score a draw

Do these bums of judges not know by now how to score a fight?

Do they not see what is going on or are they just watching barreras opponent in every fight

Do they not think that they're mistakes go into the history books and in 20 years when people hear of the legend that is Marco Antonio Barrera and they look at his record and they say, Well that guy was a hell of a fighter but towards the end of his career he was dominated by both marquez and pac..
But this is not the case..

Barrera has been a warrior and a technician simultaniously throughout his career and some may never know because of judges.. It is quite ridiculous

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Good post mate :coolclick: im disappointed my boy Barrera lost but im happy he went the distance and it seems that the fight was closer that what everyone thought it would be i haven't see the fight yet but even though Barrera lost im still Barrera fan 4 life.

Back at you brother..

Barrera imo is one of the very few who's legacy in the eyes of those who have seen it may well be untouchable forever.. He just doesnt stop bieng tip top..

Maybe a large statement but a greatest of all time easily..

And hey..Barrera fans are the best, They appreiciate that little bit more then alot of fans do

Yup us Barrera fans are the best and most loyal ;D

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Originally Posted by The Magic Man

Barrera is a hell of a fighter, Hell of a showing and he came damn close to avenging manny's original slaughter of him..

Lasted the distance and put up a great fight..The one score that was 115-112..That was a fair score..

But these judges..Where are they getting these tarts from..Really!?

118-109 twice..

Abvout the same score against marquez when imo Barrera Won the fight on at least 1 or 2 points

To have scored the marquez fight a draw would have been a fair score although the way it was fought it still would have been hard to score a draw

Do these bums of judges not know by now how to score a fight?

Do they not see what is going on or are they just watching barreras opponent in every fight

Do they not think that they're mistakes go into the history books and in 20 years when people hear of the legend that is Marco Antonio Barrera and they look at his record and they say, Well that guy was a hell of a fighter but towards the end of his career he was dominated by both marquez and pac..
But this is not the case..

Barrera has been a warrior and a technician simultaniously throughout his career and some may never know because of judges.. It is quite ridiculous

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:coolclick:, you make some excellent points.

Ive always attested that Barrera did more than enough to beat Marquez. He wasnt quite vintage Barrera but he showed rounds where he boxed excellently and took more rounds than Marquez was able to. Factor in the seriously messed up 7th round and you get a very lopsided result.

This time out I do think Pac outworked Barrera down the stretch. Mainly from the 10th onwards. Barrera had been boxing very smartly for most of the fight though. The 2 judges in this fight should be shot though. And as for the Harold Lederman scorecard. Well, that is pretty messed up!!

And though Barrera was wrong for hitting on the break. He should have been given an official warning first. Makes no difference now though.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by The Magic Man

Barrera is a hell of a fighter, Hell of a showing and he came damn close to avenging manny's original slaughter of him..

Lasted the distance and put up a great fight..The one score that was 115-112..That was a fair score..

But these judges..Where are they getting these tarts from..Really!?

118-109 twice..

Abvout the same score against marquez when imo Barrera Won the fight on at least 1 or 2 points

To have scored the marquez fight a draw would have been a fair score although the way it was fought it still would have been hard to score a draw

Do these bums of judges not know by now how to score a fight?

Do they not see what is going on or are they just watching barreras opponent in every fight

Do they not think that they're mistakes go into the history books and in 20 years when people hear of the legend that is Marco Antonio Barrera and they look at his record and they say, Well that guy was a hell of a fighter but towards the end of his career he was dominated by both marquez and pac..
But this is not the case..

Barrera has been a warrior and a technician simultaniously throughout his career and some may never know because of judges.. It is quite ridiculous

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:coolclick:, you make some excellent points.

Ive always attested that Barrera did more than enough to beat Marquez. He wasnt quite vintage Barrera but he showed rounds where he boxed excellently and took more rounds than Marquez was able to. Factor in the seriously messed up 7th round and you get a very lopsided result.

This time out I do think Pac outworked Barrera down the stretch. Mainly from the 10th onwards. Barrera had been boxing very smartly for most of the fight though. The 2 judges in this fight should be shot though. And as for the Harold Lederman scorecard. Well, that is pretty messed up!!

And though Barrera was wrong for hitting on the break. He should have been given an official warning first. Makes no difference now though.

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Hey, Back at you Miles..Its Been a while

Lol.. You may well be right and my suspision was that your point is true..But all i can say is..

THANK YOU SETANTA.. Who managed to cut off in the tenth and return with a minute to spare in the 12th..Lol

I dont agree i think the judges score cards were very fair. Barrera was very negative and didnt want to throw punches, when he did they were single shots, Manny put his shots together looked like the more agressive fighter and if you look at the Compubox numbers every round Manny threw and landed more. How you guys having Barrera winning rounds i have no idea. I gave him 2 at the most. I had it 118 - 109 Pacman.

The rounds were close but you could see Manny doing more every round and Barrera backing up and trying to make it a technical fight but Pacman so too fresh and too quick for Barrera to work effectivly.

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Originally Posted by ACEA

I dont agree i think the judges score cards were very fair. Barrera was very negative and didnt want to throw punches, when he did they were single shots, Manny put his shots together looked like the more agressive fighter and if you look at the Compubox numbers every round Manny threw and landed more. How you guys having Barrera winning rounds i have no idea. I gave him 2 at the most. I had it 118 - 109 Pacman.

The rounds were close but you could see Manny doing more every round and Barrera backing up and trying to make it a technical fight but Pacman so too fresh and too quick for Barrera to work effectivly.

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I disagree..Ive plain stated that pac although sometimes busier wasnt effective and alot of his work was following barrera around..

Barrera made a habit of countering most of his work in his winning rounds and the times in which he was hit he instantly had answers.. Also during his winning rounds he was doing his thing for the longer amounts of time during the round.. I.e If pac throws thirty punches in one minute..But barrera counters and has answers for pacs punches for two minutes..Then i give the round to Marco

Just an example but you can understand how it applies

I also feel that barrera managed to hit Pac with some big shots in the first 6-7 rounds and even in loosing rounds he landed some hard counter shots especially withthe right hand..

The Win for pac is fair because of Marcos faded work down the stretch.. But the scores were ridiculous

just curious which rounds did u give to Marco?

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Originally Posted by ACEA

just curious which rounds did u give to Marco?

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I had it about 3 rounds to 2 after the fifth and then 5 to four after the ninth..

And im sure youve heard of how setanta cut out during the tenth and rejoined with a minute to go in the twelth but all that aside the scores were still way out of wack

cool click guys, now that the fight is done with I actually think mab shouldn't retire. cause besides pac he can beat anyone in the division still. mab can beat guzman soto and valero it can even be easy fights for mab. I don't know maybe I don't want to say goodbye to marco yet but i really think he still can beat anyone in the division even jmm.

See now that pac may be moving up to 135, marco can own 130 only jmm is the guy in the way but in the first fight it was close and it could of gone either way.

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Originally Posted by The Magic Man

Back at you brother..

Barrera imo is one of the very few who's legacy in the eyes of those who have seen it may well be untouchable forever.. He just doesnt stop bieng tip top..

Maybe a large statement but a greatest of all time easily..

And hey..Barrera fans are the best, They appreiciate that little bit more then alot of fans do

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I just love the man he is my hero he showed he is still up there the score cards were a disgrace :'(

Pacquiao outpunched Barrera, 249-111. Manny connected 37 percent of his shots, while the Guadalajara native landed just 21 percent. Those are the actual stats. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by KKisser

Pacquiao outpunched Barrera, 249-111. Manny connected 37 percent of his shots, while the Guadalajara native landed just 21 percent. Those are the actual stats. Go figure.

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>:mad Ive got to give you a cool click for the next decade. :-\

Seriously, Pac would have been taken by a motivated Barrera of the same age.

First off i have to give Pac a lot of credit for coming out and fighting with his usual tremendous energy and quickness. The man deserves his props...he is a tremendous athlete. I have mixed feelings about Marco for this fight. He is my all time favorite fighter...so i of course wanted him to go out on top. I really felt he had the intelligence and skill to pull of the upset. And sure enough...he started well. He didn't move in straight lines...he circled Pac and made him miss plenty of times...and connected well on a few of his own punches. But he simply didn't fight like this was his last fight...a fight where he was supposed to leave his heart out there. Sure...that doesn't mean to go out there and slug it out non stop...that would simply be suicide against Pac. But he was way too tentative. I think there are plenty of reasons for that. He obviously knew he was fighting a faster and stronger fighter...so he was hoping to point it out. But i also think he just didn't have the speed or sharpness. In the Marquez fight...he was razor sharp...had great quickness and pop to his punches. In this fight he didn't have that. Is that because of Manny's speed and pressure and because of Barrera's own physical decline? Probably a bit of both. At the end of the day...Marco didn't have the hand speed and power to beat Manny. But the thing that saddened and angered me....was that towards the end...this great warrior didn't let it all hang out. At some point...a fighter....especially one as smart as Barrera...knows he is losing...and then he must dig deep and show his heart. A great warrior like Barrera...in his last big fight no less...to fight without that fire...is truly disappointing. But hey...it's too easy for us to sit behind our computers and just want our favorite boxers to let it all out all the time and potentially get pummeled and hurt badly. The man has over 70 fights...over many, many years...so many of them wars. So while i am disappointed not only at the result, but the performance...i can only give respect to a fighter who has given so much to the sport.

barrera's primary objective was to stay on his feet after the last bell rings. he says so himself after the fight not exactly in those words but reading between the lines.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by KKisser

Pacquiao outpunched Barrera, 249-111. Manny connected 37 percent of his shots, while the Guadalajara native landed just 21 percent. Those are the actual stats. Go figure.

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>:mad Ive got to give you a cool click for the next decade. :-\

Seriously, Pac would have been taken by a motivated Barrera of the same age.

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if the barrera you're referring to would be facing the manny of last weekend, yeah possibly. but prime for prime and top condition for top condition i would always go for the pacman. i respect you picking marco though cos he's your boy.

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Originally Posted by miles

Seriously, Pac would have been taken by a motivated Barrera of the same age.

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I dont thinks so. If he brawls he gets kayoed. if he box another UD. PAC is just the WRONG fighter for MAB

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Originally Posted by miles

Seriously, Pac would have been taken by a motivated Barrera of the same age.

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have to disagree. Seriously though the first fight should have been postponed but it's a big money game & we wouldn't be here talking about this. Shit happens.

I'm not mad or angry that he didn't go to war for 12 rounds, who wants to see a great figher on all fours like Morales? Now that's a sad sight to see. I can't believe actually want to see that rather than a tactical battle. Why make a fight harder than it needs to be?

Barrera got bitched about for schooling Juarez, he won the second fight with one hand how much more insulting can you make it? If you blow someone out with one shot they can always scream lucky punch.

If Barrera could of taken Juarez out with one shot I'm sure he wouldn't have minded Jurarez, or anyone else, claiming it was lucky ;)

perhaps but don't you think it's humiliating to eat jab for 36 minutes? I do and the way MAB went for Juarez with the I schooled you comment makes me think it more. 8)

But we all view these things differently, I doubt I'll be swayed unless it's from the horse's mouth, & even that isn't enough for some people.

Anyhoo - that's me done ;D :teacher:

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Originally Posted by Missy

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Originally Posted by miles

Seriously, Pac would have been taken by a motivated Barrera of the same age.

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have to disagree. Seriously though the first fight should have been postponed but it's a big money game & we wouldn't be here talking about this. S*** happens.

I'm not mad or angry that he didn't go to war for 12 rounds, who wants to see a great figher on all fours like Morales? Now that's a sad sight to see. I can't believe actually want to see that rather than a tactical battle. Why make a fight harder than it needs to be?

Barrera got bitched about for schooling Juarez, he won the second fight with one hand how much more insulting can you make it? If you blow someone out with one shot they can always scream lucky punch.

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You dont agree a prime Barrera would have beaten Pac ?

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by KKisser

Pacquiao outpunched Barrera, 249-111. Manny connected 37 percent of his shots, while the Guadalajara native landed just 21 percent. Those are the actual stats. Go figure.

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>:mad Ive got to give you a cool click for the next decade. :-\

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just the 9 more you owe me would do. ;D