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I have just watched the Pac: Barrera fight with HBO commentary for the first time and have to say that I am thoroughly disgusted.
Jim Lampley is simply downright rude and condescending. And Ledermans card is absurd.
Lampley is quite possibly the most complete twat on this earth. And Lederman is as bad as his daughter in terms of scoring fights.
I just had to share those thoughts with you. >:mad :-\
I haven't even seen the fight yet, what did Lampley say cause while he's biased as all hell he's always been a big MAB fan.
In reply to Manny Steward about some fighters Barrera is managing "Lets hope he manages them to be more exciting than this....Its not pretty". Thats one that sticks in my mind. There were a few barbs along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
For gods sake. There have been a million worse fights. It really irritated me when they mentioned that the judges were looking at HBO replays on the big screen too between rounds. :-\
The commentators were definitely biased. That night, to them, Pacquiao could do no wrong.
I personally think the HBO commentary is entertaining. Lampley may not know boxing, but he does say things with enthusiasm and he has this unexplicable charisma. Larry Merchant has been around boxing for over a hundred years (lol) and has been there through everything. His interviews are great (this weekend's questions sucked!). Emmanuel Steward is a bit boring to me, but he doesn't speak so often so it's not that big of a problem.
When it comes to the Lederman scorecard, my score was actually somewhat close. I think Lederman had the fight at 118-109 Pacquiao and I had the fight at 116-111 Pacquiao
BRING BACK FOREMAN!!!
Lampley is usually(99%),an MAB nuthugger. This time he called it like he saw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
HBO's commentary team may not be perfect, but it is by far and away the best.
Look at the competition..................
Showtime, ESPN, Versus, and worst of all.... the FOX sports team.
I can't even begin to imagine what they got over in the UK.
Foreman had no idea what he was talking about. Roy Jones Jr. was probably the best guy in terms of knowledge they ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12
Yo British commentators don't know anything about most of the undercard fighters. The guys in the studio came across clueless and the guys commentating for Setanta did not sound as if they had much knowledge. I'm a fan of Mario(the guy from Saved by The Bell) but he can be annoying!Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I really like Al Bernstein from Showtime though. Foreman was ok,entertaining but RJJ was the best. He knew alot and whenhe said something,it usually came true(watch Mayorga Tito,EVERYTHING he said happened) Roy was awesome.
didn't roy once say barrera was on the verge of lossing, that the guy was about topick it up, then a second later barrera goes and knocks him out lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I did like roy tho, really rely knew his shit, remeber watched the barrera v morales III ad roy done fucking awsome in it.
I think he was somewhat rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
The only one who I agreed with throughout was Manny Steward. Pac was lacking in this fight. Its just a shame Barrera doesnt quite have it in him to execute these days.
I think Manny Steward was right when he said that the Barrera of a year ago could have taken Pac. Too damn right!!
Still, all done now.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
A.C. Slater is calling fights??
I heard he went pro as a fighter, but I have no idea how he did.
I think Lampley was just pissed at the lackluster effort Barrera put out there.
he did not want to fight that night he wanted to box like the night he fought Naseem.
Oh shit,he was a pro?! Have you checked Boxrec? Yeah,I'm 90% he was commentating. Very enthusiastic,was better than his fellow team members!Still annoying thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
::** Ignorance at its bestQuote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
ESPN is okay. But Phuk me, HBO is terrible!! Who is that twat with the Hulk Hoagn voice? I dunno, their all so egotistical and full of over blown drolling and nit picking. No chemistry at all. It just kills the coverage completely.
I much prefer Drake n Watt of Sky Sports (Even though Watt is always worried about 'a fighter not doing what he is supposed to be doing' or 'not looking as positive' as he'd like ;D )
Yes but did anyone think Barrara would win in a brawl? He had to box to win, he fought his fight, but he didn't do it well enough to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doot
I thought the fight was entertaining. It was competetive, but not close. Pac won comfortably but it was interesting and Barrera was respectable as an opponent. He definitely dictated the style of fight.
I think HBO is great - I wish we could get it here in the UK.
Actually on watching the fight again (now my 3rd time!!) Im inclined to agree with you. Barrera was competing but never at any stage trying to completely win the fight...which is odd if you are seeing Barrera fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doot
It doesnt help that Barrera's corner is telling him they are up 3 to 0 after 3 rounds. That is bollocks and they kept feeding him that. But they did tell him to pick it up eventually and he instead faded down the stretch.
A weird fight and one that Im really not comfortable with. At least the Marquez fight saw a real live Barrera...here its as though he quietly slipped from view. I find that difficult.
Barrera played with caution. was focused on not make any major mistakes that would get him sparked . as opposed to looking for offensive oppertunites . can't blame Marco after watching the first match between the 2. .
one thing i liked about Barrera was the footwork,, at times it was brilliant , when Pac would set , Barrera would take on step back and piviot.. was very effective for evading the big pacman onslught .
when i think of great exciting matches in boxing over the last 15 or so years Barrera's name comes to mind He thrilled so many times, he has credit with me. 8)
Well said. His footwork was excellent in this fight. He fought in circles instead of simply moving in a straight line back and forth. But his hand speed and tentativeness cost him big. He wasn't sharp on his punches and Pac had too much speed for him. As far as HBO...they always go back and forth on jocking particular fighters (i personally think Steward is the best of that crew). Never been a fan of Lederman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
THANK YOU!I said it during the bout in Wacko thread but It was a bit more rowdy.Lampley is nothing but a Glory Boy network "fluffer" and has a repetitive habit of calling Ghost punches the dont land.I'll be honest,To me There a huge distraction to reality and its often the Third member (Steward,Jones,Foreman,Etc)that interject and counter the Human thesauruses Rah Rah mantra of Lampley.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
For sh!!!ts Sake,Lampley said a couple of times by The FIFTH round that Barrera was only fighting to survive.That alone is asinine B.S.
i find the showtime team to be the most objective.
lampley is too enthusiastic.
merchant is a hater
I actually like Lampley. I haven't seen this broadcast yet, but I'm sure I will, Saturday at the latest. He is usually very pro-Barrera, so I'm surprised to hear this. (Anyone got a line on a download for the fight, by the way?) Lately, and oddly enough, I like Lennox Lewis, when he commentates. When he doesn't stutter, I think he knows his S*** and can be fairly articulate. Larry Merchant is undoubtedly battling senility, but he's good for a laugh.
The Showtime team I cannot watch at all. Back when Trinidad used to fight, the bias there was nauseating.
I disagree with you about Lederman i think for the most part his score cards are accurate but that damn Lampley some of the sh#t that comes out his mouth i can't help but to think that he is drunk most of the time. He also don't know what the f#ck he be talking about half the time.
I like Lampley for the most part, but I did think his anti-Barrera comments were over the top. And it was surprising, considering that Lampley has been so biased in favor of Barrera over the years.
Most great fighters don't go out on a high note, most go out in embarassing fashion. Barrera's effort was better than the final fights for a lot of other great fighters.
Well Said. CC To Ya! As long as this is IT for finale.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I think Barrera too proud to hang around as 2nd Best?
"Lamps" Fluff's The Star Hes Told Too!! :-*