Manfredo Lacy set... Hatton Mayweather undercard.

I like this fight. I love both fighters and I'd like to see how both fair with both coming off of surgeries and layoffs... This will be a very fan friendly fight and I look forward to it. Niether man do I expect to back down...

gotta fear for manfredo myself in this 1 he just doesnt have enough movement to stop Lacy teeing off with them bombs Lacy tko 5

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gotta fear for manfredo myself in this 1 he just doesnt have enough movement to stop Lacy teeing off with them bombs Lacy tko 5

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I tend to agree. But manfredo has more movement then he is usaually given credit for... If he can box he has a shot. Manfredo is ellusive with the right game plan. I tend to lean toward Lacy on this one but do give Peter a shot.

The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint shit. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

I'm taking Manfredo to beat the washed up Jeff Lacy. I see the shoulder injury Lacy had robbing him of his power. Without his power Lacy is pretty much a journeyman. And even as crappy as Manfredo is (and he's pretty crappy) he can still beat a journeyman.

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Do u honestly think Joe C could have beaten 168 Toney as easily as RJJ did? Do not get carried away there Wacko, Kessler is a similiar calibre fighter to 168 Toney which is fucken good, but even tho Joe won easy he didnt toy with Mikkel like Roy did with Toney. Paz was way past it but Roy almost knocked him into next week. I cant believe u think a 168 Joe would beat the RJJ that fought at 168. Joe Calzaghe has the best record ever @ 168, but RJJ was the better fighter.
I dont think RJJ lost a single round in those fights u mentioned and most of those names got KTFO early.

I am intrigued by this fight even though the outcome is 99% in favor of Lacy.

It's the only reason I would order the fight. Still, I am only ordering one or the other, either this or the Cotto-Mosley fight. The Cotto-Mosley undercard is a much better buy...

Yet that Lacy-Manfredo fight is such odd match up that I can't help but want to order the less appealing card.

I hope Lacy beats him decisively. Im sick of hearing about Manfredo and hearing his name mentioned among elite fighters. Im not sure who wins this one though. But even if Manfredo wins I still got to see David Banks make him look like absolute sh@t and that was good enough for me.

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I'm taking Manfredo to beat the washed up Jeff Lacy. I see the shoulder injury Lacy had robbing him of his power. Without his power Lacy is pretty much a journeyman. And even as crappy as Manfredo is (and he's pretty crappy) he can still beat a journeyman.

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Wow! I hope you are wrong, my man. Still, that any of us who have boxing knowledge (and you do) thinks that scares me.

Just like Mick breaking Calvin Brock down to his purest form last Friday.

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Do u honestly think Joe C could have beaten 168 Toney as easily as RJJ did? Do not get carried away there Wacko, Kessler is a similiar calibre fighter to 168 Toney which is fucken good, but even tho Joe won easy he didnt toy with Mikkel like Roy did with Toney. Paz was way past it but Roy almost knocked him into next week. I cant believe u think a 168 Joe would beat the RJJ that fought at 168. Joe Calzaghe has the best record ever @ 168, but RJJ was the better fighter.
I dont think RJJ lost a single round in those fights u mentioned and most of those names got KTFO early.

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First off...where did I say that Joe could have beaten Toney?

I didn't. I said that Roy hasn't done jack @ 168lbs compared to Joe...& he hasn't.

Once again...I never said that Joe could beat Roy @ 168lbs. Read that post...you'll see that you took my words out of context.

Again...Joe did more at 168lbs than Roy did. Again...outside of Toney, that list of names holds little to no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs either.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

My initial feeling is that this will be an easy fight for Lacy. However, Manfredo looks like a completely different (and much better) fighter when he has Roach in his corner.

Interesting match-up . got to respect Jeff for taking a solid fight after having the rotator injury and the inactivity.

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Roy was a marvel @168 too. Instead of hanging around at 168 where the opposition was weak he moved up. No doubt RJJ could have had 21 defenses @ 168 if he'd tried. Again i agree Joe has the better record @ 168 but if the RJJ that fought at 168 had fought Joe at any time in his career Roy would have won. I'm not saying Kessler was overrated or taking away from Joe's achievments they are great, he is a great great fighter, but i do not believe he is better than RJJ was at 168.

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Roy was a marvel @168 too. Instead of hanging around at 168 where the opposition was weak he moved up. No doubt RJJ could have had 21 defenses @ 168 if he'd tried. Again i agree Joe has the better record @ 168 but if the RJJ that fought at 168 had fought Joe at any time in his career Roy would have won. I'm not saying Kessler was overrated or taking away from Joe's achievments they are great, he is a great great fighter, but i do not believe he is better than RJJ was at 168.

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The proof is in the pudding.

If Joe moves up & fights 6 fighters at 175lbs & then retires...I wouldn't say that Calzaghe was better @ 175lbs than Roy was.

Joe did more & fought a better list of fighters @ 168lbs...you can't spin that too many different ways. Again...Roy WAS a great fighter...but he was great @ 175lbs where he established his dominance.

Also...nothing is certain regarding the RJJ at 168 walking through Joe...but it is fun to speculate. ;)

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Roy was a marvel @168 too. Instead of hanging around at 168 where the opposition was weak he moved up. No doubt RJJ could have had 21 defenses @ 168 if he'd tried. Again i agree Joe has the better record @ 168 but if the RJJ that fought at 168 had fought Joe at any time in his career Roy would have won. I'm not saying Kessler was overrated or taking away from Joe's achievments they are great, he is a great great fighter, but i do not believe he is better than RJJ was at 168.

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The proof is in the pudding.

If Joe moves up & fights 6 fighters at 175lbs & then retires...I wouldn't say that Calzaghe was better @ 175lbs than Roy was.

Joe did more & fought a better list of fighters @ 168lbs...you can't spin that too many different ways. Again...Roy WAS a great fighter...but he was great @ 175lbs where he established his dominance.

Also...nothing is certain regarding the RJJ at 168 walking through Joe...but it is fun to speculate. ;)

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Roy was a marvel @168 too. Instead of hanging around at 168 where the opposition was weak he moved up. No doubt RJJ could have had 21 defenses @ 168 if he'd tried. Again i agree Joe has the better record @ 168 but if the RJJ that fought at 168 had fought Joe at any time in his career Roy would have won. I'm not saying Kessler was overrated or taking away from Joe's achievments they are great, he is a great great fighter, but i do not believe he is better than RJJ was at 168.

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The proof is in the pudding.

If Joe moves up & fights 6 fighters at 175lbs & then retires...I wouldn't say that Calzaghe was better @ 175lbs than Roy was.

Joe did more & fought a better list of fighters @ 168lbs...you can't spin that too many different ways. Again...Roy WAS a great fighter...but he was great @ 175lbs where he established his dominance.

Also...nothing is certain regarding the RJJ at 168 walking through Joe...but it is fun to speculate. ;)

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Roy was a marvel @168 too. Instead of hanging around at 168 where the opposition was weak he moved up. No doubt RJJ could have had 21 defenses @ 168 if he'd tried. Again i agree Joe has the better record @ 168 but if the RJJ that fought at 168 had fought Joe at any time in his career Roy would have won. I'm not saying Kessler was overrated or taking away from Joe's achievments they are great, he is a great great fighter, but i do not believe he is better than RJJ was at 168.

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The proof is in the pudding.

If Joe moves up & fights 6 fighters at 175lbs & then retires...I wouldn't say that Calzaghe was better @ 175lbs than Roy was.

Joe did more & fought a better list of fighters @ 168lbs...you can't spin that too many different ways. Again...Roy WAS a great fighter...but he was great @ 175lbs where he established his dominance.

Also...nothing is certain regarding the RJJ at 168 walking through Joe...but it is fun to speculate. ;)

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roy jones was pretty fantastic at 160- 168 too.. the way he beat james toney was un believable at the time. it was like watching a magician Roy Jones. all of a sudden out of thin air..bamn bamn bamn.. Toney was dumbfounded . masterful performance by Jones. he also had solid performace with Hopkins and Hopkins was very good at that time. I think Id pick roy jones in his prime over anyone in the 160-175 range, in any boxing era . now Calzaghe has the tall awkward southpaw thing going and a good chin ,, but Jones was so fast and instinctive, reflexes like mongoose not to mention on hell of knockout punch. Would have been a goodin

how do you do a cool click ?

I would give a shot for Joe Calzaghe and Micheal Spinks to beat Roy between 168 and 175. But that is just a thought i proably get alot of shit for saying that but hell i going against the current i guess.

O yea you said 160 to i pick Hagler and also Monzon to have a shot at beating Roy as well.

One more i forgot to i think that Micheal Moore would be a hard fight at 175. Moore was pretty dominate when he was in lightheavy weight but most remeber him for losing to George Foreman. But i mean at lightweight he was very impressive with 22 wins i think all by knock out be a hard fight for Roy and i would favor Moore to win that one and thats all the fighters i am going to name.

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint shit. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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The same can be said about Calzaghe. The only names at Super Middleweight are Lacy and Kessler and Eubank who wasnt at his best though I haven't seen the Eubank fight. But I can't see any Hall of Fame names on Calzaghe's record(those that went on to have Hall of Fame careers rather then those who were already cemented like Eubank's career was.


But lets not compare records when we talk about fighters lets look at their styles, I think Roy would have handed Calzaghe his ass.

Calzaghe is a great fighter but Roy was a phonomenal one especially at light heavyweight, at super middleweight I can't see him losing. And I don't see Calzaghe dominating a prime super middleweight toney.


I'm not knocking Calzaghe trhough


And you saying that Roy didn't fight he best at Super Middleweight. James Toney was top2 p4p beside Pernell Whitaker back then wasnt he? I didn't read Ring Magazine back then so I don't know.

The best Super Middleweight when Roy fought him was James Toney.


You're right Calzaghe did more at Super Middleweight then Roy did.

I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.

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Roy was a marvel @168 too. Instead of hanging around at 168 where the opposition was weak he moved up. No doubt RJJ could have had 21 defenses @ 168 if he'd tried. Again i agree Joe has the better record @ 168 but if the RJJ that fought at 168 had fought Joe at any time in his career Roy would have won. I'm not saying Kessler was overrated or taking away from Joe's achievments they are great, he is a great great fighter, but i do not believe he is better than RJJ was at 168.

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The proof is in the pudding.

If Joe moves up & fights 6 fighters at 175lbs & then retires...I wouldn't say that Calzaghe was better @ 175lbs than Roy was.

Joe did more & fought a better list of fighters @ 168lbs...you can't spin that too many different ways. Again...Roy WAS a great fighter...but he was great @ 175lbs where he established his dominance.

Also...nothing is certain regarding the RJJ at 168 walking through Joe...but it is fun to speculate. ;)

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Gentlemen,

It was a pleasure to read a good boxing debate without either protagonist resorting to insults of each other of the boxers in question.

You both made good points. It's a shame there aren't so many posters like you.

Many regards

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I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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I fail to understand how you can say that. We are all entitled to our oppinions but really... 20%? WTF? Manfredo, love him or hate him is in the top 15 SMWs. He has cracked the top ten and fought for a world title(unearned I agree). But non the less, he has been there if for experience alone. Who's to say that Manfredo couldn't have withstood the same beating Lacy took for 12 rounds... We will never know. If Lacy slipped as many punches as Manfredo did on that final "flurry" then he may have done a little better. I do not think manfredo deserves or deserved a title shot but he bolongs where he is now and for someone to say that he is "the worst prize fighter" they had ever seen is just a rediculous statement.

Like I said, though, we are all entitled to our oppinions nomatter how rediculous they may be.

Manfredo will make a fight of it. I lean towards Lacy(even after he surgery)

I'm not totally surprised to see this thread hijacked by Joe Calzaghe arguments, but for me this is an interesting bout that can stand on its own two feet, and could well put the winner on the way to another title shot. I'm sure Lacy's team will have being doing a whole heap of rehabilitation on that shoulder, and I think the result could well hinge on how well that work has been going. If his shoulder's good, second round KO, if it doesnt' do the business, Lacy SD.

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I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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I fail to understand how you can say that. We are all entitled to our oppinions but really... 20%? WTF? Manfredo, love him or hate him is in the top 15 SMWs. He has cracked the top ten and fought for a world title(unearned I agree). But non the less, he has been there if for experience alone. Who's to say that Manfredo couldn't have withstood the same beating Lacy took for 12 rounds... We will never know. If Lacy slipped as many punches as Manfredo did on that final "flurry" then he may have done a little better. I do not think manfredo deserves or deserved a title shot but he bolongs where he is now and for someone to say that he is "the worst prize fighter" they had ever seen is just a rediculous statement.

Like I said, though, we are all entitled to our oppinions nomatter how rediculous they may be.

Manfredo will make a fight of it. I lean towards Lacy(even after he surgery)

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Well he wouldnt even be a fighter with a winning record if he wasnt from a tv show the guy is a joke for me sorry pride i just think he plain sucks

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I'm not totally surprised to see this thread hijacked by Joe Calzaghe arguments, but for me this is an interesting bout that can stand on its own two feet, and could well put the winner on the way to another title shot. I'm sure Lacy's team will have being doing a whole heap of rehabilitation on that shoulder, and I think the result could well hinge on how well that work has been going. If his shoulder's good, second round KO, if it doesnt' do the business, Lacy SD.

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Understandable. I think Manfredo can be more ellusive then people think. I think second round KO is a little over the top but I like I said I'm leaning toward Lacy but itle be a good fight!

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I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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I fail to understand how you can say that. We are all entitled to our oppinions but really... 20%? WTF? Manfredo, love him or hate him is in the top 15 SMWs. He has cracked the top ten and fought for a world title(unearned I agree). But non the less, he has been there if for experience alone. Who's to say that Manfredo couldn't have withstood the same beating Lacy took for 12 rounds... We will never know. If Lacy slipped as many punches as Manfredo did on that final "flurry" then he may have done a little better. I do not think manfredo deserves or deserved a title shot but he bolongs where he is now and for someone to say that he is "the worst prize fighter" they had ever seen is just a rediculous statement.

Like I said, though, we are all entitled to our oppinions nomatter how rediculous they may be.

Manfredo will make a fight of it. I lean towards Lacy(even after he surgery)

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Well he wouldnt even be a fighter with a winning record if he wasnt from a tv show the guy is a joke for me sorry pride i just think he plain sucks

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Like I said you are entitled to that but to say he didn't have a winning record prior to the show is more rediculousness... He was 21-0 prior to the show with wins over:

Grady Brewer: was 10-3 then
Frankie Randall: was 58-12 then
Victor Rosado: was 17-3 then
Sherwin Davis: was 17-0 then
Anthony Bonsante: was 25-3 then

Then the wins that consisted of
Miguel Espino- 9-1 Now:17-2
Joey Gilbert- 9-0 Now:16-1
Alfonso Gomez- 12-2 Now:18-3
(Sorry) but he won the second fight over a 16-0 Sergio Mora Now:19-0
Beat a used up but Game Scott Pemberton- 29-4
Joey Spina 19-0 Now:20-1
David Banks- 14-1 Now: 14-3

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I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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I fail to understand how you can say that. We are all entitled to our oppinions but really... 20%? WTF? Manfredo, love him or hate him is in the top 15 SMWs. He has cracked the top ten and fought for a world title(unearned I agree). But non the less, he has been there if for experience alone. Who's to say that Manfredo couldn't have withstood the same beating Lacy took for 12 rounds... We will never know. If Lacy slipped as many punches as Manfredo did on that final "flurry" then he may have done a little better. I do not think manfredo deserves or deserved a title shot but he bolongs where he is now and for someone to say that he is "the worst prize fighter" they had ever seen is just a rediculous statement.

Like I said, though, we are all entitled to our oppinions nomatter how rediculous they may be.

Manfredo will make a fight of it. I lean towards Lacy(even after he surgery)

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Well he wouldn't even be a fighter with a winning record if he wasn't from a tv show the guy is a joke for me sorry pride i just think he plain sucks

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Like I said you are entitled to that but to say he didn't have a winning record prior to the show is more rediculousness... He was 21-0 prior to the show with wins over:

Grady Brewer: was 10-3 then
Frankie Randall: was 58-12 then
Victor Rosado: was 17-3 then
Sherwin Davis: was 17-0 then
Anthony Bonsante: was 25-3 then

Then the wins that consisted of
Miguel Espino- 9-1 Now:17-2
Joey Gilbert- 9-0 Now:16-1
Alfonso Gomez- 12-2 Now:18-3
(Sorry) but he won the second fight over a 16-0 Sergio Mora Now:19-0
Beat a used up but Game Scott Pemberton- 29-4
Joey Spina 19-0 Now:20-1
David Banks- 14-1 Now: 14-3

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Sorry Pride id like to refraze my comments , he is the worst and undeserving height profile fighter Ive seen for a long time.
the key to the records of the guys hes beaten is "THEN" try looking at them now and look how many actually done anything ?
i know u like Manfredo and i don't mean any offence , as u r en tiltled to your opinion also :)
if he beats Lacy then good luck to him.

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I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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I fail to understand how you can say that.  We are all entitled to our oppinions but really...  20%?  WTF?  Manfredo, love him or hate him is in the top 15 SMWs.  He has cracked the top ten and fought for a world title(unearned I agree).  But non the less, he has been there if for experience alone.  Who's to say that Manfredo couldn't have withstood the same beating Lacy took for 12 rounds...  We will never know.  If Lacy slipped as many punches as Manfredo did on that final "flurry" then he may have done a little better.  I do not think manfredo deserves or deserved a title shot but he bolongs where he is now and for someone to say that he is "the worst prize fighter" they had ever seen is just a rediculous statement. 

Like I said, though, we are all entitled to our oppinions nomatter how rediculous they may be.

Manfredo will make a fight of it.  I lean towards Lacy(even after he surgery)

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Well he wouldn't even be a fighter with a winning record if he wasn't from a tv show the guy is a joke for me sorry pride i just think he plain sucks

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Like I said you are entitled to that but to say he didn't have a winning record prior to the show is more rediculousness...  He was 21-0 prior to the show with wins over:

Grady Brewer: was 10-3 then
Frankie Randall: was 58-12 then
Victor Rosado: was 17-3 then
Sherwin Davis: was 17-0 then
Anthony Bonsante: was 25-3 then

Then the wins that consisted of
Miguel Espino- 9-1  Now:17-2
Joey Gilbert- 9-0  Now:16-1
Alfonso Gomez- 12-2  Now:18-3
(Sorry) but he won the second fight over a 16-0 Sergio Mora  Now:19-0
Beat a used up but Game Scott Pemberton- 29-4
Joey Spina 19-0  Now:20-1
David Banks- 14-1  Now: 14-3

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Sorry Pride id like to refraze my comments , he is the worst and undeserving height profile fighter Ive seen for a long time.
the key to the records of the guys hes beaten is "THEN" try looking at them now and look how many actually done anything ?
i know u like Manfredo and i don't mean any offence , as u r en tiltled to your opinion also :)
if he beats Lacy then good luck to him.

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Refrazed I understand and tend to agree to a certain extent...  Basicly you're saying he is highly over rated and undeserving of his ranking and that being said you are pretty much right.  The show put him up there and these other guys want to fight higher profile guys like himself so now I understand. 

To answer what you said about the guys on his record not doing much since then... Well many of the fighters he was fighting were aging at the time.  Of course his record is gonna look like that...  The kid was 20-23 years old...  Most fightes don't start fighting guys with 15-0 through 17-0 records until their mid 20's... 

The kid is only 26 and about to fight Jeff Lacy...  Many people believe this to be a good match up with Lacy coming out on top. 

People tend to forget that Manfredo has never been knocked down, never mind knocked out.

Seems to me that minus winning a vacant Belt their records look very similar

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I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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I fail to understand how you can say that. We are all entitled to our oppinions but really... 20%? WTF? Manfredo, love him or hate him is in the top 15 SMWs. He has cracked the top ten and fought for a world title(unearned I agree). But non the less, he has been there if for experience alone. Who's to say that Manfredo couldn't have withstood the same beating Lacy took for 12 rounds... We will never know. If Lacy slipped as many punches as Manfredo did on that final "flurry" then he may have done a little better. I do not think manfredo deserves or deserved a title shot but he bolongs where he is now and for someone to say that he is "the worst prize fighter" they had ever seen is just a rediculous statement.

Like I said, though, we are all entitled to our oppinions nomatter how rediculous they may be.

Manfredo will make a fight of it. I lean towards Lacy(even after he surgery)

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Well he wouldn't even be a fighter with a winning record if he wasn't from a tv show the guy is a joke for me sorry pride i just think he plain sucks

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Like I said you are entitled to that but to say he didn't have a winning record prior to the show is more rediculousness... He was 21-0 prior to the show with wins over:

Grady Brewer: was 10-3 then
Frankie Randall: was 58-12 then
Victor Rosado: was 17-3 then
Sherwin Davis: was 17-0 then
Anthony Bonsante: was 25-3 then

Then the wins that consisted of
Miguel Espino- 9-1 Now:17-2
Joey Gilbert- 9-0 Now:16-1
Alfonso Gomez- 12-2 Now:18-3
(Sorry) but he won the second fight over a 16-0 Sergio Mora Now:19-0
Beat a used up but Game Scott Pemberton- 29-4
Joey Spina 19-0 Now:20-1
David Banks- 14-1 Now: 14-3

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Sorry Pride id like to refraze my comments , he is the worst and undeserving height profile fighter Ive seen for a long time.
the key to the records of the guys hes beaten is "THEN" try looking at them now and look how many actually done anything ?
i know u like Manfredo and i don't mean any offence , as u r en tiltled to your opinion also :)
if he beats Lacy then good luck to him.

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Refrazed I understand and tend to agree to a certain extent... Basicly you're saying he is highly over rated and undeserving of his ranking and that being said you are pretty much right. The show put him up there and these other guys want to fight higher profile guys like himself so now I understand.

To answer what you said about the guys on his record not doing much since then... Well many of the fighters he was fighting were aging at the time. Of course his record is gonna look like that... The kid was 20-23 years old... Most fightes don't start fighting guys with 15-0 through 17-0 records until their mid 20's...

The kid is only 26 and about to fight Jeff Lacy... Many people believe this to be a good match up with Lacy coming out on top.

People tend to forget that Manfredo has never been knocked down, never mind knocked out.

Seems to me that minus winning a vacant Belt their records look very similar

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Yes you make a fair point.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I think that any fighter who is a FIGHTER can beat Manfredo.
if Lacy ( who is over rated by the way ) is 20 % he KO'S Manfredo , who is simply one of the worst prize fighters i have ever had the misfortune to see fight.:)xr

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I fail to understand how you can say that. We are all entitled to our oppinions but really... 20%? WTF? Manfredo, love him or hate him is in the top 15 SMWs. He has cracked the top ten and fought for a world title(unearned I agree). But non the less, he has been there if for experience alone. Who's to say that Manfredo couldn't have withstood the same beating Lacy took for 12 rounds... We will never know. If Lacy slipped as many punches as Manfredo did on that final "flurry" then he may have done a little better. I do not think manfredo deserves or deserved a title shot but he bolongs where he is now and for someone to say that he is "the worst prize fighter" they had ever seen is just a rediculous statement.

Like I said, though, we are all entitled to our oppinions nomatter how rediculous they may be.

Manfredo will make a fight of it. I lean towards Lacy(even after he surgery)

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Well he wouldn't even be a fighter with a winning record if he wasn't from a tv show the guy is a joke for me sorry pride i just think he plain sucks

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Like I said you are entitled to that but to say he didn't have a winning record prior to the show is more rediculousness... He was 21-0 prior to the show with wins over:

Grady Brewer: was 10-3 then
Frankie Randall: was 58-12 then
Victor Rosado: was 17-3 then
Sherwin Davis: was 17-0 then
Anthony Bonsante: was 25-3 then

Then the wins that consisted of
Miguel Espino- 9-1 Now:17-2
Joey Gilbert- 9-0 Now:16-1
Alfonso Gomez- 12-2 Now:18-3
(Sorry) but he won the second fight over a 16-0 Sergio Mora Now:19-0
Beat a used up but Game Scott Pemberton- 29-4
Joey Spina 19-0 Now:20-1
David Banks- 14-1 Now: 14-3

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Sorry Pride id like to refraze my comments , he is the worst and undeserving height profile fighter Ive seen for a long time.
the key to the records of the guys hes beaten is "THEN" try looking at them now and look how many actually done anything ?
i know u like Manfredo and i don't mean any offence , as u r en tiltled to your opinion also :)
if he beats Lacy then good luck to him.

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Refrazed I understand and tend to agree to a certain extent... Basicly you're saying he is highly over rated and undeserving of his ranking and that being said you are pretty much right. The show put him up there and these other guys want to fight higher profile guys like himself so now I understand.

To answer what you said about the guys on his record not doing much since then... Well many of the fighters he was fighting were aging at the time. Of course his record is gonna look like that... The kid was 20-23 years old... Most fightes don't start fighting guys with 15-0 through 17-0 records until their mid 20's...

The kid is only 26 and about to fight Jeff Lacy... Many people believe this to be a good match up with Lacy coming out on top.

People tend to forget that Manfredo has never been knocked down, never mind knocked out.

Seems to me that minus winning a vacant Belt their records look very similar

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Yes you make a fair point.

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CC, my man... As do you!

This will be exciting. I saw lacy was fighting on the undercard on 8th Dec but thought he'd get some journeyman fighter. This will be tough. Lacy was disgraceful against typsko, i was shocked seeing the fighter he has become. Calzaghe has destroyed him mentally. I would like to see lacy make a comeback onto the scene though.

Lacy will kick the ever living piss out of Petey the Koala bear ;) hope that was insightful enough.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Lacy will kick the ever living piss out of Petey the Koala bear ;) hope that was insightful enough.

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To bad for Lacy he won't be allowed to kick in the fight. I'm telling you if Lacy loses his power he's finished as a fighter. What's he going to do without it? Box? Become a defensive master? I doubt that. Lacy is a power hitter. Without it he's a journeyman.

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Lacy will kick the ever living piss out of Petey the Koala bear ;) hope that was insightful enough.

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To bad for Lacy he won't be allowed to kick in the fight. I'm telling you if Lacy loses his power he's finished as a fighter. What's he going to do without it? Box? Become a defensive master? I doubt that. Lacy is a power hitter. Without it he's a journeyman.

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I think you'll be suprised, on how good of shape he will be. Not to mention he has power in both hands

I hope Lacy mushes Manfraudo's face into a bigger mess than it already is. If Lacy can't beat this guy, then he needs to go to college and get a degree in something.