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John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before or whether this is the first time its been mooted, but in a BBC interview about Dudy's 8 December bout against Noe Tulio Gonzalez it says that it's a tune-up fight for his step into the big leagues against Pavlik in March at Madison Square Garden.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7034078.stm
Personally, I think Duddy would show his usual grit and determination but would be outclassed and outgunned against Pavlik, who would stop him in the middle rounds.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before or whether this is the first time its been mooted, but in a BBC interview about Dudy's 8 December bout against Noe Tulio Gonzalez it says that it's a tune-up fight for his step into the big leagues against Pavlik in March at Madison Square Garden.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7034078.stm
Personally, I think Duddy would show his usual grit and determination but would be outclassed and outgunned against Pavlik, who would stop him in the middle rounds.
Yea i've seen this and i reckon Pavlik will dominate Duddy and stop him in the 6th.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
Geeezusss boxers jump the gun these days......john duddy in march ??? Did they say who he'll be fighting after that as well, duddy has his own fight to worry about and he's talking about fighting pavlik in march already ??
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Originally Posted by Mar
Geeezusss boxers jump the gun these days......john duddy in march ??? Did they say who he'll be fighting after that as well, duddy has his own fight to worry about and he's talking about fighting pavlik in march already ??
I agree totally, the opponent in front of him, Noe Tulio Gonzalez Alcoba has only one loss on his record, and that was by UD against Felix Sturm in Germany, so he is not to be underestimated. I reckon billing this fight in Dublin as a tune-up might see him end up with a bit of a tough fight on his hand that's more than that. And he still needs to convince the Irish fans I think, because he wasn't fantastic last time out.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
Does anyone have any doubts about what the final outcome of this fight will be?
I don't want to see Duddy get destroyed. :(
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
Duddy is ok...he's nothing spectacular but he's a blue collar brawler and a hard worker....not the type that will give Pavlik any trouble.
Andy Lee given the propper time will be trouble for ANYONE
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Duddy is ok...he's nothing spectacular but he's a blue collar brawler and a hard worker....not the type that will give Pavlik any trouble.
Andy Lee given the propper time will be trouble for ANYONE
No wonder all the guys at Kronk weren't impressed by JT. Andy was t the top dog at the gym, even when JT was champ, and I doubt he did much in training to show he was any better than Andy. I like Duddy alot, but I'm guessing Andy Lee is going to be the man at MW once Pavlik lets up on the diet and moves up to 168 or 175.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
I hope Duddy's camp doesn't do like Miranda and just look past their opponent and get smoked in the fight. Miranda did the same with Pavlik and got a whoopin'.
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This really upsets me >:mad who the hell has John Duddy fought to deserve this fight and what the hell happen with the immediate Taylor rematch. I hope Taylor hasn't changed his mind. If this Duddy and Pavlik fight do go on Duddy is going to get his whooped because he is not ready and is only hurting himself.
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I think it's both a great oppertunity and a great big disaster waiting to happen if they do this fight....John Duddy isn't ready for the big time....and Kelly Pavlik bitched about being ducked by everyone and what does he do but go out a find the least deserving guy to pummel just so he looks good.
FUCK Pavlik if he takes this fight! Arthur Abraham, Felix Sturm, a rematch with Jermain...those are the fights to be made.
Duddy is undefeated but his biggest win was almost a loss to an ANCIENT Yory Boy Campas!
If Kelly wants someone to pad his record or take it easy with then John Duddy is still pretty far down the list
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I think it's both a great oppertunity and a great big disaster waiting to happen if they do this fight....John Duddy isn't ready for the big time....and Kelly Pavlik bitched about being ducked by everyone and what does he do but go out a find the least deserving guy to pummel just so he looks good.
FUCK Pavlik if he takes this fight! Arthur Abraham, Felix Sturm, a rematch with Jermain...those are the fights to be made.
Duddy is undefeated but his biggest win was almost a loss to an ANCIENT Yory Boy Campas!
If Kelly wants someone to pad his record or take it easy with then John Duddy is still pretty far down the list
I would agree with you, but I seriously doubt Abraham and Strum would accept a fight with Pavlik. I remember Strum bitching out against a Taylor fight. Strum seems to be happy staying in Europe defending against mediocre to poor level opponents.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
If this were just a stay busy fight for Pavlik that could be done this year, then I wouldn't mind. But that obviously can't happen so I'm a little upset that Pavlik would want it for March. Alan Greene should have a shot at Pavlik before Duddy, or let Greene and Duddy go at it 1st, then the winner can get Kelly. Not to mention the rematch with JT, that should be done before anything, if Taylor's guys still want it.
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Lyle you are most definitely right. I agree with everything you said especially the F@#k Pavik part!
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
....it's fine if Kelly wants an easy fight for his first defense but Taylor took on Hopkins in the rematch and then Winky Wright....Kelly is going to have to have big names put infront of him sometime so why not now?
You at least try to get the fights done....if not, if I was Kelly's management I would entertain going to 168 immediately for no reason other than that is where the big guys are: Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Mundine, Bute, Froch, etc. And Say what you will about those guys but the division is currently deeper than middleweight where the top guys Kelly can fight are: Taylor in a rematch, Abraham, Miranda in a rematch, Sturm, Corey Spinks (who really has the style to beat Kelly if he wore a helmet or something, that might help), Ouma, Karmazin, Sylvester, Joval, and so on.
Kelly has plenty of options but very few megafight options at 160
If Taylor is more mobile and jabs more then he's going to be tougher for Pavlik to beat. Kelly looks a little slow a foot which is not uncommon for punchers with that kind of power
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....it's fine if Kelly wants an easy fight for his first defense but Taylor took on Hopkins in the rematch and then Winky Wright....Kelly is going to have to have big names put infront of him sometime so why not now?
Pavlik's destroyed both Miranda & Taylor back to back...I think he'd be fine with a lax showing against a step downer...he's earned it.
As far as nothing at middleweight left...Pavlik could take on Abraham, Wright, Sturm, Taylor, & then move up if he needed. Those four fights strung out with W's to boot coupled with the fact that he's undefeated, already taken out Miranda/Taylor back to back, & then has knocked out everyone he's faced outside of 2-3 folks...that's one hell of a career prior to moving up to 168lbs.
Think about it.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
Duddy has done more than alot of guys who have gotten shots. Prior to Pavliks win over Miranda, Duddy had a pretty much equal resume to Pavlik, other than Pavlik's better amature background. Like it or not, Duddy is a draw, and money talks. He is an exciting fighter and he's well marketed, a bit like a young Gatti at MW. He'll never be a top 5, but he can be a gatekeeper for the top level. I promise that Pavlik will make a heck of a lot more fighting Duddy at MSG on St Patricks day than he will fighting Strum or Abraham on Kaiser Wilhelm Day, or whatevery day the Germans like a to make a big party.
Duddy is going to lose, and Sturm and Abraham will still be around. Let the guy have a fairly easy defense that buys him a house and his kids college fund before he goes out and cleans up the division. Did PBF take this much heat for fighting Gatti?
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I think it's both a great oppertunity and a great big disaster waiting to happen if they do this fight....John Duddy isn't ready for the big time....and Kelly Pavlik bitched about being ducked by everyone and what does he do but go out a find the least deserving guy to pummel just so he looks good.
F*** Pavlik if he takes this fight! Arthur Abraham, Felix Sturm, a rematch with Jermain...those are the fights to be made.
Duddy is undefeated but his biggest win was almost a loss to an ANCIENT Yory Boy Campas!
If Kelly wants someone to pad his record or take it easy with then John Duddy is still pretty far down the list
If anyone deserves an easy fight it should be Pavlik, But he is fighting an undefeated fighter instead.
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The way things look it seems Taylor does not want a rematch which i can not blame him for and Duddy i do not know much about but a easy fight not that big of a deal but i would rather see him fight Abraham or Strum i do not think he should move up he should clear the division before moving
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....I don't think Taylor wants a rematch at 160.....168 might be different but I doubt Pavlik will leave when he just won the title at 160
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....I don't think Taylor wants a rematch at 160.....168 might be different but I doubt Pavlik will leave when he just won the title at 160
I would'nt leave 160lbs unless I just had to...as in could'nt trim down for it.
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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
If anyone deserves an easy fight it should be Pavlik, But he is fighting an undefeated fighter instead.
Totally agree.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
Duddy couldn't even beat grandfather Luis Ramon Campas convincing he got a gift decision in that fight i thought Campas won it by 2 points when people like Eric Regan who is a journeyman shut out Campas Duddy vs Pavlik will be a slaughter.
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pavlik wins by of course KO !!
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
Duddy couldn't even beat grandfather Luis Ramon Campas convincing he got a gift decision in that fight i thought Campas won it by 2 points when people like Eric Regan who is a journeyman shut out Campas Duddy vs Pavlik will be a slaughter.
Nah, he won that fight, by two points, for sure. That was not a gift decision. He gave way some rounds early, but he won the fight. Duddy let the fight get too close by making it a war, and the played in Yory Boy's strenghts, even at his age he bang on the inside and knows how to fight.
Still, he's going to get a beating, because he gets hit way too much and Pavlik will hit him harder than anybody has hit him before. Any Yory Boy rocked him a few times. When Pavlik hits him like that, it's going to be over.
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This one's gonna be ugly, Duddy's just too easy to hit
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Originally Posted by SeanE
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
Duddy couldn't even beat grandfather Luis Ramon Campas convincing he got a gift decision in that fight i thought Campas won it by 2 points when people like Eric Regan who is a journeyman shut out Campas Duddy vs Pavlik will be a slaughter.
Nah, he won that fight, by two points, for sure. That was not a gift decision. He gave way some rounds early, but he won the fight. Duddy let the fight get too close by making it a war, and the played in Yory Boy's strenghts, even at his age he bang on the inside and knows how to fight.
Still, he's going to get a beating, because he gets hit way too much and Pavlik will hit him harder than anybody has hit him before. Any Yory Boy rocked him a few times. When Pavlik hits him like that, it's going to be over.
Duddy got a gift. Campas beat that boy's ass
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Originally Posted by SeanE
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
Duddy couldn't even beat grandfather Luis Ramon Campas convincing he got a gift decision in that fight i thought Campas won it by 2 points when people like Eric Regan who is a journeyman shut out Campas Duddy vs Pavlik will be a slaughter.
Nah, he won that fight, by two points, for sure. That was not a gift decision. He gave way some rounds early, but he won the fight. Duddy let the fight get too close by making it a war, and the played in Yory Boy's strenghts, even at his age he bang on the inside and knows how to fight.
Still, he's going to get a beating, because he gets hit way too much and Pavlik will hit him harder than anybody has hit him before. Any Yory Boy rocked him a few times. When Pavlik hits him like that, it's going to be over.
Actually quite alot of people thought Campas won that fight 3 members here i know who think the same as me are Lords Gym, Violent Demise, CutMeMick, Recently Campas struggled with the journeyman off the contender Norberto Bravo and went 10 tough rounds with Norberto Bravo so that just goes to show you what sort of level Duddy is at getting gift off an old Luis Ramon Campas who was only ever goodish even in his prime.
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it wasn't like it was a robbery, it was pretty close but I thought Yory boy should have got the decision. Duddy just has way too tough a time with guys like an old Yory boy and even Freddie Cuevas to make me think he has a chance in this one.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
it wasn't like it was a robbery, it was pretty close but I thought Yory boy should have got the decision. Duddy just has way too tough a time with guys like an old Yory boy and even Freddie Cuevas to make me think he has a chance in this one.
I think that I had Duddy by about a round or so, but I agree with what you say about Duddy having a hard time with guys he should beat if he wants to be world title class. However, he loves to go to the trenches, and does have a lot of drive and heart, but he is still (hopefully) a work in progress, but fighting Pavlik is way too soon for him.
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Re: John Duddy v Kelly Pavlik in March at the Garden
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by SeanE
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
Duddy couldn't even beat grandfather Luis Ramon Campas convincing he got a gift decision in that fight i thought Campas won it by 2 points when people like Eric Regan who is a journeyman shut out Campas Duddy vs Pavlik will be a slaughter.
Nah, he won that fight, by two points, for sure. That was not a gift decision. He gave way some rounds early, but he won the fight. Duddy let the fight get too close by making it a war, and the played in Yory Boy's strenghts, even at his age he bang on the inside and knows how to fight.
Still, he's going to get a beating, because he gets hit way too much and Pavlik will hit him harder than anybody has hit him before. Any Yory Boy rocked him a few times. When Pavlik hits him like that, it's going to be over.
Actually quite alot of people thought Campas won that fight 3 members here i know who think the same as me are Lords Gym, Violent Demise, CutMeMick, Recently Campas struggled with the journeyman off the contender Norberto Bravo and went 10 tough rounds with Norberto Bravo so that just goes to show you what sort of level Duddy is at getting gift off an old Luis Ramon Campas who was only ever goodish even in his prime.
Sure, some members think he got a gift. Some members also thought Oscar beat Floyd. Members disagree and see close fights differently all the time. There are plently of members who agree with me that Duddy won. If Duddy would have played for a safe win instead of going for a KO, he could have outpointed him easily. But that is what makes him a fun fighter to watch. And Campos who fought Bravo is year older and several hard fights fights deeper.
I personally think Yory Boy reached down deep on last time fought the best fight he could possibly fight. People use that fight to trash Duddy, but they don't give Campos enough credit for fighting above his head that night. He got a matchup that was favorable to him, and if he had beaten Duddy, it would have put him in a better position for good payday that he really deserves. He was a very simpathetic underdog, and a lot of people hate Duddy because his popularity excedes his talent. That, in my eyes, want to see the fight for Yory Boy. If you want to see a fight that Yory Boy got robbed, watch the Matt Vanda fight. That was robbery, pure and simple. And in his prime, Campos I would list as very good, a step up from "goodish". There was a time he was feared guy for a while, only the very best could beat him.
Duddy's biggest problem is that he has a bad case of Jermaine Taylor disease. He comes into the ring very hyper and he has a tendency to abandon his best weapon - the jab. All that body tension wastes energy and makes you more susceptable to damaging power punches. Say what you will about old as Yory Boy, but he fights relaxed and uses his energy efficiently. Unfortunately for Duddy, he lacks JT physical tools and defensive toolkit to overcome his shortcoming.
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Im dissapointed that Pavlik is lined up to fight club fighter Duddy. Only cause iv read how Pavlik aims to unify...
I just read in Boxing News today that 'aparently' a fight with IBF champ Aurthur Abraham would be bad business ???
How is this ???
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Im dissapointed that Pavlik is lined up to fight club fighter Duddy. Only cause iv read how Pavlik aims to unify...
I just read in Boxing News today that 'aparently' a fight with IBF champ Aurthur Abraham would be bad business ???
How is this ???
Probably because Abraham hits hard as hell & the fight would most likely have to happen on Abraham's turf & terms & in Germany you nearly got to KTTFO!!
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Im dissapointed that Pavlik is lined up to fight club fighter Duddy. Only cause iv read how Pavlik aims to unify...
I just read in Boxing News today that 'aparently' a fight with IBF champ Aurthur Abraham would be bad business ???
How is this ???
Probably because Abraham hits hard as hell & the fight would most likely have to happen on Abraham's turf & terms & in Germany you nearly got to KTTFO!!
This is all Sven Ottke's fault >:mad
::** Na, i get it. Pav would probably have to sell himself short to make the fight. Not worth it. Yada yada yada.
Bad business indeed :P
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Im dissapointed that Pavlik is lined up to fight club fighter Duddy. Only cause iv read how Pavlik aims to unify...
I just read in Boxing News today that 'aparently' a fight with IBF champ Aurthur Abraham would be bad business ???
How is this ???
It would be bad business. Why do we expect fighters who have busted their asses for year to get at or near the top a chance to take care of themselves. If Pavlik follows up Duddy with Mora, then fights a borderline 154 beltholder (say Alcine or even Forrest) we can give him crap.
And it won't matter anyway, cuz he will beat Abraham if they end up fighting, be it now or two fights from now.
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
This is all Sven Ottke's fault >:mad
:coolclick: Heh heh heh. Poor Sven...will he ever get respect? ;D
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
::** Na, i get it. Pav would probably have to sell himself short to make the fight. Not worth it. Yada yada yada.
Bad business indeed :P
That may not be it...but it'd be my best guess.
I just can't see Pavlik going over there & getting a fair shake much less a decent split even though he's a double titlist (WBC & WBO) & Abraham just holds the IBF strap.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
This is all Sven Ottke's fault >:mad
:coolclick: Heh heh heh. Poor Sven...will he ever get respect? ;D
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
::** Na, i get it. Pav would probably have to sell himself short to make the fight. Not worth it. Yada yada yada.
Bad business indeed :P
That may not be it...but it'd be my best guess.
I just can't see Pavlik going over there & getting a fair shake much less a decent split even though he's a double titlist (WBC & WBO) & Abraham just holds the IBF strap.
at this point i think pavlik has the clout to make abraham fight here in america.... either way pavlik would knock him out... and arthur hits hard it would be a good fight.....
since arthur fought miranda with huge determination and sturm basically beat de la hoya i dont think either will be afraid of pavlik....
