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Still waiting for those scrolls though Benidict >:mad
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i thought the topic was about the knight templar of the black and white book
Doesn't surprise me. I just finished a book about Galileo. It took the church until the 1990's to pardon him for supporting the theory that the earth revolves around the sun.
Wonder how long it will take them to catch onto the fact that their "savior" isn't real and pardon all the people with that current belief...... :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Canvasback
....this is all very exciting stuff, I read "Born In Blood" a book about the Knights Templar and how they may have become the Freemasons and I have always wondered about the initiation rituals of the Templars, maybe this will provide some evidence
who wrote that and how long ago was it written?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
John J. Robinson wrote it and I think it was published in 1990....extremely good book though
yea I looked it up, sounds very interesting I'm going to see if I can find it anywhere. I can prolly find it on ebay, I find almost every book there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You won't be disappointed it's very informative and he doesn't just draw a conclusion he explains why the Freemasons are a seemingly good fit for the Templars (who were also big into building Churches) as a clandestine means of keeping their brotherhood together.
Books like The DaVinci Code base their plots on the connections Robinson makes and I only mention that because he was the one who really brought that theory to light and it's now considered common knowledge as a theory but the way it's explained gives you more insight and understanding of the Templars and the Freemasons.
The Freemasons are completely different from the Templar Knights.The Templars were the army of Christianity the Freemasons are of many. The tenth level of the Freemasons teaches that you worship Isis.
From wikipedia.
Membership and religion
Freemasonry explicitly and openly states that it is neither a religion nor a substitute for one. "There is no separate Masonic God", nor a separate proper name for a deity in any branch of Freemasonry.[46][47]
Regular Freemasonry requires that its candidates believe in a Supreme Being, but the interpretation of the term is subject to the conscience of the candidate. This means that men from a wide range of faiths, including (but not limited to) Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Hinduism can and have become Masons.Templars would not go for this.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/free16.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...nights_Templar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
....read the fucking book and it'll explain that
I've been intrested in both for fucking years and I prefer not to have my mind made up by one mans fucking opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I've always been interested with the brotherhoods and their secrecy, even the they at times are in doubt of the christian churches but they still surve loyally. The Davinci Code really means nothing in our time now though. Science is exposing religion and its inconsistency, I think in the near future science will be the dominant belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
guys we should put our minds together cause this topic is very very confusing and one man trying to figure the truth out will get him lost in life, believe me I tried and it mess with my life. So lets not get heated with this and just respect eachothers knowledge or lack of it.
:oQuote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
WTF?!
hey lyle I think I found it, born in blood the secrets of freemasonry right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Born-In-Blood-Th...QQcmdZViewItem
guys this seller has some good books for sale too.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZhereticbooks777
Yes, that's the one....and it's a really interesting read as it not only describes the rituals but explains how the Templars may or may not have influenced their creation or used them while on the run from the Vatican.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
And you all know Freemasonry was a huge no-no for the Catholic church they did not like the Freemasons and might still not appreciate them
Nioce to see two guys interested in such religious pursuits acting so God-fearingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
Well OK....I guess your INTREST is more important than studying and creating hypotheses about what may or may not have happened with the Templars.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
The Templars did not follow the Vatican's dogmas and they disagreed on various issues....they were a group apart from the Catholic Church a group created to protect Christian pilgrams going to the Holy Land and then they got involved in banking and yes they fought Muslims and so on but their goal was not to wipe out Islam it was to protect Christians
As for your comment about God and Masonry well the Masons state that to become a member you must believe in GOD and it does not divide God into any seperate sect. So it is a broader vision of God a God that made Earth and Man not a God that pits man vs man over land that God created.
So tell me, if you're a Templar and the Vatican destroys your order tortures your friends and leaders more than any Muslim has ever done you're going to share the belief system of the Organized religion that destroyed you?
You might be thinking the Templars were a group that was 100% dedicated to the Vatican and they weren't they were a seperate Monastic Order whish had their own view of God...a God bigger than any organized religion.
You need to understand how the Templars were rounded up and destroyed...the need of a secret society to hide the Templars was very real and seeing where those fugitives ran to is interesting....Scotland, England, Ireland, where Freemasonry was and still is very big.
Keep an open mind if you so choose to read that book
Where do the Illuminati fit in all this ?
CC Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Americas foundations were laid by Masons you know ;)
Yes, I do believe the book explains some of that as well...Washington, Franklin, etc perhaps able to have secret meetings to help the Revolution? Perhaps the Boston Tea Party was done by Masons?
The Illuminati do not fit anywhere in the book....although George Washington warned of them coming to America and infiltrating the Masons.
And the Illumantai are?
A mystery really, they are the secret society that knows all and sees all and controls all.....I don't believe in them and if they do exist then they don't control as much as what is believed to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I've heard many theories about the Skull & Bones society which remind me of the stories of the Illuminati.
is italy, the origin of the Illuminati?
I believe they were founded in Germany
They are still living creatures that can die just as easily as us. They have no entitlement to be this "all powerful" group. A group/government only has as much power as the people they govern will let them have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You can only ever determine any man or any group of people by the works that they do ,never by just their words.
If you search for any group of people that do certain things they can all be found working on both sides of the fence; For instance ,some practice ancient meditations,heal the sick,teach ascension techniques and they do it all for free and they plow all money made from teachings others straight back into where it is required the most in the place on earth that suffers the most.
They still exist they are real people.
Those ones are not the illumintate or the Catholic church or the masons.
Andre so very true my old son cc