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How great was Chico Corrales
Just a little tribute to a great warrior. I know it's been done, but hell lets do it again. The man deserves it. Share your thoughts on his accomplishments and wheather or not you consider him a Hall of Famer or maybe even an ATG in his divisions.
Great or not, he sure gave us some great fights, one of which has a case for greatest fight ever.
He has wins over Derrick Gainer, Angel Manfredy, Joel Casamayor (Only the seccond to beat him), Acelino Freitas (First to beat him) and Jose Luis Castillo in a clasic.
Yes some of those wins were close and some of them were later avenged but for those nights that Chico emerged victorious we saw a spark of greatness and a glimps of what we all believe boxing should be. Even in his losses, or maybe especially, Corrales defined what is hart.
He was only dominated twice in his career and that was against an ATG in Mayweather and a young and hungry welterweight contender, a weight class chico should've never fought at, in his last fight.
Thanks Chico, RIP.
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He was dominated in his last fight too.
But that was when it was all over.
He's not a Hall of Famer, but his fights with Castillo were Hall of Fame caliber fights.
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
He was dominated in his last fight too.
But that was when it was all over.
He's not a Hall of Famer, but his fights with Castillo were Hall of Fame caliber fights.
The first fight with castillo is the greatest fight of all time IMO
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He was an entertaining fighter but not a great fighter.
He fell at the major hurdle more often than not. Despite having so many physical advantages.
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He was an entertaining fighter but not a great fighter.
He fell at the major hurdle more often than not. Despite having so many physical advantages.
his willingness to throw it all on the libne and go toe to toe did it i think.
he could have done a lot of damage just working off the jab IMO
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Chico was one of my favorite fighters. As has been said 100's of times before, the first fight with Castillo was one of the best fights boxing has ever seen - certainly the best I've ever seen.
Even in his fight with Clottey, in which he was dominated, you could see flashes of what made Corrales great - he never quit and he always sought to perform the best he could, regardless of circumstances, he kept coming forward, bring the fight to the bigger and stronger Clottey.
One example (out of many) of just how big a heart he had was at the end of the Mayweather fight - most fighters would have resigned themselves to the fact that the fight was going to be stopped, and it should have been - but Corrales was pissed that they would even concieve of throwing the towel in.
One of my favorite fighters of all time, certain to be inducted in to the hall of fame - Multi-weight champion, a 40 - 5 record, and one of the most exciting fighters of our era - if fucking Naz gets in there, Chico should have his own goddamn wing.
RIP Diego "Chico" Corrales
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
He was dominated in his last fight too.
But that was when it was all over.
He's not a Hall of Famer, but his fights with Castillo were Hall of Fame caliber fights.
Completely agree. Corrales' heart, not his skill, is what made him. Plenty of fighters with heart have clenched or will clench a HoF spot (Holyfield) but not Corrales. If that heart had carried him through a few more fights with wins (Mayweather, Clottey) then perhaps, but as his career finally stands, no.
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Chico was one of my favorite fighters. As has been said 100's of times before, the first fight with Castillo was one of the best fights boxing has ever seen - certainly the best I've ever seen.
Even in his fight with Clottey, in which he was dominated, you could see flashes of what made Corrales great - he never quit and he always sought to perform the best he could, regardless of circumstances, he kept coming forward, bring the fight to the bigger and stronger Clottey.
One example (out of many) of just how big a heart he had was at the end of the Mayweather fight - most fighters would have resigned themselves to the fact that the fight was going to be stopped, and it should have been - but Corrales was pissed that they would even concieve of throwing the towel in.
One of my favorite fighters of all time, certain to be inducted in to the hall of fame - Multi-weight champion, a 40 - 5 record, and one of the most exciting fighters of our era - if F****** Naz gets in there, Chico should have his own goddamn wing.
RIP Diego "Chico" Corrales
So true...
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I've seen people in with less credentials.
His three wins in a row against Casamayor, Freitas and Castillo, which were arguably the best 130 and 135 lbers at the time, is certanly HoF worthy stuff. To bad those were also his last three wins...
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I loved him, but I still don't think he belongs. And Naz doesn't necessarily belong in there, either. Great athlete but an ego made of glass.
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By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
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I think he deserves to be in there not so much for his ability but the way boxing fans reminise about him. He was definately entertainng and was never in a dull fight. His first fight against castillo will be remembered for years. Especially that 10th round. Also talent wise he was the first to beat Freitas and the second to beat Casamayor who many consider to be the man at lightweight now. For me he should be in. Afterall it is the hall of fame and not the hall of talent.
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Well you could make the same case for him as Castillo. Both were champions and both were involved in some of the best fights of this generation. IMO he may be a little shy of being in the hall only because if you let him in you have to induct a lot of other guys on the same plateu as him over the years and there have been a lot of guys. Maybe not as much heart but similar accomplishments. If he was to get in I would have no problem with it though. He was great for boxing.
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not a great fighter but did give us the greatest fight of all time
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While I have never really liked Corrales...I liked what he was all about as far as his drive & heart went.
He wasn't my type of fighter...but he did indeed bring some exciting moments to boxing.
The main issue that I had with him was the fact that pretty much everything that I remembered him for was either a loss or a close one.
You have to respect a man that goes toe to toe with the best because it either brought out the best him or his fellow man.
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His familiar ring attire and trunks epitomized his career and ebb and flow fights.Decked out in camouflage ready for a war.
I do not think he should be in the hall of Fame but will be remembered as an honest leave no doubts fighter.He wore his emotions on his sleeves.
The first time he Really grabbed my attention was his Title shot against defending champ Roberto Garcia. "Grand Pa" Garcia came in undefeated at 33-0 (24) out of Ca. and was tactically sound with good power and a credible Champ.Garcia boxed circles around Corrales early and was pot shoting him Pulling away.And then along came the POWER in the 4th as he dropped Garcia twice and it was as good as over.Chico dropped him in the 7th and Corrales had made his presence apparent and would go on to give all of us great memories. R.I.P Champ.
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Corrales was a great action fighter, but he wasn't a great fighter.
He loved to brawl too much and never learned how to take advantage of his skills. His most complete performance IMO was the 2nd fight with Casamayor. In that fight, he boxed intelligently and at a distance for the whole 12 rounds, and he clearly beat Casamayor. It was a very impressive performance, and his career would have been more successful overall if he had always fought that way.
He never would've been able to beat someone like Floyd at 130, but he would've been able to win the other fights with Casamayor, and he wouldn't have been forced to absorb the punishment he took against Castillo in their two fights.
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By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
So Chico is on DLH's level now? Wow. That's not a stretch at all.
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is shit. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean shit.
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Even tho he's a Gold medal adorned Olympian???
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Even tho he's a Gold medal adorned Olympian???
So is audrey harrison.
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Even tho he's a Gold medal adorned Olympian???
So is audrey harrison.
You've taken my point out of context. Oscar won a gold medal..then went on to fight some huge names and forge a highly succesful career for himself climbing numerous weights.
Is climbing weights not considerably more admirable than collecting alphabet titles, you yourself so openly despise.
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Diego was without a doubt one of the most entertaining fighters of our era and he was also a better boxer then he let on...Diego became to wrapped up in the all out war process and that hurt him in the long run..it did to him what it did to many good boxers who become brawlers...their reflexes suffered for it...Gatti was another guy who could box very well and would have won some bigger fights if he did box and not go to war...Diego also let a lot of his personal life effect his in ring life....
I remeber seeing his pro debut and thinking WTF???? He looked like he would break in half...Even Hearns was not that skinny and he was almost 6'2" and 147lbs...but he could bang and he had a good jab.....
By the time of his death and you could see it in the Cassamayor fight especially his desire was gone...almost like he was just there because he did not know what else to do....
I will personally miss him I was a fan...I can not say he was a great fighter but I will say he could have been...Corrales was his own worst enemy in the ring....
Either way it was a shame to see him lose his life and leave behind young children due to a silly day out blowing off some steam and having a few drinks.....That is the real tragedy of it all
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
He was dominated in his last fight too.
But that was when it was all over.
He's not a Hall of Famer, but his fights with Castillo were Hall of Fame caliber fights.
The first fight with castillo is the greatest fight of all time IMO
I agree completely. I have never seen a better fight. I will forever remember Chico. He's HOF calibur for me.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Diego was without a doubt one of the most entertaining fighters of our era and he was also a better boxer then he let on...Diego became to wrapped up in the all out war process and that hurt him in the long run..it did to him what it did to many good boxers who become brawlers...their reflexes suffered for it...Gatti was another guy who could box very well and would have won some bigger fights if he did box and not go to war...Diego also let a lot of his personal life effect his in ring life....
I remeber seeing his pro debut and thinking WTF???? He looked like he would break in half...Even Hearns was not that skinny and he was almost 6'2" and 147lbs...but he could bang and he had a good jab.....
By the time of his death and you could see it in the Cassamayor fight especially his desire was gone...almost like he was just there because he did not know what else to do....
I will personally miss him I was a fan...I can not say he was a great fighter but I will say he could have been...Corrales was his own worst enemy in the ring....
Either way it was a shame to see him lose his life and leave behind young children due to a silly day out blowing off some steam and having a few drinks.....That is the real tragedy of it all
:coolclick: #631. Very well stated. Especially the last paragraph.
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
He was dominated in his last fight too.
I think thats the fight Rookie Fan was talking about.
Isn't there talk of Gatti going in there? If he's going in then Corrales surely deserves a place.
I think Bukom Battler said it best...its the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of 'talent' and Corrales definitely made himself famous by being involved in one of the greatest wars of all time. I say he's in..He's another guy that was more appreciated after his death though..he had his fair share of haters when he was boxing. I guess that was more to do with the fact that most of us knew it was over for him and he should have hung them up.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Diego was without a doubt one of the most entertaining fighters of our era and he was also a better boxer then he let on...Diego became to wrapped up in the all out war process and that hurt him in the long run..it did to him what it did to many good boxers who become brawlers...their reflexes suffered for it...Gatti was another guy who could box very well and would have won some bigger fights if he did box and not go to war...Diego also let a lot of his personal life effect his in ring life....
I remeber seeing his pro debut and thinking WTF???? He looked like he would break in half...Even Hearns was not that skinny and he was almost 6'2" and 147lbs...but he could bang and he had a good jab.....
By the time of his death and you could see it in the Cassamayor fight especially his desire was gone...almost like he was just there because he did not know what else to do....
I will personally miss him I was a fan...I can not say he was a great fighter but I will say he could have been...Corrales was his own worst enemy in the ring....
Either way it was a shame to see him lose his life and leave behind young children due to a silly day out blowing off some steam and having a few drinks.....That is the real tragedy of it all
:coolclick: #631. Very well stated. Especially the last paragraph.
CC back to ya Wacko...I really felt for his family when this happened..I remember when I talked with him before the Cass fight and he mentioned his kids and spoke every proudly about them...So it kind of hit a chord so to speak..if you know what I am saying
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Even tho he's a Gold medal adorned Olympian???
So is audrey harrison.
You've taken my point out of context. Oscar won a gold medal..then went on to fight some huge names and forge a highly succesful career for himself climbing numerous weights.
Is climbing weights not considerably more admirable than collecting alphabet titles, you yourself so openly despise.
I see you used the word boxed. he lost his big fights to trinadad, twice to mosely, hopkins and mayweather. theres champions in 3 weight divisions that beat him. he unified some titles but was never an undisputed champ.
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Even tho he's a Gold medal adorned Olympian???
So is audrey harrison.
You've taken my point out of context. Oscar won a gold medal..then went on to fight some huge names and forge a highly succesful career for himself climbing numerous weights.
Is climbing weights not considerably more admirable than collecting alphabet titles, you yourself so openly despise.
I see you used the word boxed. he lost his big fights to trinadad, twice to mosely, hopkins and mayweather. theres champions in 3 weight divisions that beat him. he unified some titles but was never an undisputed champ.
Let's keep this on Chico guys. DLH is a great fighter, wheather or not he is HoF material has nothing to do with this thread
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Even tho he's a Gold medal adorned Olympian???
So is audrey harrison.
You've taken my point out of context. Oscar won a gold medal..then went on to fight some huge names and forge a highly succesful career for himself climbing numerous weights.
Is climbing weights not considerably more admirable than collecting alphabet titles, you yourself so openly despise.
I see you used the word boxed. he lost his big fights to trinadad, twice to mosely, hopkins and mayweather. theres champions in 3 weight divisions that beat him. he unified some titles but was never an undisputed champ.
Let's keep this on Chico guys. DLH is a great fighter, wheather or not he is HoF material has nothing to do with this thread
ok chief
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Thats a stupid statement. DLH is one of the first boxers I would add. Not only has he had a great career, winning titles at 6 different weights, something alot of fighters struggle to do, his company has given us fights to produce one of the best years of boxing I've seen. By your logic, Floyd Mayweather doesn't deserve to be in the HOF when he retires.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Thats a stupid statement. DLH is one of the first boxers I would add. Not only has he had a great career, winning titles at 6 different weights, something alot of fighters struggle to do, his company has given us fights to produce one of the best years of boxing I've seen. By your logic, Floyd Mayweather doesn't deserve to be in the HOF when he retires.
he wont after HATTON twats him
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Thats a stupid statement. DLH is one of the first boxers I would add. Not only has he had a great career, winning titles at 6 different weights, something alot of fighters struggle to do, his company has given us fights to produce one of the best years of boxing I've seen. By your logic, Floyd Mayweather doesn't deserve to be in the HOF when he retires.
he wont after HATTON twats him
Fingers crossed that will happen, but Floyd is one of the most flawless fighters I've ever seen. Can't stand the twat as a person though. Anyways, I see someone made the point about this being a Corrales thread, so I'll end this and get back to the topic at hand.
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Thats a stupid statement. DLH is one of the first boxers I would add. Not only has he had a great career, winning titles at 6 different weights, something alot of fighters struggle to do, his company has given us fights to produce one of the best years of boxing I've seen. By your logic, Floyd Mayweather doesn't deserve to be in the HOF when he retires.
he wont after HATTON twats him
So the whole slag on ODLH was ultimately PBF hatin, wasn't it?
Personally I am much more impressed by someone that jumps weightclasses than one that unifies. Although I love to see unification bouts
seeing someone beat a high caliber boxer 5 weightclasses over where they started, how can you not be impressed by that?
Getting back to the topic though, I vote for Chico to get into the HOF, not because of his victories, but because of the sheer excitement he brought to the sport Gatti also deserves to be there IMO, these all heart warriors are great for the image of boxing.
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By the time of his death and you could see it in the Cassamayor fight especially his desire was gone...almost like he was just there because he did not know what else to do....
Sorry Daxx I wholeheartedly disagree, Diego's problem was he couldnt make his ideal weight anymore, he was like a man without a country so to say. He couldnt carry his power and chin up to 140-147. In his fight with Casamayor he was so weight drained and gaunt, he looked like a skeleton :-\ I mean to say his desire was gone is a bit ludicrous seeing he fought one of the biggest and top Welters in Clottey. I remember feeling sad and on the edge of my couch watching the tail of the tape and seeing Clottey rehydrated up to about 160+ and Diego stood toe to toe with Clottey all nite even though he hit Joshua with his best and couldnt even put a dent in him. But he fought straight ahead and brave. Very few posses the heart and ballz that Chico had. Even if the Hall snubs him to me he is already imortalized as a Fukin legend... I will give you a few names of fighters that heart and courage come around once in a lifetime and I'm happy to have seen them.
Evander Holyfield
Arturo Gatti
Diego Coralles
40 year old George Foreman
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Evander Holyfield
Arturo Gatti
Diego Coralles
40 year old George Foreman
Who did 40 year old Foreman beat that he should go into the Hall for the 2nd phase of his career? Heart, shmart, other than Michael Moorer he didn't beat anybody. And he failed upward to get the title shot.
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Evander Holyfield
Arturo Gatti
Diego Coralles
40 year old George Foreman
Who did 40 year old Foreman beat that he should go into the Hall for the 2nd phase of his career? Heart, shmart, other than Michael Moorer he didn't beat anybody. And he failed upward to get the title shot.
I said heart! George had the heart and dertrmination to hag in there and constanly push forward, his chin was better and never tasted the canvas despite being clobbered by men that were almost half his age.
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Originally Posted by CFH
By some of the logic being demonstrated in this thread, Oscar Dela Hoya doesn't deserve to be in the HoF either...
Delahoya doesnt. he's never been an undisputed champion at any weight. all this multi weight champ stuff is S***. if you aint unified or universally recognised as number one, you can win all the jarg arsed titles you want and it dont mean S***.
Even tho he's a Gold medal adorned Olympian???
So is audrey harrison.
You've taken my point out of context. Oscar won a gold medal..then went on to fight some huge names and forge a highly succesful career for himself climbing numerous weights.
Is climbing weights not considerably more admirable than collecting alphabet titles, you yourself so openly despise.
I see you used the word boxed. he lost his big fights to trinadad, twice to mosely, hopkins and mayweather. theres champions in 3 weight divisions that beat him. he unified some titles but was never an undisputed champ.
I didn use the word "boxed." ???
And i realise he lost to all of the above...and i would go as far as to add Sturm to the list but that doesn't alter my stance on the subject. The loss against Trinidad is highly debatable, Hopkins is a bonafide legend at much higher weights, Mosley is the great enigma of our generation....I don't get your logic???
