Jose Sulaiman: JMM's next fight MUST be v Pacman in1st quarter of 08

Just read this. The WBC president said JMM's next match,after Juarez,must be v Manny.The only reason it won't happen is if Manny does not want the fight because if he wants it,and JMM doesn't,JMM may get stripped.

Don Jose said: "If he (Manny) declines for a third time, then I think he doesn't want to fight Marquez, and we have to go our way. But I believe that Marquez and Pacquiao are willing to fight each other. And it's got to be in the first quarter of 2008, because there are no other television dates for the rest of the year, and they cannot do without the television, because it's a big money fight. So I believe that's going to be a great opportunity at the beginning of the year."

hmmm.. manny is declining? the only reason why pac would decline a fight with jmm is that jmm prizes himself too high. he should settle for a 60/40 split and what a fight that would be.

can't really believe everything you read specially from bias promoters.

damn i got a feeling rocky is going to knock out jmm before pac gets to him....

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hmmm.. manny is declining? the only reason why pac would decline a fight with jmm is that jmm prizes himself too high. he should settle for a 60/40 split and what a fight that would be.

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No way on God's green earth could Manny be at fault in any way shape or form, huh? ::**

please let this happen. It's irrelevant who turned down the other offers if they get in the ring

I'm becoming more and more convinced that neither Pac nor JMM want this fight.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Just read this. The WBC president said JMM's next match,after Juarez,must be v Manny.The only reason it won't happen is if Manny does not want the fight because if he wants it,and JMM doesn't,JMM may get stripped.

Don Jose said: "If he (Manny) declines for a third time, then I think he doesn't want to fight Marquez, and we have to go our way. But I believe that Marquez and Pacquiao are willing to fight each other. And it's got to be in the first quarter of 2008, because there are no other television dates for the rest of the year, and they cannot do without the television, because it's a big money fight. So I believe that's going to be a great opportunity at the beginning of the year."

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Bro, a little correction/clarification on why Manny's camp declined on fighting with JMM.
JMM was asking too much according to Pacquaio's camp.Was it 60-40 sharing in favor of JMM?

That's why they are contemplating on Valero and David Diaz as the most feasible opponents.

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Just read this. The WBC president said JMM's next match,after Juarez,must be v Manny.The only reason it won't happen is if Manny does not want the fight because if he wants it,and JMM doesn't,JMM may get stripped.

Don Jose said: "If he (Manny) declines for a third time, then I think he doesn't want to fight Marquez, and we have to go our way. But I believe that Marquez and Pacquiao are willing to fight each other. And it's got to be in the first quarter of 2008, because there are no other television dates for the rest of the year, and they cannot do without the television, because it's a big money fight. So I believe that's going to be a great opportunity at the beginning of the year."

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Bro, a little correction/clarification on why Manny's camp declined on fighting with JMM.
JMM was asking too much according to Pacquaio's camp.Was it 60-40 sharing in favor of JMM?

That's why they are contemplating on Valero and David Diaz as the most feasible opponents.

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A decline is a decline regardless ;)

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can't really believe everything you read specially from bias promoters.

damn i got a feeling rocky is going to knock out jmm before pac gets to him....

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Just like you can not believe all posters in here know their boxing. Boxing 101 tip : Jose Sulaiman is not a promoter. Guess it is a "Pinoy thing" in recognizing a promoter. Do I need to recommend a good pair of socks to you too ?

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Just read this. The WBC president said JMM's next match,after Juarez,must be v Manny.The only reason it won't happen is if Manny does not want the fight because if he wants it,and JMM doesn't,JMM may get stripped.

Don Jose said: "If he (Manny) declines for a third time, then I think he doesn't want to fight Marquez, and we have to go our way. But I believe that Marquez and Pacquiao are willing to fight each other. And it's got to be in the first quarter of 2008, because there are no other television dates for the rest of the year, and they cannot do without the television, because it's a big money fight. So I believe that's going to be a great opportunity at the beginning of the year."

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Bro, a little correction/clarification on why Manny's camp declined on fighting with JMM.
JMM was asking too much according to Pacquaio's camp.Was it 60-40 sharing in favor of JMM?

That's why they are contemplating on Valero and David Diaz as the most feasible opponents.

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A decline is a decline
regardless ;)

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So well put!!! But Pac fans will take the cheating man approach " It's not what it looks like"

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Just read this. The WBC president said JMM's next match,after Juarez,must be v Manny.The only reason it won't happen is if Manny does not want the fight because if he wants it,and JMM doesn't,JMM may get stripped.

Don Jose said: "If he (Manny) declines for a third time, then I think he doesn't want to fight Marquez, and we have to go our way. But I believe that Marquez and Pacquiao are willing to fight each other. And it's got to be in the first quarter of 2008, because there are no other television dates for the rest of the year, and they cannot do without the television, because it's a big money fight. So I believe that's going to be a great opportunity at the beginning of the year."

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Bro, a little correction/clarification on why Manny's camp declined on fighting with JMM.
JMM was asking too much according to Pacquaio's camp.Was it 60-40 sharing in favor of JMM?

That's why they are contemplating on Valero and David Diaz as the most feasible opponents.

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A decline is a decline
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So well put!!! But Pac fans will take the cheating man approach " It's not what it looks like"

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:D ;D ;) 8)

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can't really believe everything you read specially from bias promoters.

damn i got a feeling rocky is going to knock out jmm before pac gets to him....

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Just like you can not believe all posters in here know their boxing. Boxing 101 tip : Jose Sulaiman is not a promoter. Guess it is a "Pinoy thing" in recognizing a promoter. Do I need to recommend a good pair of socks to you too ?

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what do you mean its a pinoy thing? new world order in boxing? dominating the lower weights? or retiring your long favorite fighters?

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can't really believe everything you read specially from bias promoters.

damn i got a feeling rocky is going to knock out jmm before pac gets to him....

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Just like you can not believe all posters in here know their boxing. Boxing 101 tip : Jose Sulaiman is not a promoter. Guess it is a "Pinoy thing" in recognizing a promoter. Do I need to recommend a good pair of socks to you too ?

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what do you mean its a pinoy thing? new world order in boxing? dominating the lower weights? or retiring your long favorite fighters?

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Calm down ::** ::** ::**

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can't really believe everything you read specially from bias promoters.

damn i got a feeling rocky is going to knock out jmm before pac gets to him....

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Just like you can not believe all posters in here know their boxing. Boxing 101 tip : Jose Sulaiman is not a promoter. Guess it is a "Pinoy thing" in recognizing a promoter. Do I need to recommend a good pair of socks to you too ?

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what do you mean its a pinoy thing? new world order in boxing? dominating the lower weights? or retiring your long favorite fighters?

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Calm down ::** ::** ::**

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i was joking gamo....

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can't really believe everything you read specially from bias promoters.

damn i got a feeling rocky is going to knock out jmm before pac gets to him....

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Just like you can not believe all posters in here know their boxing. Boxing 101 tip : Jose Sulaiman is not a promoter. Guess it is a "Pinoy thing" in recognizing a promoter. Do I need to recommend a good pair of socks to you too ?

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what do you mean its a pinoy thing? new world order in boxing? dominating the lower weights? or retiring your long favorite fighters?

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Calm down ::** ::** ::**

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i was joking gamo....

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Seriously? My bad :P ;D

The WBC simply want their slice of the purse.

No other reason at all.

The crooks tried to shaft Kelly Pavlik of his title winning shorts didnt they.

Marco Sulaiman came into the dressing room after the fight and declared that Pavlik 'Give the shorts to his father as a gift to him and the WBC'

Kelly said no way 'My blood is on these shorts, there mine'

After being informed that he should give up the shorts or his reign may be difficult, Marco Suliaman left with them in a bag.

24 hours later he was forced to return them after an intervention by the local boxing authority got wind of it.

They reminded him that, Kelly didnt want to give away the shorts at all - and that they could be viewed as a 'gift' and therefore he could go to jail for 6 months for taking them, as their are strict laws with regards this type of thing.

A NOTE ON A RELATED MATTER: After referee Steve Smoger gave Kelly Pavlik his instructions in the dressing room prior to Taylor-Pavlik, Mauricio Sulaiman came into the room. Mauricio is the son of WBC president Jose Sulaiman. In recent years, he has assumed an increasingly active role within the sanctioning body. He is now the WBC’s executive secretary and is in charge of the organization’s executive office in Mexico City.

In the dressing room, Mauricio approached veteran cornerman Miguel Diaz and told him, “If Kelly wins, I would like his trunks to present as a gift to my father.” Diaz relayed the request to Mike Pavlik, who responded, “No way.”

After the fight, Mauricio returned to the dressing room and renewed his request.

“Oh, man,” Kelly said. “These are my trunks. Next fight, maybe; but not this one. I just won the championship in these trunks. My blood is on them.”

More people were drawn into the conversation. One-on-ones followed. Some words were exchanged regarding the discretionary powers of WBC officials and their ability to make things easy or hard on WBC champions. Mauricio Sulaiman left Boardwalk Hall with Kelly Pavlik’s bloodstained trunks. In the wee small hours of Sunday morning, he was confronted regarding the matter and the trunks were returned.

“It was a misunderstanding,” Mauricio told this writer. “I was led to believe that Kelly wanted the trunks to be presented as a gift to my father because of his respect for my father and the WBC. When it was brought to my attention that Kelly wished to have the trunks back, I arranged quickly to return them.”

Federal law states, “No officer or employee of a sanctioning organization may receive any compensation, gift, or benefit, directly or indirectly, from a boxer [other than a sanctioning fee].” Violation of this law is a crime punishable by up to one year in prison and a fine of $20,000.

When a powerful WBC official makes a request such as the one Sulaiman made of Pavlik, there’s an inherent coercive factor at work. That’s why there’s a law against it.

Craig Hamilton (the foremost boxing memorabilia dealer in the United States) estimates that Pavlik’s trunks from his championship-winning fight could be worth as much as $25,000. The WBC received a substantial sanctioning fee for Taylor-Pavlik. That should suffice for everyone’s purposes.

This isn’t the first time that Mauricio Sulaiman has made a request of this nature. One hopes it’s the last.

:coolclick: clanger thanks for the info on these sulaiman.

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Just read this. The WBC president said JMM's next match,after Juarez,must be v Manny.The only reason it won't happen is if Manny does not want the fight because if he wants it,and JMM doesn't,JMM may get stripped.

Don Jose said: "If he (Manny) declines for a third time, then I think he doesn't want to fight Marquez, and we have to go our way. But I believe that Marquez and Pacquiao are willing to fight each other. And it's got to be in the first quarter of 2008, because there are no other television dates for the rest of the year, and they cannot do without the television, because it's a big money fight. So I believe that's going to be a great opportunity at the beginning of the year."

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Bro, a little correction/clarification on why Manny's camp declined on fighting with JMM.
JMM was asking too much according to Pacquaio's camp.Was it 60-40 sharing in favor of JMM?

That's why they are contemplating on Valero and David Diaz as the most feasible opponents.

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A decline is a decline regardless ;)

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After all we discussed on the other thread regarding the JMM-Pac prize purse and that PAC deserves the bigger prize purse, here we go again, ... same issues. And Pac is the one being blamed for not taking the fight.

You could make a case that it is JMM who is in the habit of declining, not PAC. He declined the first rematch with Pac. He declined the challenge of Joan Guzman. Now he is in effect, declining fighting Pac again, by insisting on a high prize purse.

Let JMM take a 30/70 prize split, and fight will push through. As I have said in the previous thread, Pac simply has to insist on his prize purse, and JMM will still take it after making a lot of noise and protests. Because JMM has no other big-money fight unlike Pacquiao. If it takes JMM or Nacho some time to realize this, it might happen a little later after Pac fights someone else, but the fight will still push through.

Another angle:

Marquez says he wants to fight Pac, IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT, by demanding a big share of the prize.

Pacquiao says he wants to fight Marquez, IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT, also by demanding a big share of the prize.

If the fight does not happen, it is Pac's fault???? What the #(*& ?

If anything, Pac has the right to demand a bigger prize being the bigger draw. That has and always is the case in the business of boxing. That is why Morales had a bigger prize purse of when he fought lightweightchamp David Diaz recently although Morales was just the challenger. That is why ODLH has a bigger prize than Mayweather. Can't you guys understand how boxing works? and I thought you were longtime boxing fans.

totally agree with you keypool. hope you stay here longer, if not forever. I need people like you to defend our guy Pacquaio.you can be my assistant. Cool click #6 from me.

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Another angle:

Marquez says he wants to fight Pac, IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT, by demanding a big share of the prize.

Pacquiao says he wants to fight Marquez, IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT, also by demanding a big share of the prize.

If the fight does not happen, it is Pac's fault???? What the #(*& ?

If anything, Pac has the right to demand a bigger prize being the bigger draw. That has and always is the case in the business of boxing. That is why Morales had a bigger prize purse of when he fought lightweightchamp David Diaz recently although Morales was just the challenger. That is why ODLH has a bigger prize than Mayweather. Can't you guys understand how boxing works? and I thought you were longtime boxing fans.

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Do you ever post on anything other than the issue of JMM and Pac's pay? If not,then I think you should consider your own status as a boxing fan as opposed to other posters

El Gamo,

I will not contest that you are more of a boxing fan than me. Actually, I consider myself a boxing fan newbie. That was why I was expecting more from you.

My argument was just based on simple logic really. Now, if you can disprove what I said, then I would welcome that. But I keep repeating myself because you keep repeating the same flawed arguments i.e. that it is Pac who must accept JMM's fight purse demands instead of JMM accepting Pac's fight purse demands in order for the fight to happen.

See this recent news item which quotes Bob Arum:

Unless he agrees to a more reasonable paycheck, Juan Manuel Marquez might as well kiss his hopes of facing Manny Pacquiao in a rematch goodbye. “He wants a big percentage of the money and that would be a huge sacrifice on Manny’s part,” said Top Rank president and Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum. “

Dont even try keypool, theres an inner cirlce here in saddo. Pac fans are always wrong, and what ever the members of that circle in saddo say is whats right. Thats a little tip for you if you decide to stay long, I'd second think it. Don't worry though pac kicks ass inside the ring and thats what matters. Jmm nor anybody in the division can do anything about it ;D

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Dont even try keypool, theres an inner cirlce here in saddo. Pac fans are always wrong, and what ever the members of that circle in saddo say is whats right. Thats a little tip for you if you decide to stay long, I'd second think it. Don't worry though pac kicks a** inside the ring and thats what matters. Jmm nor anybody in the division can do anything about it ;D

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Dont even try keypool, theres an inner cirlce here in saddo. Pac fans are always wrong, and what ever the members of that circle in saddo say is whats right. Thats a little tip for you if you decide to stay long, I'd second think it. Don't worry though pac kicks a** inside the ring and thats what matters. Jmm nor anybody in the division can do anything about it ;D

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Actually...people like keypool are welcome here because they debate & don't act ridiculous...it has nothing to do with an inner circle nor does it have anything to do with Pacquiao...it's all in how you discuss & what you know.

If you think there's an inner circle here that is all conspiring against Pacquiao...I am sure that there are other websites that you can focus your ill intent on.

By all means...they are only a few clicks away...just type & press enter...there are many search engines that can take you there.

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Dont even try keypool, theres an inner cirlce here in saddo. Pac fans are always wrong, and what ever the members of that circle in saddo say is whats right. Thats a little tip for you if you decide to stay long, I'd second think it. Don't worry though pac kicks a** inside the ring and thats what matters. Jmm nor anybody in the division can do anything about it ;D

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Actually...people like keypool are welcome here because they debate & don't act ridiculous...it has nothing to do with an inner circle nor does it have anything to do with Pacquiao...it's all in how you discuss & what you know.

If you think there's an inner circle here that is all conspiring against Pacquiao...I am sure that there are other websites that you can focus your ill intent on.

By all means...they are only a few clicks away...just type & press enter...there are many search engines that can take you there.

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cheer up wacko, you take julius rain mr. marvelous himself to seriously. would you cheer up if I give a cool click with a smiley?

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Dont even try keypool, theres an inner cirlce here in saddo. Pac fans are always wrong, and what ever the members of that circle in saddo say is whats right. Thats a little tip for you if you decide to stay long, I'd second think it. Don't worry though pac kicks a** inside the ring and thats what matters. Jmm nor anybody in the division can do anything about it ;D

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Actually...people like keypool are welcome here because they debate & don't act ridiculous...it has nothing to do with an inner circle nor does it have anything to do with Pacquiao...it's all in how you discuss & what you know.

If you think there's an inner circle here that is all conspiring against Pacquiao...I am sure that there are other websites that you can focus your ill intent on.

By all means...they are only a few clicks away...just type & press enter...there are many search engines that can take you there.

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cheer up wacko, you take julius rain mr. marvelous himself to seriously. would you cheer up if I give a cool click with a smiley?

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Maybe...maybe...not on the serious tip...if your'e playing around...then you are...but you do say some rather inflamtory things that do tip the mod's hats.

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Dont even try keypool, theres an inner cirlce here in saddo. Pac fans are always wrong, and what ever the members of that circle in saddo say is whats right. Thats a little tip for you if you decide to stay long, I'd second think it. Don't worry though pac kicks a** inside the ring and thats what matters. Jmm nor anybody in the division can do anything about it ;D

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Actually...people like keypool are welcome here because they debate & don't act ridiculous...it has nothing to do with an inner circle nor does it have anything to do with Pacquiao...it's all in how you discuss & what you know.

If you think there's an inner circle here that is all conspiring against Pacquiao...I am sure that there are other websites that you can focus your ill intent on.

By all means...they are only a few clicks away...just type & press enter...there are many search engines that can take you there.

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cheer up wacko, you take julius rain mr. marvelous himself to seriously. would you cheer up if I give a cool click with a smiley?

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Maybe...maybe...not on the serious tip...if your'e playing around...then you are...but you do say some rather inflamtory things that do tip the mod's hats.

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:kissing: :coolclick: + 3180 ;)

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Dont even try keypool, theres an inner cirlce here in saddo. Pac fans are always wrong, and what ever the members of that circle in saddo say is whats right. Thats a little tip for you if you decide to stay long, I'd second think it. Don't worry though pac kicks a** inside the ring and thats what matters. Jmm nor anybody in the division can do anything about it ;D

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Actually...people like keypool are welcome here because they debate & don't act ridiculous...it has nothing to do with an inner circle nor does it have anything to do with Pacquiao...it's all in how you discuss & what you know.

If you think there's an inner circle here that is all conspiring against Pacquiao...I am sure that there are other websites that you can focus your ill intent on.

By all means...they are only a few clicks away...just type & press enter...there are many search engines that can take you there.

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Keypool,my friend,you are more than welcome here. As long as you aren't going to be an idiotic nuthugger like some,it's fine. We have some awesome pacfans here like BruceLee,KKisser,Pacfan(where the hell have you gone?!),Pavlik,some of the best posters here. Unfortunately,there are the couple here and there that are blind nut huggers,that don't listen to voice of reason and one can barely discuss points with them about Manny without being labelled hater etc.

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El Gamo,

I will not contest that you are more of a boxing fan than me. Actually, I consider myself a boxing fan newbie. That was why I was expecting more from you.

My argument was just based on simple logic really. Now, if you can disprove what I said, then I would welcome that. But I keep repeating myself because you keep repeating the same flawed arguments i.e. that it is Pac who must accept JMM's fight purse demands instead of JMM accepting Pac's fight purse demands in order for the fight to happen.

See this recent news item which quotes Bob Arum:

Unless he agrees to a more reasonable paycheck, Juan Manuel Marquez might as well kiss his hopes of facing Manny Pacquiao in a rematch goodbye. “He wants a big percentage of the money and that would be a huge sacrifice on Manny’s part,” said Top Rank president and Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum. “

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My bad,I didn't know you were new to the sport. I've only been a fan for a few years but thanks to this awesome site and it's knowledgeable posters,I've learnt alot. I've heard the fight is besing made for early 08,as long as JMM beats Juarez. I hope you stick around long enough to discuss it with me ;D

Here is what Oscar said about the fight being made:

De la Hoya rejected claims that Marquez cannot draw saying that it depends on whom you are fighting. He cited the example of his fight with Felix Sturm, whom nobody really knew and did only 400,000 homes on pay-per-view. But when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr., he did 2.4 million homes, which was the biggest event in boxing history. “It depends who you fight and it depends on your opponent.”

De la Hoya was certain that a Pacquiao-Marquez fight “will draw big numbers because Marquez is the only Mexican still standing to try and get revenge against Pacquiao so that’s a very interesting story.” He said you have to remember that their first meeting was “an outstanding fight and I believe that if Marquez wins [against Juarez] that’s the fight that should happen.”

Hi El Gamo,

Thanks for the welcome.

I agree with what Oscar De la Hoya said that the JMM-Pac fight will draw huge PPV numbers. The fight will be a huge draw. I don't think anyone would contest that. And this is why JMM will probably get his BIGGEST paycheck for his entire boxing career fighting Pac (even bigger than the amount he got for fighting MAB).

But Golden Boy Vice president Eric Gomez also admittted this:

Gomez said that “in Pacquiao’s defense he is the star right now. The No.1 guy in the division. He’s the draw.” But Gomez emphasized that “in boxing there is always a way to work things out. I am confident since we had a very good promotion with Top Rank, everything went smooth, I think that if we go and do a Marquez fight I am sure Richard (Schaefer) and Bob (Arum) can work things out and make something that is going to be a positive, good show for everybody.”

Since Pac is the draw, I believe Golden Boy realizes that Pac deserves the bigger prize share. Of course, it is understandable that they will try to get as much moolah as they can get for their boy JMM.

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Hi El Gamo,

Thanks for the welcome.

I agree with what Oscar De la Hoya said that the JMM-Pac fight will draw huge PPV numbers. The fight will be a huge draw. I don't think anyone would contest that. And this is why JMM will probably get his BIGGEST paycheck for his entire boxing career fighting Pac (even bigger than the amount he got for fighting MAB).

But Golden Boy Vice president Eric Gomez also admittted this:

Gomez said that “in Pacquiao’s defense he is the star right now. The No.1 guy in the division. He’s the draw.” But Gomez emphasized that “in boxing there is always a way to work things out. I am confident since we had a very good promotion with Top Rank, everything went smooth, I think that if we go and do a Marquez fight I am sure Richard (Schaefer) and Bob (Arum) can work things out and make something that is going to be a positive, good show for everybody.”

Since Pac is the draw, I believe Golden Boy realizes that Pac deserves the bigger prize share. Of course, it is understandable that they will try to get as much moolah as they can get for their boy JMM.

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Have a cc on me for the informative info. You make some valid points and could be right. I just want to see this fight made. The only thing that slightly demeans your point about Manny getting the lion's share of the purse is that MAB and Manny both recieved $2million,although some reports on boxingscene. com indicate that MAB recieved $3million! Now he was coming off a loss,to JMM and had lost to Manny before. This fight would have alot more hype around it.

However,you have made some very valid points,so I admit,that Manny may very well deserve a larger split. Good points bro.