Where is Joe C p4p now?

Thoughts peeps?

behind PBF / PACMAN / Hopkins / JMM / somewere around 5 -7

Heres how I have it.

1. PBF
2. PAC
3. JMM
4. JOE
5. Hopkins
6. Vasquez
7. Rafael
8. Hatton
9. Winky
10. Cotto

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Heres how I have it.

1. PBF
2. PAC
3. JMM
4. JOE
5. Hopkins
6. Vasquez
7. Rafael
8. Hatton
9. Winky
10. Cotto

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Thats' probably the best list I've seen thus far. Very agreeable. I find it strange when people have Mosley high on their lists. I think I'd take out Cotto and put in Pavlik,Cotto,Calderon and a few others are banging on the door for me.

I think i said in another thread a while ago id place him at 4th in the p4p list..i dont know if theres anyone he could take on to go any higher #

PBF PAC JMM....just have better opposition available to them.

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Heres how I have it.

1. PBF
2. PAC
3. JMM
4. JOE
5. Hopkins
6. Vasquez
7. Rafael
8. Hatton
9. Winky
10. Cotto

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Good list Mick, :coolclick: nice to see someone put a list up that doesn't embarrass the site and make us look like Dogshite boxing 8)

My List:

1. 'Pretty Boy' Floyd Maywether Jr.
2. Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao
3. 'Dinamita' Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Bernard 'The Executioner' Hopkins
5. 'The Pride Of Wales' Joe Calzaghe
6. Israel 'Magnifico' Vazquez
7. Ricky 'The Hitman' Hatton
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Kelly 'The Ghost' Pavlik
10. Ivan 'El Niño De Hierro' Calderon

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My List:

1. 'Pretty Boy' Floyd Maywether Jr.
2. Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao
3. 'Dinamita' Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Bernard 'The Executioner' Hopkins
5. 'The Pride Of Wales' Joe Calzaghe
6. Israel 'Magnifico' Vazquez
7. Ricky 'The Hitman' Hatton
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Kelly 'The Ghost' Pavlik
10. Ivan 'El Niño De Hierro' Calderon

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Thats interesting to see Kelly in your list...ive deided not to rate him until after the Jermaine taylor rematch..if he beats him the second time i would definatly have to consider him as a top 10 fighter

I only like to rate as top 5 though so my list.

1. Floyd Maywether Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. B-hop

i have him third

1. PBF
2. PAC
3. JMM
4. Hopkins
5. JOE
6. Vasquez
7. Rafael
8. Hatton
9. Winky
10. Cotto

I have hopkins ahead of joe because of what he has accomplished in boxing and the people he has fought. The people hopkins fought and beat calzaghi can only dream of. Although calzaghi is a a v v v good champ, hopkins is a great.

I think its out of Joe and Hopkins whos number 1 . Probably Joe cuz Hopkins has lost recently a cxouple times and helost in the middle of his career to Jones and he lost at the start . Joe is unbeaten throughout . Winner of PBF - Hatton at 3 .

1) Mayweather
2) Calzaghe
3) Pacman
3) Hopkins
4) JMM
5) Cotto
6) Hatton
7) Mosley
8) Kessler
9) Israel Vasquez
10) Winky

How is Kessler in the top 10 ???

IMO Joe is second to Floyd. I wouldn't argue if Pac JMM or B-hop is rated above him, all are very close. I put Joe and Floyd top of the 5 since they have always figured out their opponents. On paper wins though, Pac and Hopkins have better resumees.

I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

Joe completely amazed me last night! I thought he was a bit overrated but now i'm completely biting my tongue.

I have it at

1) Floyd
2) Manny
3) Joe
4) Juan Manuel

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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know what you mean, hopkins is to high to imo. as good as wright is, hopkins struggled and JUST beat a guy whos besta t light middle, hardly see how that puts u top 5 in the world.

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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Well Marquez.like JC,beat alot of decent fighters in his division:Medina etc etc he then drew with Manny who is P4P top 2,in a fight most think he won. Also,MAB looked really good against Juarez the second time and was also P4P at the time. 3 losses JMM has had:1 on his debut,1 robbery in Indonesia and a close fight with Norwood which could have gone either way. Add all that up)he has win over 1 p4p fighter, and draw which should have been win.plus his losses are questionable) and he's P4P easily. In fact,I only see you as saying otherwise,unless I'm mistaken.

Calzaghe is King ! get over it.
Trawling through the history and what if books alters nothing.
Calzaghe is a winner !!

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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I just named what the general list consist of....The order means nothing to me...Like I said as long as Floyd stays at #1 however you want to rate the rest is up to you...I do not get into the whole P4P debate it is one that is never settled and no one is going to change anyone elses mind on it....An arguement not worth the effort to be honest...


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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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know what you mean, hopkins is to high to imo. as good as wright is, hopkins struggled and JUST beat a guy whos besta t light middle, hardly see how that puts u top 5 in the world.

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Truth is about Hopkins is he lost twice in 11 years...Twice!!!! and during that time holds the record for MW defenses, Jumped to LHW beat the top guy there with hardly breaking a sweat and became the ring champion....His losses to JT were not sound defeats either...also you have to look at the guys age.....Hard to go against BH as a top 3 guy in truth...Plus his resume is sound....Lets not turn this into a well Joe did this and that thing or a P4P debate like I said we all know how those go and it is a waste of time.....Everyones list differs...I just pretty much kept the list that most have you can pick the order....

Funny that not many people have brought up too many doubts about Vasquez though :-\....But like I said this is not a debate I am getting into...CC's to both in 24

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Calzaghe is King ! get over it.
Trawling through the history and what if books alters nothing.
Calzaghe is a winner !!

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I can see there is going to be some quality post from you coming along in the future ::**

Quote Daxx: "I can see there is going to be some quality post from you coming along in the future"

LMAO :D

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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Well Marquez.like JC,beat alot of decent fighters in his division:Medina etc etc he then drew with Manny who is P4P top 2,in a fight most think he won. Also,MAB looked really good against Juarez the second time and was also P4P at the time. 3 losses JMM has had:1 on his debut,1 robbery in Indonesia and a close fight with Norwood which could have gone either way. Add all that up)he has win over 1 p4p fighter, and draw which should have been win.plus his losses are questionable) and he's P4P easily. In fact,I only see you as saying otherwise,unless I'm mistaken.

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Hey Gamo, I absolutely agree Marquez is p4p and probably top 5 or 6 it's just that Calzaghe no matter who he beats and how he fights often seems to get overlooked.

If you compare Calzaghe's resume to Marquez Calzaghe's is better, FACT. It's not even up for discussion, Marquez has losses and including a recent one.

Marquez's defining fight came against a Barrerra who although still a great fighter was not at his peak and has been showed subsequently against Manny to have faded.

In fact when you consider all the guys in the current p4p Calzaghe is pretty much the only fighter who has cleaned out his division and beaten the best opposition when they were in their absolute primes.

floyd's still a clear number 1 IMO, but Joe I would think is somewhere in the top five.

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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Well Marquez.like JC,beat alot of decent fighters in his division:Medina etc etc he then drew with Manny who is P4P top 2,in a fight most think he won. Also,MAB looked really good against Juarez the second time and was also P4P at the time. 3 losses JMM has had:1 on his debut,1 robbery in Indonesia and a close fight with Norwood which could have gone either way. Add all that up)he has win over 1 p4p fighter, and draw which should have been win.plus his losses are questionable) and he's P4P easily. In fact,I only see you as saying otherwise,unless I'm mistaken.

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Hey Gamo, I absolutely agree Marquez is p4p and probably top 5 or 6 it's just that Calzaghe no matter who he beats and how he fights often seems to get overlooked.

If you compare Calzaghe's resume to Marquez Calzaghe's is better, FACT. It's not even up for discussion, Marquez has losses and including a recent one.

Marquez's defining fight came against a Barrerra who although still a great fighter was not at his peak and has been showed subsequently against Manny to have faded.

In fact when you consider all the guys in the current p4p Calzaghe is pretty much the only fighter who has cleaned out his division and beaten the best opposition when they were in their absolute primes.

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So now you are saying Calzaghe is P4P#1 one in your opp?.....

Cleaning out a division holds more weight then winning titles and beating top guys in multi divisions?

Explain yourself Hairy little man!!!

And lets not start a Calzaghe thread just elaborate on what you are saying on how you rate accomplishments

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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Well Marquez.like JC,beat alot of decent fighters in his division:Medina etc etc he then drew with Manny who is P4P top 2,in a fight most think he won. Also,MAB looked really good against Juarez the second time and was also P4P at the time. 3 losses JMM has had:1 on his debut,1 robbery in Indonesia and a close fight with Norwood which could have gone either way. Add all that up)he has win over 1 p4p fighter, and draw which should have been win.plus his losses are questionable) and he's P4P easily. In fact,I only see you as saying otherwise,unless I'm mistaken.

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Hey Gamo, I absolutely agree Marquez is p4p and probably top 5 or 6 it's just that Calzaghe no matter who he beats and how he fights often seems to get overlooked.

If you compare Calzaghe's resume to Marquez Calzaghe's is better, FACT. It's not even up for discussion, Marquez has losses and including a recent one.

Marquez's defining fight came against a Barrerra who although still a great fighter was not at his peak and has been showed subsequently against Manny to have faded.

In fact when you consider all the guys in the current p4p Calzaghe is pretty much the only fighter who has cleaned out his division and beaten the best opposition when they were in their absolute primes.

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I was not comparing resumes,merely using an analogy and I explained Marquez' wins and losses in my previous post.. Fighters can get old in 1 fight,the MAB that fought v Marquez was far better/more offensive minded than the MAB v Manny.

Joe has done so much more than JMM...

Thats even ignoring the fact that JMM lost to Barrera imo

Know what u mean daxx, but to me the P4P list is what happens now, not yester-year...

i don't like um to much, most place the guys they support in there, others seemed clueless to what they are for, i like what roy said about there being a p4p king and everyone else, pretty much what u said about floyd.

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I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

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I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

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Well Marquez.like JC,beat alot of decent fighters in his division:Medina etc etc he then drew with Manny who is P4P top 2,in a fight most think he won. Also,MAB looked really good against Juarez the second time and was also P4P at the time. 3 losses JMM has had:1 on his debut,1 robbery in Indonesia and a close fight with Norwood which could have gone either way. Add all that up)he has win over 1 p4p fighter, and draw which should have been win.plus his losses are questionable) and he's P4P easily. In fact,I only see you as saying otherwise,unless I'm mistaken.

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Hey Gamo, I absolutely agree Marquez is p4p and probably top 5 or 6 it's just that Calzaghe no matter who he beats and how he fights often seems to get overlooked.

If you compare Calzaghe's resume to Marquez Calzaghe's is better, FACT. It's not even up for discussion, Marquez has losses and including a recent one.

Marquez's defining fight came against a Barrerra who although still a great fighter was not at his peak and has been showed subsequently against Manny to have faded.

In fact when you consider all the guys in the current p4p Calzaghe is pretty much the only fighter who has cleaned out his division and beaten the best opposition when they were in their absolute primes.

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So now you are saying Calzaghe is P4P#1 one in your opp?.....

Cleaning out a division holds more weight then winning titles and beating top guys in multi divisions?

Explain yourself Hairy little man!!!

And lets not start a Calzaghe thread just elaborate on what you are saying on how you rate accomplishments

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Ok you lost me, when did I say Calzaghe was p4p number 1? ???

He's clearly not number one both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquaio have better resumes.

But my point is that he's always been rated below guys like JM Marquez, R Marquez and Isreal Vazquez but with his win over Kessler he is no and ifs and buts above all of those guys.

It sounds weird saying Joe should be at 3 as he's traditionally always been universally rated between 8 and 10 but his achievements are phenomenal.

He is now where B Hop was before the first Taylor fight and Hopkins was rated number 1 in the world at that time.

Floyd is number 1, no question he's an all time great and imo the best fighter of the last 20 years along with Roy Jones.

Manny Pacquauio is definitely number 2, he's a phenomenal career.

But there is nobody else in the world (other than the two above) who deserves to rated higher than Joe now imo. Without a doubt he's earned his spot. He has to be number 3 now all of the other guys have recent losses. He's a legend.

Well alrighty then Bilbo....Now that I understand how you came up with your answer....Not often that happens...

I now rate Joe #1 simply because he did what I wanted him to, beat another phenomenal fighter. I rate him high for what he has accomplished, but more because of his enormous potential even at this late stage of his career. He has the style to make other great fighters look one dimensional, only very special fighters can do that. He has never even come close to losing, nothing disputed and continuously dominating. Yes he even replaced Mayweather on my own list, simply because I have seen Mayweather look beatable, while Joe has not even been truly tested yet IMO.

Multiple titles in different weight classes mean nothing to me if you avoid the best those divisions offer. I know a number of them in the top P4P lists have moved up and weight and won a title, but unless they stick around long enough to clear that division out also, to me it is just another win.

I was always down on Joe before because of the opposition he has fought, but he has unified his division against feared opposition and did it easily. What many see as him beating "over-rated" opposition, I now realize it as Joe making that opposition look over rated.

Top five......no way i see him above manny or floyd. Right after seeing a single performace that good it's easy to not look at the whole picture so i could see people disagree with each other and rank him anywhere in the top five.

I can see Joe above JMM i do not think that is out of the question to think so. He has accomplished more i think being a champ for ten years beating everyone in his division and unifying. All that with out being tested or losing so yea he can possible have a spot over JMM. Also Deanrw i see were your going with jumping when i think clearing a division is better accomplishment in my view as well CC for good input.

I have Calzaghe 4th, behind Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Marquez.

I think Calzaghe is underrated in Britain partly because he is Welsh, and underrated in other parts because they see him as British. I think Hatton should be higher than Joe in the p4p list even now, but that is down to bias as well. Bias apart - neither can be the number one. Mayweather has to be there, and I can't see a conclusive argument against that. If Hatton beats him (please god) then he would have to be number one (second top 3 p4p he would have beaten).

1. Floyde Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. JMM
5. B Hop
6. Vasquez
7. Marquez
8. Ricky hatton
9. Winky Wright
10. Kelly Pavlik or Miguel Cotto

That is my list i think Joe has done enough to pass JMM on the list but i could be wrong.

1.) Floyd Mayweather
2.) Pac
3.) JMM
4.) J.calzaghe
5.)b-hop
6.) i vasquez
7.) hatton
8.) r.marquez
9.) cotto
10.) i dont know

even though joe had a great peformance i have him at four
jmm has a win against mab,jaca a good southpaw, and juarez thats good

I got him coming in at 6th


1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Bernard Hopkins
3 Manny Pacquiao
4 Joel Casamayor
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Joe Calzaghe
7 Ronald Wright
8 Shane Mosley
9 Miguel Cotto
10 Rafael Marquez

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1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Bernard Hopkins
3 Manny Pacquiao
4 Joel Casamayor
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Joe Calzaghe
7 Ronald Wright
8 Shane Mosley
9 Miguel Cotto
10 Rafael Marquez

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Not to change the topic, but what in the world has Joel Casamayor ever done to be ahead of Marquez, Calzaghe, or Winky?

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1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Bernard Hopkins
3 Manny Pacquiao
4 Joel Casamayor
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Joe Calzaghe
7 Ronald Wright
8 Shane Mosley
9 Miguel Cotto
10 Rafael Marquez

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Not to change the topic, but what in the world has Joel Casamayor ever done to be ahead of Marquez, Calzaghe, or Winky?

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He's never lost a fight, that's what.