Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds : Calzaghe vs Kessler

We’re back again for another installment of the forum staple…you guessed it…it’s time for yet another installment of Wacko’s Drunken Round by Round.

This one will go down as a tuff night for Wacko as I’ll be covering a bout with two of my most favorite fighters, two undefeated champions, two fighters that I don’t want to lose…Saturday November the 3rd, 2007 we will all have the pleasure of sitting in on what, quite possibly could be, one of the greatest unification bouts that the super middleweight division has ever beheld.

Whether you like him or loathe him…you have to respect him…Joe Calzaghe is currently the longest reigning champion of our sport. As far as ambassadors go…you couldn’t ask for a better chap than Joe Calzaghe…but constantly the media & boxing public drag him through the mud more than a mule does a plow.

The undefeated super middleweight champ from Newbridge, Wales is about to face, arguably, the toughest test of his career as he meets the other belt holder of his division….the only legit threat at 168lbs for Joe Calzaghe reign…the Viking Warrior.

Most of Calzaghe’s criticism comes from a lack of knowledge within the boxing circles. It’s easier to go with the general consensus (no matter how ridiculous as it may be…& it is!) that Joe is a protected feather fisted fighter with an overrated record.

Total BULLSHIT with a capital BULLSHIT…but everyone’s entitled to an opinion…& I have stood by mine for years…just as I have & will continue to stand by one of my favorite champions…or two of my favorite champions…

Which brings me to the other Super Middleweight titlist & competition Mikkel Kessler (39-0, 29 KOs) from Copenhagen, Denmark.

For years Kessler has been in the shadow of the great Jeff Lacy, whom after Calzaghe utterly & systematically destroyed over 12 humiliating rounds was deemed…“not so great” by boxing fans, writers, & fickle viewers world wide. Since the Lacy dispatch Kessler became the number 2 man & the number one contender for a shot at Calzaghe but money & promotional disputes would scuttle the one fight that every fight fan has been clamoring for.

After a year of negotiations & more finger pointing than a whore entering a church…here we are…November the 3rd, 2007 waiting for a 12 round unification bout that has pretty much everyone biting their nails & asking questions.

Is Calzaghe the real deal?
Is Kessler the real deal?

Easy answer there…YES to both.

Will everyone shit can one after he falls to the other?

Another easy answer…YES…many will.

Normally…I give a rundown of who I think will win, why, & how…but honestly…we’ve all been arguing over that little factor for months…and in all regards…I’m kind of burnt out spouting off all the reason why one will lose & one will not & how so many people feel that the top two world champions who, I might add, hold the bulk of the belts between them are two of the most overrated boxers on the face of this green earth.

Again…utter & total BULLSHIT with a capital BULLSHIT…but again…everyone’s entitled to an opinion.!!!

"The Pride of Wales" is coming off a series of dominating performances & one sided wins…actually a career loaded with them. Recently, on HBO’s World Championship Boxing, he stopped “the Contender’s” Peter Manfredo Jr. in the third round of their April 2007 fight. The fight, that left many fans wanting more, broke the indoor European boxing record of 35,000+ fans. This time the Millennium Stadium is set to hold 60,000 or more boxing fan as Joe will take on, arguably, his toughest test to date. Calzaghe will be making his 21st consecutive title defense against the one man that many are banking on either stopping Joe or bringing an end to his questionable reign.

Enter the Viking Warrior : Mikkel Kessler. Like Calzaghe, Kessler is the top rated man of 168lbs, is also undefeated, & holds two titles at Super Middleweight. Most fan’s of the Danish warrior argue that Kessler has taken on the more reputable opposition of the weight. He won his WBA super middleweight title in 2004 by destroying Manny Siaca bit by bit over the course of 8 brutal rounds. He would then successfully defend his title against worthy opposition such as Anthony Mundine, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, & Librado Andrade. Along the way Beyer was a stop on the trail of success & the WBC title was acquired in 3 rounds by another devastating knockout. Kessler has successfully defended his WBA title four times & his WBC three times.

Against Calzaghe…Kessler will put everything on the line.

Oddly enough, although Joe is only risking one strap…he has more to lose than Mikkel does at this late stage of his career. Joe has his 21st consecutive title defenses, 43 bouts undefeated, & his image on the world stage to consider. If the pressure is on anyone…in Wakco’s humble opinion…it’s on Joe.

Can Kessler do the unthinkable?

Maybe…maybe not. One thing is for sure…neither man has faced anything like the other & that my fellow boxing enthusiasts will provide us with plenty of drama & quite possibly another stellar performance from the Undisputed Super Middleweight Champion of the world.

That being said…it could also be the breakout performance & an upset in the making from a future boxing star named Mikkel Kessler.

As far as who I pick on this one...I just can't make a pick. I truly believe that Calzaghe will win...but it's hard for me to want Kessler to lose.

Once again fellow forum goers I hope you’ll join me for another bout comin’ atcha straight from HBO & the fingers of the drunken one!

Toss aside all your troubles, break out the chips & salsa, toss aside that remote, crack open the caps, & pour up your beverage of choice as we settle in for some couch coverage…it’s time for yet another installment of Wacko’s Drunken Round by Round.

As always…I say to thee…cheers…& koneecheewah bitches.

CC Wack-maninov, you are the true composer of the Drunken Round-by-round, and I'm sure this one will be tuneful for all to hear.

I've cast the first vote towards a Calzaghe UD, although I don't rule out Calzaghe getting a stoppage down the stretch, as Kessler tires from an endless tirade of punches. To be honest, I don't rule out much of anything. You're right in saying that neither has faced opposition like the other before, but I truly believe that if Kessler is to win this fight he is going to have to demonstrate something which he hasn't shown us so far in his career, and that is pure naked speed. Joe is going to look to come in and out buzzing about him like a wasp, and we'll see whether Kessler can swat him.

Unfortunately I won't be here on the night of the fight, I'm going to be down at the stadium with 50,000 or 60,000 others eager to see one of the biggest fights of the decade, in what is without doubt the best year in boxing for a generation.

Roll on Nov 3, and roll on the Calzaghe bandwagon.

CC#3186 on me Wacks....

Is it Nov. already ???
Shit! I can't believe it man it's finally..... The fight that I've been anticipating the most in a long time.

I can honestly say I've been waiting for this one more eagerly then when I waited for ODLH vs. Tito or ODLH vs. SSM.

This ones gonna be for the ages regardless of the outcome and who the winner is bof these guys deserve mad respect.
I voted Kess UD. I think Joes gonna start off wining the early rounds pretty comfortably. Quite possibly take 2 maybe 3 in a row but I think as they get to rounds 6, 7, 8 and on Kess is gonna turn it out. I dislike that Kess fights flat footed and therefor needs to reset everytime and looses time and give his opponents time to throw. With that said I still think Kess is gifted enough to pull out the win by coming on strong in the later part of the fight.
If Kess can control himself and work at the same rate in which he did against Andrade he'll be just fine.

This is gonna be great. :)

CC Wacks, for the write up...

Im too busy to post much these days. Needless to say, I think Calzaghe gives us a quality showing.

Calzaghe UD

Rarely have two fighters had more riding on one fight. If either loses they will be seen as overrated by their detractors, the winner will be haled as probably a top 5 p4p fighter and one of the greatest 168 fighters ever. The winner will go onto massive superfights, whilst the loser will have to rebuild.

My pick is a close fight, and if its close Calzaghe will win any kind of narrow points decision in his hometown.

Once again great write up i am going for Joe UD ;D

I'm sticking with Joe Calzaghe by UD.


I know that Joe has a tendency to fight down to the level of his competition at times, but in the big fights, he seems to put on his best performances.

It's a shame that he's been fighting so long (and brilliantly) but didn't get too much exposure in the U.S. until after the Lacy fight, because IMO there isn't too many guys that are on his level.

I like Kessler too, but when Joe is in top form, he looks almost unbeatable.

You've got the analysis bang on Wack. I'm going for a Calzaghe stoppage late on.

Kessler by KO in round 9 or Calzaghe will stay i his corner,between 9 and 10,bleeding from to many cuts

I am so happy that this fight is finally here. I've been waiting for it for so long, it still seems a bit surreal to think it is actually only 10 days away.

Thanks for the analysis, it's pretty much how I see it (although I have to say I'm rooting for Joe all the way. I like Kessler but I've watched all of Joe's fights and I feel he has much more to lose)

I've picked Joe by decision. I think the hometown advantage just might come in to play and all those people booing Kessler might have some slight mental effect on the Dane.

Even if it doesn't I see Joe outworking Mikkel. Whenever Joe gets hit with a shot that hurts him he'll get angry and punch back in bunches. Add to that the fact that he'll be throwing them in bunches anyway and I just cant see the judges favouring Mikkels shots.

I don't think either man will KO the other, i think it'll end up a Calzaghe win by 2- 3 rounds.

At least I hope!

I actually feel kinda nervous about this fight. I think its all the hype!

Anyway I'd cc the other posters for good points but, being a part time poster, I'll have to do it when I hit that fabled 100 posts.

I think Kess ll nick it late on by KO i have a feeling that Calzaghe's hand are gonna go again like they have done in the past and he will go into his shell allowing Kess to come onto him. Its happened in the past but the quality of opposition hasn't been able to take advantage of it this maybe the end of the 21 defenses.

im going 4 Calzaghe by late stoppage(rd 11 or 12), I think Kessler's an excellent fighter though
and will cause Joe a few problems along the way. will be an awsome fight, can't wait!!

This for me is the best matchup of the year and the one us purists really wanted.
Joe's gonna have to fight his ass off but he will come out on top because he's the far better fighter with way more tools in the box plus he's twice as fast as Kessler and fights so much better on the inside.
Joe by a 3 round margin on points at the most.
Just don't see any way Kessler can beat him (unless of course Joe's hand breaks early).
Gonna be some fight this. ;)

That's probably the best pre-fight breakdown I've read - cc all the way. I get tired of hearing all the "overrated" crap, anyway-some people take it too far. Even though we all get in on a little beatdown of a fighter once in a while, they still get in the ring and give us something to talk about.

I really like Kessler, he's an outstanding boxer and seems like a good person, but I quit betting against Joe a while back. Calzaghe by UD.

That said, I wish both men the best - I think it'll be one hell of a fight.

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Originally Posted by Smashup

This for me is the best matchup of the year and the one us purists really wanted.
Joe's gonna have to fight his a** off but he will come out on top because he's the far better fighter with way more tools in the box plus he's twice as fast as Kessler and fights so much better on the inside.
Joe by a 3 round margin on points at the most.
Just don't see any way Kessler can beat him (unless of course Joe's hand breaks early).
Gonna be some fight this. ;)

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I know it could be a big factor....but could we please not mention Joe's hands any more...don't want to jinx them so close to the fight. ;)

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

CC Wack-maninov, you are the true composer of the Drunken Round-by-round, and I'm sure this one will be tuneful for all to hear.

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:coolclick: returned & thanks for the love, babe.

I plan on inviting over a few choice bro's & hooking this one up "pah-tey" style!

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

I've cast the first vote towards a Calzaghe UD, although I don't rule out Calzaghe getting a stoppage down the stretch, as Kessler tires from an endless tirade of punches. To be honest, I don't rule out much of anything. You're right in saying that neither has faced opposition like the other before, but I truly believe that if Kessler is to win this fight he is going to have to demonstrate something which he hasn't shown us so far in his career, and that is pure naked speed. Joe is going to look to come in and out buzzing about him like a wasp, and we'll see whether Kessler can swat him.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Unfortunately I won't be here on the night of the fight, I'm going to be down at the stadium with 50,000 or 60,000 others eager to see one of the biggest fights of the decade, in what is without doubt the best year in boxing for a generation.

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Lucky bastige! Believe it or not though...I do not envy you. That's gonna be a RUFF crowd!

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Roll on Nov 3, and roll on the Calzaghe bandwagon.

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Can't wait meself!!!

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

CC#3186 on me Wacks....

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:coolclick: returned me bwoyo!

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S***! I can't believe it man it's finally..... The fight that I've been anticipating the most in a long time.

I can honestly say I've been waiting for this one more eagerly then when I waited for ODLH vs. Tito or ODLH vs. SSM.

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I've been waiting for this one eagerly myself. Should be a goody!

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

This ones gonna be for the ages regardless of the outcome and who the winner is bof these guys deserve mad respect.

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Absolutely 100% agree with that statement.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I voted Kess UD. I think Joes gonna start off wining the early rounds pretty comfortably. Quite possibly take 2 maybe 3 in a row but I think as they get to rounds 6, 7, 8 and on Kess is gonna turn it out. I dislike that Kess fights flat footed and therefor needs to reset everytime and looses time and give his opponents time to throw. With that said I still think Kess is gifted enough to pull out the win by coming on strong in the later part of the fight.

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Wow. That's a tall order & one hell of a prediction. That would shock me if I saw that materialize.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

If Kess can control himself and work at the same rate in which he did against Andrade he'll be just fine.

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I seriously doubt that he will be able to get off like that against Joe...& I'd be shocked shitless to see that happen.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

This is gonna be great. :)

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Again...100% agreed.

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Originally Posted by miles

CC Wacks, for the write up...

Im too busy to post much these days. Needless to say, I think Calzaghe gives us a quality showing.

Calzaghe UD

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:coolclick: right back, Mista Miles.

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Originally Posted by eagle

Rarely have two fighters had more riding on one fight. If either loses they will be seen as overrated by their detractors, the winner will be haled as probably a top 5 p4p fighter and one of the greatest 168 fighters ever. The winner will go onto massive superfights, whilst the loser will have to rebuild.

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:coolclick: Very well said. It sucks...but this one's going to be all or nothing. If Kessler could assert himself & not get discouraged...we could be looking at a new champion @ 168lbs...but that's highly unlikely.

I say that Joe's output befuddles him down the stretch.

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Originally Posted by chip

Once again great write up i am going for Joe UD ;D

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:coolclick: Thanks babe. Agreed...Joe by UD.

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I'm sticking with Joe Calzaghe by UD.

I know that Joe has a tendency to fight down to the level of his competition at times, but in the big fights, he seems to put on his best performances.

It's a shame that he's been fighting so long (and brilliantly) but didn't get too much exposure in the U.S. until after the Lacy fight, because IMO there isn't too many guys that are on his level.

I like Kessler too, but when Joe is in top form, he looks almost unbeatable.

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:coolclick: Good post & well put. I agree that Calzaghe fights to the level of his opposition...but he still shines & I think that he can & will against Kessler.

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You've got the analysis bang on Wack. I'm going for a Calzaghe stoppage late on.

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Originally Posted by jangeorg

Kessler by KO in round 9 or Calzaghe will stay i his corner,between 9 and 10,bleeding from to many cuts

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Two for stoppages on the opposite side of the ring.

I still say it goes 12 long hard rounds...but :coolclick: s to ya's both. Cross your fingers for your man! ;D

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I am so happy that this fight is finally here. I've been waiting for it for so long, it still seems a bit surreal to think it is actually only 10 days away.

I've picked Joe by decision. I think the hometown advantage just might come in to play and all those people booing Kessler might have some slight mental effect on the Dane.

Even if it doesn't I see Joe outworking Mikkel. Whenever Joe gets hit with a shot that hurts him he'll get angry and punch back in bunches. Add to that the fact that he'll be throwing them in bunches anyway and I just cant see the judges favouring Mikkels shots.

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:coolclick: Well said. I think Joe pulls out the stops over 12 tuff rounds.

Wouldn't it be a shocker if he made Kessler look as limited as he did Lacy? Kessler is a more well rounded fighter...but Joe's got all the angles & output.

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I think Kess ll nick it late on by KO i have a feeling that Calzaghe's hand are gonna go again like they have done in the past and he will go into his shell allowing Kess to come onto him. Its happened in the past but the quality of opposition hasn't been able to take advantage of it this maybe the end of the 21 defenses.

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:coolclick: I just don't know about the knockout. I don't really see either man being able to stop the other...everyone also seems to be fretting Joe's hands. Hmmmmmmm...we shall see.

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im going 4 Calzaghe by late stoppage(rd 11 or 12), I think Kessler's an excellent fighter though and will cause Joe a few problems along the way. will be an awsome fight, can't wait!!

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:coolclick: for your thoughts. While I don't think that there will be a stoppage in this bout...I do agree that Kessler's an amazing fighter and he will cause Joe problems.

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Originally Posted by Smashup

This for me is the best matchup of the year and the one us purists really wanted.

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:coolclick: Agreed.

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Joe's gonna have to fight his a** off but he will come out on top because he's the far better fighter with way more tools in the box plus he's twice as fast as Kessler and fights so much better on the inside.

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I agree here too. Joe is going to have to put in a serious night's work...but I think that he's prepped for it.

If he let's Kess establish his jab...he's fucked! Period.

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Joe by a 3 round margin on points at the most.
Just don't see any way Kessler can beat him (unless of course Joe's hand breaks early).
Gonna be some fight this. ;)

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Not sure I see it as that big of a swing.

Honestly, I think that Kess has the capabilities to make it a ruff night on Joe...that's what makes this one so exciting. Kess could make Joe old overnight in this fight...& I agree...provided his hands hold up...it should be a smoker!

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Even though we all get in on a little beatdown of a fighter once in a while, they still get in the ring and give us something to talk about.

I really like Kessler, he's an outstanding boxer and seems like a good person, but I quit betting against Joe a while back. Calzaghe by UD.

That said, I wish both men the best - I think it'll be one hell of a fight.

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:coolclick: Totally agree. Very well stated. I feel the same way about Kessler & Joe that you do...I never bet against Calzaghe!

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Originally Posted by Smashup

This for me is the best matchup of the year and the one us purists really wanted.
Joe's gonna have to fight his a** off but he will come out on top because he's the far better fighter with way more tools in the box plus he's twice as fast as Kessler and fights so much better on the inside.
Joe by a 3 round margin on points at the most.
Just don't see any way Kessler can beat him (unless of course Joe's hand breaks early).
Gonna be some fight this. ;)

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I know it could be a big factor....but could we please not mention Joe's hands any more...don't want to jinx them so close to the fight. ;)

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Indeed!!! For the love of Christmas let's all stop discussing that little factor! ;D

I had swept that pretty much from my mind of late.

I picked Calzaghe by decision. I think his awkwardness will get him the W

Glad this site is back up. Man I was going through withdrawals all day!hehe

I'm taking Cal by decision, fairly clear cut.

Kessler just seems a bit too stiff too me, not quite quick enough for Joe. If he could take the center of the ring, and start to adjust and time Joe with the jab and the right hand he could beat Joe. Sometimes guys like that with a good jab and right hand can time a faster fighter, especially when Joe's coming in. But he can't get backed up into the ropes and let Joe start firing off those endless slap combos. And no I'm not making fun of Joe by calling them slap combos, he doesn't always slap but he does when he starts firing off those non stop combinations when the other guy's against the ropes.

I just think the safer pick is Joe, just a bit better fighter.

Calzaghe is going take this by UD. He's too fast, too experienced, and on top of that the fight is in his hometown infront of tens of thousands of screaming fans. Kessler won't look completely outclassed by JC or anything, but I think he's going to be confused by Calzaghe akward, unorthodox style. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kessler do better than expected early on until JC figures out how to get inside and unleash a whirlwind of power-slapping.
As others have said, the real wildcards in this fight are Calzaghe's hands, if he breaks them early it could be a long night for him.

Even though I got a CC bet against Calzaghe and am pulling for Kess, I gotta go with UD for Calzaghe. If Kess doesn't get Joe out of there no way he wins a decision in Joe's hometown, unless it's just a total one sided for Kessler. Go Mikkel!!!

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Even though I got a CC bet against Calzaghe and am pulling for Kess, I gotta go with UD for Calzaghe. If Kess doesn't get Joe out of there no way he wins a decision in Joe's hometown, unless it's just a total one sided for Kessler. Go Mikkel!!!

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**I want Joe to win...but as I have stated before...if he were to lose...he couldn't lose to a better fellar.

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Even though I got a CC bet against Calzaghe and am pulling for Kess, I gotta go with UD for Calzaghe. If Kess doesn't get Joe out of there no way he wins a decision in Joe's hometown, unless it's just a total one sided for Kessler. Go Mikkel!!!

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**I want Joe to win...but as I have stated before...if he were to lose...he couldn't lose to a better fellar.

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Originally Posted by eagle

Rarely have two fighters had more riding on one fight. If either loses they will be seen as overrated by their detractors, the winner will be haled as probably a top 5 p4p fighter and one of the greatest 168 fighters ever. The winner will go onto massive superfights, whilst the loser will have to rebuild.
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Not necessarily ... some of the best fights are close hard-fought where even the loser gains new respect and acclaim. As long as it isn't clouded by bad judging and therefore in dispute by a great number of fans ... both could come out winners even though one actually loses.

That would be more likely with a win by Joe. If he loses, he loses more than Kessler does. So I guess I'm saying that if Joe doesn't do a Lacy on him, Kessler could still stand to gain from a wonderful loss.

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Rarely have two fighters had more riding on one fight. If either loses they will be seen as overrated by their detractors, the winner will be haled as probably a top 5 p4p fighter and one of the greatest 168 fighters ever. The winner will go onto massive superfights, whilst the loser will have to rebuild.
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Not necessarily ... some of the best fights are close hard-fought where even the loser gains new respect and acclaim. As long as it isn't clouded by bad judging and therefore in dispute by a great number of fans ... both could come out winners even though one actually loses.

That would be more likely with a win by Joe. If he loses, he loses more than Kessler does. So I guess I'm saying that if Joe doesn't do a Lacy on him, Kessler could still stand to gain from a wonderful loss.

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Fair point, i should have said if either loses badly. CC

I'd really be surprised if this fight isn't more competitive than the Lacy fight - Kessler's a strong, sound, patient fighter.
I'm really expecting a great fight. If it's a one-sided blowout, I'll probably be speechless.

For a minute, anyway ;D

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Joe's gonna have to fight his a** off but he will come out on top because he's the far better fighter with way more tools in the box plus he's twice as fast as Kessler and fights so much better on the inside.

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Kessler has alot more of an arsenal than people realise I think. Against Mundine he couldn't use the jab straight right combo he enjoys as much because of Mundines speed and reflexes. After losing round 3 he changed tactics and started forcing Mundine to mount a fight instead of just counter punching by very carefully measuring the distance of where he was stopping in front of him. Mundine isn't a natural offensive fighter (IMO) and as he was stepping in he was getting picked off with jabs, hooks and long range uppercuts. Kessler was varying when he was choosing to force the issue also. To Mundine he was quite unpredictable. Kesslers shot selection seemed quite good and instinctive. He cuts off the ring very well. He is faster in and out than the "Euro robot" tag he carries suggests and has good balance. It looked like he was hunting down Mundine non stop, but he made him fight and he payed for it. Green did the opposite and waged all out war on Mundine and was nullified by superior hand speed and skills. Kessler is no one dimensional jab-right cross fighter. If he can fight like a slugger and get away with it, he will. If he can't he will adjust. I used Mundine as an example as he is a fairly underrated, but tricky fighter with quick hands and brings strange angles. I definantly don't think Joe and Mundine are in the same class but there are some hints as to how the MK and JC fight might go. Joe is an offensive fighter but the tee off often begins with a counter or during an opponent covering up. I can't see MK standing in the zone to allow the big flurries to begin whether getting countered or by covering up

This is a easy one. Kessler my homie by stopping JC. I go for a TKO in round 9 ^-^

IMO JC is "over the hill".

I'm gonna go ahead and get this out of the way...

If Calzaghe wins.... Kessler was overrated.


If Kessler wins.... Calzaghe was overrated and/or passed his prime....


Sorry, had to do that. ;D

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I'm gonna go ahead and get this out of the way...

If Calzaghe wins.... Kessler was overrated.


If Kessler wins.... Calzaghe was overrated and/or passed his prime....


Sorry, had to do that. ;D

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If Kessler and/or JC is overrated...Who is left in the division?

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I'm gonna go ahead and get this out of the way...

If Calzaghe wins.... Kessler was overrated.


If Kessler wins.... Calzaghe was overrated and/or passed his prime....


Sorry, had to do that. ;D

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If Kessler and/or JC is overrated...Who is left in the division?

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That was just a preview of the inevitable.

Actually, I'm pretty excited about this fight. Can't pick a winner though so I'll just wait till the 3rd and enjoy the show.

Calzaghe by UD, I really want Kessler to win though I am ready for a changing of the guard at 168.

I can't shake the feeling that Kess will pull of this upset.

When Joe fought Lacy, it seemed like everyone outside of Wales (with a few exceptions) was picking Lacy to take him apart...then he schooled Lacy and everybody turned on Lacy and called him overrated. I think both sides were right in the aftermath. Joe is really that good, but Lacy was somewhat overrateed. I mean, it was a freakin shutout, as dominating a performance as I can remember at that level.

So now Joe C is getting lots of love and he deserves every bit of it. He'll have the edge in speed, skill, and hometown advantage. How can you pick against him? Just a hunch that Joe will show his age just enough, and that Kessler will present him with a combination of strength, skill, and power that he hasn't had to face, ever. Kessler is better than Lacy. Way, way better than Lacy, and Calzaghe is older, and I just have a feeling. Kessler's jab and straight right will be much harder avoid than Lacy's idiotic, plodding advance. Joe is going to have to deal with a bigger man, with longer reach, an one of the best jabs in the business.

I can see Joe winning a close, legit decision, and I can see Joe getting away with a hometown robbery, but I can also see Kess stopping him, and I that's my prediction. The guard is changing.

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Originally Posted by SeanE

I can't shake the feeling that Kess will pull of this upset.

When Joe fought Lacy, it seemed like everyone outside of Wales (with a few exceptions) was picking Lacy to take him apart...then he schooled Lacy and everybody turned on Lacy and called him overrated. I think both sides were right in the aftermath. Joe is really that good, but Lacy was somewhat overrateed. I mean, it was a freakin shutout, as dominating a performance as I can remember at that level.

So now Joe C is getting lots of love and he deserves every bit of it. He'll have the edge in speed, skill, and hometown advantage. How can you pick against him? Just a hunch that Joe will show his age just enough, and that Kessler will present him with a combination of strength, skill, and power that he hasn't had to face, ever. Kessler is better than Lacy. Way, way better than Lacy, and Calzaghe is older, and I just have a feeling. Kessler's jab and straight right will be much harder avoid than Lacy's idiotic, plodding advance. Joe is going to have to deal with a bigger man, with longer reach, an one of the best jabs in the business.

I can see Joe winning a close, legit decision, and I can see Joe getting away with a hometown robbery, but I can also see Kess stopping him, and I that's my prediction. The guard is changing.

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The only was Kessler wins this fight is if Joe gets old.

Kessler for me is more over rated than Jeff Lacy. I have watched eight of Kesslers fights over the last two weeks and he is nothing special whatsoever, his power is way over rated, i dont even think he hits that hard. He wont be able to handle Calzaghe's in fighting. He just doesnt have the skills. Easy UD for Calzaghe imo.

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Originally Posted by SeanE

I can't shake the feeling that Kess will pull of this upset.

When Joe fought Lacy, it seemed like everyone outside of Wales (with a few exceptions) was picking Lacy to take him apart...then he schooled Lacy and everybody turned on Lacy and called him overrated. I think both sides were right in the aftermath. Joe is really that good, but Lacy was somewhat overrateed. I mean, it was a freakin shutout, as dominating a performance as I can remember at that level.

So now Joe C is getting lots of love and he deserves every bit of it. He'll have the edge in speed, skill, and hometown advantage. How can you pick against him? Just a hunch that Joe will show his age just enough, and that Kessler will present him with a combination of strength, skill, and power that he hasn't had to face, ever. Kessler is better than Lacy. Way, way better than Lacy, and Calzaghe is older, and I just have a feeling. Kessler's jab and straight right will be much harder avoid than Lacy's idiotic, plodding advance. Joe is going to have to deal with a bigger man, with longer reach, an one of the best jabs in the business.

I can see Joe winning a close, legit decision, and I can see Joe getting away with a hometown robbery, but I can also see Kess stopping him, and I that's my prediction. The guard is changing.

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The only was Kessler wins this fight is if Joe gets old.

Kessler for me is more over rated than Jeff Lacy. I have watched eight of Kesslers fights over the last two weeks and he is nothing special whatsoever, his power is way over rated, i dont even think he hits that hard. He wont be able to handle Calzaghe's in fighting. He just doesnt have the skills. Easy UD for Calzaghe imo.

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You are right about what Joe needs to do...make it a game of infighting. Kess won't be able to deal with Joe's handspeed and skill on the inside, slappy puncher or not. But Kessler, because if his jab and straight punching, may be able to control distance. Distance is key to this fight. If Calzaghe consistantly get inside on Kessler, he will win. So maybe you can call Kess's power overrated, I'll disagree but I won't argue it, Kessler does know how to jab, throw a great cross, and create good distance, at least against lesser fighters. If he controls distance against Joe, he has a good chance.

Lacy is an infighter. He's short and looks for the hook, not the jab. He WANTED to get Calzaghe into in infight because he though he would be able to overpower him and eventually land the big punch. This played right into Joe's strengthts...his speed and skill at infighting took over and Lacy could never get off. Lacy walked right into the hornets nest. Kessler is not going to do that. He's going to at least TRY to say on the outside if he can keep Joe outside, he'll have the advantage i'm convinced.

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I'm gonna go ahead and get this out of the way...

If Calzaghe wins.... Kessler was overrated.


If Kessler wins.... Calzaghe was overrated and/or passed his prime....


Sorry, had to do that. ;D

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If Kessler and/or JC is overrated...Who is left in the division?

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That was just a preview of the inevitable.

Actually, I'm pretty excited about this fight. Can't pick a winner though so I'll just wait till the 3rd and enjoy the show.

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Actually, the fighters themselves aren't overrated. It's the importance that some boxing fans attribute to their opinions (myself included) that is overrated.

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Originally Posted by SeanE

I can't shake the feeling that Kess will pull of this upset.

When Joe fought Lacy, it seemed like everyone outside of Wales (with a few exceptions) was picking Lacy to take him apart...then he schooled Lacy and everybody turned on Lacy and called him overrated. I think both sides were right in the aftermath. Joe is really that good, but Lacy was somewhat overrateed. I mean, it was a freakin shutout, as dominating a performance as I can remember at that level.

So now Joe C is getting lots of love and he deserves every bit of it. He'll have the edge in speed, skill, and hometown advantage. How can you pick against him? Just a hunch that Joe will show his age just enough, and that Kessler will present him with a combination of strength, skill, and power that he hasn't had to face, ever. Kessler is better than Lacy. Way, way better than Lacy, and Calzaghe is older, and I just have a feeling. Kessler's jab and straight right will be much harder avoid than Lacy's idiotic, plodding advance. Joe is going to have to deal with a bigger man, with longer reach, an one of the best jabs in the business.

I can see Joe winning a close, legit decision, and I can see Joe getting away with a hometown robbery, but I can also see Kess stopping him, and I that's my prediction. The guard is changing.

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The only was Kessler wins this fight is if Joe gets old.

Kessler for me is more over rated than Jeff Lacy. I have watched eight of Kesslers fights over the last two weeks and he is nothing special whatsoever, his power is way over rated, i dont even think he hits that hard. He wont be able to handle Calzaghe's in fighting. He just doesnt have the skills. Easy UD for Calzaghe imo.

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The Calzaghe-nutshuggers has arrive ;D ;D

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by SeanE

I can't shake the feeling that Kess will pull of this upset.

When Joe fought Lacy, it seemed like everyone outside of Wales (with a few exceptions) was picking Lacy to take him apart...then he schooled Lacy and everybody turned on Lacy and called him overrated. I think both sides were right in the aftermath. Joe is really that good, but Lacy was somewhat overrateed. I mean, it was a freakin shutout, as dominating a performance as I can remember at that level.

So now Joe C is getting lots of love and he deserves every bit of it. He'll have the edge in speed, skill, and hometown advantage. How can you pick against him? Just a hunch that Joe will show his age just enough, and that Kessler will present him with a combination of strength, skill, and power that he hasn't had to face, ever. Kessler is better than Lacy. Way, way better than Lacy, and Calzaghe is older, and I just have a feeling. Kessler's jab and straight right will be much harder avoid than Lacy's idiotic, plodding advance. Joe is going to have to deal with a bigger man, with longer reach, an one of the best jabs in the business.

I can see Joe winning a close, legit decision, and I can see Joe getting away with a hometown robbery, but I can also see Kess stopping him, and I that's my prediction. The guard is changing.

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The only was Kessler wins this fight is if Joe gets old.

Kessler for me is more over rated than Jeff Lacy. I have watched eight of Kesslers fights over the last two weeks and he is nothing special whatsoever, his power is way over rated, i dont even think he hits that hard. He wont be able to handle Calzaghe's in fighting. He just doesnt have the skills. Easy UD for Calzaghe imo.

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The Calzaghe-nutshuggers has arrive ;D ;D

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Quote & tweak & you have what we American's refer to as a severe case of the pot callin' the kettle black!

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Originally Posted by jangeorg

The Kessler-sack-juggler has arrived! ;D ;D

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;) :-*

Lol...welcome on board jangeorg....i forgive you cause you're up really early this morning! What time is it in Denmark...5.20am?

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Lol...welcome on board jangeorg....i forgive you cause you're up really early this morning! What time is it in Denmark...5.20am?

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Yes,it is 5.20am and i am on my way to work

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by SeanE

I can't shake the feeling that Kess will pull of this upset.

When Joe fought Lacy, it seemed like everyone outside of Wales (with a few exceptions) was picking Lacy to take him apart...then he schooled Lacy and everybody turned on Lacy and called him overrated. I think both sides were right in the aftermath. Joe is really that good, but Lacy was somewhat overrateed. I mean, it was a freakin shutout, as dominating a performance as I can remember at that level.

So now Joe C is getting lots of love and he deserves every bit of it. He'll have the edge in speed, skill, and hometown advantage. How can you pick against him? Just a hunch that Joe will show his age just enough, and that Kessler will present him with a combination of strength, skill, and power that he hasn't had to face, ever. Kessler is better than Lacy. Way, way better than Lacy, and Calzaghe is older, and I just have a feeling. Kessler's jab and straight right will be much harder avoid than Lacy's idiotic, plodding advance. Joe is going to have to deal with a bigger man, with longer reach, an one of the best jabs in the business.

I can see Joe winning a close, legit decision, and I can see Joe getting away with a hometown robbery, but I can also see Kess stopping him, and I that's my prediction. The guard is changing.

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The only was Kessler wins this fight is if Joe gets old.

Kessler for me is more over rated than Jeff Lacy. I have watched eight of Kesslers fights over the last two weeks and he is nothing special whatsoever, his power is way over rated, i dont even think he hits that hard. He wont be able to handle Calzaghe's in fighting. He just doesnt have the skills. Easy UD for Calzaghe imo.

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The Calzaghe-nutshuggers has arrive ;D ;D

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Quote & tweak & you have what we American's refer to as a severe case of the pot callin' the kettle black!

See below :

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Originally Posted by jangeorg

The Kessler-sack-juggler has arrived! ;D ;D

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;) :-*

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Haha ;D ;D

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