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Looks like Pavlik Taylor rematch is going to happen.
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YOUNGSTOWN — Move over John Duddy, it looks like Jermain Taylor wants another shot at Youngstown's Kelly Pavlik.
Taylor, who lost his middleweight title to Pavlik last month, told Top Rank Boxing on Monday he plans to exercise his rematch clause with Pavlik, setting up a possible February non-title fight between the two at the catch weight of 166.
"He informed Top Rank," said Pavlik's manager, Cameron Dunkin. "There's nothing done yet, though. They could change their mind tomorrow and we'd be back right where we are."
Pavlik (32-0, 29 KOs) had been tentatively scheduled to fight Duddy on Jan. 26 at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, the same venue that held the first Pavlik-Taylor fight.
But Taylor's decision changes things. Taylor (27-1, 17 KOs) had secured an rematch clause in the contract before the first fight and repeatedly said he planned to use it.
Dunkin said a Taylor fight would probably take place in February.
By triggering the clause, he's guaranteed to be Pavlik's first opponent. He had until Oct. 29 to activate the clause.
Taylor lost his WBO and WBC titles to Pavlik when he was knocked out in the seventh round. One big question surrounding Taylor will likely be his choice of trainer. He reportedly is considering dumping legendary trainer Emanuel Steward, who has trained him the last four fights. Taylor has not looked impressive under Steward and may seek a change.
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I'm a lot happier to see Taylor/Pavlik 2 than Duddy/Pavlik.
John isn't ready, by a long shot.
Last Saturday night we saw him box a poor opponent of Kelly's height and he had an awkward if not unsuccesful 1st round.(he then succeded in obliterating Prince AAron in the 2nd)
Nonetheless, Duddy needs to learn a lot before even dreaming of Challenging the top dogs and a fight with another top level contender is extremely important in my view
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The result will be the same Pavlik by KO
This time when tagged Pavlik wont hold his chin out ,he will cover up.
JT has no gas in the tank after 5 round and fight in spurts , a big no no againest a pressure fighter like Kelly.
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Yep, he'll break Taylor again, same round, same way. Kelly won't goof around with Taylor this time and Jermaine will be apprehensive. He'll stay on the outside and try to outbox Kelly, but he'll get caught again one way or the other and then the Fat Lady will start singing. Wonder what Jermaine will do if Pavlik beats him again??? Will be interesting to see if Taylor gets a new trainer and who it will be. Maybe he'll try for Floyd Sr :D
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I think it will be interesting to see what adjustments taylor will make now that he knows what to expect. I for one don't think it will be anything like the first fight. Who wins i don't know but i don't see another pavlik walk thru.
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I'll pick Taylor by Late KO :-\
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This would be the right time for Taylor to go back to Pat Burns with his hat in his hand.
Trainers can make a difference in rounds like the 5th & 6th round of their previous match up. Steward was telling Taylor that Pavlik was spent...that he had nothing left & the next thing you know...Taylor's knocked the fwock out!
Burns would have coaxed Taylor into a better mentality...but I'm not so sure that a sound frame of mind is an easy thing to master after youv'e had your brain knocked into the top of your skull.
I honestly think that Taylor will fair better this time...but I still believe that Pavlik can beat him again. If Taylor boxes smart he could wrangle a decision...but I don't see him stopping Pavlik.
I'd actually like to see a draw & then Pavlik fight someone else & then have a third bout end in Kelly's favor.
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I hope they don't have an immediate rematch, no need. I reckon Pavlik would beat him even faster.
Taylor looked poor going into the fight, fought his best fight in ages, and still got stopped. A serious regroup is in order and maybe a split from Steward wouldn't be such a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
This would be the right time for Taylor to go back to Pat Burns with his hat in his hand.
Trainers can make a difference in rounds like the 5th & 6th round of their previous match up. Steward was telling Taylor that Pavlik was spent...that he had nothing left & the next thing you know...Taylor's knocked the fwock out!
Burns would have coaxed Taylor into a better mentality...but I'm not so sure that a sound frame of mind is an easy thing to master after youv'e had your brain knocked into the top of your skull.
I honestly think that Taylor will fair better this time...but I still believe that Pavlik can beat him again. If Taylor boxes smart he could wrangle a decision...but I don't see him stopping Pavlik.
I'd actually like to see a draw & then Pavlik fight someone else & then have a third bout end in Kelly's favor.
Trainers can make the difference, but it's going to be hard to get right back in with the same and only guy that has brutally knocked you out. Jermaine may just come out in the 1st couple of rounds and try for the k.o. he mismanaged in the 1st fight. If he does that, unsuccessfully, he'll spend himself and then we know what'll happen then. The last fight JT was ahead on the cards and probably would have gotten a gift decision, just like some thought he did in several previous fights. Seeing as how he's not the HBO poster boy anymore, I wonder if he can pull out gift decisions anymore{I personally didn't have JT winning before the k.o.}. He'll have to fight alot smarter this time, but knowing Pavlik can hurt him at anytime has got to be something he'll worry about. Pavlik will make adjustments also, if he's smart, so it should be a good one if Taylor comes in right. I hope that if JT wins they have a 3rd also, and wonder if Pavlik's camp can put a rematch clause in the contract this time ??? But I would rather see Pavlik break Taylor again and go onto other guys, and maybe they'll meet again at SM.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I'll pick Taylor by Late KO :-\
If Taylor gets a KO, it will have to be during the first half of the fight. He seems to have severe stamina issues and not just in the Pavlik fight.
You can check all his previous 4 fights and he said the same thing in the post fight interview. "I used up too much energy early and got tired later in the fight"
If he does not get his stamina issues corrected, he will not be able to take Pavlik's relentless onslaught for a full 12 rounds.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Trainers can make the difference, but it's going to be hard to get right back in with the same and only guy that has brutally knocked you out. Jermaine may just come out in the 1st couple of rounds and try for the k.o. he mismanaged in the 1st fight. If he does that, unsuccessfully, he'll spend himself and then we know what'll happen then.
:coolclick: on the entire post.
Here's the only thing...for some reason I have never bought into these new addition/superstar trainers that much...but when you have a fighter that's been with a trainer since they were a kid or for 10 or more years...if it aint broke don't try to fix it...because you usually FUDGE it!
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The last fight JT was ahead on the cards and probably would have gotten a gift decision, just like some thought he did in several previous fights.
Again...agree. Jermain was ahead on all the cards & would have gotten the nod, IWO. The thing is...you wonder how much more of that S*** HBO wants to take.
I say that they are thrilled to have Pavlik & will want to keep him now. They sold a lot of tickets & collected a shitload of viewers off of him & they will probably try to hold on to him.
I'd actually love to see him outbox Taylor.
He was coming on great in the 5th round & up. He was outlanding Taylor in the jab department & any time that jab landed...it hit like a power punch.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Seeing as how he's not the HBO poster boy anymore, I wonder if he can pull out gift decisions anymore{I personally didn't have JT winning before the k.o.}. He'll have to fight alot smarter this time, but knowing Pavlik can hurt him at anytime has got to be something he'll worry about.
Very well stated.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pavlik will make adjustments also, if he's smart, so it should be a good one if Taylor comes in right. I hope that if JT wins they have a 3rd also, and wonder if Pavlik's camp can put a rematch clause in the contract this time ??? But I would rather see Pavlik break Taylor again and go onto other guys, and maybe they'll meet again at SM.
Agreed...but honestly...Pavlik doesn't need to do much more than to up his jab output. That jab totally took Taylor out of the game & when he doubled it up & then followed with the right...Taylor was done.
I WANT PAVLIK TO STAY @ 160!
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The silliest part is that its at 166. Will Kelly come back to 160 assuming he beats him, will it hurt him physically messing around with his weight like that. Probably not but its still silly that its at 166, even though I think the added weight might help Kelly more than Jermain. Even though I'm impressed that Taylor wants an immediate chance at him it should be at 160 for the title.
Anyway I think Pavlik wins again. I'm not sure what Taylor will do differently, will he be real cautious and try to hold Pavlik off for 12, I don't think his stamina's good enough for that. He could just try to go all out early trying to get a KO, he can hurt Kelly, it wasn't all Kelly being silly and putting his chin out.
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The silliest part is that its at 166. Will Kelly come back to 160 assuming he beats him, will it hurt him physically messing around with his weight like that. Probably not but its still silly that its at 166, even though I think the added weight might help Kelly more than Jermain. Even though I'm impressed that Taylor wants an immediate chance at him it should be at 160 for the title.
Anyway I think Pavlik wins again. I'm not sure what Taylor will do differently, will he be real cautious and try to hold Pavlik off for 12, I don't think his stamina's good enough for that. He could just try to go all out early trying to get a KO, he can hurt Kelly, it wasn't all Kelly being silly and putting his chin out.
Thanks Wacko, and CC back. And you're absolutely right Ouma, it wasn't all Kelly being a goof-off, Taylor had smacked him real well several times, but only when Kelly stuck his head out to do whatever it was he was going to do did JT hurt him good. But still, faces or not, JT may have done the same damage, so this should put Kelly in a fix it or face it frame of mind knowing that JT can damage him. I think Kelly believed since he took some great shot from Miranda that he could just walk right through Taylor's. I personally forgot how hard JT could punch, and I'll bet Kelly did to; so if anything changes about Kelly in a rematch, it will be his respect for JT's power. I kind of think JT might come out balls to the wall in the 1sr rounds also, but he better get Kelly out of there this time or he's f#cked, period!! I don't know how much a new trainer will help JT as I think most of his problems can be corrected internally. FOTY candidate already. 2008 will ROCK!!!
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Pavlik wins this fight regardless of the weight for me. He'll KO JT earlier this time. That was the best we have seen from JT and he was KTFO. What can he improve? His stamina? Still won't match Kelly's. The only problem for Pavlik is whether he goes back to 160 after the fight. There are some decent fights out there but I don't think he will. If he beats JT again,he could fight the winner of Kessler v JC which would be an uber mega fight imo!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Pavlik wins this fight regardless of the weight for me. He'll KO JT earlier this time. That was the best we have seen from JT and he was KTFO. What can he improve? His stamina? Still won't match Kelly's. The only problem for Pavlik is whether he goes back to 160 after the fight. There are some decent fights out there but I don't think he will. If he beats JT again,he could fight the winner of Kessler v JC which would be an uber mega fight imo!
I'd just as soon see Pavlik stay at 160 for a little while. I mean, the guy just got the damn belt a month ago, and everyone is talking about him moving up. I may be in the minority here, but I'd still love to see an Alan Greene/Pavlik fight. I know he got bested by Miranda, but it was obvious he wasn't on station that night with all the medical problems. I still say he can give Pavlik bad fits, but regardless I'd love to see that fight. If Kelly moves up I don't want it to be for Joe or Mikkel, not at 1st, but a definate fight with Andrade. What a war for as long as it lasted. I want to see someone who can k.o. Librado{kind of}.
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Pavlik wins this fight regardless of the weight for me. He'll KO JT earlier this time. That was the best we have seen from JT and he was KTFO. What can he improve? His stamina? Still won't match Kelly's. The only problem for Pavlik is whether he goes back to 160 after the fight. There are some decent fights out there but I don't think he will. If he beats JT again,he could fight the winner of Kessler v JC which would be an uber mega fight imo!
I'd just as soon see Pavlik stay at 160 for a little while. I mean, the guy just got the damn belt a month ago, and everyone is talking about him moving up. I may be in the minority here, but I'd still love to see an Alan Greene/Pavlik fight. I know he got bested by Miranda, but it was obvious he wasn't on station that night with all the medical problems. I still say he can give Pavlik bad fits, but regardless I'd love to see that fight. If Kelly moves up I don't want it to be for Joe or Mikkel, not at 1st, but a definate fight with Andrade. What a war for as long as it lasted. I want to see someone who can k.o. Librado{kind of}.
WTF?! Why do you want to see Librado get KTFO?! I agree Kelly has only just got the belt but look at it this way,168 is easier to make and there are more names there to fight than at 160 imo. And sorry but I have no interest in seeing Allan Green fight Pavlik lol. I do agree that he should take a warm up at 168 before going into a mega fight.
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Pavlik wins this fight regardless of the weight for me. He'll KO JT earlier this time. That was the best we have seen from JT and he was KTFO. What can he improve? His stamina? Still won't match Kelly's. The only problem for Pavlik is whether he goes back to 160 after the fight. There are some decent fights out there but I don't think he will. If he beats JT again,he could fight the winner of Kessler v JC which would be an uber mega fight imo!
I'd just as soon see Pavlik stay at 160 for a little while. I mean, the guy just got the damn belt a month ago, and everyone is talking about him moving up. I may be in the minority here, but I'd still love to see an Alan Greene/Pavlik fight. I know he got bested by Miranda, but it was obvious he wasn't on station that night with all the medical problems. I still say he can give Pavlik bad fits, but regardless I'd love to see that fight. If Kelly moves up I don't want it to be for Joe or Mikkel, not at 1st, but a definate fight with Andrade. What a war for as long as it lasted. I want to see someone who can k.o. Librado{kind of}.
WTF?! Why do you want to see Librado get KTFO?! I agree Kelly has only just got the belt but look at it this way,168 is easier to make and there are more names there to fight than at 160 imo. And sorry but I have no interest in seeing Allan Green fight Pavlik lol. I do agree that he should take a warm up at 168 before going into a mega fight.
Lol, I really DON'T want to see Andrade get knocked out so much as I'd like to see the guy who can do it... Does that make sense bro'??? I love Librado, and whoever fights that dude better pack a lunch ;D And yeah, the bigger names for Kelly are at 168, and he will at least look better at that weight. He looks like a homeless skinhead that loves to indulge in meth marathons ;D
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Dan Rafael of ESPN is reporting this too.
I think it's a bad move for Taylor. He needs to go back to the drawing board and re-establish himself. Guys who get knocked out in the first fight usually get KO'd in the immediate rematch too.
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Taylor has the power to KO Pavlik and he has the skill/speed to out box him. But does he have the discipline (not going all out too soon, fighting smart using his better skills and speed) and stamina to win? That is the big question. I think it will be a great fight. But Jermain really needs to relax in the ring.
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if taylor fights smarter like improving his defence and to stop backing up into the ropes and corners then he could beat pavlik but i don't think he will. i think pavlik ko's him again but later than round 7.
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Taylor can hurt Pavlik, and has the tools to beat him, but after suffering a KO, and having training, and trainer issues, I'm not so sure jumping right back into a rematch is his best option. But, we'll see. I picked Taylor to win the first fight, but I have to say I am picking my fellow Ohio boy this time. Taylor should make adjustments, but I see him trying to be more defensive, and he will eventually get walked down.
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if you go to http://jermaintaylor.com and scroll down, you will find this tidbit:
"It is likely that when the rematch takes place it will again be a 160-pound title fight, and not at a 166-pound catchweight as originally written in the contract.
When the contract was signed, Taylor believed he would no longer be fighting at middleweight if a rematch took place. However, because he had such little problem making 160 pounds this time around, it appears he might be able to stay in the middleweight division, after all."
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Originally Posted by LEGION
I may be in the minority here, but I'd still love to see an Alan Greene/Pavlik fight. I know he got bested by Miranda, but it was obvious he wasn't on station that night with all the medical problems. I still say he can give Pavlik bad fits, but regardless I'd love to see that fight.
Allen Greene is a SM, he just moved down for the Miranda fight.
As for Pavlik moving up, I bet he'd stay if it wasn't for the rematch clause.
I found the whole 166 thing puzzling before and it still puzzles me. Is JT really having that much trouble making 160? Plus, does he really have no interest in the belts? I mean win or lose, if the fight takes place at 166, Pavlik keeps the belts, right? Edit: Just saw your post Deanrw. Thanks that makes more sense, and I wondered if that was possible.
I've always thought that Emanuel Stewart was an ATG trainer, but I think it's apparent that he mismanaged the psychological aspects his charge this time.
I remember before Cintron fought Matthysse, Stewart seemed so honest, saying how it would be a tough fight for Kermit, but that he thought he could put it out with his more polished skills and preparation. I thought then that he wasn't doing the best job of building his fighter up, but the results speak for themselves. Maybe it helped Cintron keep his eyes open to avoid getting hit with anything stupid.
For the Taylor Pavlik fight he blew all that smoke that we all know about, hoping to build up JT, and break down Pavlik psychologically. However it was so transparent, that everyone knew Stewart was really worried, and I think it had the opposite of the intended effect on both fighters.
Then at the post-fight press conference, it was back to brutal honesty. I don't see how Taylor can have any trust in Manny now, and get the psychological boost he needs now more than ever in this rematch after a brutal KO loss.
I thought Taylor's best chances in the first fight would be to control Pavlik with his jab and use his hand speed and more polished skills. He was able to have some success with the later two, but Pavlik took full advantage of his reach and actually got the better of JT with his own jab.
To me, Taylor had the most success counter punching, and that may be what he has to rely on this time. The problem is it will be hard to win a decision against a fighter with the output of Pavlik, by relying on counters. If he goes for the bum rush KO, I just don't think it will happen, or he might be the one to get caught. If he counter punches effectively, uses some patience, and keeps the right distance if he hurts Pavlik, JT might have a chance at the KO.
I have to go with a mid-round KO for Pavlik on this one.
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I'm a lot happier to see Taylor/Pavlik 2 than Duddy/Pavlik.
John isn't ready, by a long shot.
Last Saturday night we saw him box a poor opponent of Kelly's height and he had an awkward if not unsuccesful 1st round.(he then succeded in obliterating Prince AAron in the 2nd)
Nonetheless, Duddy needs to learn a lot before even dreaming of Challenging the top dogs and a fight with another top level contender is extremely important in my view
Yeah I hate to say it but he didnt look stellar, he was gettin hit by Prince Arron's right too easy. He's gonna need to work on getting inside more effectively before facing Pavlik. I'd say about 2 or 3 more fights until he's on that level. Thats if he steps up oppositon in each fight.
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Good post Myk, CC. Yeah, I don't know how much blame to put on Manny. JT has to be difficult to get through to. It felt before the fight he was being superficial with JT in regards to the abilities of Pavlik and probably did more damage than good. They should have paid more attention to Pavlik's display against Miranda. I think Manny gave JT the wrong advice at times in the fight, but wonder if he did it because he could see JT was becoming lax and starting to go to the ropes more and was forgetting those "5000" jabs he said he would throw. Seemed maybe Manny was trying to motivate him to do something, instead of getting more complacent. Who knows??? Like I said, whoever the trainer is, I think most of JT's problems can only be managed internally by JT himself; the tenseness, forgetting his jab, getting put to the ropes too much, pride{which is a big one I think}. JT has everything, just not the right mindset, similar to Judah IMO.
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I have no idea how anyone can say Taylor does not have a very good shot at winning the rematch. He very nearly put Pavlik away in the second round. And it wasn't just the judges who had Taylor ahead going into the seventh; several ringside observers had him leading as well. I had it 3-3 with Taylor up a point due to the knockdown. The key for Taylor will be not to load up on his punches so much...that is why he runs out of stamina. When he boxed Kelly he was winning the fight. If he commits to that this go round, he could absolutely win. Anyone counting him out is just plain wrong.
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Good post Myk, CC. Yeah, I don't know how much blame to put on Manny. JT has to be difficult to get through to. It felt before the fight he was being superficial with JT in regards to the abilities of Pavlik and probably did more damage than good. They should have paid more attention to Pavlik's display against Miranda. I think Manny gave JT the wrong advice at times in the fight, but wonder if he did it because he could see JT was becoming lax and starting to go to the ropes more and was forgetting those "5000" jabs he said he would throw. Seemed maybe Manny was trying to motivate him to do something, instead of getting more complacent. Who knows??? Like I said, whoever the trainer is, I think most of JT's problems can only be managed internally by JT himself; the tenseness, forgetting his jab, getting put to the ropes too much, pride{which is a big one I think}. JT has everything, just not the right mindset, similar to Judah IMO.
Thanks, back at ya!
Yeah, I suppose ultimately it's the fighter in the ring. Still...
As far as the jabs go, I really think Pavlik deserves credit for taking that away from JT. Still JT was boxing successfully with the counter punching.
LeftHook, I would feel much better about Taylors chances if he had a little more time and at least a fight in between. I still think he can win though, if as you say he doesn't try to force things and boxes effectively, and as LEGION says relaxes more. I just think he is the one with the bigger mountain to climb.
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Judging from their first fight, Jermain can "easily" win if he has the stamina to box for 12 whole rounds. Too bad he doesn't :-X
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It's the smart move for Taylor. A fight with Kessler or Calzaghe is not as big as before cuz of his recent loss. In order to change that he needs a big win. Avenging his loss would be key to him getting big fights. Plus he knows Pavlik is a very winnable fight for him. He knows he can hurt Pavlik.
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Yeah but Kelly knows he can take him down plus that was Taylor at his best imo!!
How can Taylor reajust his style...? He can't can he,i mean what can he do differently to keep Pavlick away? ??? ???
Pavlick will be the one to reajust and hammer him to the floor even quicker 8)
NO WAY Taylor can beat him and he knows it,i think Pavlick will be the one forcing the pace from the off in Feb and even expect a win within 3 to 4 rounds.
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Taylor looked at his best in the last fight. It was a superb fight and I'd love to see the rematch. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to see Taylor win either. Pavlik is special, but Taylor knows he can hurt him. If he picks his punches and keeps his hands up, he could outbox Kelly. I had Taylor winning by 3 points (2 rounds & a knockdown) when he was KO'ed. I enjoyed the fight, and I'd be happy to see a return, although I'm slightly disappointed because I wanted to see Pavlik-Duddy. Hopefully that'll happen somewhere down the line.
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I have no idea how anyone can say Taylor does not have a very good shot at winning the rematch. He very nearly put Pavlik away in the second round. And it wasn't just the judges who had Taylor ahead going into the seventh; several ringside observers had him leading as well. I had it 3-3 with Taylor up a point due to the knockdown. The key for Taylor will be not to load up on his punches so much...that is why he runs out of stamina. When he boxed Kelly he was winning the fight. If he commits to that this go round, he could absolutely win. Anyone counting him out is just plain wrong.
That and he's the most nervous fighter in boxing probably, and I don't see how that's gonna change. He's always gonna have stamina problems and just as important versus a guy like Pavlik, he's got serious defensive problems, Pavlik really didn't have much of a problem at all landing his jab which really surprised me and the right hands just kept on adding up.
And even if some people and the judges had Taylor up its pretty clear, at least IMO that Pavlik was coming on and starting to take over the fight. I'm not saying Taylor has no chance, he can hurt Kelly, some of that was Kelly's own fault but not all of it. But I do have a hard time seeing him winning a decision cause of his defense and stamina going along with Pavlik's workrate.
Wait a second, did I just Taylor probably couldn't win a decision. ??? ;D Taylor could probably pull a Morrade Hakkar and he'd still get the decision.
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There is a story about the rematch on espn where they also mention a match between paul williams and kermit cintron... HBO already has two major fights in the works for the month, a Feb. 2 welterweight unification match between Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron and a probable Feb. 23 heavyweight title defense by Wladimir Klitschko...the rest at espn.com
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There is a story about the rematch on espn where they also mention a match between paul williams and kermit cintron... HBO already has two major fights in the works for the month, a Feb. 2 welterweight unification match between Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron and a probable Feb. 23 heavyweight title defense by Wladimir Klitschko...the rest at espn.com
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There is a story about the rematch on espn where they also mention a match between paul williams and kermit cintron... HBO already has two major fights in the works for the month, a Feb. 2 welterweight unification match between Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron and a probable Feb. 23 heavyweight title defense by Wladimir Klitschko...the rest at espn.com
:coolclick: Can you paste a link for us?
No prob give me a sec..
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VINDICATOR SPORTS STAFF
YOUNGSTOWN — Move over John Duddy, it looks like Jermain Taylor wants another shot at Youngstown's Kelly Pavlik.
Taylor, who lost his middleweight title to Pavlik last month, told Top Rank Boxing on Monday he plans to exercise his rematch clause with Pavlik, setting up a possible February non-title fight between the two at the catch weight of 166.
"He informed Top Rank," said Pavlik's manager, Cameron Dunkin. "There's nothing done yet, though. They could change their mind tomorrow and we'd be back right where we are."
Pavlik (32-0, 29 KOs) had been tentatively scheduled to fight Duddy on Jan. 26 at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, the same venue that held the first Pavlik-Taylor fight.
But Taylor's decision changes things. Taylor (27-1, 17 KOs) had secured an rematch clause in the contract before the first fight and repeatedly said he planned to use it.
Dunkin said a Taylor fight would probably take place in February.
By triggering the clause, he's guaranteed to be Pavlik's first opponent. He had until Oct. 29 to activate the clause.
Taylor lost his WBO and WBC titles to Pavlik when he was knocked out in the seventh round. One big question surrounding Taylor will likely be his choice of trainer. He reportedly is considering dumping legendary trainer Emanuel Steward, who has trained him the last four fights. Taylor has not looked impressive under Steward and may seek a change.
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Pavlik wins inside five, Jermaine will be gun shy and Pavlik will tuck his chin and fire away with the one- two.
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Re: Looks like Pavlik Taylor rematch is going to happen.
What are the chances of Pavlik-Hopkins happening ? His camp should try to make that fight.
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Re: Looks like Pavlik Taylor rematch is going to happen.
Pavlik and Hopkins are virtually from different eras i really don't want to see it. In fact i don't want to see Hopkins at all anymore. Enough is enough
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Pavlik and Hopkins are virtually from different eras i really don't want to see it. In fact i don't want to see Hopkins at all anymore. Enough is enough
I think Hopkins would see this as a good challenge. As in "Kelly Pavlik is one of the most exciting and explosive fighters of recent times, how can I make a fight with him boring?"
Knowing Bernard, he'll do his darnest to find a way.