JT Rock vs. AdamGB: MMWC Light Heavy Debate Fight.

Post only Welcome from:
JT Rock. AdamGB. HitmanDonny. ICB. Porkypara.

1)12 Posts each (as rounds.)
2)No assault on the other posters Character.
3)Referee will be HitmanDonny. Judges; ICB, Porkypara and HitmanDonny.
4)Winner will walk away with the MMWC LH Title.
5)Start time at the Champions (JT's) discretion.
5)All other communication by PM.
6)Subject will be revealed before debate begins

I'LL FIGHT BALBOA ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!

Bump.

This bout of Two of Saddo's most repauatable Light Heavyweight's will begin whenever the two combatants are ready.
The topic will be "the greatest Light Heavyweight boxer of all time."

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This bout of Two of Saddo's most repauatable Light Heavyweight's will begin whenever the two combatants are ready.
The topic will be "the greatest Light Heavyweight boxer of all time."

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Alright lets do this.....

JT would u like to begin or do you want Adam to go first?

I'm gonna go, this one is hands down easy... Roy Jones jr is the best Lightheavyweight to Box, Imo the only one that could have given him trouble would have been an up incoming Michael Moorer, other than that a Prime Roy jones gets beat by no one

S***... how am I supposed to make an argument when I agree 100%? :P

I knew this was gonna happen if the topic was the LHW division. Now I'm just gonna sucker punch JT and steal this round:

JT smells (or will this get me DQd? ;))

No adam not Dq'd but it will get a stern look from the ref.
Glad you showed!
Round 2

1-0 JT ROCK.

That was easy ;D Lets talk about George Foreman and why I think he is the quite possibly the 3rd best Heavyweight of all time

Shoot, I love big george but I think that's too high. In terms of pure boxing ability there are a lot of better fighters... A prime Tyson, Lewis, Ali and Joe Louis are all better in the ring in my opinion.

He hit like a mule and had an amazing late career but prime for prime there's at least 4 people above him in those stakes. ;)

Ali showed us that he didn't have much of a boxing brain and of you could hang in there with him you could beat him.

I'm in awe of his come back career but the division was weak at the time (which still doesn't greatly cheapen what he did) and had things happened slightly differently against Moorer it would of been a nice try but a lopsided UD.

I hate having to argue against George but 3rd best is just too high...

I got to go fellas but keep debating and i'll have a look tommorow goodluck guys peace.

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Shoot, I love big george but I think that's too high. In terms of pure boxing ability there are a lot of better fighters... A prime Tyson, Lewis, Ali and Joe Louis are all better in the ring in my opinion.

He hit like a mule and had an amazing late career but prime for prime there's at least 4 people above him in those stakes. ;)

Ali showed us that he didn't have much of a boxing brain and of you could hang in there with him you could beat him.

I'm in awe of his come back career but the division was weak at the time (which still doesn't greatly cheapen what he did) and had things happened slightly differently against Moorer it would of been a nice try but a lopsided UD.

I hate having to argue against George but 3rd best is just too high...

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Albeit a a weak division at the time George was in his mid 40's when he beat the Universally recognized Heavyweight champ of the world, not a fringe abc belt but George was the man.

He put an azz whoopin on Frazier 2x and Norton as well as Chuvalo(who was as durable as there was) He got off the Floor vs Lyle and he lost to an underrated Jimmy Young. No shame in losing to Ali who was the greatest, but you be hard pressed to find a heavy with a better resume.

In his 2nd career he never tasted the canvas despite fighting guys he was usually 12 years older than, his Chin was spectacular and his heart was only rivaled by Holyfields. He got screwed vs Briggs and Morrison fought the Pussiest of a fight. George accomplishments are only rivaled by Joe Louis and Ali, Marciano isint even in the Convo

He did put a beat down on Joe... but Joe's style was made for that... like driving a jeep into a freight train. he had heart and strength but that alone isn't going to make him a top 3 all time great heavyweight. He was very limited in terms of boxing. Which does make his later acheivements even more outstanding. top 10, maybe even top 5.

Maybe I'm just upset because the new george foreman grill we got is shite compared to the old one.

This debate needs to be stopped. SoniaGB is getting her ass kicked

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By the way I nominated you as my trainer, I needed the best damn trainer only rivaled by Roger Mayweather ;D

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Yawn... if you're going to talk shit then at least try to back it up. I thought in the ghetto you only talked the talk if you could walk the walk and pull the spud gun heat out?

At least that's what I thought when I saw that picture that definitely wasn't you dressed up on Halloween.

Plenty of other threads you can derail, but you pick this one? Don't you have some one else to stalk?

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He did put a beat down on Joe... but Joe's style was made for that... like driving a jeep into a freight train. he had heart and strength but that alone isn't going to make him a top 3 all time great heavyweight. He was very limited in terms of boxing. Which does make his later acheivements even more outstanding. top 10, maybe even top 5.

Maybe I'm just upset because the new george foreman grill we got is shite compared to the old one.

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when you look at his resume you have to consider his whole body of work, his record isint split in 2, its like everyone elses... In the 90's he had a good jab, and great ring generalship with the discipline to walk his opponent down and cut off the ring effeciantly and controlled, his defense improved by leaps utilizing the cross arm..

George's desire and will was 2nd to none and he left such a mark on the sport that was something of a Folk hero, I rate alltime great in terms of record, quality of opposition and achievment coupled with impact on the sport...

To me it really dosent matter who was tailor made for who, Frazier was considered a worldbeater at the time and George put one of the most brutal beatings ever in a boxing ring 2x

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Yawn... if you're going to talk shit then at least try to back it up. I thought in the ghetto you only talked the talk if you could walk the walk and pull the spud gun heat out?

At least that's what I thought when I saw that picture that definitely wasn't you dressed up on Halloween.

Plenty of other threads you can derail, but you pick this one? Don't you have some one else to stalk?

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I been picked to judge these little debates. And from what I seen is that your getting your ass kicked. It's a simple observation. No need for you to take offense. But you can't help it. You still the same thin-skinned bitch as before. LOL

Thin skinned? nah. Can't remember ever biting at you random trash talking.
You're clutching at straws, thin skinned? fucking like to be. How are you going to offend some one you don't know? by calling me Sonia ??? it's actually got to
a) mean something to me and b) be based on... fact?

I just want you to back up what you're saying. If your judging fine. God knows who the fuck picked you though. I must have missed that. they normally pick judges who judge the fights and don't just pick their favourite boxer.

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Thin skinned? nah. Can't remember ever biting at you random trash talking.
You're clutching at straws, thin skinned? fucking like to be. How are you going to offend some one you don't know? by calling me Sonia ??? it's actually got to
a) mean something to me and b) be based on... fact?

I just want you to back up what you're saying. If your judging fine. God knows who the fuck picked you though. I must have missed that. they normally pick judges who judge the fights and don't just pick their favourite boxer.

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It is based on fact. And I have no preference between you and JT. May the most mediocre debater win. And JT is winning.

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Thin skinned? nah. Can't remember ever biting at you random trash talking.
You're clutching at straws, thin skinned? F****** like to be. How are you going to offend some one you don't know? by calling me Sonia  ??? it's actually got to
a) mean something to me and b) be based on... fact?

I just want you to back up what you're saying. If your judging fine. God knows who the F*** picked you though. I must have missed that. they normally pick judges who judge the fights and don't just pick their favourite boxer.

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It is based on fact.  And I have no preference between you and JT.  May the most mediocre debater win.  And JT is winning. 

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no one champions mediocre better than you flapjack.. Why you gotta take shots at me  ??? like you got something to say, please all gettin up in my S*** talking like you gonna do something  >:mad sit your azz down jBuster Brown. Cause you next, I hope you debate better than you predict, the only thing you predicting right is that it raining while your dumass is already wet

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He did put a beat down on Joe... but Joe's style was made for that... like driving a jeep into a freight train. he had heart and strength but that alone isn't going to make him a top 3 all time great heavyweight. He was very limited in terms of boxing. Which does make his later acheivements even more outstanding. top 10, maybe even top 5.

Maybe I'm just upset because the new george foreman grill we got is shite compared to the old one.

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when you look at his resume you have to consider his whole body of work, his record isint split in 2, its like everyone elses... In the 90's he had a good jab, and great ring generalship with the discipline to walk his opponent down and cut off the ring efficiently and controlled, his defense improved by leaps utilizing the cross arm..

George's desire and will was 2nd to none and he left such a mark on the sport that was something of a Folk hero, I rate alltime great in terms of record, quality of opposition and achievment coupled with impact on the sport...

To me it really dosent matter who was tailor made for who, Frazier was considered a worldbeater at the time and George put one of the most brutal beatings ever in a boxing ring 2x

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It should matter though. you can't go off just one fight. Those fights where the best George has looked against high level opposition by far and both times it has been against some one perfect for him to fight against.

I'd rank Ali at number one, for boxing ability, athleticism, achievements and impact on the sport (which big George has arguably done as much in, possibly more). Tyson second, no one can deny his boxing ability when he was being handled properly and I think that his decline often makes people overlook his achievements. Third would be Lewis, he's had defeats where he's dropped the ball but I've always rated his style and he was the man for a long time. 4th is an open spot for me. Possibly Marciano because of how long he was champion (this could end up being a whole other debate) then for the 5th spot it's a toss between Louis and George. the reason I don't have George higher is because he's never been the division. All the other guys listed became the man and stayed that way for longer than George did.

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Thin skinned? nah. Can't remember ever biting at you random trash talking.
You're clutching at straws, thin skinned? F****** like to be. How are you going to offend some one you don't know? by calling me Sonia ??? it's actually got to
a) mean something to me and b) be based on... fact?

I just want you to back up what you're saying. If your judging fine. God knows who the F*** picked you though. I must have missed that. they normally pick judges who judge the fights and don't just pick their favourite boxer.

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It is based on fact. And I have no preference between you and JT. May the most mediocre debater win. And JT is winning.

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no one champions mediocre better than you flapjack.. Why you gotta take shots at me ??? like you got something to say, please all gettin up in my shit talking like you gonna do something >:mad sit your azz down junior while the men have at it

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Settle down killer. I got you winning. And I'm just taking shots at you, cuz I ain't got shit to do. I still got an hour till I pick up my sons from school. Got kill time some how. And don't you start with this sensitive act as well. I already got Sonia crying. Don't need you too.

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Thin skinned? nah. Can't remember ever biting at you random trash talking.
You're clutching at straws, thin skinned? F****** like to be. How are you going to offend some one you don't know? by calling me Sonia ??? it's actually got to
a) mean something to me and b) be based on... fact?

I just want you to back up what you're saying. If your judging fine. God knows who the F*** picked you though. I must have missed that. they normally pick judges who judge the fights and don't just pick their favourite boxer.

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It is based on fact. And I have no preference between you and JT. May the most mediocre debater win. And JT is winning.

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no one champions mediocre better than you flapjack.. Why you gotta take shots at me ??? like you got something to say, please all gettin up in my S*** talking like you gonna do something >:mad sit your azz down junior while the men have at it

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Settle down killer. I got you winning. And I'm just taking shots at you, cuz I ain't got S*** to do. I still got an hour till I pick up my sons from school. Got kill time some how. And don't you start with this sensitive act as well. I already got Sonia crying. Don't need you too.

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I'm only playin man, just havin some fun its all good. You know I like to talk the shiiiiiiiit

JT is winning this debate so far you both got 8 more posts left so if you want to try and comeback Adam you can continue this debate but you have 8 more posts so its up to you.

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He did put a beat down on Joe... but Joe's style was made for that... like driving a jeep into a freight train. he had heart and strength but that alone isn't going to make him a top 3 all time great heavyweight. He was very limited in terms of boxing. Which does make his later acheivements even more outstanding. top 10, maybe even top 5.

Maybe I'm just upset because the new george foreman grill we got is shite compared to the old one.

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when you look at his resume you have to consider his whole body of work, his record isint split in 2, its like everyone elses... In the 90's he had a good jab, and great ring generalship with the discipline to walk his opponent down and cut off the ring efficiently and controlled, his defense improved by leaps utilizing the cross arm..

George's desire and will was 2nd to none and he left such a mark on the sport that was something of a Folk hero, I rate alltime great in terms of record, quality of opposition and achievment coupled with impact on the sport...

To me it really dosent matter who was tailor made for who, Frazier was considered a worldbeater at the time and George put one of the most brutal beatings ever in a boxing ring 2x

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It should matter though. you can't go off just one fight. Those fights where the best George has looked against high level opposition by far and both times it has been against some one perfect for him to fight against.

I'd rank Ali at number one, for boxing ability, athleticism, achievements and impact on the sport (which big George has arguably done as much in, possibly more). Tyson second, no one can deny his boxing ability when he was being handled properly and I think that his decline often makes people overlook his achievements. Third would be Lewis, he's had defeats where he's dropped the ball but I've always rated his style and he was the man for a long time. 4th is an open spot for me. Possibly Marciano because of how long he was champion (this could end up being a whole other debate) then for the 5th spot it's a toss between Louis and George. the reason I don't have George higher is because he's never been the division. All the other guys listed became the man and stayed that way for longer than George did.

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I dont rate Lewis all that high, he was good and he grew on me after he retired. Lewis is just waited for Tyson and Holyfield but didnt fight them till they were war torn and out of their primes, his career defining fight was against a shot uniterested past it Tyson.

George fought the best of the best in the Golden Era and was 3-1 even Ali got beat by Norton and Frazier.He fought and beat a prime Moorer for the Heavweight championship of the world. George didnt have special technical skills but he overachieved with what he had... Power, Desire, Heart

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Thin skinned? nah. Can't remember ever biting at you random trash talking.
You're clutching at straws, thin skinned? F****** like to be. How are you going to offend some one you don't know? by calling me Sonia ??? it's actually got to
a) mean something to me and b) be based on... fact?

I just want you to back up what you're saying. If your judging fine. God knows who the F*** picked you though. I must have missed that. they normally pick judges who judge the fights and don't just pick their favourite boxer.

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It is based on fact.

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Lets pretend it is based on fact and my name is Sonia.
How is that supposed wind me up ??? You've got me confused now... this fights fixed isn't it. JT bribed the judges to disorientate me.

Either that or calling some one by their name is how you trash talk in your ghetto? Or maybe it's not fact? in which case you best go back to 'name calling for dummys' and let me know when you think you got something.

I always hear how you're some legendary trash talker but it must be about a year since you used the ineffective, 1st grade 'girls name' trick on me. switch it up. see if it will work. you're fooling yourself if you think it's bothered me. I just wanted you to put some weight behind what you said. If your name calling upsets me more than your inability to insult me does I'll be the first to let you know.

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He did put a beat down on Joe... but Joe's style was made for that... like driving a jeep into a freight train. he had heart and strength but that alone isn't going to make him a top 3 all time great heavyweight. He was very limited in terms of boxing. Which does make his later acheivements even more outstanding. top 10, maybe even top 5.

Maybe I'm just upset because the new george foreman grill we got is shite compared to the old one.

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when you look at his resume you have to consider his whole body of work, his record isint split in 2, its like everyone elses... In the 90's he had a good jab, and great ring generalship with the discipline to walk his opponent down and cut off the ring efficiently and controlled, his defense improved by leaps utilizing the cross arm..

George's desire and will was 2nd to none and he left such a mark on the sport that was something of a Folk hero, I rate alltime great in terms of record, quality of opposition and achievment coupled with impact on the sport...

To me it really dosent matter who was tailor made for who, Frazier was considered a worldbeater at the time and George put one of the most brutal beatings ever in a boxing ring 2x

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It should matter though. you can't go off just one fight. Those fights where the best George has looked against high level opposition by far and both times it has been against some one perfect for him to fight against.

I'd rank Ali at number one, for boxing ability, athleticism, achievements and impact on the sport (which big George has arguably done as much in, possibly more). Tyson second, no one can deny his boxing ability when he was being handled properly and I think that his decline often makes people overlook his achievements. Third would be Lewis, he's had defeats where he's dropped the ball but I've always rated his style and he was the man for a long time. 4th is an open spot for me. Possibly Marciano because of how long he was champion (this could end up being a whole other debate) then for the 5th spot it's a toss between Louis and George. the reason I don't have George higher is because he's never been the division. All the other guys listed became the man and stayed that way for longer than George did.

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I dont rate Lewis all that high, he was good and he grew on me after he retired. Lewis is just waited for Tyson and Holyfield but didnt fight them till they were war torn and out of their primes, his career defining fight was against a shot uniterested past it Tyson.

George fought the best of the best in the Golden Era and was 3-1 even Ali got beat by Norton and Frazier.He fought and beat a prime Moorer for the Heavweight championship of the world. George didnt have special technical skills but he overachieved with what he had... Power, Desire, Heart

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You've sort of hit it spot on for me. His achievements are greater than his talents. But he wanted it. If I could have him as number 3 for this alone I could but he comes up too short compared to the other champions in other departments to quiet make the number 3 spot in my book. It's late so I got to sleep so I'm gonna have to take an extra long sit on my stool ;)