MAB vs Morales: who deserves more praise?

considering how MAB and Morales fought the PAcman, who do you think is deserving of better praise?

personally, I believe Morales deserved more praise for fighting it out with Pacman. Yes, he went down but that makes it more praiseworthy of him coz he fought with true bravery (for me). I respect Barrera but I respect Morales more for living up to how a mexican warrior should fight. O0

MORALES! Simply because he schooled Pac (MP-EM1) fair and square. Erik also had the cojones to trade with Pac.

you've got a point in the schooling thing.cc in 24.

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you've got a point in the schooling thing.cc in 24.

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Likewise in 24 ;)

Eriik Morales

Morales for me also. He just had an "I don't give a damn what happens" attitude and fought tough.

Concerning Pacquiao...Morales hands down.

As far as careers go...Barrera deserves more praise.

I'd have to agree with the last statement. Despite how long Morales lasted against Pacquiao in their respective fights, it was a lot more exciting to see him on the run, only to turn it around five seconds later. It was unpredictable, and brutal. Personally, that's how I like a match to be.

Yet Barrera is a great fighter. I've yet to see the pay-per-view in its entirety, but regardless of whether or not he got the fairytale end to his career, this expected loss shouldn't eclipse everything he's done in the past. That wouldn't really be fair.

as much as I have been avoiding to say this cause mab is retiring. I think mab hitting pac on the break was uncalled for and mab himself wrote himself off with that. unlike eric even though his the only man to really beat pac, he fought pac 2 more times and fought like a true mexican warrior and he won the philippines over. I'm not going to say who had the better career because that is like counting to infinitely but their fights with pacman prove who could really be a sour loser.

morales ofcourse!

Respect to both fighters but EM never held back against PAC

ive always respected both fighters. how ever i give morales the nod for fighting. he fought as hard as he could knowing he is being outgunned. doing that he had the chance to strafe pac with punches. it was his body that failed him not his heart. mab kinda lost my respect after that dirty display last night. it was really disappointing knowing that he is a hall of famer.

Morales he beat Pac in a classic fight the first time and traded bombs with him in all 3 of there fights even though he lost he went out on his shield.

Morales by far. It's a no-brainer. He beat Manny,MAB never came close in either fight. And when both were close to being shot/far past their prime,Morales fought like a warrior that he is and has been his whole career. He came to KTFO Manny. MAB just wanted to survive.

In terms of how they faced Pac Morales gains more accolade, but career wise Barrera will have a greater legacy

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Morales by far. It's a no-brainer. He beat Manny,MAB never came close in either fight. And when both were close to being shot/far past their prime,Morales fought like a warrior that he is and has been his whole career. He came to KTFO Manny. MAB just wanted to survive.

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Like Morales fighting hard is not always fighting smart. Some folks here could learn from that.

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Morales by far. It's a no-brainer. He beat Manny,MAB never came close in either fight. And when both were close to being shot/far past their prime,Morales fought like a warrior that he is and has been his whole career. He came to KTFO Manny. MAB just wanted to survive.

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Like Morales fighting hard is not always fighting smart. Some folks here could learn from that.

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True,but who has earned more respect,MAB or EM from their fighting Manny? I think it's safe to say Erik.

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In terms of how they faced Pac Morales gains more accolade, but career wise Barrera will have a greater legacy

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Each to their own. I think Morales has the better legacy. He lost 2 of 3 to MAB that could have just as easily gone the other,36 of the most evenly contested rounds in boxing. And Morales beat better fighters overall imo. MAB has the edge in longeviety,I prefer Erik's superior resume.

earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.

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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

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Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.

And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.

I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.

I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?

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Morales by far. It's a no-brainer. He beat Manny,MAB never came close in either fight. And when both were close to being shot/far past their prime,Morales fought like a warrior that he is and has been his whole career. He came to KTFO Manny. MAB just wanted to survive.

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Like Morales fighting hard is not always fighting smart. Some folks here could learn from that.

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True,but who has earned more respect,MAB or EM from their fighting Manny? I think it's safe to say Erik.

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In terms of how they faced Pac Morales gains more accolade, but career wise Barrera will have a greater legacy

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Each to their own. I think Morales has the better legacy. He lost 2 of 3 to MAB that could have just as easily gone the other,36 of the most evenly contested rounds in boxing. And Morales beat better fighters overall imo. MAB has the edge in longeviety,I prefer Erik's superior resume.

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Longevity is important in my book, i guess thats why i rate Barrera so highly. It must also be taken into account that Barrera rebounded from his losses seemingly more profoundly than Erik did. i.e He lost to Morales, came back and beat him trwice, he lost to Junior Jones twice was exposed as a crude slugger and came back with a new repotoire of skills and defense (which allowed him to defeat Naseem Hamed.)
Additionally i personally favour Barrera as his losses (apart from the Jones drubbings) seemed to be far less severe in comparisonm to some of the painful sagas Morales endured.

Obviously Morales cos he beat Pac

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I think a clearly passed his best Barrera showed enough in the rematch to suggest without the training complications, and more importantly, Pac bringing a huge surprise element to the first fight, it would/could have been a whole lot different.

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Morales by far. It's a no-brainer. He beat Manny,MAB never came close in either fight. And when both were close to being shot/far past their prime,Morales fought like a warrior that he is and has been his whole career. He came to KTFO Manny. MAB just wanted to survive.

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Like Morales fighting hard is not always fighting smart. Some folks here could learn from that.

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True,but who has earned more respect,MAB or EM from their fighting Manny? I think it's safe to say Erik.

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In terms of how they faced Pac Morales gains more accolade, but career wise Barrera will have a greater legacy

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Each to their own. I think Morales has the better legacy. He lost 2 of 3 to MAB that could have just as easily gone the other,36 of the most evenly contested rounds in boxing. And Morales beat better fighters overall imo. MAB has the edge in longeviety,I prefer Erik's superior resume.

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Longevity is important in my book, i guess thats why i rate Barrera so highly. It must also be taken into account that Barrera rebounded from his losses seemingly more profoundly than Erik did. i.e He lost to Morales, came back and beat him trwice, he lost to Junior Jones twice was exposed as a crude slugger and came back with a new repotoire of skills and defense (which allowed him to defeat Naseem Hamed.)
Additionally i personally favour Barrera as his losses (apart from the Jones drubbings) seemed to be far less severe in comparisonm to some of the painful sagas Morales endured.

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You really think so bro>? Well Morales came back from the loss to MAB to beat Manny. That's just as good a rebound.

And I totally disagree with the losses. Morales took 2 beatings from Manny.He didn't get beaten up by Raheem,Diaz. MAB took beatings from JJ,Manny,both guys he didn't beat. That counts in my book. And like I said,overall,Morales beat the better fighters.

I can totally see why you prfer MAB's legacy though. We are putting emphasis on different things I guess,both are valid.

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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.

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Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.

And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.

I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.

I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?

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come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.

EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?

All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.

furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.


if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more

Bored with this.

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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.

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Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.

And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.

I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.

I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?

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come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.

EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?

All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.

furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.


if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more

Bored with this.

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You like thinking fighters? Great,you were probably weren't a MAB fan earlier on then. ::**

And what do you mean the 2 stoppages shouldnt be there but are for circumstances? Everyone could say that about their favourite favourite. Morales 2 stoppages shouldn't be there,he was shot,he didn't prepare,he had to lose 30 pounds etc etc

You're right,they should not be judged off their performance against 1 fighter but that is essentially what the thread is asking. I responded.

And you're bored with this. Great,very constructive. Good for you.. ::** ::**

Good Points Gamo, nuther CC for ya.

Morales may have done better than Barrera in getting a win against Pac. But it must be remembered that Barrera has just taken the so called "improved Pac" to the distance in a pretty close fight and at the ripe old age of 33. He did okay, but I feel if he had pushed the boat a little more that he could have beaten the Pac of this weekend.

In terms of career wins and longevity Barrera will go down as the greater fighter.

Eriks overeating is his problem. If you don't know the circumstance then you can't comment, I do know so I can 8) and it has nothing to do with being shot & I'm not being drawn on it.

As for Barreras earlier career, go watch them plenty of smarts going on.

If we both agree neither should be judged based on 1 fighter what the hell are you arguing with me for? My criticism was based on Morales' face first attack and defence style which is based on his own preference and wanting to please those particular fans who bay for fighters blood and if they don't get it call fighters pussies. I don't consider it smart.

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Morales may have done better than Barrera in getting a win against Pac. But it must be remembered that Barrera has just taken the so called "improved Pac" to the distance in a pretty close fight and at the ripe old age of 33. He did okay, but I feel if he had pushed the boat a little more that he could have beaten the Pac of this weekend.

In terms of career wins and longevity Barrera will go down as the greater fighter.

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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.

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Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.

And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.

I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.

I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?

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come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.

EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?

All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.

furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.


if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more

Bored with this.

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:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous

I'm really sorry for Barrera as i feel his age of 33 has been made much greater by the wars he's been in. Honestly pictures before the fight made him look 50. A great fighter and a guy il always remember alongside all the other Mexican Warriors (which include Morales.)

shame, I just cc clicked you on another thread when you correctly informed the punters it's not all about blood, gore, ko's etc

which bit in particular do you have issues with? 8)

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Good Points Gamo, nuther CC for ya.

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Thanks my man,CC back. 8) :D

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Eriks overeating is his problem. If you don't know the circumstance then you can't comment, I do know so I can 8) and it has nothing to do with being shot & I'm not being drawn on it.

As for Barreras earlier career, go watch them plenty of smarts going on.

If we both agree neither should be judged based on 1 fighter what the hell are you arguing with me for? My criticism was based on Morales' face first attack and defence style which is based on his own preference and wanting to please those particular fans who bay for fighters blood and if they don't get it call fighters pussies. I don't consider it smart.

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LOL,I'm not arguing with you,you're arguing with me!! I'm just defending my points!! And you get ZERO points for things you if you don't know the circumstances,you can't comment. What makes you privy to such info? Are you above other boxing fans? How do you know it's reliable?

I have MAB's entire career(practically and have watched it time and time again. He was a brawler who did some clever things. Just like Morales when he first started off. And like I said,say what you want about Morales style but it got him more big wins than MAB.

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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.

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Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.

And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.

I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.

I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?

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come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.

EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?

All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.

furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.


if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more

Bored with this.

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:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous

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It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.

Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret shit on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.

Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.

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Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret S*** on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.

Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.

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Nuh uh. I forgive you for pulling it out on me. :-* Heh heh heh.

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I'm really sorry for Barrera as i feel his age of 33 has been made much greater by the wars he's been in. Honestly pictures before the fight made him look 50. A great fighter and a guy il always remember alongside all the other Mexican Warriors (which include Morales.)

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He looks happy enough ;D

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Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret S*** on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.

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Nuh uh. I forgive you for pulling it out on me. :-* Heh heh heh.

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I swear to Mrs Wacko, I've never pulled anything of Wackos :-X

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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.

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Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.

And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.

I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.

I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?

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come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.

EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?

All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.

furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.


if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more

Bored with this.

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:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous

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It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.

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He sad clicked Missy,he sad clicked me yesterday. He sad clicks anyone that bad mouths his Manny or that does not lick Manny's balls.

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Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret shit on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.

Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.

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Fair enough.You made your points and I made mine. And I think I know what you're alluding too.MAB's traumas during his first fight with Manny?

Follow up Question.
Is Barrera going to be one of those guys that actually makes more money after he retires than he did during his career???
I mean everybody would want to hire him to be their lawyer because of his status!

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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.

& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.

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Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.

And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.

I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.

I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?

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come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.

EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?

All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.

furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.


if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more

Bored with this.

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:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous

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It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.

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I was talking to missy, I don't agree in what shes said "Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best" if thats the case then why rate anyone highly just cause the manny we're use to is knocking out all his oppenent in all of his wins his suddenly not deserving to be rated high? I think thats rediculous cause floyd hasn't stopped anyone since mitchell and he has been fighting old guys with a losing average of atleast 4 or 5. I think people are getting suckered into believing the pac vs mab 2 was a bad fight but I think if you look at it in a more mature way, marco still lost against pac in his own prefered pace and style and that itself deserves some credit.

"All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know."

and I also didn't agree on this becuase it is rediculous to think the two stoppage shouldn't be there, history books do show W L D ofcourse, but why shouldn't they be recorded when they took place and were produce by hard workers its just not right to think of taking away someones achievements.