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Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
I was just watching this fight again and i just remembered how much wan on Roys mind i heard his son was ill and tornado hit Pensacola where he was training disturbing his training i know it probably wouldn't of made no different but that couldn't of helped what does everyone else think ??
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
Roys body was in a mess for that fight.
I'm not a roy fan, so im not making excuses for him but his body was in a mess.
Whether it was due to the drop from heavy or from attempting to make weight, we'll never no. But ever=ybody who watched that fight knows that roy wasn't Roy that night.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
Roy seemed to go bad over night .
He was so great against Ruiz and looked unstoppable . Then in his very next fight he struggled with Tarver then got knocked out by Tarver then got knocked out by Johnson then got beat again by Tarver . I havent seen a fighter depreciate this quick since Bowe .
The Johnson fight was shame cuz people were still thinking the loss to Tarver could have been a 1 shot fluke. But from early on his midn seemed elsewhere . He made excuses about his dad in the 3rd Tarver fight but I reckon his body could take the drop in weight so late in his career and once the reflexes had gone so had his best weapon . Johnson scored a great K.o that night but everyone knows a prime Jones would have skooled him .
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
The drop in weight after the Ruiz fight was definitely a factor i feel. And as for the Ko losses to Tarver, doesn't it seem that a fighter who has been knocked out once is easier to Ko again??? I feel the groundwork for all Ko's on Jones was laid in the Johnson fight.
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Not really.I think Jones Shaved off a couple of years with his ecscapade to heavy weight and that was a turning point.Imo jones lost 1st tarver fight,the 2nd he was proven to be a mortal man and Johnson Put the exclamation point on that.He set the pace in the 1st 3o seconds bull rushing Jones effectivly.Jones is full of charisma and will do well after he retires which personnaly I believe should come in 1 or 2 years.Hes going for the $$$ now (whats new)with this "fight" with Use to be great welter Tito.Cha-Ching.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
....he wasn't the same after his drop in weight
IMO he should have stayed at heavyweight to fight Chris Byrd, James Toney, Evander Holyfield and maybe some other smaller guys
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....he wasn't the same after his drop in weight
IMO he should have stayed at heavyweight to fight Chris Byrd, James Toney, Evander Holyfield and maybe some other smaller guys
I agree a rematch with Toney at Heavyweight would of been huge he should of forgot about Tarver.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
RJJ made Tarver AND Buddy McGirt somebodies by giving them the first fight AND MORE IMPORTANTLY the rematch!
They didn't deserve it
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ made Tarver AND Buddy McGirt somebodies by giving them the first fight AND MORE IMPORTANTLY the rematch!
They didn't deserve it
It really annoys me when i watch Tarver fights because i know Jones is much better fighter than Tarver and in the 3rd fight Jones could of won easily he won 4th and 5th rounds easy as pie but kept making faces and taunting rather than fighting what a shame.
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It was the weight.
I don't believe in all that juggling. Your body just can't take it...not in that short of a time span.
Floyd needs to be careful of this also. It's a proven fact that jumping up & down ruins careers.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
It was the weight.
I don't believe in all that juggling. Your body just can't take it...not in that short of a time span.
Floyd needs to be careful of this also. It's a proven fact that jumping up & down ruins careers.
I want Mayweather to stay at Welterweight and never move up or down again theres plenty of big fights for Mayweather at Welterweight and funny you should mention that Wacko because i was thinking the samething and was just about to reply with the comment about Mayweather.
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
It was the weight.
I don't believe in all that juggling. Your body just can't take it...not in that short of a time span.
Floyd needs to be careful of this also. It's a proven fact that jumping up & down ruins careers.
I want Mayweather to stay at Welterweight and never move up or down again theres plenty of big fights for Mayweather at Welterweight and funny you should mention that Wacko because i was thinking the samething and was just about to reply with the comment about Mayweather.
Yeah...it's gonna be Floyd's downfall...wait & see.
You can't keep jumping up & down. Pick a weight & stay where your body is comfy & you get the best performance.
147 seems right for Floyd & there's plenty of money there.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
....the thing with weight is you always have to move up, never move back down unless it's down 1 weight class.
RJJ went from 175 to 200+ and then back down to 175....that's a TON of weight when you factor in body fat percentage
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....the thing with weight is you always have to move up, never move back down unless it's down 1 weight class.
RJJ went from 175 to 200+ and then back down to 175....that's a TON of weight when you factor in body fat percentage
Exactly...but a lot of it is also water. Roy was sweatin off a shit pot load of weight for that fight & that shit leaves ya drained & dehydrated.
If you look at him...he almost had a saggy eyed sickly look to him during the Tarver fights & the Johnson fight. He just started gettin back to norm of late.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....the thing with weight is you always have to move up, never move back down unless it's down 1 weight class.
RJJ went from 175 to 200+ and then back down to 175....that's a TON of weight when you factor in body fat percentage
Exactly...but a lot of it is also water. Roy was sweatin off a S*** pot load of weight for that fight & that S*** leaves ya drained & dehydrated.
If you look at him...he almost had a saggy eyed sickly look to him during the Tarver fights & the Johnson fight. He just started gettin back to norm of late.
Totally in agreement here, his skin colour looked odd too. as if his body was going through an illness. I've read the same thing about Sugar Ray Leonard in some of his lastb fights also.
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I'm with you guys,it was the weight. That's not an excuse,look what RJJ did to fighters who were on par/better than Glen. Look at his performance. I think the move to HW was the worst thing RJJ has done and he does not even get that much credit for the Ruiz win. Weight jumping is bad and will catch up to any fighter.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....the thing with weight is you always have to move up, never move back down unless it's down 1 weight class.
RJJ went from 175 to 200+ and then back down to 175....that's a TON of weight when you factor in body fat percentage
considering his age as well....asking for trouble.
should have bowed out after the ruiz fight....nothin more to prove.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....the thing with weight is you always have to move up, never move back down unless it's down 1 weight class.
RJJ went from 175 to 200+ and then back down to 175....that's a TON of weight when you factor in body fat percentage
Actually it was exactly 193...not that it matters much(maybe a little bit)...
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
The drop in weight after the Ruiz fight was definitely a factor i feel. And as for the Ko losses to Tarver, doesn't it seem that a fighter who has been knocked out once is easier to Ko again??? I feel the groundwork for all Ko's on Jones was laid in the Johnson fight.
Actually Tarver knocked Jones out before Johnson did. ;)
@Wacko, I don't think weight is going to be a factor in Floyd's career. I don't think he plans to move up again and he's never moved back down a weight class before.
When he fought Oscar he basically weighed the same as he did for his welterweight fights, proudly boasting how he entered the ring at 148 lbs on fight night, lighter than in some previous welterweight fights.
I think Floyd is a perfectionist, he doesn't make mistakes like that, everything he does is planned to precision imo.
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I think the weight was a defining factor as well as the psychological effect of the KO from Tarver. We also have to give credit to Johnson who started aggressive and did not allow Jones to establish his game plan. I think these were some of the factors on this fight.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
did you watch the fight on youtube ?
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....the thing with weight is you always have to move up, never move back down unless it's down 1 weight class.
RJJ went from 175 to 200+ and then back down to 175....that's a TON of weight when you factor in body fat percentage
Actually it was exactly 193...not that it matters much(maybe a little bit)...
Yeah they shaved off 10 pounds of Roy's weight which he was upset about :)
There was a documentary on the Ruiz fight where Roy stepped on a scale after the weigh in and it being 200 pounds :)
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I think Glen would have given him trouble at any point in his career, but he did look drained though and old. It could be an issue in his next fight were he is fighting at a lower weight. Titos ONLY chance of winning is if Jones is weight drained and shows his age.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
It was the weight.
I don't believe in all that juggling. Your body just can't take it...not in that short of a time span.
Floyd needs to be careful of this also. It's a proven fact that jumping up & down ruins careers.
I want Mayweather to stay at Welterweight and never move up or down again theres plenty of big fights for Mayweather at Welterweight and funny you should mention that Wacko because i was thinking the samething and was just about to reply with the comment about Mayweather.
Yeah...it's gonna be Floyd's downfall...wait & see.
You can't keep jumping up & down. Pick a weight & stay where your body is comfy & you get the best performance.
147 seems right for Floyd & there's plenty of money there.
I totally agree with this point about Floyd but when he moved upto light middle to face De La Hoya he didnt even come in at the 154 mark in fact if I remember right i think he was only 150 which is only 3 above the welter limit so I can't see it having too much effect on him certainly not like when Jones moved upto heavy and then all the way back down to light heavy.
Another thing about Jones is that when he was at his absolute best he wouldn't have just schooled Tarver and Johnson he'd have been able to whip one of them then get back into the ring and whip the other straight after in the same night! Lol
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I agree but at the same time, a fight is a fight and if you not gon show up focused and ready then don't get your ass in that ring or suffer the consequences and he suffered them in the worst possible way.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr Had Alot On His Mind In The Glen Johnson Fight ??
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
I was just watching this fight again and i just remembered how much wan on Roys mind i heard his son was ill and tornado hit Pensacola where he was training disturbing his training i know it probably wouldn't of made no different but that couldn't of helped what does everyone else think ??
As professionals of any sport and or other jobs you must always be prepared despite of anything that just occured in your personal life.
A death, family problems, personal problems that's why it's always said 'The Show Must Go On'......
Lot's of fighters have fought thru adversity in and out of the ring simotaneously. Some achive other don't.
I personally think that with or without those things on his mind the end result would have been the same 10 out of 10 times.
