Who should be rated higher on the all time Greatest Heavies Holyfeild or Tyson

I was thinking about this and i always rate Tyson higher on the Top heavy list but I took a look at Holyfeild wins and i think he may had better wins. I mean Holyfield was a the only 4 time champion every in Boxing and not to many consider him a top 10 heavyweight. But looking at his best wins which were Bowe ,Copper, Moorer, Old Forman, Old Holmes, Tyson, Mercer, Bean and Ruiz. I just think Holyfield might be ranked higher then Tyson any thoughts on it.

Reason i think people forget how good Holyfeild was is because he just fought past his prime for so long.

boxer: Mike Tyson
Global ID 474
sex male
birth date 1966-06-30
division heavyweight
nationality United States
alias Iron
residence Phoenix, Arizona, United States
birth place Brooklyn, NY, USA
birth name Michael Gerard Tyson
stance orthodox
height 5′ 10″
reach 71“
US ID NV011956
won 50 (KO 44) + lost 6 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 58
biography Wiki Biography

bouts
Lb St Kg date AscendingDescending print

date Lb opponent Lb W - L - D last 6 location
2005-06-11 233 Kevin McBride 271 32-4-1

MCI Center, Washington, District of Columbia, United States L TKO 6 10 Wiki
~ time: 3:00 | referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Steve Rados 57-55 | judge: Tammye Jenkins 57-55 | judge: Paul Artisst 55-57 ~

2004-07-30 233 Danny Williams 265 31-3-0

Freedom Hall State Fairground, Louisville, Kentucky, United States L KO 4 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:51 | referee: Dennis Alfred | judge: Dan McLellan | judge: Johnny Monson | judge: Steve Ryan ~

2003-02-22 225¾ Clifford Etienne 222¾ 24-1-1

The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States W KO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 0:49 | referee: Bill Clancy ~

2002-06-08 234 Lennox Lewis 249¼ 39-2-1

The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States L KO 8 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:25 | referee: Eddie Cotton | judge: Alfred Buqwana | judge: Anek Hongtongkam | judge: Bob Logist ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~
Lewis vacated the IBF title after this fight

2001-10-13 239¾ Brian Nielsen 259¾ 62-1-0

Parken, Copenhagen, Denmark W RTD 7 10 Wiki
~ referee: Steve Smoger | judge: Marty Denkin | judge: Erkki Meronen | judge: Daniel Van de Wiele ~

2000-10-20 222 Andrew Golota 240 36-4-0

The Palace, Auburn Hills, Michigan, United States NC NC 3 10 Wiki
~ referee: Frank Garza | judge: Brad Wright | judge: Bernard Teachout | judge: Rosemary Grable ~
Golota down in 1st. Michigan Commission changes the result from a TKO after 2 for Tyson to an NC, due to Tyson testing positive for marijuana after the fight.

2000-06-24 225 Lou Savarese 241¼ 39-3-0

Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom W TKO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 0:38 | referee: John Coyle ~

2000-01-29 223½ Julius Francis 244½ 21-7-0

M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W TKO 2 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:03 | referee: Roy Francis ~
Francis down twice in the 1st and three times in the 2nd.

1999-10-23 223 Orlin Norris 218 50-5-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States NC NC 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 3:00 | referee: Richard Steele ~

1999-01-16 223 Francois Botha 233¾ 39-1-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 5 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:59 | referee: Richard Steele ~

1997-06-28 218 Evander Holyfield 218 33-3-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L DQ 3 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Jerry Roth 26-29 | judge: Chuck Giampa 26-29 | judge: Duane Ford 26-29 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
Tyson disqualified for twice biting Holyfield's ears, claiming he was retaliating to headbutting by Holyfield.

1996-11-09 222 Evander Holyfield 215 32-3-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L TKO 11 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Dalby Shirley 92-96 | judge: Frederico Vollmer 93-100 | judge: Jerry Roth 92-96 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

1996-09-07 219 Bruce Seldon 229 33-3-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:49 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Chuck Giampa | judge: Bill Graham | judge: Dave Moretti ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

1996-03-16 220 Frank Bruno 247 40-4-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 3 12 Wiki
~ time: 0:50 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Larry O'Connell 20-17 | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 20-17 | judge: Jerry Roth 20-17 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~

1995-12-16 219 Buster Mathis Jr. 224 20-0-0

Core States Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 3 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:32 | referee: Frank Cappuccino ~

1995-08-19 220 Peter McNeeley 224 36-1-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W DQ 1 10 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane ~

1991-06-28 216 Donovan Ruddock 238 24-2-1

Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Chuck Giampa 113-109 | judge: Art Lurie 114-108 | judge: Dalby Shirley 114-108 ~

1991-03-18 217 Donovan Ruddock 228 24-1-1

Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 7 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:22 | referee: Richard Steele | 59-53 | 59-53 | 59-53 ~

1990-12-08 217¾ Alex Stewart 218 26-1-0

Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:27 | referee: Frank Cappuccino ~

1990-06-16 217 Henry Tillman 215 20-4-0

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:47 | referee: Richard Steele ~

1990-02-11 220½ James Buster Douglas 231½ 29-4-1

Tokyo Dome, Tokyo, Japan L KO 10 12 Wiki
~ referee: Octavio Meyran | judge: Larry Rozadilla 82-88 | judge: Ken Morita 87-86 | judge: Masakazu Uchida 86-86 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1989-07-21 219¼ Carl Williams 218 22-2-0

Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 1 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:33 | referee: Randy Neumann | judge: Richard F. Murry | judge: Chuck Giampa | judge: Rocky Castellani ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1989-02-25 218 Frank Bruno 228 32-2-0

Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 5 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:55 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Jerry Roth 40-35 | judge: Omar Minton 40-34 | judge: Rodolfo Maldonado 40-34 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
Bruno penalized one point in the 1st for holding and he was also dropped in the 1st.

1988-06-27 218¼ Michael Spinks 212¼ 31-0-0

Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:31 | referee: Frank Cappuccino | judge: Eva Shain | judge: John Stewart | judge: Rocky Castellani ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1988-03-21 216¼ Tony Tubbs 238¼ 24-1-0

Tokyo Dome, Tokyo, Japan W TKO 2 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:54 | referee: Arthur Mercante | judge: Larry Rozadilla 9-10 | judge: Ken Morita 10-10 | judge: Masakazu Uchida 10-9 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1988-01-22 215¾ Larry Holmes 225¾ 48-2-0

Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 4 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:55 | referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Charley Spina 29-28 | judge: Nicasio L. Drake 30-27 | judge: Rudy Ortega 29-28 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1987-10-16 216 Tyrell Biggs 228¾ 15-0-0

Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 7 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:59 | referee: Tony Orlando | judge: Al Wilensky 60-54 | judge: John Stewart 60-54 | judge: Frank Brunette 60-52 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1987-08-01 221 Tony Tucker 221 35-0-0

Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Julio Roldan 118-113 | judge: Phil Newman 119-111 | judge: Bill Graham 117-112 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1987-05-30 218¾ Pinklon Thomas 217¾ 29-1-1

Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 6 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:00 | referee: Carlos Padilla | judge: Dalby Shirley 49-46 | judge: Gordon Volkman 50-44 | judge: Harry Gibbs 49-46 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

1987-03-07 219 James Smith 233 19-5-0

Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Lou Tabat 120-106 | judge: Dalby Shirley 119-107 | judge: Jose J. Guerra 119-107 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

1986-11-22 221¼ Trevor Berbick 218½ 31-4-1

Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 2 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:35 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Harry Gibbs 10-8 | judge: Dave Moretti 10-9 | judge: Rudy Ortega 10-9 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
Berbick knocked down twice in round 2. After trying to rise from the second knockdown he fell another two times.

1986-09-06 221½ Alonzo Ratliff 201 21-3-0

Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 2 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:41 ~

1986-08-17 213 Jose Ribalta 211½ 23-3-1

Trump Plaza, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Rudy Battle ~
Ribalta down in 2nd, 8th, and 10th.

1986-07-26 217 Marvis Frazier 210½ 16-1-0

Civic Center, Glens Falls, New York, United States W KO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 0:30 | referee: Joe Cortez ~

1986-07-11 219¾ Lorenzo Boyd 198¼ 14-5-0

Stevensville Hotel, Swan Lake, New York, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:43 | referee: Sid Rubenstein ~

1986-06-28 217 William Hosea 215 12-3-0

Rensselaer P.I., Troy, New York, United States W KO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:03 | referee: Harry Papacaralambolous ~

1986-06-13 217 Reggie Gross 218 17-4-0

Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 1 10 Wiki
~ referee: Johnny LoBianco ~

1986-05-20 215¼ Mitch Green 225 16-1-1

Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Luis Rivera | 8-2 | 9-1 | 9-1 ~

1986-05-03 215 James Tillis 207¾ 31-8-0

Civic Center, Glens Falls, New York, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Bernie Friedkin 6-4 | judge: Al Reid 6-4 | judge: Tony Moret 8-2 ~
Tillis down in 4th.

1986-03-10 220½ Steve Zouski 210 25-9-0

Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, New York, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:39 | referee: Arthur Mercante ~

1986-02-16 217 Jesse Ferguson 211¾ 14-1-0

Rensselaer P.I., Troy, New York, United States W TKO 6 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:19 | referee: Luis Rivera ~
Ferguson, while down in 5th, was disqualified for excessive holding. However the official result given by the New York State Athletic Commission is a TKO.

1986-01-24 215 Mike Jameson 236¼ 14-9-0

Trump Plaza, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 5 8 Wiki
~ time: 0:46 | referee: Joe Cortez ~
Jameson down in 4th and 5th

1986-01-11 217 David Jaco 210 19-5-0

Plaza Convention Center, Albany, New York, United States W TKO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:16 ~
Jaco was down three times, triggering the three knockdown rule

1985-12-27 219 Mark Young 206¾ 8-6-0

Latham Coliseum, Latham, New York, United States W TKO 1 0 Wiki
~ time: 0:50 | referee: Sid Rubenstein ~

1985-12-06 215 Sammy Scaff 250 13-6-0

Felt Forum, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:19 | referee: Fred Ucci | judge: Billy Graham | judge: Bernie Friedkin | judge: Eva Shain ~

1985-11-22 221 Conroy Nelson 216 15-7-2

Latham Coliseum, Latham, New York, United States W TKO 2 0 Wiki
1985-11-13 219 Eddie Richardson 212 10-2-0

Houston, Texas, United States W KO 1 0 Wiki
~ time: 1:17 | referee: Barry Yeats ~

1985-11-01 221 Sterling Benjamin 227 4-6-1

Latham Coliseum, Latham, New York, United States W TKO 1 0 Wiki
~ time: 0:54 ~

1985-10-25 217 Robert Colay 224¼ 8-5-1

Atlantis Hotel, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 8 Wiki
~ time: 0:37 | referee: Ted Pick ~

1985-10-09 215¾ Donnie Long 215¾ 15-3-0

Trump Casino Hotel, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 1:28 | referee: Frank Cappuccino ~
Long down three times

1985-09-05 219½ Michael Johnson 196 11-5-0

Atlantis Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 0:39 | referee: Frank Cappuccino ~

1985-08-15 213½ Lorenzo Canady 203½ 3-0-0

Resorts International, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 1:05 | referee: Joe Cortez ~

1985-07-19 217¼ Larry Sims 217 3-16-3

Mid-Hudson Civic Center, Poughkeepsie, New York, United States W KO 3 6 Wiki
~ time: 2:04 | referee: Joe Cortez ~

1985-07-11 215¾ John Alderson 226½ 3-0-0

Trump Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 2 6 Wiki
~ referee: Frank Cappuccino ~

1985-06-20 217 Ricardo Spain 184½ 1-0-0
Resorts International, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 0:39 | referee: Joe O'Neil ~
Spain down twice

1985-05-23 212 Don Halpin 212 9-18-0

Albany, New York, United States W KO 4 4 Wiki
1985-04-10 214¼ Trent Singleton 198½ 1-3-0

Albany, New York, United States W TKO 1 4 Wiki
1985-03-06 214 Hector Mercedes 199¾ 0-1-0
Plaza Convention Center, Albany, New York, United States W TKO 1 4 Wiki
~ time: 1:47 | referee: Luis Rivera ~
Pro debut for Tyson

boxer: Evander Holyfield
Global ID 499
sex male
birth date 1962-10-19
age 45
manager/agent register
division heavyweight
rating 67 / 948
nationality United States
alias The Real Deal
residence Atlanta, Georgia, United States
birth place Atmore, AL, USA
stance orthodox
height 6′ 2½″
reach 78“
US ID GA010931
won 42 (KO 27) + lost 9 (KO 2) + drawn 2 = 53
biography Wiki Biography

bouts
Lb St Kg date AscendingDescending print

date Lb opponent Lb W - L - D last 6 location
2007-10-13 211½ Sultan Ibragimov 219 21-0-1

Khodynka Ice Palace, Moscow, Russia L UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Raul Caiz | judge: Chuck Giampa 111-117 | judge: Ruben Garcia, Dr. 110-118 | judge: Tom Miller 111-117 ~
~ WBO heavyweight title ~

2007-06-30 219 Lou Savarese 242 46-6-0

Don Haskins Center, El Paso, Texas, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Jesse Reyes | judge: Ray Hawkins 99-87 | judge: Jerry Wright 98-90 | judge: Glenn Rick Crocker 96-91 ~

2007-03-17 216 Vinny Maddalone 233¾ 27-3-0

American Bank Center, Corpus Christi, Texas, United States W TKO 3 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:48 | referee: Ruben Carrion | judge: Robert Bish | judge: Ruben Garcia, Dr. | judge: Lucy Rogers ~

2006-11-10 217¾ Fres Oquendo 220 26-3-0

Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Laurence Cole | judge: Wilfredo Esperon 116-111 | judge: Joel Elizondo 114-113 | judge: Glenn Rick Crocker 114-113 ~
~ vacant USBA heavyweight title ~

2006-08-18 220 Jeremy Bates 225½ 21-11-1

American Airlines Center, Dallas, Texas, United States W TKO 2 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:56 | referee: Rafael Ramos | judge: Gale Van Hoy 10-9 | judge: Don Griffin 10-9 | judge: Neal Young 10-9 ~

2004-11-13 215½ Larry Donald 226½ 41-3-2

Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States L UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mike Ortega | judge: Wynn Kintz 109-119 | judge: Robert Gilson 109-118 | judge: Melvina Lathan 109-119 ~
Vacant NABC Heavyweight Title

2003-10-04 219 James Toney 217 66-4-2

Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L TKO 9 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:42 | referee: Jay Nady ~
Holyfield down in 9th; Holyfield corner throws in the towel.

2002-12-14 220 Chris Byrd 214 35-2-0

Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States L UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Randy Neumann | judge: John Stewart 112-116 | judge: Eugene Grant 111-117 | judge: Steve Weisfeld 111-117 ~
~ vacant IBF heavyweight title ~

2002-06-01 216 Hasim Rahman 224 35-3-0

Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TD 8 12 Wiki
~ referee: Tony Orlando | judge: John Stewart 69-64 | judge: Melvina Lathan 66-67 | judge: Steve Weisfeld 69-64 ~
WBA Heavyweight Title Eliminator

2001-12-15 219 John Ruiz 232 37-4-0

Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket, Connecticut, United States D PTS 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Steve Smoger | judge: Don O'Neill 113-115 | judge: Julie Lederman 116-112 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 114-114 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

2001-03-03 217 John Ruiz 227 36-4-0

Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 110-116 | judge: Chuck Giampa 111-115 | judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 111-114 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

2000-08-12 221 John Ruiz 224 36-3-0

Paris Las Vegas, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Richard Steele | judge: Duane Ford 114-113 | judge: Dave Moretti 114-113 | judge: Fernando Viso 116-112 ~
~ vacant WBA heavyweight title ~

1999-11-13 217 Lennox Lewis 242 34-1-1

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Chuck Giampa 112-116 | judge: Bill Graham 111-117 | judge: Jerry Roth 113-115 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ vacant IBO heavyweight title ~

1999-03-13 215 Lennox Lewis 245 34-1-0

Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States D PTS 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 113-116 | judge: Eugenia Williams 115-113 | judge: Larry O'Connell 115-115 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1998-09-19 217 Vaughn Bean 231 31-1-0

Georgia Dome, Atlanta, Georgia, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Brian Garry | judge: Leroy Brown 117-110 | judge: Al DeVito 117-110 | judge: Duane Ford 116-111 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
Bean down in 10th.

1997-11-08 214 Michael Moorer 223 39-1-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 8 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Jerry Roth 78-69 | judge: Glen Hamada 78-70 | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 78-69 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1997-06-28 218 Mike Tyson 218 45-2-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W DQ 3 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Jerry Roth 29-26 | judge: Chuck Giampa 29-26 | judge: Duane Ford 29-26 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
Tyson disqualified for twice biting Holyfield's ears, claiming he was retaliating to headbutting by Holyfield.

1996-11-09 215 Mike Tyson 222 45-1-0

MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 11 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Dalby Shirley 96-92 | judge: Frederico Vollmer 100-93 | judge: Jerry Roth 96-92 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

1996-05-10 211 Bobby Czyz 211 44-6-0

Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 5 10 Wiki
~ referee: Ron Lipton ~

1995-11-04 213 Riddick Bowe 240 37-1-0

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L TKO 8 12 Wiki
~ time: 0:58 | referee: Joe Cortez ~

1995-05-20 209 Ray Mercer 224 23-2-1

Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Ron Lipton | judge: Eugene Grant 96-93 | judge: Eva Shain 97-92 | judge: Eugenia Williams 95-94 ~

1994-04-22 214 Michael Moorer 214 34-0-0

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L MD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Jerry Roth 114-115 | judge: Chuck Giampa 112-116 | judge: Dalby Shirley 114-114 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
Moorer down in 2nd.

1993-11-06 217 Riddick Bowe 246 34-0-0

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W MD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Jerry Roth 115-113 | judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 115-114 | judge: Chuck Giampa 114-114 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1993-06-26 212 Alex Stewart 228 32-4-0

Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ judge: Eugene Grant 119-109 | judge: Frank Brunette 118-110 | judge: Al DeVito 118-110 ~

1992-11-13 205 Riddick Bowe 235 31-0-0

Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Chuck Giampa 112-115 | judge: Jerry Roth 110-117 | judge: Dalby Shirley 110-117 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1992-06-19 210 Larry Holmes 233 54-3-0

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Carol Castellano 116-112 | judge: Chuck Giampa 116-112 | judge: Glen Hamada 117-111 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1991-11-23 210 Bert Cooper 215 26-7-0

The Omni, Atlanta, Georgia, United States W TKO 7 12 Wiki
~ time: 2:58 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Isidro Rodriguez 58-54 | judge: John Rupert 59-54 | judge: Sheila Harmon 59-53 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1991-04-19 208 George Foreman 257 69-2-0

Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 12 12 Wiki
~ referee: Rudy Battle | judge: Eugene Grant 116-111 | judge: Jerry Roth 117-110 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 115-112 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1990-10-25 208 James Buster Douglas 246 30-4-1

Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 3 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:10 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Dave Moretti 20-18 | judge: Jerry Roth 20-18 | judge: Chuck Giampa 20-18 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1990-06-01 210 Seamus McDonagh 211¾ 19-1-1

Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 4 12 Wiki
~ referee: Joe Cortez ~
~ WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title ~

1989-11-04 212 Alex Stewart 213 24-0-0

Trump Plaza, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 8 12 Wiki
~ referee: Tony Perez ~
~ WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title ~

1989-07-15 207 Adilson Rodrigues 221 35-2-0

Caesars Tahoe, Stateline, Nevada, United States W KO 2 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:29 | referee: Mills Lane ~
~ WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title ~

1989-03-11 208 Michael Dokes 225 37-1-2

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 10 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:41 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Dalby Shirley | judge: Dave Moretti | judge: Paul Smith ~
~ WBC Continental Americas heavyweight title ~

1988-12-09 210 Pinklon Thomas 222 29-2-1

Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W RTD 7 10 Wiki
~ time: 3:00 | referee: Tony Perez | judge: Rocky Castellani 70-60 | judge: Eugene Grant 69-63 | judge: Frank Brunette 70-61 ~

1988-07-16 202 James Tillis 210 38-13-1

Caesars Tahoe, Stateline, Nevada, United States W TKO 5 10 Wiki
~ referee: Richard Steele ~
Corner retirement after 5th

1988-04-09 190 Carlos De Leon 188 43-4-0

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 8 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:08 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Dalby Shirley 70-61 | judge: Bob Watson 69-64 | judge: Larry O'Connell 70-63 ~
~ WBC cruiserweight title ~
~ WBA cruiserweight title ~
~ IBF cruiserweight title ~

1987-12-05 187 Dwight Muhammad Qawi 190 28-4-1

Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 4 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:30 | referee: Randy Neumann | judge: Eugene Grant 30-27 | judge: Phil Newman 29-28 | judge: Frank Cairo 29-28 ~
~ WBA cruiserweight title ~
~ IBF cruiserweight title ~
Qawi was dropped twice in the 4th round.

1987-08-15 189 Ossie Ocasio 190 21-4-1

SaintTropez, France W TKO 11 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:24 | referee: John Coyle | judge: Antonio Requena 100-92 | judge: Contimanza Amadeo 99-94 | judge: Fernando Viso 99-94 ~
~ WBA cruiserweight title ~
~ IBF cruiserweight title ~

1987-05-15 188 Ricky Parkey 187½ 20-4-0

Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 3 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:44 | referee: Davey Pearl | judge: Frank Cairo 20-18 | judge: Mike Glienna 20-18 | judge: Cindy Bartin 20-18 ~
~ WBA cruiserweight title ~
~ IBF cruiserweight title ~

1987-02-14 188½ Henry Tillman 189 14-1-0

Bally's Hotel & Casino, Reno, Nevada, United States W TKO 7 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:43 | referee: Carlos Padilla | judge: Harold Lederman 59-54 | judge: Jerry Roth 60-53 | judge: Lou Moret 60-53 ~
~ WBA cruiserweight title ~
Tillman down once in round 2 and three times in round 7 (three knockdown rule).

1986-12-08 186 Mike Brothers 14-5-0

Paris, Paris, France W TKO 3 10 Wiki
1986-07-12 186 Dwight Muhammad Qawi 189¾ 26-2-1

The Omni, Atlanta, Georgia, United States W SD 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Vincent Rainone | judge: Harold Lederman 144-140 | judge: Gordon Volkman 141-143 | judge: Elias Quintana 147-138 ~
~ WBA cruiserweight title ~

1986-05-28 190 Terry Mims 188¼ 12-11-0

Metairie, Louisiana, United States W KO 5 10 Wiki
1986-04-06 185 Jesse Shelby 12-2-1

Corpus Christi, Texas, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
1986-03-01 184½ Chisanda Mutti 192 21-5-2

Americana Host Farm Resort, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, United States W TKO 3 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:37 | referee: Tony Wolfe ~

1985-12-21 185½ Anthony Davis 186 17-3-0

Pavilion, Virginia Beach, Virginia, United States W TKO 4 10 Wiki
~ referee: Al Rothenberg ~

1985-10-30 182½ Jeff Meachem 184 4-1-0

Harrah's Marina Hotel Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 5 8 Wiki
~ time: 1:02 | referee: Larry Hazzard ~
Meachem down in 3rd, 4th and 5th

1985-08-29 184 Rick Myers 7-11-1

Atlanta, Georgia, United States W TKO 1 8 Wiki
1985-07-20 180 Tyrone Booze 180 10-3-2

The Scope, Norfolk, Virginia, United States W UD 8 8 Wiki
~ referee: Ernie Green ~

1985-04-20 176 Mark Rivera 169 12-1-0

Corpus Christi, Texas, United States W TKO 2 8 Wiki
~ time: 2:46 ~
In the 2nd round Rivera took two standing 8-counts and finally was knocked down.

1985-03-13 177¼ Fred Brown 169 19-34-2

Scope Arena, Norfolk, Virginia, United States W TKO 1 6 Wiki
~ time: 1:56 | referee: Ernie Green ~

1985-01-20 178½ Eric Winbush 174½ 14-8-0

Harrah's Marina Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 6 6 Wiki
~ referee: Tony Orlando ~

1984-11-15 177½ Lionel Byarm 177½ 9-1-2

Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W UD 6 6 Wiki
~ 6-0 | 5-1 | 4-2 ~
Pro debut for the 1984 Light Heavyweight Olympic Bronze Medalist Holyfield

There with the help of boxrec and my copy and paste skills you can take a good look at all there opponents and the age they beat them at. I did this so you could just look at the records and not have to look back and forth if you wanted to research.

...this is an easy one to answer HOLYFIELD OVER TYSON....Evander beat Tyson twice, and more importantly has stayed relevant and a champion for longer.

Mike Tyson was a guy who hit his prime and then people found out how to fight him and it was all over for the guy.

Evander Holyfield had a difficult style to begin with but pair that with his heart and work ethic and you have one great fighter....he would have beaten Tyson at any time in his career

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I was thinking about this and i always rate Tyson higher on the Top heavy list but I took a look at Holyfeild wins and i think he may had better wins. I mean Holyfield was a the only 4 time champion every in Boxing and not to many consider him a top 10 heavyweight. But looking at his best wins which were Bowe ,Copper, Moorer, Old Forman, Old Holmes, Tyson, Mercer, Bean and Ruiz. I just think Holyfield might be ranked higher then Tyson any thoughts on it.

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Ohhh,Get the Bean outta there.That Old Foreman IMO was the all around superior to 70's Foreman.Holmes was not what he was but had enough to cause some problems.Dokes,Stewart 1, Douglas,Thomas,Qawi 1,De Leon,Lewis 2 ;)
Tysons best to me
Bruno 1,Berbick,Tucker,Ruddock 1&2,Williams,Holmes,spinks,Smith,Thomas,Tubbs,Both a,Technicaly NC golota but he really blew him out.
I Look at the entire career over all wins and losses.How someone losses can say alot more Sometimes than how They win.If you really want to do both a Big Disservice,Look at their losses.Personally I Put Holyfield above Tyson with out a doubt,They were both "old" when they fought,Tyson knew he was better,Chomp.

Surfer i put old in front because i am sure some one else would of said it and i did not say that they were not good wins. And Lyle you forgot to mention that Holyfeild had more guts and balls also lol thank you for putting your thoughts i know i am going to get it from Tyson's fans just for bringing up the subject.

Holyfield by a hair for me. He just found more sucess against the better fighters. Tyson couldnt adapt when it counted. Holyfield usually did.

Thank you very much for all your guys input on this surprised people agreed with me.
Also were do you rate Holyfeild and Tyson just to ask because they are close.

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Surfer i put old in front because i am sure some one else would of said it and i did not say that they were not good wins. And Lyle you forgot to mention that Holyfeild had more guts and balls also lol thank you for putting your thoughts i know i am going to get it from Tyson's fans just for bringing up the subject.

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No prob man, I just can't stand those guys who think Mike Tyson was PERFECT as a fighter in his prime....and it's just not true! Fighters either didn't know how to approach him, were too scared to put him to the test, or tried to fight him correctly and didn't have the skills to beat him.

You put Tyson in vs any all-time heavyweight and usually he'll come out the loser do the same with Holyfield and it becomes more of a toss up.


I do rate Tyson over Bowe, although I think Bowe would have whipped his ass...Tyson's prime was longer

CC Lyle my favorite is how people always try to dismiss the Douglas win by saying that Tyson was past thats why he lost.

Evander had more wins over quality gys who would actually fight...Unlike Tyson who's biggest names were guys like Spink's, Holmes etc all either past their best or scared to death from the start....

Evander hurt himself by hanging on too long and the fact Tyson was always such a larger then life figure to the public it will make his name one that comes to mind first....Also the fact Tyson is the youngest HW champion ever....

Evander had more quality though in my opp

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Surfer i put old in front because i am sure some one else would of said it and i did not say that they were not good wins. And Lyle you forgot to mention that Holyfeild had more guts and balls also lol thank you for putting your thoughts i know i am going to get it from Tyson's fans just for bringing up the subject.

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Kind of a preemptive strike lol,I hear you... ;D.Cool man.CC for FULL info with records.

Evander holyfield, because he had to overcome his weight disadvantage. He started his pro career at 177 and a half pounds, in his first fight

Holyfield. Not even an argument as far as I am concerned.

86-88 Tyson may have been better than Holyfield at his best, but Holyfield overcame more obstacles and hardships. At the top level he showed far greater longevity than Tyson.

i think overall holyfield might of had the better overall career cos he was a 2-weight champion & dominated the cruiserweights but in the HW division he won his 4 titles from,, 1st it was a fat unfocused buster douglas, he then lost it to bowe after defending against holmes foreman (who both went the distance with him, holmes had already been destroyed by tyson) he then got revenge on bowe to win back the titles but lost the title to Michael moorer then not long after that gets beat by bowe again
then according to most people he beats a "shot" tyson who hadnt seen his best days in about 8 years (i still give him a hell of a lot of credit 4 this fight cos 2 me tyson was still a dangerous fighter & had that KO power & i respect how evander stood upto him) defends against michael moorer & vaughn bean then he took Lennox the distance earnin a draw then gettin beat in the rematch
after that he lost out on his title fights (WBO against Ibragimov & the NABC larry donald)

im not takin anything away from holyfield 2 b a 4 time heavyweight champion is a fantastic accomplishment but he never really dominated the division & he never held on to a title for more then 3 fights, where tyson had a title reign of 3 years, defended his belts 9 times & dominated the division

so as far as the heavyweight division goes tyson just about takes it in my opinon (close though)

Tyson prime would have beaten Holyfield prime so he is better. He also was a more consistant champion during his reign.

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Tyson prime would have beaten Holyfield prime so he is better. He also was a more consistant champion during his reign.

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...I declare shennanigans on that, do you accept the shennanigans?

Let me ask you who the hell did Tyson beat that makes you think he could beat Holyfield and also who did Holyfield lose to to make you think he'd lose to Tyson?

Tyson's style was picture perfect for Holyfield...Tyson was a limited fighter, you guys always take that as blasphemy but it's true. Tyson was a pressure fighter with good power (yes GOOD power, not great) and GREAT combination punching (perhaps the best combination puncher in the history of the division)...I give Tyson his props when he deserves them but his prime was short, there was a blueprint to beating him, and he never was challenged or challenged himself during his prime, only after which is why there are "cling-ons" that think Tyson was the greatest of all time and could beat Ali.

I've said it before, I'll say it again Tyson loses to the majority of the top 10 all-time heavyweights...including IMO Dempsey and Marciano. People find that very strange and some don't stop to think about it good and hard but those guys were harder than Tyson and mentally tougher than him as well.

All Mike Tyson is when you get down to it is Floyd Patterson with a Sonny Liston attitude...and he's about as good of a fighter as those two guys which is top 15-20 but not top 10

holy is higher..and any version of holyfield beats any any version of tyson...

and just like most fighters who capture most of there fans by knocking out bums coupled with some of the greatest promotion in the history of promoting garbage..tyson was an illusion created by don king...no doubt tyson could move and hit hard..but he was never on the level of prime ATG heavy's, nor the one in his era...although i think the he might have kayoed the early leaner version of lennox...

Yea another question i have is were do you rate him i am starting to consider him a top 10 fighter any thoughts on that.

I think he falls just short of being top 10....he's top 15 in my opinion

Its a tough call evander fought past his prime WAY PAST IT, at least mike knew when to get out, people say oh evander got stopped by james toney etc.... and you know what tyson would have lost to toney at his late age too he was horrible he lost to danny williams and i cant even remeber the other horrible fighter he got koed by in his old age. Evander beat the younger challengers, tyson on paper had better skills and more flash kos. Holyfield certainly was more of a warrior great chin and probably would die in the ring. Tyson had some chracter problems, evender had a problem with consistency but on a given night could beat anyone. tyson never avenged a loss, holyfield did, I give the nod to holy but no arguement either way

oly is higher..and any version of holyfield beats any any version of tyson

Possibly.... but evander would have to have fought very smart and in his youth he didnt he tended to trade too much, I have no doubt if holy and tyson had fought undefeated you may have seen world war 3
for a couiple of rounds but it would be tough for evander to win that fight, if he picks his spots he can trade more with mike than anyone but he still needs to box....

Yea like i was saying earlier some of his defeats are not when he was at his best i mean he was way past it with some of them.

yep agreed, people dont understand how age affects you, beleive me i know... some guy was trying to telly me theres not much difference between a 27 year old mosley and a 37 year old one heres your first clue cotto matched his speed at times ;D

Lyle we always disagree about this.

Prime Tyson beats the undefeated fighter that lost to Bowe, because he weighed 205lb and would have fought the stupid fight he did with Bowe and try to back up Tyson who would have sparked him out like Bert Cooper nearly did.

The bigger version that did fight Tyson was slower and threw less punches, whilst he would have backed up Tyson, he still would have lost on points to Tyson. Either way great fight. IMO. :)

(I may not always immediately respond but I am not ignoring you)

I like watching Tyson fights just as much as the next guy but there were plenty of times he got tied up on the inside and vs Holyfield that hurt him big time. Holyfield was never a really heavy fighter, he's 44 years old now and he weighed 211 in his last fight! Evander has never been heavier than 221. Sure he got buzzed vs Cooper but hell it took a PRIME Riddick Bowe and hepititus C to get him knocked out!!!!

Sure Tyson didn't train very well in his post Buster Douglas career but that didn't matter vs Holyfield...the issue was Evander fought just as dirty as Tyson and Mike could give it but he couldn't take it and he gave up in the second fight. In the first fight he just straight got his ass whipped.

I think Evander was just a stronger bully than Tyson and his prime lasted a lot longer

I say Holyfield goes down higher in all time greatness lists as a heavy.

Overall career by a landslide Evander above Tyson.

Skills, I would favor Tyson.

Yea but who would you pick to win if they fought at any time in there career Cut.
But i might be wrong but i think that i am right but just opinion so it is very debatable.

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Yea but who would you pick to win if they fought at any time in there career Cut.

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ino ment for CMM but ill give you my take on that!
Tyson wins a decision here. And believe me i am a big fan of Holy.

Honestly i can not see Tyson beating Holyfeild he was just not a big enough bully. Evander would break him down mentally and i see a late Tko win for evander for the most part Evander Chin and rentlessness would win it.

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Honestly i can not see Tyson beating Holyfeild he was just not a big enough bully. Evander would break him down mentally and i see a late Tko win for evander for the most part Evander Chin and rentlessness would win it.

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Fair point. I just think that it was after the trainer passing away when that level of doubt crept into his head. Before that i dont think he would be thrown off track by anyone around tbh.

ito be ranked in the top 10 HW the fighters title reign is a huge factor so it all depends on whose record u respect more on successful defences

holyfields
1st reign after winnin the belt from james douglas- foreman, bert cooper, larry holmes (both foreman & holmes went the distance, cooper got Ko'd)
2nd reign aftet winin the belt against bowe-- NOBODY
3rd Regin after winning the belt from tyson,, michael moorer (IBF champ) & vaughn bean
4th reign after winnin from john Ruiz-- NOBODY (lost in the rematch)

Tyson
1st reign after winning the belt from Trevor Berbick--- James smith (WBA title), pinklon thomas, tony tucker (IBF title), tyrell biggs, larry holmes tony tubbs, michael spinks (RING belt), frank bruno & carl williams
2nd reign after winning the belt from frank bruno--- bruce seldon


SO THROUGHOUT ALL THEIR TITLE REIGNS HOLYFIELD SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED HIS TITLE 5 TIMES, TYSON SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED HIS 10 TIMES

THE QUALITY OF OPPONENT HOLYFIELD DEFENDING HIS BELT AGAINST PICK OF THE BUNCH WAS PROB MICHAEL MOORER, AN AGING HOLMES & FOREMAN (FOREMAN WAS OLD BUT STILL DANGEROUS, HOLMES STILL WENT THE DISTANCE AGAINST EVANDER EVEN THOUGH HE WAS DESTROYED BY TYSON 4 YEARS BEFORE)
TYSONS PICK OF THE BUNCH,, LARRY HOLMES, SPINKS, PINKLON THOMAS

ON THE QUALITY OF OPPONENTS THEY DEFENDED TITLES AGAINST---- I'D SAY IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE BETWEEN THE 2

SUCCESSFUL TITLE FIGHTS HOLYFIELD --DOUGLAS, BOWE, TYSON,RUIZ
SUCCESSFUL TITLE FIGHTS TYSON--BERBICK, SMITH,TUCKER,BRUNO

TITLE FIGHTS WHERE THEY CLAIMED THE BELTS----- I'D SAY HOLYFIELD HAD THE BETTER OPPENENT EVEN IF ONE OF THEM WAS A FAT DOUGLAS & JOHN RUIZ LOL

WHO HAD THE MOST DOMINENT REIGN-- TYSON WITHOUT A DOUBT, IF MY MEMORY SERVES CORRECTLY WHEN HE WAS CHAMP IN 89 I THINK TYSON HAD BEATEN 8 OR 9 OF THE TOP10 RANKED HEAVYWEIGHTS BELOW HIM OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, PLUS TYSON GETS AN ADDED BONUS OF ACTUALLY GOIN ROUND UNIFYING THE BELTS ONE BY ONE & WINNING THE "RING" BELT (WHICH TO MY KNOWLEDGE I DONT THINK HOLYFIELD EVER WON)

AS NATURAL SKILL ON PAPER GOES--- OVERALL I'D GIVE IT TYSON (SPEED POWER ETC)

MENTAL GAME--- NOT EVEN CLOSE ,HOLYFIELD ALL THE WAY

RANKED HIGHER??-- CLOSE CALL I THINK HOLYFIELD REACHED HIS FULL POTENTIAL WHERE AS TYSON DIDNT SO ITS HARD TO SPLIT THE 2 BUT COS OF THE SHEER DOMINANCE OF TYSONS 1ST TITLE REIGN I THINK HE JUST ABOUT EDGES IT

Bring up good points depends what you look at the opposition, dominance and how many title defences. To me Tyson was champ in one of the weakest era of boxing. While Holyfeild was just under Lewis and there era is better then all of the eras except for Ali era but still just what you look at.

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Bring up good points depends what you look at the opposition, dominance and how many title defences. To me Tyson was champ in one of the weakest era of boxing. While Holyfeild was just under Lewis and there era is better then all of the eras except for Ali era but still just what you look at.

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THANK YOU!!!! CC

All these Tyson fans still harp on how bad ass he was and how he destroyed whoever he fought....guys he fought an ancient Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks who didn't want anything but the paycheck. Tyson wasn't challenged until after his prime in the "Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis" era.....and he didn't fight Lewis in the 90's when he was really tough and may have posed a threat and he NEVER fought Bowe....he fought Bruno, Rudduck, and Golota, and Holyfield too.....that was convieniently "past his prime" amazing how that works ain't it? Tyson becomes past his prime when he fights good opponents....I for one don't think it's a coincidence

Another Tyson debate begins ;D

Don't worry Miles, BIG H, Cockey Cokney, im leaving this one well alone ;)

Thank you CC you back and i think you and me are on the right page and Ice come on lay some words down i do not agree all the time and what you have to say but i like to debate and argue with you so lay some words down.

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Thank you CC you back and i think you and me are on the right page and Ice come on lay some words down i do not agree all the time and what you have to say but i like to debate and argue with you so lay some words down.

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The last time i debated on a Tyson thread it went on 20+ pages i've debated enough on Tyson.