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When MAB clocked him with that right hand to his jaw as the ref was splitting them up.
I don't know if Pac was overdoing it but he seemed to be wobbly and thats when the ref took a point from MAB. I was talking about this with a buddy of mine and he said as he remembered it, Manny looked hurt and that was MAB's chance to win it, all though in a very much unfair way.
Was he really hurt?
Manny wasn't hurt at all imo. Look at this reaction,he got punches,waited a bit,then started reeling around the ring. Faked it imo,smart too,had he not done that,maybe MAB would have gotten away with his cheapshot.
That was the first impression I got, but I had my doubts so I wanted to get you guys take on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC, you are right. MAB would've never been deducted a point had PACMAN not reacted like he did.
Basically, Manny was trying to get a point deduction to insure that he would win a decision against the suddenly "boxer" Barrera. It's like when Judah acted against Cotto those two times. Apparanetly, it works.
He also could have done that as his "bate" so to speak....Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
To make MAB come in for the finish.... THEN.....
SURPRISE!!! (I ain't hurt) And BAM! remember my left hand? :boxingmatch:
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
OMG mick that was exactly what I was thinking, right when pac was in the nuetral corner, if you notice he always touches the bottom ropes with his heels thats a sign of a prepared pacman not a hurt one. And I was screaming MAB DON'T FALL FOR IT, and good thing mab didn't.
I think it was either a bait, or pacman usingn the opportunity to deduct a point from mab cause that wasn't exactly the first time mab hits him illegally in that fight. i think it was in the tenth when mab clocks pac while in a mid hold in pacs rear head.
at first i thought he looked a little dazy but it was most likely a act to get a point deduction
Manny did the wise thing there.
Manny was more hurt in the 5th I think
by the way, I'm wondering what caused the cut in Barrera's upper right cheek. was it a legit cut or by a headbutt?
it was from the small brawl they had it the 11th, mab almost went down from that punch too.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
so that was result of the punch that staggered MAB. thanks JR. :coolclick:
that sequence was funny. what we saw there gentleman was a preview of pac the actor. hahahaha. he act so good he could sell rubber to a monk. but if it wasnt for that, mab could have gotten away with that cheap shot. he also did that to lure barerra to attack but mab was too smart not to. otherwise it could have been lights out for him.
Manny wasn't hurt at all. If you watch the replay, his legs don't buckle at all when he gets hit.
We missed this action live in the UK as our poor channel lost connection which was highly infuriating at the time.
I thought Paq was hurt as he did not have to act and did not look like it was gamesmanship on his part. He also has been KO in the past and thought maybe he is a bit chinny which gives other fighters in the division some hope.
you mean he cheated? :o noQuote:
Originally Posted by ds91
that's the beauty with my boy. he gives everybody a hope..... and then.......WHAM.
so, Barrera is a bitch hitting while breaking and manny isn't for trying to get a point deduction.
never said anything like that. in boxing, what barrera had done is sometimes acceptable and tolerated. Though, honestly, I believe Barrera deserved the point deduction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
headbutt.
no warning.
hit on break
fake injury
no warning, take a point.
Not going to argue with you.
i heard some rumor that Manny headbutted Barrera. I haven't seen it. Barrera's camp (according to news, PDI 10/10/07) is now saying the cut of Barrera was caused by a headbutt. why is it that they are complaining now? to justify the hit while on break? Barrera himself did not complain about it because he knew the cut was caused by a legit punch.
Sometimes a little acting is necessitated to ensure things don't get out of hand.
Other examples of fighters doing this are:
Ricky V Castillo; overacted when low blowed,
Zab V Cotto
And IMO PBF V Zab
let me just clarify Missy. headbutts are difficult to identify as intentional. when fighters fight they can't control and sometimes they can't see where their heads will hit.You know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
But Barrera's punching while on break is clearly intentional because he clearly knew that it was on break. some say, he did it to recover from that punch that staggered him in the 11th round. I don't know if it's true but Barrera did also something like that during MAB vs Pacman 1.
your not actually trying to compare the two are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
if someone sucker punches you in the face, how would you feel?
wouldn't you want that person to get what they deserve?
pac just made the ref do what he should do, fwock any warning when someone clearly suckered punch you becuase he can't hit you as much as your hitting him.
isn't it the same as diving in football to get someone booked or sent off? Explain how it isn't? Better still don't bother ;D
you still hate pac!? why? i remeber back then when you called him a monkey. i was the only pac fan back then here in saddo. hay people........Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
I even think the point penalty was extremely harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Manny has seriously got a bad case for the amateur dramatics!! ;D
Had to be done, Barrerawould have laid it on thick otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not much time to lay it on thick really. And its hardly as though Barrera was in desperation mode in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
It was relatively mild stuff. The ref should have let it go.
One more round to go and more of the same really.
If Pac was remotely hurt at that stage of the fight, and was feeling remotely tired, it was the right thing to do. He grabbed some time which Barrera could have used constructively, he ensured the points in the bag and imo guaranteed that Barrera couldnt foul anymore.
I still think he looks like a chimp, so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
:o ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Missy
Today has been an exceptionally controversial and confrontational day on Saddo's. This has only been a small example!
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Ah gotdam. That was cold. Heh heh heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
Pacquiao looked like Wacko when he is doing RBR ;)
haha yea boxers aren't suppose to look good, look at floyd he looks like a hairless monkey, his dad floyd sr looks like a cross breed of the predator an a ape. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Missy
i thought manny was faking it hard.........
I really don't want to sound like a MAB nutt hugger here but I wouldn't go so far as to say that shot from MAB was tottally intentional.
Yes it was clearly on the break but in the heat of the moment. These guys are not dancing out there, they are fighting. Sure you might feel the ref getting in the way but if you see that jaw right there ready to be hit it will be real hard to hold that punch back.
I also don't agree that the point should be taken away. A warning to MAB and time to recover for PAC would've been sufitient IMO.
Look at his legs the moment he gets punched. Does it buckle