Arum announces Pacman possibly wants David Diaz

As for 'the Pac Man', who decisively outpointed Barrera on Saturday night, like the Jeffersons, he could be movin' on up.

"Manny has told me he wants to go up to 135," Arum would say. "Now, I've been talking to Freddie Roach about that and if Freddie agrees - and I think he is agreeing - then we'd go to 135 and seek to capture a lightweight championship, probably against David Diaz."

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So let me get this straight,there's JMM,Soto/Guzman/winner of Diaz v Diaz. And he chooses David Diaz? This dam sure better not be correct!!

Fuck, I wanted to see David Diaz vs. Katsidis as was discussed for January. Manny needs to at least fight Marquez and then move up. He's ruining a couple of excellent matchups.

The real lightweight champion is Joel Casamayor. The second best lightweight is Julio Diaz. Juan Diaz is third. Michael Katsidis is fourth. David Diaz is fifth. Sad to see Pac go after the least threating one.

Dont no much about David Diaz at all. But mayb after Pac/D Diaz, the winner will face the winner of Ju Diaz/Julio Diaz, with the winner facing Casamayor

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

The real lightweight champion is Joel Casamayor. The second best lightweight is Julio Diaz. Juan Diaz is third. Michael Katsidis is fourth. David Diaz is fifth. Sad to see Pac go after the least threating one.

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well david is also a champ. i think its a good way to test the waters at lightweight. remember when pac went up to super featherweight he ran straight to morales and we know what happened there.

i also think juan comes ahead of julio.

If he doesn't rematch Marquez before moving up...he's running.

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If he doesn't rematch Marquez before moving up...he's running.

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Agreed, i really don't see any other reason for Pac not to take the fight. If he wins, its all gain, gains money, more glory over the Mexicans, another title, the repuatation of having cleaned up an ENTIRE division....
But by not fighting him tbh i think Pac may well be afraid of the possible loss.

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If he doesn't rematch Marquez before moving up...he's running.

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it all depends really on how well jmm does against juarez. if he completely dominates him then it would sure look that way on pac's part.

if memory serves me right, jmm was the one who first ran away from pac.

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If he doesn't rematch Marquez before moving up...he's running.

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it all depends really on how well jmm does against juarez. if he completely dominates him then it would sure look that way on pac's part.

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Agreed. If Oscar & Arum could work out money differences on Barrera vs Pac II then you know that they could on JMM vs Pac II.

I'm curious to see how Marquez does against Juarez. Marquez is entirely hittable of late due to his stand & trade style...only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

If he doesn't rematch Marquez before moving up...he's running.

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Not necessarily. Money plays as much a factor in getting fights made as anything. JMM apparently wants equal money. While he may be an equal fighter, he is not nearly as big a name or draw as Pacman and if he holds out for financial parity the fight won't happen.

JMM and his management need to get their heads out of their asses. They always seem to screw up big chances with idiotic business decisions. Whether he deserves as much money as Pac is besides the point. The point is that he is nearing the end of his career and he needs to make the big matches happen right away. So he might get less than Pac for the rematch. If he fights him and beats him it will open bigger doors and purses. I am not saying Manny is dying to have a rematch with Marquez either...he knows Juan poses a big threat to him. But right now JMM is not in the position to be making $$$ demands.

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The real lightweight champion is Joel Casamayor. The second best lightweight is Julio Diaz. Juan Diaz is third. Michael Katsidis is fourth. David Diaz is fifth. Sad to see Pac go after the least threating one.

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well david is also a champ. i think its a good way to test the waters at lightweight. remember when pac went up to super featherweight he ran straight to morales and we know what happened there.

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I think this hits the nail on the head!

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i also think juan comes ahead of julio.

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This will be settled soon enough! ;)

I hope he stays at 130 at least to fight JMM first, though.

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The real lightweight champion is Joel Casamayor. The second best lightweight is Julio Diaz. Juan Diaz is third. Michael Katsidis is fourth. David Diaz is fifth. Sad to see Pac go after the least threating one.

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well david is also a champ. i think its a good way to test the waters at lightweight. remember when pac went up to super featherweight he ran straight to morales and we know what happened there.

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Belt's don't mean shit anymore. David in reality is the like the 6th best Lightweight out there. If Pac wants to really test the waters at Lightweight, than let him face Nate Campbell

Except Nate was arrested for armed robbery...

Any updates on that?

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The real lightweight champion is Joel Casamayor. The second best lightweight is Julio Diaz. Juan Diaz is third. Michael Katsidis is fourth. David Diaz is fifth. Sad to see Pac go after the least threating one.

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well david is also a champ. i think its a good way to test the waters at lightweight. remember when pac went up to super featherweight he ran straight to morales and we know what happened there.

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Belt's don't mean shit anymore. David in reality is the like the 6th best Lightweight out there. If Pac wants to really test the waters at Lightweight, than let him face Nate Campbell

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urrrmmm, nate who? the one who was stopped by robbie peden twice? now why would anyone want to see that?

With respect to David Diaz,its almost a "Bully move" By pacs team.good to for them to recongnize he needs to move up.This is very calculated as now we get the comparisons on Diaz fights Vs.Morales & pac Promo galore.
What does a coyote do...circle the herd and pick off the weakest stragler!
Or You can call it..A "Bitch Move"

wow peeps are getting to quick to critize pac, for getting a tune up at 135 before he goes and fight the real deals. give the guy a break, his been moving up in weights and fighting the best directly let him have a tune up this time first at 135. And how in the world is pac running from jmm? its jmm's team that does not get the fact that you have to settle for what they offer you because even though you got abc title your not calling any shots becuase you won't put majority of the fans on the seats. Why can't jmm do what pac did in the first fight with mab and the first and second fight with eric, pac settle for less just to show he will beat them. How can anybody say pac is scared, didn't he even say he'd stay at 130 for valero and if jmm's team would finaly settle for what they are offered. it isn't pac thats not cooperating, his already made his pretty much just waiting for jmm to settle then the fight will be on no questions asked.

David Diaz would be a tune up, after that pac would get anybody up there. Is it a sin to have a tune up first?

I think you guys underestimate David Diaz. Sure he's not a great champion but he's naturally bigger than Pacquiao, holds a real belt, something Pacquiao hasn't done in a while and just beat Mexican legend and three time Pacman rival Erik Morales.

Plus he's got a naturally come forward slugger brawling never give up style that would make for an incredibly entertaining fight.

Sure Pacquaio might be dodging Marquez but stylistically Marquez is bad for Pac. I think Marquez beats Pacquaio with relative ease next time around and maybe Pacman and his team feel the same.

If he fights Marquez there's a chance that Marquez boxes and controls the fight, at least with Diaz Pac knows he's going to come forward and slug it out.

Quite honestly those are the kind of fights I want to see Pacquaio in.

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wow peeps are getting to quick to criticize pac, for getting a tune up at 135 before he goes and fight the real deals. give the guy a break, his been moving up in weights and fighting the best directly let him have a tune up this time first at 135. And how in the world is pac running from jmm? its jmm's team that does not get the fact that you have to settle for what they offer you because even though you got abc title your not calling any shots becuase you won't put majority of the fans on the seats. Why can't jmm do what pac did in the first fight with mab and the first and second fight with eric, pac settle for less just to show he will beat them. How can anybody say pac is scared, didn't he even say he'd stay at 130 for valero and if jmm's team would finaly settle for what they are offered. it isn't pac thats not cooperating, his already made his pretty much just waiting for jmm to settle then the fight will be on no questions asked.

David Diaz would be a tune up, after that pac would get anybody up there. Is it a sin to have a tune up first?

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Did some one actually say Pac Is Scared.?? Pac on A good night could Piss bullets and anyone that says he is scared is Re-Re Tarted :dunce: For the move up Its smart.

But To not Rematch Juan Manuel Marquez...What ever the Politics ...Is an Asterisk In my O'pine.

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The real lightweight champion is Joel Casamayor. The second best lightweight is Julio Diaz. Juan Diaz is third. Michael Katsidis is fourth. David Diaz is fifth. Sad to see Pac go after the least threating one.

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Took the words right out of my mouth.

It's one thing to move up to lightweight.

It's another thing to move up to lightweight and challenge a guy who could barely outpoint the corpse of Erik Morales.

I'm not saying he has to fight Casamayor in his first fight at 135, because that's a tough assignment. But as you pointed out, there are worthy opponents between Casamayor and David Diaz.

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The real lightweight champion is Joel Casamayor. The second best lightweight is Julio Diaz. Juan Diaz is third. Michael Katsidis is fourth. David Diaz is fifth. Sad to see Pac go after the least threating one.

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Took the words right out of my mouth.

It's one thing to move up to lightweight.

It's another thing to move up to lightweight and challenge a guy who could barely outpoint the corpse of Erik Morales.

I'm not saying he has to fight Casamayor in his first fight at 135, because that's a tough assignment. But as you pointed out, there are worthy opponents between Casamayor and David Diaz.

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For a first fight at the weight David Diaz represents a tough test. And after beating Erik Morales he's no longer the sixth best lightweight, he's ahead of Katsidis and Julio Diaz and Nate Campbell. Who have they beat? ???

pac was having a hard time losing weight. ex. mab at 130 during the weigh in then 138 at fight night pac was 144!

he lost back then because of the same issue, the only difference is that he forced himself to fight on that lower weight class.

when moving up aint it common sense to take a slighty easy opponent first just to test the waters or atleast get a feel at 135?

jmm had his chance to have a rematch with pac but instead fought for loose change. same thing is happening now, jmm is the one ducking pac not the other way around! heck he went down three times in the first round, yeah he recovered but was only able to get a draw out of it if it wasnt for a judges mistake in scoring.

what about guzman or marquez??? why david diaz???

im not impressed pac. better opposition would be nice

This is dissapointing but I'm not gonna start calling Manny a ducker. This is a guy who fought JMM when he didn't have too, a lot of fighters would have said what has JMM done, who is he, he doesn't even have a big win. And JMM's the one who didn't take the rematch, well more Nacho than JMM but still Manny was willing to take the fight. As long as he follows it up by fighting one of the top guys at 135 its allright with me.

Gotta agree that a tune-up is always a good idea when moving up. Those few extra pounds make a world of difference - besides, every fight doesn't have to be a superfight! It's when fighters consistently dodge the bigger fights that sucks. David Diaz would be a great measuring stick for future success at 135.

I still wanna see the JMM rematch. Sounds like neither side is really wanting it, though.

To me this is a fight that woul;d make sense both in selling tickets and in interest for boxing fans. PAcquiao is a legend in the making stepping up to a weight he's more comfortable with as he gets older, and Diaz is big and strong, and has come off a good, but close, win over Morales.

Pcquiao would clearly be a huge favourite, possibly looking at the fight as a step to better things in the division, but Diaz could give him a workout, and cause him a problem or two with his power.

Well that would be the end of the Lightweight Diaz domination anyway ;D