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Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
if he had a chin then maybe
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Daniel Santos has no chance in hell at being the man at 154. He hasn't even ever beaten anybody worth mentioning ;)
Spinks would expose Santos as the amature that he is.
Karmazin would knock him out.
Forrest would absolutely slaughter Santos
Mayorga would make a fool out of Santos
I could go on forever about Santos and how mediocre he is, but there's no point.
Let him fight and beat a couple decent fighters before we start throwing his name around
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
You not been able to find the fight either Gamo? I can't find it anywhere :-\
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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You not been able to find the fight either Gamo? I can't find it anywhere :-\
I don't think it was televised. I just presumed someone may have recorded it or something? No idea man,but I definitely want to see it.
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if he had a chin then maybe
I think he's slightly chinny but he has a powerful left hand and excellent jab. He's also big and and a southpaw,a dangerous combination for anyone at the weight,which is devoid of any big fighters right now. Remember,there was a time when Santos was pretty highly rated.
I'm pretty sure it was Santos that busted up David Reid(the 1 Tito busted up) in the amatuers,gave him the droopy eye when he sliced it open with his left hand and dropped him.
Forrest would probably beat him,I'd take Santos over Karmazin though. Roman himself admitted in interviews he can't fight southpaws/boxers. An Alcine fight would be boring but I'd take Santos on points.
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
I was surprised and perlexed as to why Showtime did not show the Santos-Rivera fight. As for Santos, I think he is underrated and those who have not seen him fight should refrain from criticizing him. First, he fought Margarito very well and that was without even being in great shape. Santos' problem is his lack of motivation, not his level of talent. He has power and good head/leg movement. If he finally takes his career seriously, he should be a force in the 154 pound division. Let's think logically here: who is at 154 pounds that scares the hell out of anyone? The division is wide open and Santos definitely has a chance to have some good fights with anyone in the division.
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I was surprised and perlexed as to why Showtime did not show the Santos-Rivera fight. As for Santos, I think he is underrated and those who have not seen him fight should refrain from criticizing him. First, he fought Margarito very well and that was without even being in great shape. Santos' problem is his lack of motivation, not his level of talent. He has power and good head/leg movement. If he finally takes his career seriously, he should be a force in the 154 pound division. Let's think logically here: who is at 154 pounds that scares the hell out of anyone? The division is wide open and Santos definitely has a chance to have some good fights with anyone in the division.
CC,I agree. I thought Margarito beat him by a round,it was a close in Santos backyard. I think Santos is a decent fighter,and has a chance to make a name for himself. I think his weakness is his lack of motivation and lack of activity. He seems to be back on track now though.
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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You not been able to find the fight either Gamo? I can't find it anywhere :-\
I don't think it was televised. I just presumed someone may have recorded it or something? No idea man,but I definitely want to see it.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
if he had a chin then maybe
I think he's slightly chinny but he has a powerful left hand and excellent jab. He's also big and and a southpaw,a dangerous combination for anyone at the weight,which is devoid of any big fighters right now. Remember,there was a time when Santos was pretty highly rated.
I'm pretty sure it was Santos that busted up David Reid(the 1 Tito busted up) in the amatuers,gave him the droopy eye when he sliced it open with his left hand and dropped him.
Forrest would probably beat him,I'd take Santos over Karmazin though. Roman himself admitted in interviews he can't fight southpaws/boxers. An Alcine fight would be boring but I'd take Santos on points.
It's strange though because the McBride Golota fight was televised in Poland and throughout you can clearly hear Bob Sheridon in the background so I'm presuming he covered these fights for MSG?
Can't find the anywhere though. Showtime really piss me off they are always passing up on the opportunity to show good undercard fights.
And I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't show McBride Golota, I mean it's obvious loads of boxing fans are going to want to watch that even if it is a circus show type bout. ???
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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You not been able to find the fight either Gamo? I can't find it anywhere :-\
I don't think it was televised. I just presumed someone may have recorded it or something? No idea man,but I definitely want to see it.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
if he had a chin then maybe
I think he's slightly chinny but he has a powerful left hand and excellent jab. He's also big and and a southpaw,a dangerous combination for anyone at the weight,which is devoid of any big fighters right now. Remember,there was a time when Santos was pretty highly rated.
I'm pretty sure it was Santos that busted up David Reid(the 1 Tito busted up) in the amatuers,gave him the droopy eye when he sliced it open with his left hand and dropped him.
Forrest would probably beat him,I'd take Santos over Karmazin though. Roman himself admitted in interviews he can't fight southpaws/boxers. An Alcine fight would be boring but I'd take Santos on points.
It's strange though because the McBride Golota fight was televised in Poland and throughout you can clearly hear Bob Sheridon in the background so I'm presuming he covered these fights for MSG?
Can't find the anywhere though. Showtime really piss me off they are always passing up on the opportunity to show good undercard fights.
And I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't show McBride Golota, I mean it's obvious loads of boxing fans are going to want to watch that even if it is a circus show type bout. ???
I agree man. I've found a link for the Golota fight if you want it? I was dissappointed too,I dont' understand why Showtime would not show the fight either?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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You not been able to find the fight either Gamo? I can't find it anywhere :-\
I don't think it was televised. I just presumed someone may have recorded it or something? No idea man,but I definitely want to see it.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
if he had a chin then maybe
I think he's slightly chinny but he has a powerful left hand and excellent jab. He's also big and and a southpaw,a dangerous combination for anyone at the weight,which is devoid of any big fighters right now. Remember,there was a time when Santos was pretty highly rated.
I'm pretty sure it was Santos that busted up David Reid(the 1 Tito busted up) in the amatuers,gave him the droopy eye when he sliced it open with his left hand and dropped him.
Forrest would probably beat him,I'd take Santos over Karmazin though. Roman himself admitted in interviews he can't fight southpaws/boxers. An Alcine fight would be boring but I'd take Santos on points.
It's strange though because the McBride Golota fight was televised in Poland and throughout you can clearly hear Bob Sheridon in the background so I'm presuming he covered these fights for MSG?
Can't find the anywhere though. Showtime really piss me off they are always passing up on the opportunity to show good undercard fights.
And I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't show McBride Golota, I mean it's obvious loads of boxing fans are going to want to watch that even if it is a circus show type bout. ???
I agree man. I've found a link for the Golota fight if you want it? I was dissappointed too,I dont' understand why Showtime would not show the fight either?
I've got the Golota fight Polish version, it wasn't a bad fight. Would love to see Santos and Riveria though, maybe something will surface in the next couple days :-\
Never found a decent copy of Torres Holt either, the only copy on the torrent sites was unwatchable, kept missing frames :'(
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Daniel Santos has no chance in hell at being the man at 154. He hasn't even ever beaten anybody worth mentioning ;)
Dunno if that was a tongu-in-cheek attempt at provoking the Margarito-fan El Gamo, but it does seem a bit unfair at least. Margarito, Rivera, Zuniga, Yori Boy Campas (before ODLH) arent too bad.
Anyway, I am surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Dzindiruk. He may not be a superstar, but he is a belt holder at 154, and he does already hold a victory Santos. It was in Germany however, and I havent seen the fight, so I venture to ask if it was a robbery? Or have people just forgotten the fight completely?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Semi-related: I've seen the Argentinian Sergio Gabriel Martinez mentioned a few times on these boards, if I remember correctly mostly by you. Also, he somehow made it into the #2 spot at 154 (after PBF no less) at the Saddo Ratings-thing (I remember this, because it kinda stood out as weird/surprinsing).
Anyway, havent seen it on here, but he fought on saturday as well, as he beat someone with the proud record of 3-34-2 in Spain. Completely meaningless fight (except for staying busy), but perhaps worth a mention anyway.
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Well Frozen likes to make fun of Margarito but has Zab's dick so far up his a** it take a year to pull it out i just do not get it
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Well Frozen likes to make fun of Margarito but has Zab's dick so far up his a** it take a year to pull it out i just do not get it
Class post, bro.
One could only imagine how you carry yourself outside of Saddoboxing.com
What's amazing is that you came on this thread just to run your mouth about me without saying anything about the topic.
Seriously.....
I'm kinda flattered
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
Ok want me to answer the post ok here you go i like Santos and with the right motivation he will be a force i do not doubt it
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And i am glad you feel so flattered by my post any time i will be more then happy to post the same about you
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Daniel Santos has no chance in hell at being the man at 154. He hasn't even ever beaten anybody worth mentioning ;)
Dunno if that was a tongu-in-cheek attempt at provoking the Margarito-fan El Gamo, but it does seem a bit unfair at least. Margarito, Rivera, Zuniga, Yori Boy Campas (before ODLH) arent too bad.
Anyway, I am surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Dzindiruk. He may not be a superstar, but he is a belt holder at 154, and he does already hold a victory Santos. It was in Germany however, and I havent seen the fight, so I venture to ask if it was a robbery? Or have people just forgotten the fight completely?
Great guess. :D
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Semi-related: I've seen the Argentinian Sergio Gabriel Martinez mentioned a few times on these boards, if I remember correctly mostly by you. Also, he somehow made it into the #2 spot at 154 (after PBF no less) at the Saddo Ratings-thing (I remember this, because it kinda stood out as weird/surprinsing).
Anyway, havent seen it on here, but he fought on saturday as well, as he beat someone with the proud record of 3-34-2 in Spain. Completely meaningless fight (except for staying busy), but perhaps worth a mention anyway.
Wow,thanks for the news. Yeah,Sergio Matrinez is an excellent fighter,a slick southpaw who travels around Europe getting decisions/wins in guys backyards. He has only lost once,to Margarito. I totally forgot about him,an excellent fighter. Heck,a Mayweather nut hugger on this site made a thread about him and how impressive he was,realised Margarito had beaten him and was too embaressed to respond ;D He,Santos,Karmazin,Forrest,all dangermen at 154.
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Daniel Santos has no chance in hell at being the man at 154. He hasn't even ever beaten anybody worth mentioning ;)
Dunno if that was a tongu-in-cheek attempt at provoking the Margarito-fan El Gamo, but it does seem a bit unfair at least. Margarito, Rivera, Zuniga, Yori Boy Campas (before ODLH) arent too bad.
Anyway, I am surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Dzindiruk. He may not be a superstar, but he is a belt holder at 154, and he does already hold a victory Santos. It was in Germany however, and I havent seen the fight, so I venture to ask if it was a robbery? Or have people just forgotten the fight completely?
You have to also remember,Santos has been getting decisions in guys backyards. He beat Kotiev the first time,it was a robbery,upon review,the WBO ordered a rematch,which Santo won via KO..he also won decisions in the UK too. He lost his way a bit when one of his family died and I think Santos also ran someone over or somethin,again,likely to take it out of a fighter.
I forgot about Dzinziruk. I've seen that fight twice. He deserved to win and seems like a good fighter. Typical European fighter though,straight up and down,tight high held guard,stiff jab,very robotic though. I don't think Santos was well prepared for that fight though and I don't see why the champ would have to go and defend in the challengers backyard? I don't think we are going to see or hear much about Sergei,I don't think he'll leave Germany to be honest.
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Semi-related: I've seen the Argentinian Sergio Gabriel Martinez mentioned a few times on these boards, if I remember correctly mostly by you. Also, he somehow made it into the #2 spot at 154 (after PBF no less) at the Saddo Ratings-thing (I remember this, because it kinda stood out as weird/surprinsing).
Anyway, havent seen it on here, but he fought on saturday as well, as he beat someone with the proud record of 3-34-2 in Spain. Completely meaningless fight (except for staying busy), but perhaps worth a mention anyway.
Wow,thanks for the news. Yeah,Sergio Matrinez is an excellent fighter,a slick southpaw who travels around Europe getting decisions/wins in guys backyards. He has only lost once,to Margarito. I totally forgot about him,an excellent fighter. Heck,a Mayweather nut hugger on this site made a thread about him and how impressive he was,realised Margarito had beaten him and was too embaressed to respond ;D He,Santos,Karmazin,Forrest,all dangermen at 154.
Well, glad to be of help, if you hadnt seen the news. The thing about 154 is that we might call the above mentioned guys 'dangermen', but who are they dangerous for? If ODLH moves down (and PBF stays down), then they are more like the actual top guys, arent they?
Or are we talking about Cory Spinks as the man to beat? Or - as someone inexplicably suggested - Joel Julio for that matter?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
Anyway, I am surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Dzindiruk. He may not be a superstar, but he is a belt holder at 154, and he does already hold a victory Santos. It was in Germany however, and I havent seen the fight, so I venture to ask if it was a robbery? Or have people just forgotten the fight completely?
You have to also remember,Santos has been getting decisions in guys backyards. He beat Kotiev the first time,it was a robbery,upon review,the WBO ordered a rematch,which Santo won via KO..he also won decisions in the UK too. He lost his way a bit when one of his family died and I think Santos also ran someone over or somethin,again,likely to take it out of a fighter.
I forgot about Dzinziruk. I've seen that fight twice. He deserved to win and seems like a good fighter. Typical European fighter though,straight up and down,tight high held guard,stiff jab,very robotic though. I don't think Santos was well prepared for that fight though and I don't see why the champ would have to go and defend in the challengers backyard? I don't think we are going to see or hear much about Sergei,I don't think he'll leave Germany to be honest.
I agree with what you wrote about Dzindiruk. Although I do think he should be mentioned among the top guys, even if he refuses to leave Germany. Boxing is after all international, not just American (and while I understand your comment on champion/challenger, you should remember that Germany for obvious reasons is a much, much bigger economy/market than Puerto Rico).
Anyway, I was just surprised that Frozensolid named all those guys who could beat Santos, yet didnt name the one fighter who have already done exactly that.
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Semi-related: I've seen the Argentinian Sergio Gabriel Martinez mentioned a few times on these boards, if I remember correctly mostly by you. Also, he somehow made it into the #2 spot at 154 (after PBF no less) at the Saddo Ratings-thing (I remember this, because it kinda stood out as weird/surprinsing).
Anyway, havent seen it on here, but he fought on saturday as well, as he beat someone with the proud record of 3-34-2 in Spain. Completely meaningless fight (except for staying busy), but perhaps worth a mention anyway.
Wow,thanks for the news. Yeah,Sergio Matrinez is an excellent fighter,a slick southpaw who travels around Europe getting decisions/wins in guys backyards. He has only lost once,to Margarito. I totally forgot about him,an excellent fighter. Heck,a Mayweather nut hugger on this site made a thread about him and how impressive he was,realised Margarito had beaten him and was too embaressed to respond ;D He,Santos,Karmazin,Forrest,all dangermen at 154.
Well, glad to be of help, if you hadnt seen the news. The thing about 154 is that we might call the above mentioned guys 'dangermen', but who are they dangerous for? If ODLH moves down (and PBF stays down), then they are more like the actual top guys, arent they?
Or are we talking about Cory Spinks as the man to beat? Or - as someone inexplicably suggested - Joel Julio for that matter?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
Anyway, I am surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Dzindiruk. He may not be a superstar, but he is a belt holder at 154, and he does already hold a victory Santos. It was in Germany however, and I havent seen the fight, so I venture to ask if it was a robbery? Or have people just forgotten the fight completely?
You have to also remember,Santos has been getting decisions in guys backyards. He beat Kotiev the first time,it was a robbery,upon review,the WBO ordered a rematch,which Santo won via KO..he also won decisions in the UK too. He lost his way a bit when one of his family died and I think Santos also ran someone over or somethin,again,likely to take it out of a fighter.
I forgot about Dzinziruk. I've seen that fight twice. He deserved to win and seems like a good fighter. Typical European fighter though,straight up and down,tight high held guard,stiff jab,very robotic though. I don't think Santos was well prepared for that fight though and I don't see why the champ would have to go and defend in the challengers backyard? I don't think we are going to see or hear much about Sergei,I don't think he'll leave Germany to be honest.
I agree with what you wrote about Dzindiruk. Although I do think he should be mentioned among the top guys, even if he refuses to leave Germany. Boxing is after all international, not just American (and while I understand your comment on champion/challenger, you should remember that Germany for obvious reasons is a much, much bigger economy/market than Puerto Rico).
Anyway, I was just surprised that Frozensolid named all those guys who could beat Santos, yet didnt name the one fighter who have already done exactly that.
Seriously,I have not been keeping track of 154 at all for a while but again,you are indeed correct,have a CC on me for knowing your stuff. I'm back in the swing of things. Joel Julio is there and Spinks is too. When I say dangermen,I mean in the sense that they could be top men in the division,dangerous to each other I guess.
Forzensolid was jut being an idiot to annoy me. He most likely has hardly seen any of those guys fight. The top guys appear to me to be:
Alcine
Spinks
Forrest
Santos
Karmazin
Julio
Dzinziruk
Martinez
Simms
I think some pretty decent matches could be arranged there but all these guys are plagued with injury/inactivity!! Also,f of those guys are southpaws,no-one likes fighting southpaws!! Heck Romazn Kamrazin once said in an interview,he HATES fighting southpaws!
Who do you think is the best there? Obviously it's difficult to say.
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I've read and heard he beat Rivera up pretty badly,cut him,dropped him. Santos is a pretty good fighter,and a HUUUUGE 154 pounder(usually rehydrates to 170 plus). I'd LOVE to see him v Roman Karmazin(the best 154 pounder imo) although I think Santos is now the number 1 contender to fight Joachim Alcine.
Semi-related: I've seen the Argentinian Sergio Gabriel Martinez mentioned a few times on these boards, if I remember correctly mostly by you. Also, he somehow made it into the #2 spot at 154 (after PBF no less) at the Saddo Ratings-thing (I remember this, because it kinda stood out as weird/surprinsing).
Anyway, havent seen it on here, but he fought on saturday as well, as he beat someone with the proud record of 3-34-2 in Spain. Completely meaningless fight (except for staying busy), but perhaps worth a mention anyway.
Wow,thanks for the news. Yeah,Sergio Matrinez is an excellent fighter,a slick southpaw who travels around Europe getting decisions/wins in guys backyards. He has only lost once,to Margarito. I totally forgot about him,an excellent fighter. Heck,a Mayweather nut hugger on this site made a thread about him and how impressive he was,realised Margarito had beaten him and was too embaressed to respond ;D He,Santos,Karmazin,Forrest,all dangermen at 154.
Well, glad to be of help, if you hadnt seen the news. The thing about 154 is that we might call the above mentioned guys 'dangermen', but who are they dangerous for? If ODLH moves down (and PBF stays down), then they are more like the actual top guys, arent they?
Or are we talking about Cory Spinks as the man to beat? Or - as someone inexplicably suggested - Joel Julio for that matter?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
Anyway, I am surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Dzindiruk. He may not be a superstar, but he is a belt holder at 154, and he does already hold a victory Santos. It was in Germany however, and I havent seen the fight, so I venture to ask if it was a robbery? Or have people just forgotten the fight completely?
You have to also remember,Santos has been getting decisions in guys backyards. He beat Kotiev the first time,it was a robbery,upon review,the WBO ordered a rematch,which Santo won via KO..he also won decisions in the UK too. He lost his way a bit when one of his family died and I think Santos also ran someone over or somethin,again,likely to take it out of a fighter.
I forgot about Dzinziruk. I've seen that fight twice. He deserved to win and seems like a good fighter. Typical European fighter though,straight up and down,tight high held guard,stiff jab,very robotic though. I don't think Santos was well prepared for that fight though and I don't see why the champ would have to go and defend in the challengers backyard? I don't think we are going to see or hear much about Sergei,I don't think he'll leave Germany to be honest.
I agree with what you wrote about Dzindiruk. Although I do think he should be mentioned among the top guys, even if he refuses to leave Germany. Boxing is after all international, not just American (and while I understand your comment on champion/challenger, you should remember that Germany for obvious reasons is a much, much bigger economy/market than Puerto Rico).
Anyway, I was just surprised that Frozensolid named all those guys who could beat Santos, yet didnt name the one fighter who have already done exactly that.
Seriously,I have not been keeping track of 154 at all for a while but again,you are indeed correct,have a CC on me for knowing your stuff. I'm back in the swing of things. Joel Julio is there and Spinks is too. When I say dangermen,I mean in the sense that they could be top men in the division,dangerous to each other I guess.
Forzensolid was jut being an idiot to annoy me. He most likely has hardly seen any of those guys fight. The top guys appear to me to be:
Alcine
Spinks
Forrest
Santos
Karmazin
Julio
Dzinziruk
Martinez
Simms
I think some pretty decent matches could be arranged there but all these guys are plagued with injury/inactivity!! Also,f of those guys are southpaws,no-one likes fighting southpaws!! Heck Romazn Kamrazin once said in an interview,he HATES fighting southpaws!
Who do you think is the best there? Obviously it's difficult to say.
I'm not sure but arn't Alfonso Gomez and Julio Ceaser Chavez Jr fighting at 154 lb these days too? I wonder if our oiwn Bradley Pryce can get a title from amongst that group.
I think the division is one of the weaker ones but even so guys like Spinks, Forrest and Karmazin are still tough tests for a decent British domestic boxer.
I'd definitely fancy Santos to do well in this group though.
Actually Kasim Ouma has a great chance here if he ever decides what division he wants to be in, and of course guys like Sechew Powell and Ishe Smith will likely get another chance to impress in 2008.
It's actually not as weak a division as it first appears.
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Seriously,I have not been keeping track of 154 at all for a while but again,you are indeed correct,have a CC on me for knowing your stuff. I'm back in the swing of things. Joel Julio is there and Spinks is too. When I say dangermen,I mean in the sense that they could be top men in the division,dangerous to each other I guess.
Forzensolid was jut being an idiot to annoy me. He most likely has hardly seen any of those guys fight. The top guys appear to me to be:
Alcine
Spinks
Forrest
Santos
Karmazin
Julio
Dzinziruk
Martinez
Simms
I think some pretty decent matches could be arranged there but all these guys are plagued with injury/inactivity!! Also,f of those guys are southpaws,no-one likes fighting southpaws!! Heck Romazn Kamrazin once said in an interview,he HATES fighting southpaws!
Who do you think is the best there? Obviously it's difficult to say.
I'm not sure but arn't Alfonso Gomez and Julio Ceaser Chavez Jr fighting at 154 lb these days too? I wonder if our oiwn Bradley Pryce can get a title from amongst that group.
I think the division is one of the weaker ones but even so guys like Spinks, Forrest and Karmazin are still tough tests for a decent British domestic boxer.
I'd definitely fancy Santos to do well in this group though.
Actually Kasim Ouma has a great chance here if he ever decides what division he wants to be in, and of course guys like Sechew Powell and Ishe Smith will likely get another chance to impress in 2008.
It's actually not as weak a division as it first appears.
It is at least a very open division, but IMO it definitely lack some top guys. At the moment it is quite clear that anyone who can make 147 stays there (even it it takes some trouble), and anyone with a marketable name who cannot make 147 tries out 160 (even if they are less competitive there). I am not sure who is 'the leader' of 154, but perhaps it is not too unfair to go with the belt holders Forrest (who looked good against Baldomir), Spinks, Dzindiruk and Alcine?
Now that almost everyone have been mentioned in this thread, I'd like to point to James Kirkland. He is as good a guess as future main man as everone imo, especially if he keeps improving. As for domestic guys I actually believe that Evans Ashira (Kenyan, boxing out of Denmark) could make a splash - he may be mostly (but not fondly) remembered for going 12 with Calzghe, but he has looked good recently after moving down. One advantage with the division being 'weak' is that many of the top people have been meeting Danish boxers in the past (or at least been in talks to do so) or have had the same opponents as Danish fighters. For some reason that is not really the case at 147 :)
Outside the elite I'd also like to make a case for Christophe Canclaux. Very exciting to watch, although likely to be found out big time if truly stepping up. Current EBU champ Baysangurov is 22 and 16(12)-0 and might be a guy to watch as well. Havent seen him yet though.
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Re: Anyone see the Daniel Santos fight? Can he be a main man at 154?
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Seriously,I have not been keeping track of 154 at all for a while but again,you are indeed correct,have a CC on me for knowing your stuff. I'm back in the swing of things. Joel Julio is there and Spinks is too. When I say dangermen,I mean in the sense that they could be top men in the division,dangerous to each other I guess.
Forzensolid was jut being an idiot to annoy me. He most likely has hardly seen any of those guys fight. The top guys appear to me to be:
Alcine
Spinks
Forrest
Santos
Karmazin
Julio
Dzinziruk
Martinez
Simms
I think some pretty decent matches could be arranged there but all these guys are plagued with injury/inactivity!! Also,f of those guys are southpaws,no-one likes fighting southpaws!! Heck Romazn Kamrazin once said in an interview,he HATES fighting southpaws!
Who do you think is the best there? Obviously it's difficult to say.
I'm not sure but arn't Alfonso Gomez and Julio Ceaser Chavez Jr fighting at 154 lb these days too? I wonder if our oiwn Bradley Pryce can get a title from amongst that group.
I think the division is one of the weaker ones but even so guys like Spinks, Forrest and Karmazin are still tough tests for a decent British domestic boxer.
I'd definitely fancy Santos to do well in this group though.
Actually Kasim Ouma has a great chance here if he ever decides what division he wants to be in, and of course guys like Sechew Powell and Ishe Smith will likely get another chance to impress in 2008.
It's actually not as weak a division as it first appears.
It is at least a very open division, but IMO it definitely lack some top guys. At the moment it is quite clear that anyone who can make 147 stays there (even it it takes some trouble), and anyone with a marketable name who cannot make 147 tries out 160 (even if they are less competitive there). I am not sure who is 'the leader' of 154, but perhaps it is not too unfair to go with the belt holders Forrest (who looked good against Baldomir), Spinks, Dzindiruk and Alcine?
Now that almost everyone have been mentioned in this thread, I'd like to point to James Kirkland. He is as good a guess as future main man as everone imo, especially if he keeps improving. As for domestic guys I actually believe that Evans Ashira (Kenyan, boxing out of Denmark) could make a splash - he may be mostly (but not fondly) remembered for going 12 with Calzghe, but he has looked good recently after moving down. One advantage with the division being 'weak' is that many of the top people have been meeting Danish boxers in the past (or at least been in talks to do so) or have had the same opponents as Danish fighters. For some reason that is not really the case at 147 :)
Outside the elite I'd also like to make a case for Christophe Canclaux. Very exciting to watch, although likely to be found out big time if truly stepping up. Current EBU champ Baysangurov is 22 and 16(12)-0 and might be a guy to watch as well. Havent seen him yet though.
Kirkland has certainly looked exciting in his last couple Shobox outings, some power there and he likes to brawl so one to watch.
