I don't know if it has been ask befofore. But how  a fight between this 2, you guys think he can take out by ko Wright?
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I don't know if it has been ask befofore. But how  a fight between this 2, you guys think he can take out by ko Wright?
I was thinking about this fight yesterday. I think Pavlik would win on points, because Wright would defend too cautiously and give it away. It could be a great fight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puya
I think wright would beat him. But cant honestly see the match happening. Poor Wright he's been a great pro, but just never got the breaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Totally agree Winky has just never got the big fights he deserves, I think Winkys Ram rod jab and tight defence would be too much for Pavlik. I dont think Winky would KO Pavlik as he has got a great chin but I think it would go 12 rounds with Winky get the win!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
Totally agree Winky has just never got the big fights he deserves, I think Winkys Ram rod jab and tight defence would be too much for Pavlik. I dont think Winky would KO Pavlik as he has got a great chin but I think it would go 12 rounds with Winky get the win!!
Never got the big fights he deserves ??
Ike Quartey
Bernard Hopkins
Bronco McKart 3 times
Shane Mosley 2 times
Felix Trinidad
Jermain Taylor
Fernando Vargas
Harry Simon
Thats plenty of big fights.
i said it before the taylor fight, and ill state it again..
pavlik would beat the living shit out of wright, he wouldnt stand a chance.
pavlik wouldnt give a shit about that jab, it would have the same effect as a mosquito bite.. there is not enough power behind it, to make pavlik respect it.
Winky is not active enough on the punch out put lately but with that being said IMO He would still give Kelly a boxing lesson....This is going to sound crazy but after that lesson I see Kelly with a SD only due to Winky's low out put as of late....Pavlik will learn what a true defensive master is though and find out that his power wont always get him through
If Winky does use his jab even for one night like his glory years...hell even thMosley and Trinidad fights Kelly will lose a UD with no question....
Either way Winky stays on his feet
I agree with everything here but the output factor on Winky's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Winky throws & has thrown an assload of punches up until he faced Hopkins & Wright was just to heavy for his fighting frame, IWO.
He was really active against Taylor & threw a shitload of shots against Mosley, Quartey, & Tito. The only fight I remember him not unloading was against Soliman & he was sick during that fight & still won by a landslide of accuracy.
I thought Winky was starting to look old against Hopkins, but it could just be that Emmanuel put that idea in my head, or as you said the weight slowed him down.
pavlik would knock winky out in the later rounds
It was definitely the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
He walked in right where I was sitting & I shit you not he was giggling. He had some serious man boobage & giggle to the gut going on...I told the guy & his girl directly beside me that he'd lose...just going off of the way that he wasn't fit for the fight.
After the first headbutt Hopkins had totally take Wink out of his game & it was all down hill from then.
Bernard mugged him for the entire fight.
It was ridiculous. That ref should been fined or either forced to take a headbutt from Hopkins just to give him an idea of what Winky was dealing with.
Maybe...but I seriously doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Wright has proven to be able to take heavy shots & from some pretty powerful customers.
Winky will be a whole lot less susceptible to Pavlik's #1 combo than Miranda & Taylor were...which oddly enough is as plain as the nose on his face...double jab & then straight right hand.
I like Pavlik & I think that right now he's the best figure head for the division...but I don't know that he should get in with Wright right now. The thing about Kelly is...he'll fight anybody anywhere any time...& that's what makes him appealing...that coupled with the fact that no matter who it is that he's fighting...he makes it exciting!
winky ain't faced anyone with pavs power and i do agree that winky won' be as wide open as taylor or miranda for pavliks combo but most likely he will take it on the arms but how much can he take on the arms with a guy of pavliks power. as it gets to the later rounds as you know winky tires and as you also know pavlik's workrate gets better as the fight goes on. he can't keep up with pavlik and thats why i predict late tko/koQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Winky has fought lots of guys with Pav's power. I don't know why everything thinks Pavlik is a huge puncher, because he isn't. Pavlik is a strong stready puncher who wears guys down with consistency and pressure. He does not have anything that Winky has not seen before. I think it would be a competitive fight that goes to the scorecards. Who would win would depend on the judges.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
I have to agree about Winky fighting guys with the power equal to Pavlik....IMO P4P Trinidad at 154 was every bit the puncher Pavlik is and more....
Hmmm, this is a good one. I don't know if Wright can take Pavlik pounding on him for 12 rounds. But if he is quick enough to counter all night he could frustrate Pavlik and I dont know what Kelly would be like in the championship rounds.
Really going out on a limb there ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxerharvey
But as for the fight, I think we've seen the best of Winky and he's getting to be a bit past it. Maybe I'm wrong well see, I'd go with Pavlik by decision.
Totally disagree with the outcome & the statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Winky has faced plenty of fighters who hit P4P in their weight classes as Pavlik hits.
Also...Winky NEVER tires.
he tired in the hopkins fight but that was to do with weight of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
he did tire in the taylor fight and it cost him.
also the vargas fight and that also cost him
so yeah he does tire
I agree at this stage ,. Pavlik is huge for a Middleweight 6'2 one hell of a reach . fast hands , accurate punches. fights well inside and out. This kids is always punching and thinking offense , also like the way he handles adversity. you find out about a fighter in time of distress. also Kelly have youth on his side.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Wright has his best success when he is the taller / bigger fighter going into a match.. he can use his size and stead hold that solid peekaboo defense, its hard for a smaller man to break thru.. Kelly would likely smash that front door in , no need to wait for it to open. Styles make fights.. this is bad match for the 35 year old wright, especially in a weight class he really don't belong in.
Listen comparing vargas power and Trinada power to Kelly is stupid they were strong fighters but in a lower weight class that is why Trinada should of never gone to middle weight in his biggest wins Wright was always the bigger man Trinidad started at welter and Shane was a lightweight and should of never been in Light middleweight Quarty i thin started in a lower weight as well Winkey would lose this one i have no doubt in my mind Kelly power and reach not mention his work out would be to much either way i see it 11 or 12 round KO win for the Ghost Pavlik
I cannot see it going that way at all. Winky is too smart and defensive to fall into Pavlik's 1-2's. Pavlik will land yes, but Winky has much better defensive ability than Taylor has. I was also not overly impressed with Pavlik the way he handled adversity in the 2nd round against Taylor. His arms were not protecting him and he was flailing like a puppet on strings while it's master was taking a seizure. He was one punch away from getting knocked out and he would not take a knee to buy time. It was Taylor's lack of finishing ability that saved him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Like I said earlier. I think it would go to a decision. Pavlik would throw more punches, Winky would equal him or surpass him in punches landed. Who would win? Your guess is a good as mine.
Well i guess we have to see but if they do fight i will be betting on Pavlik because he has everything going for him at the moment and Winky is 1-1-1 and getting old and as far as comparing them i only have one fighter they both fought and that was Taylor and we all know how both fights went but then you can say styles make fights but Winky style i do not feel would be much of a problem and still see a stoppage late for Pavlik but hey thats just what i think i not saying your wrong and i am right just saying that is the way i see it and we can only know for sure when they actual fight
Plus Winky has not had much success above middle weight and Pavlik has done great because it is his division another thing to add
I like wright via close dec.Alot of pavliks awesome arsenal can also prove to be his weak links.I see Pavlik as an offensive master,Long jab combined with long power,desent mobility on feet ,tremendous heart of a spartan and a pretty solid chin with alot of CONFIDENCE.I really think he breathes new life into the Middleweight division,life into boxing in general for that matter.When he got up against Taylor,It began the 2nd stage of his career.The ONLY thing I'll say in the "IF" catagory is that had Taylor not started flailing away like an absolute amatuer and pretty much gas out.....that round MIGHT have been the last?
I saw Wright In the Hopkins and Taylor fights really disregard his tactical defense in conjuction with a high punchrate.He really got away from what he Is all about and one of the best at....Sharp Jabs,Very good hand speed(underated body work Imo) almost a flat footed apperence with a deliberate step forward but that freakish arm/shoulder/elbow use as effective def.He started thinking he had to force a fight and be an equal aggressor to win when he is best as an effective short counter puncher with good side to side skill.His chin Is Concrete..Save that 5 knockdown fiasco vs.J.C Vasquez!
Hey,Its the friday night...Maybe I started tipping Em'back to soon but In what could be A great fight I think Wright Re-tools and gets back to Da skills Necessary to topple a Young-Blood like Pavlik.Pavlik Is A force that demands respect no doubt and a really cool dude but I think the "old"man can school him.
Well he got a break against the guy on contenderQuote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
Comparing Pavlik's power to Trinidad's is not a good analogy. Pavlik is much much bigger,stronger,more active and weighs more than Tito. And I'm a huge Tito fan. He's more physically imposing and as we've seen from the Taylor/Miranda fights,you're going to need some serious arsenal to keep Pavlik off you. I don't think Winky has that. Also,the blueprint to beat Winky was laid out by Vargas,he constantly banged Winky to the body,lowered his arms and the fired shots up top,racking up points. Kelly can do the same. Kelly wins this fight for me.
Also,Winky had a close fight with JT,whenever Taylor was in trouble,he would fire some shots and that would back Winky up. Pavlik would be firing shots from the start,initiating the action. Winky would have no answer to the power. I don't think I'd pick against Pavlik unless it's someone awkward like Calzaghe. Winky is going to be standing in front of Kelly and I don't see him surviving.
I agree i thought Vargas vs Wright was a draw Winky has never been robbed the Harry Simon fight was also close.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Isn't that the truth!!! Winky is one of the few guys who could probably go 20 rds and still be effective in what he does
Normally i would have picked Wright on points because of that air tight defense and he stepped his offense up lately, but that stinky ass performance he put up against B-hop i might i have to change my vote to Pavlik on that one.
At 170 Winky looked tired that was too much weight for him to handle a guy like B-Hop and even I think he (Winky) won it by 1 point. If a fight with PAvlik is done I will like it to be @ 160.
Pavli knocks out Wright in 8, Wright does not punch hard to keep Pavlik out. If Taylor got too and hurt Wright, Pavlik will put him to sleep.
This fight would be so boring that I hope it isn't on pay per view. I can see it now: Pavlik: Jab, jab, jab, right hand. Winky: block jab, block jab, block jab, get hit with the occasional, non flush, right hand. Pavlik by unanimous decision.
I think like few people said if Pavlik went down to the body hard and made Winkey drop his hands and get some good shots off i think he would knock Winky out and tell me how is Winky going to keep Pavlik off of him when he could not keep Vargas off him this time it is a bigger man with more power and this like i said before will be going to the Ghost Kelly Pavlik by way of Knock out in round 10, 11, or 12 and that is the way i feel
I tend to agree. After watching Pavlik k.o. Taylor and Winky having a real close fight with JT, I think Winky would play his peek-a-boo all night and Pavlik would be chasing him. Might be very boring as Wright would do nothing but cover up and try for the occasional counter shot. If Pavlik won it would be ud or very late k.o. Everyone knows what Pavlik is going to bring, that's a no-brainer, so how the fight plays out depends alot on how Winky decides to handle it. Could be very boring or a damn good fight. How's that for a prediction ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
I love Pavlik...don't get me wrong...but Wright fought Taylor to a stand still & Taylor is more diverse than Pavlik.
Sure Pavlik defeated Taylor...but Taylor by rule of thumb doesn't fight smart fights.
The main issue that everyone keeps talking about is Pavlik working the body...but again...rule of thumb...Pavlik is a head hunter & rarely focuses on the body. He threw only a handful of successful body punches against Taylor...what won him that fight was the fact that Taylor can not fight on the back foot.
Wright can & will.
I just don't see Wright being the fall guy that everyone here seems to.
Listen Wright is a good fighter but at higher then 154 he just not as great as he was and that is all i got to say Wacko i see Winky losing
He defeated Trinidad, Soliman, Quartey, & argueably Taylor all at 160lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
He handled the volume of Soliman, the skills of Quartey, & Taylor's toe to toe best.
None of those are pushovers & Winky shut down a power puncher in Trinidad pretty easily with nothing more than his defense & a jab.
We'll have to chalk this up as a disagreement that will not be answered until the end of their match up.
I hope it happens next year; will give us a whole sh#tload to argue about with each other :D One thing about Kelly, he seems more interested in winning than worrying about losing, if that makes sense. ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
CC Wacko ... Wright is top shelf no question he is one of the best. I think Winky is out of his realm at 160 and at 35 years old Wright would be giving up to much, size, reach, height being the main factor.. this Pavlik fellow keeps the punches coming , very determend fighter . He has long range and power, Kelly would likely have the arsenal to bust right thru Wright's defens and would be far enough away to do it where Wright wont be able to counter as well... when Wright is at his best he is usually the bigger man, with the even or better reach.. when Wright gives up his size and reach that’s when he lose the matches.. Wright looked cemented last time out..Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Agreed. Very good point. Kelly can & will fight anyone at anytime by his own admission...which is what he has based his career on. Kelly has been fighting for a chance out of obscurity in the ranks for years now...I think now that he's got his shot he'll do his best to take on & defeat anyone @ 160lbs...no matter who they are or how skilled/dangerous they are or can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Very good point. :coolclick: