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Many people think De la Hoya is all done and has nothing but lets be realistic. He's far from being shot and can still offer some competition out there.
What do you guys think about this match?
If De La Hoya uses his jab and distance, I think he gets the win just like Morales easily did on their first fight where he just kept him away with jabs and one-two. When Pac charged in, he just stepped aside and returned to jab, one-two.
I am a big fan of both Dan Rafael and Larry Merchant, and to be quite honest, I am shocked they would propose something this ridiculous.
There is absolutely ZERO chance that Pacquiao and De La Hoya ever fight each other. ZERO.
De La Hoya destroys Pacquiao inside of 1 round. De La Hoya would brush off Pac's best shot's like nothing. Pac would hit the floor from Oscar's best shots
I'm disgusted at the suggestion of this
hey while we are at it why don't we throw Hatton in against Lacy on the undercard
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No wonder there's so many idiots around. If a Pac fanboy come up with this fight they'd be ridiculed or ignored cause it's stupid...
Yet these guys like Dan Rafael and Larry Merchant get tagged with the label "expert" and clearly influence people ::**
Well iv always doubted Dan Rafael, but LarryMercahnt is a pretty infleuential figure in boxing and deservedly so imo
Manny could maybe be effective at 140 and Oscar aint getting anywhere near Light Welter unless he has a horrible accident.
when was this proposed? these guys are serious? what website?
Dan Rafael is the lead boxing writer for ESPN.com, and he actually does a phenomenal job. I consider him the #1 source for US boxing news. Which is why I'm so surprised he would write something this dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by LawHoops
Supposedly he was having a 1-on-1 discussion with Merchant, and Merchant brought up the idea of Pacquiao-DLH. So Rafael wrote a column saying that it's a plausible idea. Which is ridiculous, because it's not plausible.
The one thing that I find dumbest of all, is the theory that "Pacquiao weighed 144 in the ring against Barrera, therefore he can fight welterweights." That is a completely pointless argument. Let's say Manny does enter the ring at that weight... well DLH is going to add on weight too. DLH may weigh-in the day before at 147, or 144, or whatever, but by fight time he'll have rehydrated up to 155, 160, or maybe more than that. And just about any other welterweight would do the same. Pacquiao would be weighing 15-20 pounds less than his opponent on fight night.
Mayweather is the only welter I know of who doesn't add on weight after the weigh-in. Against JUdah, Baldomor, and Oscar, Floyd walked into the ring at the same weight he weighed in at.
I don't see Floyd-Pac ever happening, but if Rafael had proposed that fight in an article (and not Pac-DLH), I'd actually think it was a semi-decent article.
you can read the entire article here:
http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopi...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Do you have a quote on what they actually sayed. I can't see much in the link cuz you have to register.
This sounds pretty ridiculous to me too. Although PBF-PAC is a possiblity IMO, though a very remote one at that.
It really bothers me when I see articles like this talking about how DLH calls all the shots and everyone is just waiting on him even though he has lossed 3 of his last 5 fights, does not have a title and only fights once a year. I hate it when money gets in the way of how it should be. And I don't even blame Oscar for that either. It's the entire boxing establishment that allow him to get away with it and all these fighters calling him out even though they know the fight won't mean nothing. Just put up a sign that sais, I don't care about pleasing the fans or establishing my legacy, all I care about is making money.
Oscar should wait in line like everybody else. If he wants a shot at another title, make him work for it by fighting a contender. You know who he should fight? He should fight Margarito for the right to get a shot at the title. If not than he should fight the loser of one of the fights coming up at welterweight not the winner.
If he gets by that, then he can challenge won of the winners for a title.
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by KKisser
its all about the green....if it does happen i bet everyone will watch it though....but it won't ;)
How stupid; I would lose alot of respect for Oscar if he fought Pacman. Why don't they worry about getting Pac in with JMM 1st, then maybe moving up to Casamayor or Diaz, and Oscar can pick on someone his own size. I wouldn't watch it, unless Pavlik was on the under card fighting Arce and Butterbean was fighting Zab. Is boxing going to turn into a circus sideshow now ???
Nice one. CC.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKisser
Now ive read their (Merchants) argument I still think it's stupid as fuck. He'd rather see an "event" than a even fight.
cc 325Quote:
Originally Posted by KKisser
Thanks- I wish someone would post more of his blogs-as you need to have paid subscription to read them. Rafael is probably the #1 journalist in the U.S.
It's stuff like this that makes me dislike boxing and the stupid fans who fuel it. :(
Read through Merchant's argument; it doesn't seem that ridiculous:
"First, once upon a time, it wasn't unusual for outstanding champions to fight way over their best weight to make money," Merchant said.
Merchant, who has forgotten more boxing than most of us know, reeled off a number of examples to support his fantasy:
• Sugar Ray Robinson, the generally recognized No.1 pound-for-pound fighter in history, was the welterweight and middleweight champion, who moved up for a shot at light heavyweight champ Joey Maxim in 1952 and was stopped in the 14th round of a fight Robinson had dominated until succumbing to heat exhaustion.
• Henry Armstrong, the pound-for-pound legend who simultaneously held the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight championships in 1938, challenged Caferino Garcia for the middleweight title in 1940 and got a draw.
• England's Ted "Kid" Lewis, who fought from flyweight all the way to heavyweight, was at his best at welterweight, where he had two reigns as champion between 1915 and 1919. But that didn't stop Lewis from challenging Georges Carpentier for the light heavyweight title in 1922 (and getting knocked out in the first round).
• Mickey Walker, a Hall of Famer who was welterweight champ and middleweight champ in the 1920s, twice challenged for the light heavyweight title. He also fought future heavyweight champ Jack Sharkey to a draw, despite being outweighed by 29 pounds.
For more recent examples, Merchant also had ammunition:
• Roy Jones Jr., who won titles at middleweight and super middleweight and was the reigning light heavyweight champion when he moved up to heavyweight for a shot at John Ruiz's alphabet title in 2003. Jones won it in dominant fashion.
• Bernard Hopkins, who after his dominant 20-defense middleweight title reign ended against Jermain Taylor, jumped up 15 pounds and easily won the light heavyweight title from Antonio Tarver last year.
Another reason the fight isn't as crazy as you might initially think? Merchant pointed to the fact that on the night Pacquiao fought Marco Antonio Barrera in their Oct. 6 rematch, Pacquiao weighed 144 pounds, 24 hours after weighing in at 130 pounds.
"Pacquiao would be in his prime, Oscar way past his trying to make a weight he hasn't made in (almost) a decade," Merchant said.
Then Merchant added the part that makes the fantasy perhaps a reality: "It sells millions (on pay-per-view), Oscar wins and goes on to fight (an eventually) revived Cotto or Hatton. Let's do it. If you're a fight fan, you have to watch it. It's not De La Hoya-Mayweather I, but it's a big deal and a lot of money. And if Pacquiao loses, so what? It doesn't hurt him. He goes back to fight at lightweight. The fight is a tantalizing curiosity like Jones fighting a heavyweight."
Merchant also mentioned another juicy storyline that would envelope the fight: Who would trainer Freddie Roach work with? He's been with Pacquiao for many years and was the trainer De La Hoya handpicked to train him for Mayweather after parting with Floyd Mayweather Sr.
And let's not forget the bitterness, although well-hidden, that surely must exist between De La Hoya and Pacquiao after Pacquiao signed with De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions only to turn around and pledge allegiance to Arum.
During the ensuing litigation, De La Hoya attempted to stop Pacquiao from fighting by trying to get an injunction, which didn't work. The sides ultimately settled and Golden Boy retains a small percentage of Pacquiao's promotional contract. Just think of the juicy stories a fight between them would generate.
"In the spectrum of the kind of fights you could have, it's a fun event," Merchant said. "Manny is shorter, but he's a left-handed puncher. Oscar would be the clear favorite to win and Manny would be the underdog, but all of their fans would have to watch it. It's about creating an event. That's an event."
Forget this, when is Manny gunna get some balls and fight Wlad? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chino
i doubt it, pac has been ducking wlad his whole career ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Why don't they go ahead and stick a few lions in the ring with them too. Freak shit.
looking at their arguments then the fight is not as preposterous as previously believed but i still think it's untimely. pac needs to take care of business first at 130lbs then climb up to the lightweight division and establish his credibility fighting at a higher weight class. then and only then would this fight be a bit credible.
and what happens to pac after this, after gaining all that muscle mass? will he still be able to go back down to fight in the lower weight divisions? goodbye to all those good fights at 130lbs. of course they can follow him up at lightweight but it just messes up the entire future fight scenarios for pac.
At last, the ultimate fight all the loyal pac-fans have been waiting for is in the horizon. Whew! I can't wait.
Seriously, with my due respect to our good boss Kkizzer, I'm even against pac moving up to 135 and now this talks of him fighting the Golden Boy comes. Are they serious, they're just kidding, right? Oscar won't even feel pac's punches and on the other hand, Oscar's punches will... :-X :-X :-X...never mind!..
...Let's get to the next topic...
But these examples really mean nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Robinson and Armstrong... not only did they fight a long time ago, but they were 2 of the 4 best fighters ever. They could do things that other fighters can't do.
Lewis and Walker, that happened over 80 or 90 years ago.
Jones was able to move up because he was a lightning quick fighter who could AVOID CONTACT for 12 rounds. If Jones had gone toe-to-toe with a heavyweight, he would have gotten beaten. But he had the ability to make a guy miss for 12 rounds. This is the exact opposite of how Pacquiao fights. Pac is a straight ahead high-contact fighter.
Hopkins only went up from middle to light heavy, which is not a huge move, and Hopkins was always very drawn at 160, he easily could have moved to 175 years earlier. Hopkins didn't even look that much smaller when he fought Tarver. And again, Hopkins was a great defensive fighter who could avoid blows. Manny does not fight like this.
this fight should only happen if they want pac to retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by penalosafan
dude, do you really hate pac that much??? everybody thinks this topic is dumb and you're here doing an RBR? give us a break will you? this fight is not gonna happen!!! now wipe that drool off your faceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
The fight will not happen. Why? Cuz Pac handlers would never allow it. It's a simple fact. De La Hoya is to big for Pacquiao. It'll be a slaughter. Oscar would destroy him within a round. How's that a RBR? Stupid Pac groupie.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334
thats just how he is, his one of the biggest pac haters around, don't worry nobody really pays much attention to his bias comments and insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334
SweetPea,dude,your posts are awesome. CC. Merchant makes good points but Manny only fights one way and that would not make for a great fight v Oscar who must have to go through ALOT OF WORK to get down to 147 now!Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
simple no
I can't believe even Arum is on the band wagon;
"We’ll take it," Arum told ESPN's Rafael, adding: "I don’t even have to call Manny. I am sure he would accept the challenge without question."
maybe the prelims should consist of a trapeze act, lion show and some clowns ::**
This whole topic is insane to me. Maybe Bernard Hopkins-Juan Diaz can be the undercard. Im always defending Merchant but he clearly needs to get off the sauce and start taking his senility pills again.
De La Hoya is the most over-rated boxer today. This would be a stupid meaningless fight. If Pac won he would get to much credit for fighting a cross dresser and if ODLH won, well he could finally retire and leave us alone. But ODLH would be expected to win.
As far as being a fucking idiot, this topic takes the cake, although I would rather see Hopkins-Wlad....as I am into pure sadistic entertainment.
They could fight if they agreed to no weight limits, and I doubt anyone would sanction it. De La Hoya would kick the shit outta him and it wouldnt even be entertaining. If this was Oscar from the early nineties then yes it could've happened, now? Let me have some of what your smoking. I think the superfeather ODLH was a damn good fighter and pretty close to unbeatable.
On a second thought, maybe taking couple of good shots and running away with ten's of millions of dollars might not be a bad ideal. That should keep Ara happy. ;D ;D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KKisser
Can't believe some of you guys taking this seriously, c'mon guys, they're just after the zillions the Golden Boy brings in.
That would be some old school style boxing , put the two big money guys together even if there 3 divisions apart...lol it would be freaking awesome if Pacquiao won, pulled off a Armstrong.