PACQUIAO FANS!!

It's real hard to not like Pac as a fighter (he's an all time great and a warrior, imo) but when you talk to his fans, they seem to think that he's above GOD.




It kinda makes me want Pac to lose (again ;)) just so the Pac fans will finally STFU.





Looks like I'm finally gonna get my wish though, because Pac has been ordered to fight Juan Manuel Marquez again, and I'm thinking that this is gonna be a huge win for JMM.



Marquez dominated the fight over the course of the last 11 rounds when they last fought, but he was beaten to a pulp in the first round......ONLY the first round.




JMM is gonna pick up where he left off and win this mega-fight by a UD.

this is also the fight I want to see the most becuase both guys have unfinish business.

before the pac mab rematch i thought jmm still had the best chance of beating pac, but now that pac has grown to a different boxer/brawler and has beaten mab in a more careful and technical thought out fight, in a more convincing fasion then jmm beat mab. I have to reserve giving jmm the best chance of beating pac after he face rocky juarez.

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

It's real hard to not like Pac as a fighter (he's an all time great and a warrior, imo) but when you talk to his fans, they seem to think that he's above GOD.




It kinda makes me want Pac to lose (again ;)) just so the Pac fans will finally STFU.





Looks like I'm finally gonna get my wish though, because Pac has been ordered to fight Juan Manuel Marquez again, and I'm thinking that this is gonna be a huge win for JMM.



Marquez dominated the fight over the course of the last 11 rounds when they last fought, but he was beaten to a pulp in the first round......ONLY the first round.




JMM is gonna pick up where he left off and win this mega-fight by a UD.

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I do agree that Manny fans do grate somewhat on one's nerves,but I'd never want a fighter to lose just because of his fans. I hope you're right with the last sentence,JMM deseves more credit as a fighter.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Hi frozen,

You think so? Then good for you! However, if Pac beats JMM, anti-Pac fans could still say these things:

1) It was just a lucky punch that KOed JMM. JMM was winning the majority of the rounds before that KO occurred.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter. He should fight younger fighters instead.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM.
4) If Pac wins by a decision, they would say he was a judge favorite (I have read this argument before in this forum)

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Hi frozen,

You think so? Then good for you! However, if Pac beats JMM, anti-Pac fans could still say these things:

1) It was just a lucky punch that KOed JMM. JMM was winning the majority of the rounds before that KO occurred.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter. He should fight younger fighters instead.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM.
4) If Pac wins by a decision, they would say he was a judge favorite (I have read this argument before in this forum)

What do you think?

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Here's what I think...first & foremost...if you put much stock in what frozensolid_702 says...it raises doubts about one thing & one thing only...the poster who puts much stock in what frozensolid_702 says...period!

1) Being a Marquez fan I think that I can honestly say that I was sweating after the 1st round & all the way thru to the 12th round that what you refer to as "just a lucky punch" was going to land again. Marquez get's much respect from me for making it to the 12th round. Had he KOed JMM then I would have stated that Pac was the man...I generally refer to him as just that when discussion of 130lbs begins to generate...you'd be a moron not to. Whether JMM was winning the majority of rounds prior to getting stopped is a moot point...he got stopped...or might get stopped. It's a possibility.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter? I say Bullshit to that. The only person that I have heard say that is Juan Diaz & he's just trying to make dollars.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM...depends on how he shows...but I doubt that he shows up half assed for the biggest fight of his career...yes I think it's bigger than MAB.
4) If Pac wins by a decision...I can't see that...but I would have to see it...if he outboxed Marquez then he would have to be given his dues...but I can't see that materializing.

Most boxing fans do not share the ideals & opinions of frozensolid_702, nor are they nearly as arguementative on matters of this sort.

Baseless thread in my opinion & if it get's too inflamotry then it will simply be moved.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Hi frozen,

You think so? Then good for you! However, if Pac beats JMM, anti-Pac fans could still say these things:

1) It was just a lucky punch that KOed JMM. JMM was winning the majority of the rounds before that KO occurred.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter. He should fight younger fighters instead.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM.
4) If Pac wins by a decision, they would say he was a judge favorite (I have read this argument before in this forum)

What do you think?

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Same thing if Pac looses. Pac fans will not swallow his loss. In boxing and any sport its hard to make both sides happy.

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Originally Posted by keypool

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Hi frozen,

You think so? Then good for you! However, if Pac beats JMM, anti-Pac fans could still say these things:

1) It was just a lucky punch that KOed JMM. JMM was winning the majority of the rounds before that KO occurred.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter. He should fight younger fighters instead.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM.
4) If Pac wins by a decision, they would say he was a judge favorite (I have read this argument before in this forum)

What do you think?

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Same thing if Pac looses. Pac fans will not swallow his loss. In boxing and any sport its hard to make both sides happy.

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:coolclick: Very well stated.

That is the one thing that blows my mind with "Rabid Pacquiao" fans. Here's the way that I see it. I have favorite boxers & I am a boxing fan through & through. I have favorite boxers that I love to watch as opposed to just watching random fighters. I love Marquez, Hopkins, Cotto, Floyd, Wright, Pavlik, Sturm, & many others. It kills me when any of my favorites lose...I hate it...but that's boxing. Something that I eat, sleep, shit, breath, & think...but in the end...I am a fan of boxing first.

If Pac & Marquez rematch & Pac wins...then that is what is better for boxing. If Pac wins legit...whether it be by TKO or points...as long as it's a legit win...so be it. I wouldn't be thrilled to death about it...but I would conceded that is was the right decision.

Why can Pac fans not see that.

He's not perfect, he's not a god, & unless incest is a legal & blissful event in the Philippines he aint the brother of every Pac fan on the planet...no fighter is any of the three other than the obvious Bobby Pac. My issue is...why the combative, rabid, & blind support?

I love all of my favorite contenders & champions...but I don't act like a blind fool over the facts. I honestly don't get it. You can't even have a discussion here lately if it involves Pac unless ready to get down on your knees in all regards to the man. There are several Pac fans here that act with some common sense...but honestly...of late...those numbers are sparse.

Don't you understand that it takes to fighters to make a fight? Without an opponent that carries some weight...Pac wouldn't sell out arena's...whether or not you want to believe that is your choice...but that is a fact.

I'm actually wondering who are these rabid fans of Pacquaio? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the number one Pacfan here but I have never been rabid in this forum. I will attack Pacquaio if I know he is not doing what a fighter should do (e.g. training in the Philippines). I will attack Pacman if he continues with his vices and womanizing. Definitely, I will loathe him if he continues his political career in the Philippines while he is at his peak in boxing.

Now, all you rabid fans of Pacquaio.......I am calling on you.....















LET'S JOIN HANDS TOGETHER!!!!!!












I know I'll get some sad clicks again for doing this. hehehehe. :rocks: :thankyouthankyou:

Wacko,

I dunno who frozensolid is nor have I read his previous posts in this forum when I replied to this thread.
I am just a casual boxing fan and obviously a newbie in this forum. I saw the thread, then made a post. I didn't have time to do a background check on the thread starter. :)

Don't worry, I don't post much in this forum.

Your insights though, regarding JMM-Pac was cool.

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Originally Posted by keypool

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Hi frozen,

You think so? Then good for you! However, if Pac beats JMM, anti-Pac fans could still say these things:

1) It was just a lucky punch that KOed JMM. JMM was winning the majority of the rounds before that KO occurred.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter. He should fight younger fighters instead.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM.
4) If Pac wins by a decision, they would say he was a judge favorite (I have read this argument before in this forum)

What do you think?

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Here's what I think...first & foremost...if you put much stock in what frozensolid_702 says...it raises doubts about one thing & one thing only...the poster who puts much stock in what frozensolid_702 says...period!

1) Being a Marquez fan I think that I can honestly say that I was sweating after the 1st round & all the way thru to the 12th round that what you refer to as "just a lucky punch" was going to land again. Marquez get's much respect from me for making it to the 12th round. Had he KOed JMM then I would have stated that Pac was the man...I generally refer to him as just that when discussion of 130lbs begins to generate...you'd be a moron not to. Whether JMM was winning the majority of rounds prior to getting stopped is a moot point...he got stopped...or might get stopped. It's a possibility.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter? I say Bullshit to that. The only person that I have heard say that is Juan Diaz & he's just trying to make dollars.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM...depends on how he shows...but I doubt that he shows up half assed for the biggest fight of his career...yes I think it's bigger than MAB.
4) If Pac wins by a decision...I can't see that...but I would have to see it...if he outboxed Marquez then he would have to be given his dues...but I can't see that materializing.

Most boxing fans do not share the ideals & opinions of frozensolid_702, nor are they nearly as arguementative on matters of this sort.

Baseless thread in my opinion & if it get's too inflamotry then it will simply be moved.

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LOL... that was funny! :laugh: :laugh: I wish I could give you a cool click but I still can't...

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I'm actually wondering who are these rabid fans of Pacquaio? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the number one Pacfan here but I have never been rabid in this forum. I will attack Pacquaio if I know he is not doing what a fighter should do (e.g. training in the Philippines). I will attack Pacman if he continues with his vices and womanizing. Definitely, I will loathe him if he continues his political career in the Philippines while he is at his peak in boxing.

Now, all you rabid fans of Pacquaio.......I am calling on you.....















LET'S JOIN HANDS TOGETHER!!!!!!












I know I'll get some sad clicks again for doing this. hehehehe. :rocks: :thankyouthankyou:

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yes, key pool. I have so many scars already in this forum defending pacquaio against some posters who can't say anything good about our man. Regarding El Gamo, don't worry. He hears reason.You can debate with him and not get some sore sad clicks.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I'm actually wondering who are these rabid fans of Pacquaio? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the number one Pacfan here but I have never been rabid in this forum. I will attack Pacquaio if I know he is not doing what a fighter should do (e.g. training in the Philippines). I will attack Pacman if he continues with his vices and womanizing. Definitely, I will loathe him if he continues his political career in the Philippines while he is at his peak in boxing.

Now, all you rabid fans of Pacquaio.......I am calling on you.....















LET'S JOIN HANDS TOGETHER!!!!!!












I know I'll get some sad clicks again for doing this. hehehehe. :rocks: :thankyouthankyou:

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CC actually

thanks Kel. CC back.

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Originally Posted by Chino

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Originally Posted by keypool

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Hi frozen,

You think so? Then good for you! However, if Pac beats JMM, anti-Pac fans could still say these things:

1) It was just a lucky punch that KOed JMM. JMM was winning the majority of the rounds before that KO occurred.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter. He should fight younger fighters instead.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM.
4) If Pac wins by a decision, they would say he was a judge favorite (I have read this argument before in this forum)

What do you think?

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Same thing if Pac looses. Pac fans will not swallow his loss. In boxing and any sport its hard to make both sides happy.

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:coolclick: Very well stated.

That is the one thing that blows my mind with "Rabid Pacquiao" fans. Here's the way that I see it. I have favorite boxers & I am a boxing fan through & through. I have favorite boxers that I love to watch as opposed to just watching random fighters. I love Marquez, Hopkins, Cotto, Floyd, Wright, Pavlik, Sturm, & many others. It kills me when any of my favorites lose...I hate it...but that's boxing. Something that I eat, sleep, shit, breath, & think...but in the end...I am a fan of boxing first.

If Pac & Marquez rematch & Pac wins...then that is what is better for boxing. If Pac wins legit...whether it be by TKO or points...as long as it's a legit win...so be it. I wouldn't be thrilled to death about it...but I would conceded that is was the right decision.

Why can Pac fans not see that.

He's not perfect, he's not a god, & unless incest is a legal & blissful event in the Philippines he aint the brother of every Pac fan on the planet...no fighter is any of the three other than the obvious Bobby Pac. My issue is...why the combative, rabid, & blind support?

I love all of my favorite contenders & champions...but I don't act like a blind fool over the facts. I honestly don't get it. You can't even have a discussion here lately if it involves Pac unless ready to get down on your knees in all regards to the man. There are several Pac fans here that act with some common sense...but honestly...of late...those numbers are sparse.

Don't you understand that it takes to fighters to make a fight? Without an opponent that carries some weight...Pac wouldn't sell out arena's...whether or not you want to believe that is your choice...but that is a fact.

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Cc,superb posting,everything I wanted to say. Great work.

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Originally Posted by keypool

LOL... that was funny! :laugh: :laugh: I wish I could give you a cool click but I still can't...

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I'm actually wondering who are these rabid fans of Pacquaio? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the number one Pacfan here but I have never been rabid in this forum. I will attack Pacquaio if I know he is not doing what a fighter should do (e.g. training in the Philippines). I will attack Pacman if he continues with his vices and womanizing. Definitely, I will loathe him if he continues his political career in the Philippines while he is at his peak in boxing.

Now, all you rabid fans of Pacquaio.......I am calling on you.....















LET'S JOIN HANDS TOGETHER!!!!!!












I know I'll get some sad clicks again for doing this. hehehehe. :rocks: :thankyouthankyou:

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Exactly. CC Bruce. I seldom hand out sad clicks. And if you make a valid point then I concede to that. I am boxing fan first and foremost. I respect Manny for all he does,I just can't stand blind nut hugger fans.

thanks EG. CC back.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

I'm actually wondering who are these rabid fans of Pacquaio? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the number one Pacfan here but I have never been rabid in this forum. I will attack Pacquaio if I know he is not doing what a fighter should do (e.g. training in the Philippines). I will attack Pacman if he continues with his vices and womanizing. Definitely, I will loathe him if he continues his political career in the Philippines while he is at his peak in boxing.

Now, all you rabid fans of Pacquaio.......I am calling on you.....

LET'S JOIN HANDS TOGETHER!!!!!!

I know I'll get some sad clicks again for doing this. hehehehe. :rocks: :thankyouthankyou:

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Not you...I suppose when I make a statement like that I should be more specific & include something like "you know who you are" when referring to the "Rabid Pac-Fans" that I am speaking of...& they most definently know who they are.

There are plenty of Pac-Fans on here that follow the bulk of boxing instead of idolizing "The One" & most of those can carry on a very knowledgeable thread that consists of more than just one player. Then we have a few Pac-Fans that are full on Pac-Fans...but they don't act like fools...they see two sides of the coin.

Know what I mean?

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Originally Posted by keypool

Wacko,

I dunno who frozensolid is nor have I read his previous posts in this forum when I replied to this thread.
I am just a casual boxing fan and obviously a newbie in this forum. I saw the thread, then made a post. I didn't have time to do a background check on the thread starter. :)

Don't worry, I don't post much in this forum.

Your insights though, regarding JMM-Pac was cool.

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Originally Posted by keypool

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

If Pac beats JMM convincingly, then there's no argument against his greatness.

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Hi frozen,

You think so? Then good for you! However, if Pac beats JMM, anti-Pac fans could still say these things:

1) It was just a lucky punch that KOed JMM. JMM was winning the majority of the rounds before that KO occurred.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter. He should fight younger fighters instead.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM.
4) If Pac wins by a decision, they would say he was a judge favorite (I have read this argument before in this forum)

What do you think?

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Here's what I think...first & foremost...if you put much stock in what frozensolid_702 says...it raises doubts about one thing & one thing only...the poster who puts much stock in what frozensolid_702 says...period!

1) Being a Marquez fan I think that I can honestly say that I was sweating after the 1st round & all the way thru to the 12th round that what you refer to as "just a lucky punch" was going to land again. Marquez get's much respect from me for making it to the 12th round. Had he KOed JMM then I would have stated that Pac was the man...I generally refer to him as just that when discussion of 130lbs begins to generate...you'd be a moron not to. Whether JMM was winning the majority of rounds prior to getting stopped is a moot point...he got stopped...or might get stopped. It's a possibility.
2) Pac beats another old Mexican fighter? I say Bullshit to that. The only person that I have heard say that is Juan Diaz & he's just trying to make dollars.
3) It was just an off-night for JMM...depends on how he shows...but I doubt that he shows up half assed for the biggest fight of his career...yes I think it's bigger than MAB.
4) If Pac wins by a decision...I can't see that...but I would have to see it...if he outboxed Marquez then he would have to be given his dues...but I can't see that materializing.

Most boxing fans do not share the ideals & opinions of frozensolid_702, nor are they nearly as arguementative on matters of this sort.

Baseless thread in my opinion & if it get's too inflamotry then it will simply be moved.

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I think you might have taken that wrong, keypool. It wasn't a slight against you. I think that your posts & threads have all been open minded & also informative. A budding asset to the forum whether or not you consider yourself a boxing fan or not...you conduct yourself respectfully & your debates are all within the bounds of good friendly discussion.

These threads are generally set up just to start S***...& for some reason they always succeed in that goal.

I hate it because it generally pits poster against poster & in my opinion often get's new posters sucked in to a baseless arguement that either ends up getting them banned for bickering or just turns them off the forum altogether.

Useless tactic, IWO, that ends up doing nothing but starting trash that dirties up the forum.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

yes, key pool. I have so many scars already in this forum defending pacquaio against some posters who can't say anything good about our man. Regarding El Gamo, don't worry. He hears reason.You can debate with him and not get some sore sad clicks.

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Trust me when I say this...posters like you & keypool that discuss without starting S*** are what makes the forum tick.

You two are relatively new members to this forum...& as I stated before...I hate it when threads like this are started because they get all the new posters sucked in to a ridiculous arguement that either ends up getting them scolded for bickering or just turns them off to the forum altogether.

I have no issues with Pacquiao...I think that he's exciting & good for boxing. I was actually sucked into all of his hype the minute that he blew through Barrera.

I have no problem with him beating Marquez in a rematch...but I want it done convincingly & I want the outcome to hurry the hell up & happen.

Again...I have no issues with fans that talk sense...I could say the same thing about Hatton-Fans or Floyd-Fans because there have been many on this forum that have come & gone...but the ones that stayed are the ones that concede that any man is beatable & every dog must have his day.

The way I see it is this: There is no wrong in reveling in the fact that your favorite fighter is having his day...but you have to understand that (by that I mean : WE as fans) that day will most likely come to an end & you'd be prepared for it.

To turn it around on meself & make it more clear : It's the way that I handle Floyd & Cotto...& I say I'm a huge fan of Floyd & Cotto.

If one or the other loses...then he does...there is no use making up excuses & starting arguements over the loss...because it is going to happen.

I am sweating the hell out of the months of November & December...but at the end of the night...no matter what...the better man won.

Anywho...I'm gettin off track.

These threads are generally set up just to start S***...& for some reason they always succeed in that goal.

I hate it because it generally pits poster against poster & in my opinion often get's new posters sucked in to a baseless arguement that either ends up getting them banned for bickering or just turns them off the forum altogether.

Useless tactic, IWO, that ends up doing nothing but starting trash that dirties up the forum.- Wacko

CC in 24. I totally agree and have been guilty of this myself. There are too many posters aiming to start debating wars and get "1ups" on other posters when alot of the time,there is a debate about nothing. If there is a point to discuss and debate about the point,then by all means,discuss it,but to start threads and debates for absolutely no purpose other than that to start arguments is foolish. Great posting my man.

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These threads are generally set up just to start S***...& for some reason they always succeed in that goal.

I hate it because it generally pits poster against poster & in my opinion often get's new posters sucked in to a baseless arguement that either ends up getting them banned for bickering or just turns them off the forum altogether.

Useless tactic, IWO, that ends up doing nothing but starting trash that dirties up the forum.- Wacko

CC in 24. I totally agree and have been guilty of this myself. There are too many posters aiming to start debating wars and get "1ups" on other posters when alot of the time,there is a debate about nothing. If there is a point to discuss and debate about the point,then by all means,discuss it,but to start threads and debates for absolutely no purpose other than that to start arguments is foolish. Great posting my man.

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:coolclick: back.

Totally agree with what you posted. As mod's we have to sort this out & do a lot of begging & pleading with various members across this very diverse playing field.

We make a lot of our chums upset & put them at odds by doing so.

It's not something that we all thrive on...but it does keep it honest.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

These threads are generally set up just to start S***...& for some reason they always succeed in that goal.

I hate it because it generally pits poster against poster & in my opinion often get's new posters sucked in to a baseless arguement that either ends up getting them banned for bickering or just turns them off the forum altogether.

Useless tactic, IWO, that ends up doing nothing but starting trash that dirties up the forum.- Wacko

CC in 24. I totally agree and have been guilty of this myself. There are too many posters aiming to start debating wars and get "1ups" on other posters when alot of the time,there is a debate about nothing. If there is a point to discuss and debate about the point,then by all means,discuss it,but to start threads and debates for absolutely no purpose other than that to start arguments is foolish. Great posting my man.

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:coolclick: back.

Totally agree with what you posted. As mod's we have to sort this out & do a lot of begging & pleading with various members across this very diverse playing field.

We make a lot of our chums upset & put them at odds by doing so.

It's not something that we all thrive on...but it does keep it honest.

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I'm not a Pac fan, but admitted that if he beats JMM (the only guy to give him trouble for a long time)
then there's no denying his greatness...




Nobody is trying to start any kind of "debate wars ::**" just trying to start a good debate. That's all

i agree to what everybody here has to say. CC to everyone. but like what gamo said, some people here just start thread to get "rabid fans" of any fighter to get going. like the other thread here, "pacman, nowhere to run". i mean, we all know pac was not the one running from jmm so as a standpoint to any pac fan, we would have to respond to that. and there are others who posts so arrogantly that everytime you respond to their post it makes you look like a nuthugger but you are just basically making your point. but CC to gamo, to wacko to keypool and to bruce.

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i agree to what everybody here has to say. CC to everyone. but like what gamo said, some people here just start thread to get "rabid fans" of any fighter to get going. like the other thread here, "pacman, nowhere to run". i mean, we all know pac was not the one running from jmm so as a standpoint to any pac fan, we would have to respond to that. and there are others who posts so arrogantly that everytime you respond to their post it makes you look like a fan but you are just basically making your point. but CC to gamo, to wacko to keypool and to bruce.

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That's the topic.................. did you happen to read the thread??





Perhaps an attention grabbing topic title is a way to bring all fans (or non fans) in the thread.







Next time, read the content before posting ;)

Frozen, I think i'm the only guy around here that understands you. We all know I'm a pacfan, but I think we similar in the way we express a point sometimes. I guess we can be too aggressive for most of our sensitive saddonean brothers.

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I guess we can be too aggressive for most of our sensitive saddonean brothers.

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The big question is...... Are we being too aggressive, or are they too sensitive?



I'm going with the latter, it's a boxing forum........ not a womens lib forum ;)

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I guess we can be too aggressive for most of our sensitive saddonean brothers.

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The big question is...... Are we being too aggressive, or are they too sensitive?



I'm going with the latter, it's a boxing forum........ not a womens lib forum ;)

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either way we all gotta make adjustment bro. the forum is for everybody so we have to find ways to all get along.

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Frozen, I think I'm the only guy around here that understands you. We all know I'm a pacfan, but I think we similar in the way we express a point sometimes. I guess we can be too aggressive for most of our sensitive saddonean brothers.

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I am so happy to see that Pac will soon be ending his "Seniors" tour and fighting for belts and further uplifting his legacy. It will be refreshing to see posts that are not aimed at slandering a proud Mexican culture/heritage.

I love boxing ! I make no excuses but ask that you see the body of work that JMM, MAB and EM just prior to their meeting up with awesome PAC. The lone exception being JMM 1. he knew what to expect but still was unable to avoid that terrible 1st round. MAB 1 was a case over underestimating PAC and camp disruptions. Well we all saw that although he remained competitive he was never the same again. EM had no business even receiving fights 2 & 3 with emphasis on #3.

A RECIPE FOR THE HOLIDAYS: NUTHUGGERS DELIGHT

JMM has looked very slow a foot and easy to hit. Furthermore lets review what he has done lately and his opponents since Pac1:
Orlando Salido - UD wake me zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Victor Polo - UD wake me zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Chris John UD lost
Terdsak Jandaeng - KO 7 Took a good beating and had eye severely cut
Jimrex Jaca - KO 9 was consistently hit by Jaca's jab. Jaca's lack of power lost it for him.
Marco Antonio Barrera - UD Battle of the sloths: Hardly the fight that was hyped and was knocked to
the canvas.

MAB has looked very slow a foot and easy to hit. Furthermore lets review what he has done after Pac 1:

Paulie Ayala - KO 10 - Poor Paulie too slight a puncher to be of any risk
Erik Morales - UD EM Already showing signs of deteriorating skills and slow to counter
Mzonke Fana - KO 2 ............. "Who?"
Robbie Peden - UD just what is was a tune up
Rocky Juarez - SD " Who is faster the turtle or the sloth? 1 dimensional fighter. Rocky robbed.
Rocky Juarez - UD tune up race for track meet with PAC. Just run baby run!
Juan Manuel Marquez - UD Battle of the sloths: Hardly the fight that was hyped. It is visible the
guy just can not slip punches as well anymore.
Pac - UD lost MAB entered the ring with a deposit slip to his bank account and then
ran for 12 rounds prior to seeing a teller.

EM has looked very slow a foot and easy to hit, resorts to countering with his face. Will do anything for a buck as in promote San Miguel over Corona. Furthermore lets review what he had done after Pac1 and his opponents:

Zahir Raheem - UD lost Thought I was watching a cartoon as EM got slapped silly. Simply put:
a worn out boxer "FIN"

Manny Pacquiao KO 10 lost just how does she get this fight after the last showing
Manny Pacquiao KO 3 lost just how does he get this fight? This is what an old man with ED
looks like. Signs 2 contracts 1 for the fight and the other with
San Miguel. Think Pac would do a Corona / Tecate commercial after
a beating ? lol .... never
So I beg to differ that a victory over JMM will make PAC a legend outside of Phils. If yo mute the previous fights over past their time Mexican boxers and rely on your senses only. You will see slow, plodding boxers, diminished skills, no muscle definition, low punch output per round and poor stats leading up to their confrontations. It is physically apparent that neither brought power up to the weight class as PAC was able to do. Perhaps the JMM fight Will be staged in a convalescent home so therefore he can be admitted bedside next to EM and MAB.

I can see/smell the fresh air on the horizon with storylines of a slugfest with Valero. Revenge for his brother with Soto. Is Joan really a man or a woman? These boxers may not have the resumes of the forementioned elders but at least they have legitmate power and energy. The secret lies in our minds and the time that binds. In my opinion these fights are what will define Pac and lead him to the next class in weight and true competition. There he will need to fend off power shots directed at him for a change and deal with physically stronger opponents.

Addicted to_boxing,

Watch again the Pacman vs Morales 2 fight and all the fights you have mentioned. I really doubt if you know what you are saying. As for me, I have watched again the Pacman vs Morales 2 and I can tell you that Pacman was not fighting a shot Morales there.

what do you mean PAcquaio ending his senior's tour? PAcquaio hardly got a draw from Marquez.Many still believe Marquez won that fight based on counter punching. Morales gave a boxing lesson to pacquaio during their first fight. Don't tell me that after 1 year Morales immediately became shot.

As far as I know, PAcquaio had a hard time knocking Larios and Solis. Who are they compared to Barrera, Morales and Marquez? Are you now discrediting the wins(draw) of Pacquaio over Barrera, Morales and Marquez?

You beg to differ that a win by Pacquaio over JMM will make Pacquaio a legend outside the Philipipines?

For your information, PAcquaio is already a legend outside the Philippines. He is pound for pound #2 and the most exciting fighter out there.

please.... please.... can you just simply give Pacquaio the respect he deserves?

.......and may I also add : please stop disrespecting Morales, Barrera and Marquez if you are not sure with what you are saying.

You surely deserve an sc but I won't be giving you that coz I will be expecting that you will retract what you have just alleged. O0

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I guess we can be too aggressive for most of our sensitive saddonean brothers.

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The big question is...... Are we being too aggressive, or are they too sensitive?

I'm going with the latter, it's a boxing forum........ not a womens lib forum ;)

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Maybe it's just that a vast number of your "sensitive saddonean brothers" are just getting sick & tired of hearing other members complain about your antics.

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I guess we can be too aggressive for most of our sensitive saddonean brothers.

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The big question is...... Are we being too aggressive, or are they too sensitive?



I'm going with the latter, it's a boxing forum........ not a womens lib forum ;)

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Sarcasm is the supreme sign of sensitive feminine skin. - pacfan
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Addicted to_boxing,

Watch again the Pacman vs Morales 2 fight and all the fights you have mentioned. I really doubt if you know what you are saying. As for me, I have watched again the Pacman vs Morales 2 and I can tell you that Pacman was not fighting a shot Morales there.

what do you mean PAcquaio ending his senior's tour? PAcquaio hardly got a draw from Marquez.Many still believe Marquez won that fight based on counter punching. Morales gave a boxing lesson to pacquaio during their first fight. Don't tell me that after 1 year Morales immediately became shot.

As far as I know, PAcquaio had a hard time knocking Larios and Solis. Who are they compared to Barrera, Morales and Marquez? Are you now discrediting the wins(draw) of Pacquaio over Barrera, Morales and Marquez?

You beg to differ that a win by Pacquaio over JMM will make Pacquaio a legend outside the Philipipines?

For your information, PAcquaio is already a legend outside the Philippines. He is pound for pound #2 and the most exciting fighter out there.

please.... please.... can you just simply give Pacquaio the respect he deserves?

.......and may I also add : please stop disrespecting Morales, Barrera and Marquez if you are not sure with what you are saying.

You surely deserve an sc but I won't be giving you that coz I will be expecting that you will retract what you have just alleged. O0

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Legend? If he some how managed to get knocked out by JMM and then lost the last segment of a trilogy I hardly believe people will be have the same belief. Thing is, it is not going happen. And I am not putting down MAB or EM just bringing up points. As far as JMM he has steadily declined. And my friend yes I am telling you I saw a shot EM & trust me it does not take a year to lose it all , it only takes one outting. Larios moved up in weight and hit himself more than Pac hit him. Prior to the Pac fight Larios was knocked out by Israel Vazquez and Ko'd in his last fight by Jorge Linares. And yes Solis record was impressive going into the fight. Can you tell me the successful accomplishments of just one of Solis' opponents? If you can, I will forgive your royal huggingness Save yourself some time "ninguno, "zero" "bokya" !! As far as the JMM fight I have nothing but praise for PAC and JMM was in shape then. Today he is a mere image of what he was in their last meeting & Pac has progressed.

And although Pac has accomplished alot, there would not be so many people questioning his accomplishments if there were no points to bring up in this forum. I have gone so far as to bring in stats and facIs to my cause whereas you merely bring a heavy heart for PAC. I believe that Pac's Journey has just begun so hold off on the anointing oil. Remember a fellow named Tyson ? He was blowing people up, then boom. !!! Now that his star has fallen we examine his opponents and realize it was more fad than fashionable accomplishments. I am merely bringing it up prior to a downfall. That is why I look forward to the future where Pac can shut the nay sayers up by fighting boxers in their prime, at their peak and coming into the bout on a high note rather that losses, and questions concerning their age. As far as retracting my comment .... dude go jump in the ocean !

"Larios moved up in weight and hit himself more than Pac hit him. Prior to the Pac fight Larios was knocked out by Israel Vazquez and Ko'd in his last fight by Jorge Linares."

You have just admitted that Pacquaio was so impressive in defeating an Erik Morales who was not yet shot. Pac had a hard time with Larios, admit it. He could hardly knock him. Would you say therefore that during the Pacman vs EM2 Erik won't win against Larios? You must be out of your senses. You know for a fact that Larios wont win against Erik Morales during that time (of course, had they meet).

"And my friend yes I am telling you I saw a shot EM & trust me it does not take a year to lose it all , it only takes one outting".

My friend, you did not see a shot Morales during the PAcman vs Morales 2. You saw a better PAcquaio there. I am urging you, beyond the call of urgency, to watch that fight. I bet you haven't seen it yet. A skilled fighter like Morales does not become shot in one outing..... that I can assure you my friend.

"And although Pac has accomplished alot, there would not be so many people questioning his accomplishments if there were no points to bring up in this forum. I have gone so far as to bring in stats and facIs to my cause whereas you merely bring a heavy heart for PAC. I believe that Pac's Journey has just begun so hold off on the anointing oil."

It's funny my friend that you are claiming to have brought stats in your arguments coz as far as I know, it's you who was bringing a heavy heart against PAcquaio. REad again your prior posts.You were practically degrading Barrera, Morales, and Marquez just to insult PAcquaio.

"Remember a fellow named Tyson ? He was blowing people up, then boom. !!! Now that his star has fallen we examine his opponents and realize it was more fad than fashionable accomplishments. I am merely bringing it up prior to a downfall."

Ohhhh, you're questioning now the fights of Tyson? So you mean all his opponents' records were padded to make Tyson great? So defeating Berbick, Spinks, etc. were all fad? So Tyson becoming the youngest heavyweight champion was a script? And all his knock outs?

You know what, man (not dude)?...... you're funny.

Here's your cc for being funny. :jester-new:

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"Larios moved up in weight and hit himself more than Pac hit him. Prior to the Pac fight Larios was knocked out by Israel Vazquez and Ko'd in his last fight by Jorge Linares."

You have just admitted that Pacquaio was so impressive in defeating an Erik Morales who was not yet shot. Pac had a hard time with Larios, admit it. He could hardly knock him. Would you say therefore that during the Pacman vs EM2 Erik won't win against Larios? You must be out of your senses. You know for a fact that Larios wont win against Erik Morales during that time (of course, had they meet).

"And my friend yes I am telling you I saw a shot EM & trust me it does not take a year to lose it all , it only takes one outting".

My friend, you did not see a shot Morales during the PAcman vs Morales 2. You saw a better PAcquaio there. I am urging you, beyond the call of urgency, to watch that fight. I bet you haven't seen it yet. A skilled fighter like Morales does not become shot in one outing..... that I can assure you my friend.

"And although Pac has accomplished alot, there would not be so many people questioning his accomplishments if there were no points to bring up in this forum. I have gone so far as to bring in stats and facts to my cause whereas you merely bring a heavy heart for PAC. I believe that Pac's Journey has just begun so hold off on the anointing oil."

It's funny my friend that you are claiming to have brought stats in your arguments coz as far as I know, it's you who was bringing a heavy heart against PAcquaio. REad again your prior posts.You were practically degrading Barrera, Morales, and Marquez just to insult PAcquaio.

"Remember a fellow named Tyson ? He was blowing people up, then boom. !!! Now that his star has fallen we examine his opponents and realize it was more fad than fashionable accomplishments. I am merely bringing it up prior to a downfall."

Ohhhh, you're questioning now the fights of Tyson? So you mean all his opponents' records were padded to make Tyson great? So defeating Berbick, Spinks, etc. were all fad? So Tyson becoming the youngest heavyweight champion was a script? And all his knock outs?

You know what, man (not dude)?...... you're funny.

Here's your cc for being funny. :jester-new:

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You have just admitted that Pacquaio was so impressive in defeating an Erik Morales who was not yet shot. ( Where and when did I say that?) And I never mentioned any dream scenarios of Larios vs EM. Larios hit Pac with one good shot and got peppered the rest of the way. So if you are going to make up stupid analogies then according to your logic Jorge Linares should mop the floor with Pac based on what he was able to do to Larios ( I do not think that ,but your way of reasoning conveys that kind of rhetoric)

Berbick and Spinks are weak links to your case buddy...... Neither are fresh in anyones mind. And If you you would remove you PAC shield and clear your defenses, and stimulate your brain cells you would see that in closing that I stated Pac's Journey has just begun. That I await the day that he will shit the naysayes up. But your PAC huggingness shield only filters tidbits. Do you have something like Pac Check that scans text and alarms you? Because it appears you do no either read entire posts or have comprehension difficulties. I also find it funny how you omit the fact that some of PAC's opponents came into the bouts off beatings but had "marketable names". That many have been questioning MAB's & EM age and wear and tear from battles. Now for no fault of Pac's i believe many will affix that to JMM. The best way to alleviate the over the hill jargon is for him to by pass them. Luckily he has tucked most of them away in bed already. Relax ...... getoff the redillen, stop popping the Viagra so your PAC erection can go down. Message from me to your lower brain lobe: "I do not hate PAC"! I hate huggers !!!!

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Addicted to_boxing,

Watch again the Pacman vs Morales 2 fight and all the fights you have mentioned. I really doubt if you know what you are saying. As for me, I have watched again the Pacman vs Morales 2 and I can tell you that Pacman was not fighting a shot Morales there.

what do you mean PAcquaio ending his senior's tour? PAcquaio hardly got a draw from Marquez.Many still believe Marquez won that fight based on counter punching. Morales gave a boxing lesson to pacquaio during their first fight. Don't tell me that after 1 year Morales immediately became shot.

As far as I know, PAcquaio had a hard time knocking Larios and Solis. Who are they compared to Barrera, Morales and Marquez? Are you now discrediting the wins(draw) of Pacquaio over Barrera, Morales and Marquez?

You beg to differ that a win by Pacquaio over JMM will make Pacquaio a legend outside the Philipipines?

For your information, PAcquaio is already a legend outside the Philippines. He is pound for pound #2 and the most exciting fighter out there.

please.... please.... can you just simply give Pacquaio the respect he deserves?

.......and may I also add : please stop disrespecting Morales, Barrera and Marquez if you are not sure with what you are saying.

You surely deserve an sc but I won't be giving you that coz I will be expecting that you will retract what you have just alleged. O0

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Legend? If he some how managed to get knocked out by JMM and then lost the last segment of a trilogy I hardly believe people will be have the same belief. Thing is, it is not going happen. And I am not putting down MAB or EM just bringing up points. As far as JMM he has steadily declined. And my friend yes I am telling you I saw a shot EM & trust me it does not take a year to lose it all , it only takes one outting. Larios moved up in weight and hit himself more than Pac hit him. Prior to the Pac fight Larios was knocked out by Israel Vazquez and Ko'd in his last fight by Jorge Linares. And yes Solis record was impressive going into the fight. Can you tell me the successful accomplishments of just one of Solis' opponents? If you can, I will forgive your royal huggingness Save yourself some time "ninguno, "zero" "bokya" !! As far as the JMM fight I have nothing but praise for PAC and JMM was in shape then. Today he is a mere image of what he was in their last meeting & Pac has progressed.

And although Pac has accomplished alot, there would not be so many people questioning his accomplishments if there were no points to bring up in this forum. I have gone so far as to bring in stats and facIs to my cause whereas you merely bring a heavy heart for PAC. I believe that Pac's Journey has just begun so hold off on the anointing oil. Remember a fellow named Tyson ? He was blowing people up, then boom. !!! Now that his star has fallen we examine his opponents and realize it was more fad than fashionable accomplishments. I am merely bringing it up prior to a downfall. That is why I look forward to the future where Pac can shut the nay sayers up by fighting boxers in their prime, at their peak and coming into the bout on a high note rather that losses, and questions concerning their age. As far as retracting my comment .... dude go jump in the ocean !

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I am not discrediting the wins of Pacquaio over Barrera 1,but 2 was a joke. EM 1 was a case of an over acheiveing EM and 2 was a combination of a shot fighter and an improved PAC, EM 3 should never have taken place a shear disgrace except to PAC followers. As far as the JMM fight Pac became a better boxer because of that fight. I still can not believe PAC did not close the show.

And yes I did see the EM2 fight as I see all big (hyped)fights. So Bruce if you bag Farah Faucet today at her ripe ol age, does it still count as as much as if she were in her 20's ? Case closed !!!!!!!!! lol ........ You go player .........gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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It's real hard to not like Pac as a fighter (he's an all time great and a warrior, imo) but when you talk to his fans, they seem to think that he's above GOD.




It kinda makes me want Pac to lose (again ;)) just so the Pac fans will finally STFU.





Looks like I'm finally gonna get my wish though, because Pac has been ordered to fight Juan Manuel Marquez again, and I'm thinking that this is gonna be a huge win for JMM.



Marquez dominated the fight over the course of the last 11 rounds when they last fought, but he was beaten to a pulp in the first round......ONLY the first round.




JMM is gonna pick up where he left off and win this mega-fight by a UD.

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Really ? i think PACMAN is far better fighter than he was in the first fight with JMM , i personally think PAC will KO him inside 6 rounds. but i really wanna see the rematch.