Fighters You like that fell short of winning the title!!!

We always talk about and debate about our favorite fighters...PBF, DLH, Hatton, Cotto ect....or past guys....Leonard, Benn, Hagler ect....

But no one ever talks about a fighter they were or are a fan of that never made it to winning the title...like we are ashamed of them and do not want to admit we are big fans due to being blasted by the rest of the Forum....

I know everyone has that one guy who just can't or couldn't win the title but we liked his style or the heart he showed even in loss and stayed a fan even though he never made it to the top.....

I have and always will be a fan of Emmanuel Augustas, just as many losses as wins but I like watching the guy fight and when he is on point he is a skilled man who has the ability ( or had I should say) to beat just about anyone on any given night...

Who else has that guy who never made it to the top but you still like to follow his career anyway?

I know I can't be the only one... :-\

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Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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Oh Plenty.

Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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nice list

I always had a lot of respect for herol graham. superb ant light middleweight and middleweight at british and european level. was slightly past his peak when he eventually got his first world title chance even though he had lost only once at this time.

at his peak a defensive master with great reflexes.

his loss to jackson was hearbreaking

David Tua definately is the prominant name!

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Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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nice list

I always had a lot of respect for herol graham. superb ant light middleweight and middleweight at british and european level. was slightly past his peak when he eventually got his first world title chance even though he had lost only once at this time.

at his peak a defensive master with great reflexes.

his loss to jackson was hearbreaking

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Thanks Graham has to be unluckiest ever i mean his fight with Mike McCallum was razor thin close and so was his fight against Sumbu Kalambay and Jackson fight ?? well what can i say Jackson's corner were just about to step in then bam out of nowhere thats it all over all Graham had to do was survive the round and not go in for the kill and he would of won and Charles Brewer fight ?? well he floored Brewer twice if i can remember right and was a mile ahead on the scorecards and then was stopped in the 10th round i actually feel bit sorry for Graham.

Audley Harrison

if it wasn't for the bad stoppage against sprott he would be well on his way now

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Oh Plenty.

Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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nice list

I always had a lot of respect for herol graham. superb ant light middleweight and middleweight at british and european level. was slightly past his peak when he eventually got his first world title chance even though he had lost only once at this time.

at his peak a defensive master with great reflexes.

his loss to jackson was hearbreaking

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Thanks Graham has to be unluckiest ever i mean his fight with Mike McCallum was razor thin close and so was his fight against Sumbu Kalambay and Jackson fight ?? well what can i say Jackson's corner were just about to step in then bam out of nowhere thats it all over all Graham had to do was survive the round and not go in for the kill and he would of won and Charles Brewer fight ?? well he floored Brewer twice if i can remember right and was a mile ahead on the scorecards and then was stopped in the 10th round i actually feel bit sorry for Graham.

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me too. it says a lot too that the likes of eubank, benn and watson wanted nothing to do with him either.

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Oh Plenty.

Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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nice list

I always had a lot of respect for herol graham. superb ant light middleweight and middleweight at british and european level. was slightly past his peak when he eventually got his first world title chance even though he had lost only once at this time.

at his peak a defensive master with great reflexes.

his loss to jackson was hearbreaking

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Thanks Graham has to be unluckiest ever i mean his fight with Mike McCallum was razor thin close and so was his fight against Sumbu Kalambay and Jackson fight ?? well what can i say Jackson's corner were just about to step in then bam out of nowhere thats it all over all Graham had to do was survive the round and not go in for the kill and he would of won and Charles Brewer fight ?? well he floored Brewer twice if i can remember right and was a mile ahead on the scorecards and then was stopped in the 10th round i actually feel bit sorry for Graham.

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me too. it says a lot too that the likes of eubank, benn and watson wanted nothing to do with him either.

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I think Graham would of been miles ahead on the scorecards if he fought Benn, Eubank, Watson, but would of been stopped in the last round with 2 seconds left ;D

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Oh Plenty.

Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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nice list

I always had a lot of respect for herol graham. superb ant light middleweight and middleweight at british and european level. was slightly past his peak when he eventually got his first world title chance even though he had lost only once at this time.

at his peak a defensive master with great reflexes.

his loss to jackson was hearbreaking

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Thanks Graham has to be unluckiest ever i mean his fight with Mike McCallum was razor thin close and so was his fight against Sumbu Kalambay and Jackson fight ?? well what can i say Jackson's corner were just about to step in then bam out of nowhere thats it all over all Graham had to do was survive the round and not go in for the kill and he would of won and Charles Brewer fight ?? well he floored Brewer twice if i can remember right and was a mile ahead on the scorecards and then was stopped in the 10th round i actually feel bit sorry for Graham.

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me too. it says a lot too that the likes of eubank, benn and watson wanted nothing to do with him either.

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I think Graham would of been miles ahead on the scorecards if he fought Benn, Eubank, Watson, but would of been stopped in the last round with 2 seconds left ;D

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either that or he would have won every round against eubank but still lost a majority decision :)

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Oh Plenty.

Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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CC great list

Easy for me;

Jerry Quarry who had a fantastic chin and good punch but cut way too easily, but a damn good fighter IMO
Emanuel Augustus, who really pissed me off with his theatrics and wasted talent. A horrible record but many of those losses were his own fault due to trying to be a showman than a fighter. A damn shame

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Oh Plenty.

Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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CC great list

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Easy for me;

Jerry Quarry who had a fantastic chin and good punch but cut way too easily, but a damn good fighter IMO
Emanuel Augustus, who really pissed me off with his theatrics and wasted talent. A horrible record but many of those losses were his own fault due to trying to be a showman than a fighter. A damn shame

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Quarry was in strongest HW era ever any other HW era he would of won the World title his first fight with Frazier was brutal.

Bennie Brisco ....awesome philly middleweight
Harry wills....Very good Heavy in the early centuary by all accounts."The Brown Panther" was out of 'Nawlins ;D and topped off at 6'5 220 give or take and was ranked from #1 to#6 for Three straight years.Faced top contenders throughout.
He signed to fight Jack Dempsey in a highly anticipated match by both and fans...All of the sudden the Govorner of New York Cancelled it Fearing RACE RIOTS.what a Sham(e)
Sam Langford
Harold Brazier
Oba Carr...sure had Chances though
Cecilio Espino...Blood and guts Bantam out of Ca. This could go on a while

Teddy Reid-He was a warrior with a great punch, but very little technique. His chin also left a lot to be desired, but his heart didn't. A true warrior.

Ben Tackie. Good warrior fighter. But not really championship material

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Bennie Brisco ....awesome philly middleweight
Harry wills....Very good Heavy in the early centuary by all accounts."The Brown Panther" was out of 'Nawlins ;D and topped off at 6'5 220 give or take and was ranked from #1 to#6 for Three straight years.Faced top contenders throughout.
He signed to fight Jack Dempsey in a highly anticipated match by both and fans...All of the sudden the Govorner of New York Cancelled it Fearing RACE RIOTS.what a Sham(e)
Sam Langford
Harold Brazier
Oba Carr...sure had Chances though
Cecilio Espino...Blood and guts Bantam out of Ca. This could go on a while

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Oh man Harold Brazier, forgot about him. He was a class act and always came to fight.

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Bennie Brisco ....awesome philly middleweight
Harry wills....Very good Heavy in the early century by all accounts."The Brown Panther" was out of 'Nawlins ;D and topped off at 6'5 220 give or take and was ranked from #1 to#6 for Three straight years.Faced top contenders throughout.
He signed to fight Jack Dempsey in a highly anticipated match by both and fans...All of the sudden the Governor of New York Cancelled it Fearing RACE RIOTS.what a Sham(e)
Sam Langford
Harold Brazier
Oba Carr...sure had Chances though
Cecilio Espino...Blood and guts Bantam out of Ca. This could go on a while

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Oh man Harold Brazier, forgot about him. He was a class act and always came to fight.

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Right you are chief.He stuck around too long and had some "padding" in his early career but was a good tactician/boxer-puncher.He wouldnt shy away from a firefight either(2 insane wars with pompey come to mind).Technically he had a Trinket(NABF) but the big one eluded him.

One of the WORST decisions Ive seen was his Bout with Larry Barnes.Guess I hold grudges to long >:mad

David Tua, kayoed former champs in Ruiz, Moorer, Rahman and Maskaev but himself never got a title :'(
I wish Tua becomes champ before he retires.

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Earnie Shavers
Bert Gilroy
Sam Langford
Jimmy Young
Razor Ruddock
Heral Graham
Michael Watson
David Tua

Charley Burley This guy was ducked like the plague even from Robinson i believe Archie Moore said once *People always ask me who was the best fighter i fought i always say Marciano because thats what people want to hear but really it was Charles Burley because he whooped my a** in my prime.

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I find it amazing that David Tua never won an alphabet title. That's hard to do in todays sport.

This might be a bit premature, but Edison Miranda. I know he's moved up to 168, and I hope he can surprise me, but I don't see him winning a title at super middle.
I love his attitude, charisma, and his come forward style. I think he also demonstrated a good chin and a huge heart in the Pavlik fight.

i liked kirlaind laing too. on his day he had as much talent as anyone. pity he couldnt of been more consistent

Gerry mutha Fuggin Cooney O0
even though he might get one paul briggs

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Easy for me;

Jerry Quarry who had a fantastic chin and good punch but cut way too easily, but a damn good fighter IMO
Emanuel Augustus, who really pissed me off with his theatrics and wasted talent. A horrible record but many of those losses were his own fault due to trying to be a showman than a fighter. A damn shame

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At HW, I would agree with you about Quarry, and add George Chuvalo, from the same era as Quarry, as favorite of mine. Fought Ali tough twice, beat Quarry and fought all the other greats of that generation. I loved Henry "Quick" Tillis, too.

Others - Mickey Ward, how can you not love Irish Micky? Yory Boy Campas, for sure. He was so close but could never break through against the best.

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Easy for me;

Jerry Quarry who had a fantastic chin and good punch but cut way too easily, but a damn good fighter IMO
Emanuel Augustus, who really pissed me off with his theatrics and wasted talent. A horrible record but many of those losses were his own fault due to trying to be a showman than a fighter. A damn shame

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At HW, I would agree with you about Quarry, and add George Chuvalo, from the same era as Quarry, as favorite of mine. Fought Ali tough twice, beat Quarry and fought all the other greats of that generation. I loved Henry "Quick" Tillis, too.

Others - Mickey Ward, how can you not love Irish Micky? Yory Boy Campas, for sure. He was so close but could never break through against the best.

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Damn, I forgot about Chuvalo, my bad. And how could I forget my boy Ward. One of my favorites and ironic I left him out and put Augustus in when Ward/Augustus was a damn fun fight to watch. Thanks for reminding me :)

I was a big Mesi fan. You could tell he really wanted it in the Jirov fight. But that damn Jirov took it out of Mesi that night, even though Joe won. There was an accidental BIG back of the head punch by Jirov. I think Mesi could have made it far, but would have never beaten Vitaly, maybe Wladimir.

I'm a big Margarito fan, and I feel he's been jobbed out of big fight deals plenty of times. I still don't think he's had his chance at becoming the best (WB whO?). I do feel he didn't go all out in the 12th of the Williams fight. So I have to hold that against him and I hope he learns his lesson.

I just have to say it, there is no replacement for Erik Morales. :)

I remember I liked Kassim Ouma, he used to punch with authority and output like no other. Now he seems to just like the attention of just being in the ring.

Also, I hate it when I see young primising stars just getting crumbled by a vet. Sometimes I like it, most of the time I root for the "new order" of young boxers.

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Tony Ayala Jr.?! I heard that he r@ped a woman real, real bad, and that's what got him sent to prison. Like he sodomized her and nearly killed her and shat. How can you like a guy like that?

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Smokin Bert Came within 1 or 2 Punches(so they say) Vs Real deal.His "title" was not literal ,look at all the Champs he fought he faulterd bad. "smoking" Indeed. Funny as sh!!! guy though.
Lopez was in the Golden Era of Light heavys.Had Saad Muhammad Going In 7th or 8th but Saad was concrete.Gave Galindez all he wanted.....He had to wait for the IBHOF before he got his Title.
Ayalas A Absolute Arsshole.frankly after I heard Of Incidents I cheered Campas as he Beat the Dog squeeze out of his Comebacking azz.Yeah he had potential but He Farked himself........but Now hes "Bubba #2" :-*
Micky ward no doubt......Think he got cut vs Phillips and got Screwd??
Bojado was never meant to be..

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Tony Ayala Jr.?! I heard that he r@ped a woman real, real bad, and that's what got him sent to prison. Like he sodomized her and nearly killed her and shat. How can you like a guy like that?

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I liked him in the ring as a fighter not as a person.
2 different things.

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Smokin Bert Came within 1 or 2 Punches(so they say) Vs Real deal.His "title" was not literal ,look at all the Champs he fought he faulterd bad. "smoking" Indeed. Funny as sh!!! guy though.
Lopez was in the Golden Era of Light heavys.Had Saad Muhammad Going In 7th or 8th but Saad was concrete.Gave Galindez all he wanted.....He had to wait for the IBHOF before he got his Title.
Ayalas A Absolute Arsshole.frankly after I heard Of Incidents I cheered Campas as he Beat the Dog squeeze out of his Comebacking azz.Yeah he had potential but He Farked himself........but Now hes "Bubba #2" :-*
Micky ward no doubt......Think he got cut vs Phillips and got Screwd??
Bojado was never meant to be..

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Spot on Jeff Bert was very close to taking out Evander what a good fight that was. He also had Moorer out in the 1st round but just couldn't finish him off. He also dropped Moorer in the 5ht round and then Moorer took his ass out in that same round.
I agree on Lopez man he was in some tremendous era of Light Heavys and fought some of the best guys then.
Ayala is more then an asshole but he liked him as a fighter he had all the tools in the world to be something special and he threw it all away.
Mickys one of me favorites hes fights against Green, Quinonez, Burton, Zab & Gatti are all fights he gave all he had.
Bojado was overhyped BIIGGG TIME and just took a shit.

for me its got to be mickey ward
michael watson purely for the way he destroyed benn
and last and definately not least michael brodie, his fight wiv chi was amazing and although i didnt see his other previous title attempt i heard he was robbed blind

Herol Graham springs to mind.

I have to go with the Bomber Graham camp. Top notch fighter, good bloke and everyone seemed to love him. It seems inconcievable that he didnt win at least one version of a world title. I am sure Bomber must think to himself "what might have been" and feel a tinge of regret everyday.

Danny Williams is one for me, hes a great fighter, with an awesome sense of humor and it would have been amazing to see him being the massive underdog against Tyson, to beating Klit. ( im just dreaming people ;D )

Nicky Cook - First name that came to mind. The stoppage to Luevano was horrible to watch, because he waited so long for his chance. Hopefully he has some of that Clinton Woods 'never say never' attitude.

Danny Williams - When he's at his best and focused, I believe he could do it. Danny unfortunately, is his own worst enemy.

Andrew Golota - Why he low blowed Bowe repeatedly is beyond me. He was owning him badly in the second fight I felt, Bowe didn't know where he was.

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Easy for me;

Jerry Quarry who had a fantastic chin and good punch but cut way too easily, but a damn good fighter IMO
Emanuel Augustus, who really pissed me off with his theatrics and wasted talent. A horrible record but many of those losses were his own fault due to trying to be a showman than a fighter. A damn shame

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At HW, I would agree with you about Quarry, and add George Chuvalo, from the same era as Quarry, as favorite of mine. Fought Ali tough twice, beat Quarry and fought all the other greats of that generation. I loved Henry "Quick" Tillis, too.

Others - Mickey Ward, how can you not love Irish Micky? Yory Boy Campas, for sure. He was so close but could never break through against the best.

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You'll be happy to know that Yory Boy Campas did in fact win the IBF Jr Middleweight Title by KOing Raul Marquez after his unsuccessful run at WW. He defended his title 3 times before being stopped by Fernando Vargas.

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Tony Ayala Jr.?! I heard that he r@ped a woman real, real bad, and that's what got him sent to prison. Like he sodomized her and nearly killed her and shat. How can you like a guy like that?

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I liked him in the ring as a fighter not as a person.
2 different things.

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Smokin Bert Came within 1 or 2 Punches(so they say) Vs Real deal.His "title" was not literal ,look at all the Champs he fought he faulterd bad. "smoking" Indeed. Funny as sh!!! guy though.
Lopez was in the Golden Era of Light heavys.Had Saad Muhammad Going In 7th or 8th but Saad was concrete.Gave Galindez all he wanted.....He had to wait for the IBHOF before he got his Title.
Ayalas A Absolute Arsshole.frankly after I heard Of Incidents I cheered Campas as he Beat the Dog squeeze out of his Comebacking azz.Yeah he had potential but He Farked himself........but Now hes "Bubba #2" :-*
Micky ward no doubt......Think he got cut vs Phillips and got Screwd??
Bojado was never meant to be..

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Spot on Jeff Bert was very close to taking out Evander what a good fight that was. He also had Moorer out in the 1st round but just couldn't finish him off. He also dropped Moorer in the 5ht round and then Moorer took his a** out in that same round.
I agree on Lopez man he was in some tremendous era of Light Heavys and fought some of the best guys then.
Ayala is more then an asshole but he liked him as a fighter he had all the tools in the world to be something special and he threw it all away.
Mickys one of me favorites hes fights against Green, Quinonez, Burton, Zab & Gatti are all fights he gave all he had.
Bojado was overhyped BIIGGG TIME and just took a S***.

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Ward really had a superb Left to the gut.He had bad run on ESPN and lost to guys then that couldn't dream of hanging with him TEN years later.KO of Neary,Veader & Sanchez also Highlight reel quality.Sometimes these "Journey men" bang back.
When I think of Cooper I go through the Coulda,woulda,shoulda stuff.Had His demons been checked and head on right.....Could have been a force .Check out his war with Mercer also .Moorer Vs Cooper indeed Classic brutality

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Tony Ayala Jr.?! I heard that he r@ped a woman real, real bad, and that's what got him sent to prison. Like he sodomized her and nearly killed her and shat. How can you like a guy like that?

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I liked him in the ring as a fighter not as a person.
2 different things.

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Smokin Bert Came within 1 or 2 Punches(so they say) Vs Real deal.His "title" was not literal ,look at all the Champs he fought he faulterd bad. "smoking" Indeed. Funny as sh!!! guy though.
Lopez was in the Golden Era of Light heavys.Had Saad Muhammad Going In 7th or 8th but Saad was concrete.Gave Galindez all he wanted.....He had to wait for the IBHOF before he got his Title.
Ayalas A Absolute Arsshole.frankly after I heard Of Incidents I cheered Campas as he Beat the Dog squeeze out of his Comebacking azz.Yeah he had potential but He Farked himself........but Now hes "Bubba #2" :-*
Micky ward no doubt......Think he got cut vs Phillips and got Screwd??
Bojado was never meant to be..

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Spot on Jeff Bert was very close to taking out Evander what a good fight that was. He also had Moorer out in the 1st round but just couldn't finish him off. He also dropped Moorer in the 5ht round and then Moorer took his a** out in that same round.
I agree on Lopez man he was in some tremendous era of Light Heavys and fought some of the best guys then.
Ayala is more then an asshole but he liked him as a fighter he had all the tools in the world to be something special and he threw it all away.
Mickys one of me favorites hes fights against Green, Quinonez, Burton, Zab & Gatti are all fights he gave all he had.
Bojado was overhyped BIIGGG TIME and just took a S***.

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Ward really had a superb Left to the gut.He had bad run on ESPN and lost to guys then that couldn't dream of hanging with him TEN years later.KO of Neary,Veader & Sanchez also Highlight reel quality.Sometimes these "Journey men" bang back.
When I think of Cooper I go through the Coulda,woulda,shoulda stuff.Had His demons been checked and head on right.....Could have been a force .Check out his war with Mercer also .Moorer Vs Cooper indeed Classic brutality

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No doubt I have the Mercer vs. Cooper fight.
We can't leave out his fights agains Hipp & Coffee.

Yeah, I heard....... I think on Team Evander.....

that Cooper had Holyfields number, but something happened that night that had Evander win it.


I like how CutMeMick said that a Man outside the ring and inside the ring are totally different entities.

With gloves on, the transformation is phenomenal.

Howard Eastman

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Yeah, I heard....... I think on Team Evander.....

that Cooper had Holyfields number, but something happened that night that had Evander win it.


I like how CutMeMick said that a Man outside the ring and inside the ring are totally different entities.

With gloves on, the transformation is phenomenal.

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Crazy thing about that fight with Holyfield is Cooper was actually a last minute sub....,ON SIX days notice.
He was signed to fight Tyson when tyson had a "rib" Injury in traning.Then They went out and signed Italian cream puff Fransico Damiani ..then he dropped out.Along comes Cooper off of Good win over Tuff guy Joe Hipp. Cooper was being called "Tysonesqe" in style by some but with that cross arm Defense.
I dont think Cooper had his number per se but I have to say...and Im thinking hard but That is the worst I have ever seen Holyfield hurt in a fight after those booming right hands he was OUT.
Remember immediatley after that they called time for a Split glove.People say the break saved Evander.But on this Im biased so I dont think so ;).