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"In the meantime, Pacquiao’s close friend and confidant Rex “Wakee” Salud said the problem in arranging a rematch with World Boxing Council super featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez was that he was asking for too much.
But Marquez’s handlers have maintained that he is the champion and should not get less than the challenger even though the challenger is Pacquiao. Now they are certain to point to the fact that according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Barrera got the same $2-million purse as Pacquiao and Barrera had no belt and was beaten by Marquez in his last fight"
Listen to how fricking stupid that sounds. MAB,got $2million for the Pacman fight as did Pacman...but JMM wants the same amount,he's a champ,just beat MAB and it's too much??
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It looks like a fight with David Diaz seems to be of more importance to Pac. What a shame.
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If Marquez beats Juarez, then the stage is set for a huge fight between Pacquiao and Marquez.
Obviously Marquez wants this fight, because it's the one fight where he can make big money.
If Pacquiao chooses to fight someone else other than Marquez, Manny deserves to be criticized. I hope all the Mayweather haters who have criticized him over and over will be honest enough to cricitize Pacquiao as well.
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I just watched Pacquiao vs Marquez again and this fight needs to happen! I wouldn't understand why money or anything else could get in the way in each of the fighter's will to be the best. Not only are Marquez and Pacquiao the best in their division, but they are also top 3 in the pound-for-pound rankings. Once Marquez schools Juarez in November, settle the contract and get Marquez and Pacquiao in the ring again.
As many time as I've seen the first fight my scorecard never changes. I had Pacquiao winning the fight 115-114, but round-for-round, I had Pacquiao winning 3, Marquez winning 5, and 4 rounds that couldve gone either way so i gave it a draw. The decision of a draw was almost too perfect of a setup for a rematch, but it just didn't pull through.
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Understandable i think. If he's gonna fight JMM he'll want to make a lot of money for the difficult task, also he'll make negotiations awkward so JMM only accepts the fight if he really really wants it, as in enough to settle for less than Pac.
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JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
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JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
Thats the nature of the boxing Business. Doesn't make it right or fair tho.
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JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
If Marquez beats Juarez, then the stage is set for a huge fight between Pacquiao and Marquez.
Obviously Marquez wants this fight, because it's the one fight where he can make big money.
If Pacquiao chooses to fight someone else other than Marquez, Manny deserves to be criticized. I hope all the Mayweather haters who have criticized him over and over will be honest enough to cricitize Pacquiao as well.
Absolutely spot on as per usual bro. Had this been Mayweather,I myself would have criticised him as I have done in the past for not making the bigger fights. If Manny does the same,unbiased fans should voice their dissapointment too.
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Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as shit could be marketed to make an ass-load of money.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
I agree with you Gamo like you said Barrera got that amount coming off a loss to Marquez and had no belt and got one sided beating in the first fight with Manny so why should Marquez get shafted like that ?? he gave Pacquiao a hell of a fight it was FOTY and beat Barrera and fans everywhere want to see who really is the best so i don't understand why he can't get the same.
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
I agree with you Gamo like you said Barrera got that amount coming off a loss to Marquez and had no belt and got one sided beating in the first fight with Manny so why should Marquez get shafted like that ?? he gave Pacquiao a hell of a fight it was FOTY and beat Barrera and fans everywhere want to see who really is the best so i don't understand why he can't get the same.
Exactly.CC.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
I agree with you Gamo like you said Barrera got that amount coming off a loss to Marquez and had no belt and got one sided beating in the first fight with Manny so why should Marquez get shafted like that ?? he gave Pacquiao a hell of a fight it was FOTY and beat Barrera and fans everywhere want to see who really is the best so i don't understand why he can't get the same.
Exactly.CC.
:coolclick: back bro one question i want to ask is why there wasn't automatic rematch between Marquez and Pacquiao ?? right after there first fight ??
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
I agree with you Gamo like you said Barrera got that amount coming off a loss to Marquez and had no belt and got one sided beating in the first fight with Manny so why should Marquez get shafted like that ?? he gave Pacquiao a hell of a fight it was FOTY and beat Barrera and fans everywhere want to see who really is the best so i don't understand why he can't get the same.
Exactly.CC.
:coolclick: back bro one question i want to ask is why there wasn't automatic rematch between Marquez and Pacquiao ??
A number of reasons,the main being money again. Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
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The rematch did'nt happen on account of negotiations & also the fault fell on Nacho.
He did indeed go to Indo & get like some ridiculous sum $33,000 or some shit & a bunch of low blows & bullshit like that.
Marquez beat Chris John, IWO, & now refuses to go back due to the way they were treated in & out of the ring.
Apparently it's hard to collect a decision or your pay in Indo. ;D
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
I agree with you Gamo like you said Barrera got that amount coming off a loss to Marquez and had no belt and got one sided beating in the first fight with Manny so why should Marquez get shafted like that ?? he gave Pacquiao a hell of a fight it was FOTY and beat Barrera and fans everywhere want to see who really is the best so i don't understand why he can't get the same.
Exactly.CC.
:coolclick: back bro one question i want to ask is why there wasn't automatic rematch between Marquez and Pacquiao ??
A number of reasons,the main being money again. Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
thats what i was gonna say. he priced himself too much for fighting pac and he signed a 30 grand fight in indonesia. i guess now hes trying to make up for the money he could have made for fighting pac in a rematch
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Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
Not sure how true it is, but Beristein claims that they had an agreement to rematch Pac for an agreed-upon amount of money (I forget what the $ figure was). Then Pac's team came back and offered them less $$$ than they had originally agreed upon. So Marquez/Beristain rejected the fight on principle because they felt they were being lowballed.
Fighting John for 30K was definitely a dumb move though. Either get more money or fight an easy opponent in the states.
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Listen to how fricking stupid that sounds. MAB,got $2million for the Pacman fight as did Pacman...but JMM wants the same amount,he's a champ,just beat MAB and it's too much?? El Gamo
I missed where it says that Marquez wants $2 million to fight Pac.
I see that part where it mentions Barrera got the same $2 million that Pacquiao got, but maybe Marquez wants more than $2 million.
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My reasons the rematch probably didnt happen:
*Obviously the money posed as a problem which is the most known reason for the rematch not happening.
*Marquez beat (by decision) lesser known fighters in Orlando Solido and Victor Polo. Then eventually got screwed against Chris John. But in the end, that put a loss in his record and made him less credible to fight Pacquiao again. Pacquiao on the other hand viciously knocked out his next opponent, Fahsan Battery, then lost to Erik Morales in one hell of a fight. He then knocked out Hector Velazquez and Morales two times, plus a decision over Larios.
*On paper after they fought the first time the resume is not even close.
Marquez: W12 Solido, W12 Polo, L12 John, TKO7 Terdsak Jandaeng, KO9 Jimrex Jaca.
Pacquiao: TKO4 Battery, L12 Morales, TKO6 Velazquez, TKO10 Morales, W12 Larios, TKO3 Morales, TKO8 Solis.
All-in-all if you asked the general question on what happened with Marquez and Pacquiao after they fought you would hear "Marquez lost to some guy" and "Pacquiao won a violent trilogy against Morales."
*The promotional war between Golden Boy and Top Rank over Pacquiao also didn't help the cause for the rematch.
*Once Marquez beat Barrera, that put him on the map again and showed he has what it takes to get in the ring with Pacquiao. The public, aside from the die-hard boxing fans, needed concrete evidence the rematch would compare to the first. Marquez is set up to fight Juarez next. That would put another somewhat big name to his resume (even though Juarez is the luckiest and most undeserving fighter in the division) but it is still infact a name. There no better set-up for the rematch with Pacquiao.
Any thoughts on my theory?
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Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
Not sure how true it is, but Beristein claims that they had an agreement to rematch Pac for an agreed-upon amount of money (I forget what the $ figure was). Then Pac's team came back and offered them less $$$ than they had originally agreed upon. So Marquez/Beristain rejected the fight on principle because they felt they were being lowballed.
Fighting John for 30K was definitely a dumb move though. Either get more money or fight an easy opponent in the states.
I'm sure I've read that somewhere too but either way,the rematch must happen now. There are no more excuses.
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Listen to how fricking stupid that sounds. MAB,got $2million for the Pacman fight as did Pacman...but JMM wants the same amount,he's a champ,just beat MAB and it's too much?? El Gamo
I missed where it says that Marquez wants $2 million to fight Pac.
I see that part where it mentions Barrera got the same $2 million that Pacquiao got, but maybe Marquez wants more than $2 million.
Sorry BG my man,poor wording on my behalf. JMM wants the same amount as Manny,so whatever Manny gets,he wants the same,and I used MAB as a point(ie he recieved the same as Manny coming off a loss,no title and beaten before etc)
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My reasons the rematch probably didnt happen:
*Obviously the money posed as a problem which is the most known reason for the rematch not happening.
*Marquez beat (by decision) lesser known fighters in Orlando Solido and Victor Polo. Then eventually got screwed against Chris John. But in the end, that put a loss in his record and made him less credible to fight Pacquiao again. Pacquiao on the other hand viciously knocked out his next opponent, Fahsan Battery, then lost to Erik Morales in one hell of a fight. He then knocked out Hector Velazquez and Morales two times, plus a decision over Larios.
*On paper after they fought the first time the resume is not even close.
Marquez: W12 Solido, W12 Polo, L12 John, TKO7 Terdsak Jandaeng, KO9 Jimrex Jaca.
Pacquiao: TKO4 Battery, L12 Morales, TKO6 Velazquez, TKO10 Morales, W12 Larios, TKO3 Morales, TKO8 Solis.
All-in-all if you asked the general question on what happened with Marquez and Pacquiao after they fought you would hear "Marquez lost to some guy" and "Pacquiao won a violent trilogy against Morales."
*The promotional war between Golden Boy and Top Rank over Pacquiao also didn't help the cause for the rematch.
*Once Marquez beat Barrera, that put him on the map again and showed he has what it takes to get in the ring with Pacquiao. The public, aside from the die-hard boxing fans, needed concrete evidence the rematch would compare to the first. Marquez is set up to fight Juarez next. That would put another somewhat big name to his resume (even though Juarez is the luckiest and most undeserving fighter in the division) but it is still infact a name. There no better set-up for the rematch with Pacquiao.
Any thoughts on my theory?
An excellent ttheory but I disagree with 1 thing. JMM's loss to John was a poor decision but as you correctly stated,an L on his record, but guys like Larios,Fahsan etc had lost too so I don't think it was that big a deal. Heck lot of people did not know he lost to Johna and a few didn't even know they were fighting/have not seen it. So I don't think that loss does too much damage JMM's image so to speak.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
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Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
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Originally Posted by Master
Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
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Regarding MAB getting even money with Pac:
Remember that MAB is a crowd-drawer. He has a big fan base owing to his previous legendary fights with Morales and Hamed. Same goes with Morales. But JMM is NOT in the league of MAB and Morales in terms of fan-following. Why? Because JMM has a boring boxing style for most average boxing fans. That is why JMM had to accept a $50,000 fight in Indonesia because no promoter would want to promote his fight for greater than that amount.
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"In the meantime, Pacquiao’s close friend and confidant Rex “Wakee” Salud said the problem in arranging a rematch with World Boxing Council super featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez was that he was asking for too much.
But Marquez’s handlers have maintained that he is the champion and should not get less than the challenger even though the challenger is Pacquiao. Now they are certain to point to the fact that according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Barrera got the same $2-million purse as Pacquiao and Barrera had no belt and was beaten by Marquez in his last fight"
Listen to how fricking stupid that sounds. MAB,got $2million for the Pacman fight as did Pacman...but JMM wants the same amount,he's a champ,just beat MAB and it's too much??
yea thats true both mab and pac got 2million each, the problem with jmm is his not as big as pac or mab that is why his purse is an issue. Even though since jmm lost to chris john, he has been trying his best to be as popular and entertaining as mab and pac the sad reality is he just can't be as big as them.
yea jmm beat mab and he won majority of the rounds in the first fight with pac, but if he really wants to be as big as pac and mab he'll have to settle for less for now til he beats the man that has beaten everyone except himself.
I don't think there is any point in critizing pac if it isn't him that makes the deal, he isn't the one who would decide how much jmm will make. its up to the bosses not the fighters, unfortunetly for jmm the bosses don't think his as big as mab and pac so he shouldn't get more than any.
But didn't he settle for less against mab, but why not pac? could be cause he is taking a huge risk with having to escape pacs fury again.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
Absolutely right on the money on that reply! Welcome to the forum by the way...
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
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Welcome Key pool CC as I agree with you.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
Cause Oscar basically rules all in the boxing world! lol.
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
I agree with you Gamo like you said Barrera got that amount coming off a loss to Marquez and had no belt and got one sided beating in the first fight with Manny so why should Marquez get shafted like that ?? he gave Pacquiao a hell of a fight it was FOTY and beat Barrera and fans everywhere want to see who really is the best so i don't understand why he can't get the same.
Exactly.CC.
:coolclick: back bro one question i want to ask is why there wasn't automatic rematch between Marquez and Pacquiao ??
A number of reasons,the main being money again. Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
prove a point? like what? we rather fight this guy in indonesia for 30k than go through hell with you pacman for millions of dollars? nacho is a horrible manager, and i hope it isn't him again trying to make a point out of the fact that jmm beat mab and he won majority of the rounds in the first fight with pac so he should get more money then they will. it just doesn't work that way, cause even til now jmm is just not as big as mab or pac. for legacy sake jmm needs to settle for less becuase it isn't him that will sell the fight, he never really had the entire mexico country on his shoulders, mab and eric did. thats why they are so big, and ofcourse pac has philippines and majority of asia on his shoulders plus more from all over united states.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
So MAB is as big as Manny? I mean they recieved the same. And I think you're underestimating 2 things:
JMM has become much much more well known since being with Goldenboy and the win over MAB enhanced that. Secondly,asses on seats, so B Hop should always get lesser than all his oppnents? Winky too?As technically good as they are,they aren't exciting,so should they always get less? What about their titles?Their accomplishments?
Julius,JMM is now with GoldenBoy. They do the dealing now.And JMM is much more well known than he used to be thans to GoldenBoy. After his win over MAB,he'll have ALOT more Mexican fans.
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
exactly :coolclick:
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
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Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
This fights got to happen. If it doesnt then Pac will get the Mayweather treatment
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
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Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac.
Erm,forgive me if I'm wrong,but wasn't the first fight a draw? And didn't most think JMM won?
And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
Jmm's fights with MAB,Terdsak,Jaca were more exciting than Pac's recent fights. They were exciting fullstop.I'm presuming you have not seen these fights?
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
*** EDIT - FWOCK ME THIS THREAD IS BUSY, IVE TRYIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE 3 TIMES AND 7 MESSAGES HAVE BEEN PSOTED SINCE!!!!! ****
Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
I agree until the last sentence, jmm's fights are not boring the problem with him is people are not interested in him as much as the other elites such as pac mab and eric.
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
So MAB is as big as Manny? I mean they recieved the same. And I think you're underestimating 2 things:
JMM has become much much more well known since being with Goldenboy and the win over MAB enhanced that. Secondly,asses on seats, so B Hop should always get lesser than all his oppnents? Winky too?As technically good as they are,they aren't exciting,so should they always get less? What about their titles?Their accomplishments?
Julius,JMM is now with GoldenBoy. They do the dealing now.And JMM is much more well known than he used to be thans to GoldenBoy. After his win over MAB,he'll have ALOT more Mexican fans.
Bhop and Winky has promoters bidding to stage their fights. So yes, THEY ARE MARKETABLE and brings butts on the seats. JMM is just not at this level at this point of his career. But he will be, if he beats Pac. So I think his priority should be to get a FIGHT with Pac, REGARDLESS of the purse. If JMM makes the purse an issue, then JMM is again chickening out.
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
So MAB is as big as Manny? I mean they recieved the same. And I think you're underestimating 2 things:
JMM has become much much more well known since being with Goldenboy and the win over MAB enhanced that. Secondly,asses on seats, so B Hop should always get lesser than all his oppnents? Winky too?As technically good as they are,they aren't exciting,so should they always get less? What about their titles?Their accomplishments?
Julius,JMM is now with GoldenBoy. They do the dealing now.And JMM is much more well known than he used to be thans to GoldenBoy. After his win over MAB,he'll have ALOT more Mexican fans.
Bhop and Winky has promoters bidding to stage their fights. So yes, THEY ARE MARKETABLE and brings butts on the seats. JMM is just not at this level at this point of his career. But he will be, if he beats Pac. So I think his priority should be to get a FIGHT with Pac, REGARDLESS of the purse. If JMM makes the purse an issue, then JMM is again chickening out.
I don't understand your first sentence. And I don't understand why it should be only JMM's priority to make the fight. Like I said,ALOT of people scored the fight for JMM,he made Manny look 1 dimensional so surely Manny would want to beat this guy? And JMM chickening out is a silly silly statement. He clearly wants the fight. Why would you "chicken" out of a fight with a guy whom you COMPLETELY outboxed?
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
*** EDIT - FWOCK ME THIS THREAD IS BUSY, IVE TRYIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE 3 TIMES AND 7 MESSAGES HAVE BEEN PSOTED SINCE!!!!! ****
Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac.
Erm,forgive me if I'm wrong,but wasn't the first fight a draw? And didn't most think JMM won?
And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
Jmm's fights with MAB,Terdsak,Jaca were more exciting than Pac's recent fights. They were exciting fullstop.I'm presuming you have not seen these fights?
Hi El Gamo,
How many PAYING public watched JMMs fights against Terdsak, and Jaca? BUTTS ON SEATS! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! Now, compare that with the latest Pac versus MAB fight.
If you think JMM won the first fight with Pac, fine. I don't want to argue with that. But that isn't the point of my responses. If he is not afraid, TAKE THE FIGHT, regardless of the purse.
