More Bizzarre Boxrec Rankings
I love Boxrec. It's brilliant. I really mean that.
I also know that their rankings are based on numerics and not just common sense although they are probably just as reliable as all the others.....
However, listen to this......
Jermain Taylor fights his whole career at Middleweight - beating the longest reigning Middle Champ in History and defending against three champs (although all from lighter weights). He also defeated many ex champs on the way to the title. He then loses a classic fight against a young, undefeated contender whom he was a whisker of stopping early in the fight.
Cory Spinks gets kayoed for the Welterweight title - by a man who then goes 2-3-0-1 (with both victories against men with a combined 17 losses). He wins the Light-Middle title and, after one defence against a fringe contender, loses a close shot against one Jermain Taylor.
So why the fuck is Spinks ranked Higher than Taylor in their Middleweight ranking? I cannot even see a mathematical excuses for this ??? In fact, why is Spinks ranked higher than Artur Abraham when Abraham is an undefeated Champion with FIVE defences to his name!!!
I'm shocked, stunned and amazed.
Saying that, I do love Boxrec ;D just not their rankings :-\
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Because Cory Spinks is the truth!
I'm a big Spinks fan, too. If I had to guess, I would say that Spinks gets extra points with boxrec for holding titles in multiple weight classes at one point or another.
Spinks was welterweight champion, then jr. middleweight champ, then he fought Jermain at middleweight and a lot of people had Spinks winning that fight. (I had Spinks by two rounds, so it wasn't a total robbery or anything)
I think that Ring Magazine still has him rated as the top Jr. Middleweight in the world, too.
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Because Cory Spinks is the truth!
I think that Ring Magazine still has him rated as the top Jr. Middleweight in the world, too.
Cheers FS.
He may be the truth but his record as a Middleweight reads 0-0-1. I'm full of admiration of the mans talents but how can he be ranked above Taylor when his last fight was a loss to Taylor???
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Because Cory Spinks is the truth!
I think that Ring Magazine still has him rated as the top Jr. Middleweight in the world, too.
Cheers FS.
He may be the truth but his record as a Middleweight reads 0-0-1. I'm full of admiration of the mans talents but how can he be ranked above Taylor when his last fight was a loss to Taylor???
I edited my above post with a possible theory for you.....
Really it's just a guess, but it kinda makes sense
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You bastard. >:mad
You spit-roasted me with your posts :skiing:
I feel violated :moon:
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Well taans they have Salvador Sanchez ranked 14th all time. ???
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Well taans they have Salvador Sanchez ranked 14th all time. ???
What about Demetrius Hopkins being the #4 ranked welterweight??
Boxrec must be crooked.
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Well taans they have Salvador Sanchez ranked 14th all time. ???
Of all weights or just Feather?
I could never work out how to rank Mr Sanchez.
If Tyson had died aged 23 he would have been undefeated Heavyweight Champ with a 37-0 (34) record. I remember - very very well - how much sportswriters thought of him back then. They were seriously discussing TWO defences in one night.
At the same age that Chava died Wildredo Benitez was 44-1-1 with his only loss to Sugar Ray Leonard and he'd been champ for over SIX years beating many many great fighters along the way.
Both of the above examples are all time Hall of Famers but both would have been ranked MUCH higher if they had died aged 23.
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I think They should stick to Statistics,Facts and that superb record Keeping in general.
Leave that Self Imposing powder puff crap for other sites :beatdeadhorse:
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Well taans they have Salvador Sanchez ranked 14th all time. ???
Of all weights or just Feather?
I could never work out how to rank Mr Sanchez.
If Tyson had died aged 23 he would have been undefeated Heavyweight Champ with a 37-0 (34) record. I remember - very very well - how much sportswriters thought of him back then. They were seriously discussing TWO defences in one night.
At the same age that Chava died Wildredo Benitez was 44-1-1 with his only loss to Sugar Ray Leonard and he'd been champ for over SIX years beating many many great fighters along the way.
Both of the above examples are all time Hall of Famers but both would have been ranked MUCH higher if they had died aged 23.
Of the Featherweight all time list.
In regards to Tyson I personally don't think Tyson had faced anyone of the caliber of the fighters that Sanchez had faced by then.
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Well taans they have Salvador Sanchez ranked 14th all time. ???
Of all weights or just Feather?
I could never work out how to rank Mr Sanchez.
If Tyson had died aged 23 he would have been undefeated Heavyweight Champ with a 37-0 (34) record. I remember - very very well - how much sportswriters thought of him back then. They were seriously discussing TWO defences in one night.
At the same age that Chava died Wildredo Benitez was 44-1-1 with his only loss to Sugar Ray Leonard and he'd been champ for over SIX years beating many many great fighters along the way.
Both of the above examples are all time Hall of Famers but both would have been ranked MUCH higher if they had died aged 23.
Of the Featherweight all time list.
In regards to Tyson I personally don't think Tyson had faced anyone of the caliber of the fighters that Sanchez had faced by then.
Possibly, but Sanchez's record against Lopez, Castillo, La Porte & Gomez may be superior to Tysons' wins against Berbick, Tucker, Holmes & Spinks but the fact I'm stating is that Tyson was rated a WHOLE lot higher prior to his loss to Douglas (and it was pretty much downhill after that) than he was after.
Sanchez was great, but he might have slid just like my examples above. We'll never know. I, possibly unfairly, never use him in my examples or arguments because of this.
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Well taans they have Salvador Sanchez ranked 14th all time. ???
Of all weights or just Feather?
I could never work out how to rank Mr Sanchez.
If Tyson had died aged 23 he would have been undefeated Heavyweight Champ with a 37-0 (34) record. I remember - very very well - how much sportswriters thought of him back then. They were seriously discussing TWO defences in one night.
At the same age that Chava died Wildredo Benitez was 44-1-1 with his only loss to Sugar Ray Leonard and he'd been champ for over SIX years beating many many great fighters along the way.
Both of the above examples are all time Hall of Famers but both would have been ranked MUCH higher if they had died aged 23.
Of the Featherweight all time list.
In regards to Tyson I personally don't think Tyson had faced anyone of the caliber of the fighters that Sanchez had faced by then.
Possibly, but Sanchez's record against Lopez, Castillo, La Porte & Gomez may be superior to Tysons' wins against Berbick, Tucker, Holmes & Spinks but the fact I'm stating is that Tyson was rated a WHOLE lot higher prior to his loss to Douglas (and it was pretty much downhill after that) than he was after.
Sanchez was great, but he might have slid just like my examples above. We'll never know. I, possibly unfairly, never use him in my examples or arguments because of this.
I see what your saying now. I think I was going in one direction with the discussion and you were going the other. ;D
I def. agree on Sanchez as a topic it's pretty much up in the air as to how you think his career might have gone after Nelson.
I think his toughest test and possibly his 1st loss would have came in the hands of Alexis Arguello.
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Well taans they have Salvador Sanchez ranked 14th all time. ???
Of all weights or just Feather?
I could never work out how to rank Mr Sanchez.
If Tyson had died aged 23 he would have been undefeated Heavyweight Champ with a 37-0 (34) record. I remember - very very well - how much sportswriters thought of him back then. They were seriously discussing TWO defences in one night.
At the same age that Chava died Wildredo Benitez was 44-1-1 with his only loss to Sugar Ray Leonard and he'd been champ for over SIX years beating many many great fighters along the way.
Both of the above examples are all time Hall of Famers but both would have been ranked MUCH higher if they had died aged 23.
Of the Featherweight all time list.
In regards to Tyson I personally don't think Tyson had faced anyone of the caliber of the fighters that Sanchez had faced by then.
Possibly, but Sanchez's record against Lopez, Castillo, La Porte & Gomez may be superior to Tysons' wins against Berbick, Tucker, Holmes & Spinks but the fact I'm stating is that Tyson was rated a WHOLE lot higher prior to his loss to Douglas (and it was pretty much downhill after that) than he was after.
Sanchez was great, but he might have slid just like my examples above. We'll never know. I, possibly unfairly, never use him in my examples or arguments because of this.
I see what your saying now. I think I was going in one direction with the discussion and you were going the other. ;D
I def. agree on Sanchez as a topic it's pretty much up in the air as to how you think his career might have gone after Nelson.
I think his toughest test and
possibly his 1st loss would have came in the hands of Alexis Arguello.
Alas, we'll never know. :'(
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I've always said, the best boxrec ranking ever was when they had Prince Hamed ranked only one spot behind Willie Pep on the all-time featherweight list. Nothing can top that.
They've fixed it though.
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I've always said, the best boxrec ranking ever was when they had Prince Hamed ranked only one spot behind Willie Pep on the all-time featherweight list. Nothing can top that.
They've fixed it though.
Thank fuck for that!!! 8)
Do they have Naz listed above that useless Guinnea fucker now ;D ;) ;D
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Boxrec draws names out of a hat to get their rankings.
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Originally Posted by taansend
I love Boxrec. It's brilliant. I really mean that.
I also know that their rankings are based on numerics and not just common sense although they are probably just as reliable as all the others.....
However, listen to this......
Jermain Taylor fights his whole career at Middleweight - beating the longest reigning Middle Champ in History and defending against three champs (although all from lighter weights). He also defeated many ex champs on the way to the title. He then loses a classic fight against a young, undefeated contender whom he was a whisker of stopping early in the fight.
Cory Spinks gets kayoed for the Welterweight title - by a man who then goes 2-3-0-1 (with both victories against men with a combined 17 losses). He wins the Light-Middle title and, after one defence against a fringe contender, loses a close shot against one Jermain Taylor.
So why the F*** is Spinks ranked Higher than Taylor in their Middleweight ranking? I cannot even see a mathematical excuses for this ??? In fact, why is Spinks ranked higher than Artur Abraham when Abraham is an undefeated Champion with FIVE defences to his name!!!
I'm shocked, stunned and amazed.
Saying that, I do love Boxrec ;D just not their rankings :-\
Who knows what the hell the BOX REC computer is drinking these days? I never understood its' way of ranking people and never will. Either the Box Rec computer is downing way too much Guinness or too much printer toner, just my guess.
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I noticed that they have Humberto Soto ranked as welterweight???? I notice theyre rankings have changed after the "makeover" alot of weird names on the all time lists.....did they ever have credibility in their rankings? If they did it is gone now.....
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Originally Posted by No Contest
I noticed that they have Humberto Soto ranked as welterweight???? I notice theyre rankings have changed after the "makeover" alot of weird names on the all time lists.....did they ever have credibility in their rankings? If they did it is gone now.....
It's actually better than it used to be
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I noticed that they have Humberto Soto ranked as welterweight???? I notice theyre rankings have changed after the "makeover" alot of weird names on the all time lists.....did they ever have credibility in their rankings? If they did it is gone now.....
Actually, thats because his last fight was over 140lbs so they just have an automatic ranking on weight.
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HA, he didnt train that much and whooped that dude ass ;)
