It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds : Guzman vs Soto

Once again it's time for another installment of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round courtesy of your friendly forum drinkin boxing scribe & HBO's Boxing After Dark!

For the past two months HBO has been spoiling us all with compelling match ups & "pick-em" fights...this weekend is no different.

The DRBR will be comin' atcha live Saturday night, Nov. 17th, 2007 at 9:45 p.m. from the Borgata Hotel Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

This weekend Boxing After Dark features the rize of Joan Guzman (27 wins with 17 ko's & no losses) defends his title for the 2nd or 3rd time as he faces Humberto Soto (51 fights, 43 wins with 27 ko's, 5 losses, & 2 draws) in a 12 round WBO sanctioned Super Featherweight event.

For those of you not in the know...Guzman is undefeated & also one of the most talked about up & coming fighters of the Super Featherweight division. Technically this is the fourteenth defense of a WBO title, as Guzman first commandeered the Super Bantam title almost 6 years ago. Guzman has faced some tuff customers on his rise to the top & history will once again repeat itself tonight...but this time he faces his tuffest test against the experienced & scrappy Soto.


While I have followed Guzman for about the last 2 years or so...I don't think that that gives me a huge wealth of knowledge to post from...& I aint pulling my answers out of my ass or off of online dictionary data banks...so I'll just leave it at this...

Guzman is a hell of a fighter. He's young, determined, & rather heavy handed. This should be a smoker of a fight...based on his abilities alone.

Soto is a serious customer by his own rights. He's undefeated in either his last 19 or 20 fights. While I do respect the man...I say that Guzman will be too much for him.

Other than that...that's all I got for ya's.

Input from Guzman fan's is most definently welcome...so have at it. I'm sure we'll all be in for another ride courtesy of HBO & these amazing match ups that they continue to push on us.

That being said...I'd like to thank everyone in advance for once again signing on to saddo's & being a part of the community & for also being a part of this great big tradition that we have all effectionally dubbed...The Drunken Round by Round.

Whether you be sober or not...your'e still a part of it & you all make it what it is & continues to be...tip top of the pile.

You bwoy's pat yourselves on the back, you deserve the praise. After that...let's all just kick back & relax because fight night is just around the corner.

Toss the remote, settle down into your favorite chair or just pick your spot on the couch, pour up your poison of choice or pop a can open, break out the chips & salsa...it's time for yet another installment of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round.

Oh...as always...cheers & koneecheewah bitches.

:coolclick: in 24 Wacko.

Don't think we're getting this one in Blighty so i think i'll be tuning into your rbr

I think Guzman will KO him.

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:coolclick: in 24 Wacko.

Don't think we're getting this one in Blighty so i think i'll be tuning into your rbr

I think Guzman will KO him.

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:coolclick: right back. As for a KO...I don't know about that...but I think that he'll scrap out a win. Soto's pretty tuff.

No way in hell Guzman koes Soto. Soto by UD. 8)

I might as well go with Soto, so that's my pick. I just don't know but I will stick with this kat to win. How's that for a prediction? Lol. Very excited about this one. CC Wack Attack!!

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No way in hell Guzman koes Soto. Soto by UD. 8)

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:coolclick: I knew that this one would bring you out & fast!!Agreed...no TKO or KO...but I say that it's a scrapper for Guzman & he comes out undefeated. ;D





































Don't forget HEROES tonight...we find out what happened after the explosion in New York!!!

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I might as well go with Soto, so that's my pick. I just don't know but I will stick with this kat to win. How's that for a prediction? Lol. Very excited about this one. CC Wack Attack!!

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:coolclick: right back Legion of the Damned! ;D

Nice pre-dick-shone!

I honestly don't think that it's as cut & dry as I thought the MOsley Cotto fight was going to be...& look where that got me! :'(

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No way in hell Guzman koes Soto. Soto by UD. 8)

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:coolclick: I knew that this one would bring you out & fast!!Agreed...no TKO or KO...but I say that it's a scrapper for Guzman & he comes out undefeated. ;D





































Don't forget HEROES tonight...we find out what happened after the explosion in New York!!!

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CC back my man,you know me too well! I'll be watching Heroes for sure!!! Keep an eye on the thread and check out the lOST thread too when you get time. Guzman fights well off the ropes but Soto puts so much pressure on opponents,I just see Soto's pressure being too mcuh(I used to think guzman would win,until,well,today! :P ;D)

I guess I'll go with Guzman

He better be sharp though. CC Wack

i think Guzman takes this one by decision. He is very skilled and talented but i can't forget Soto. he has shown that he has improved a hell of alot over the years and is one bad SOB.
i guess I'm a little undecided in which way I'm going for but my gut says Guzman by decision.

CC Wack Attack

thanks again as always

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I guess I'll go with Guzman

He better be sharp though. CC Wack

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:coolclick: back doggy.

Agreed...he'll have to be 100% on point.

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i think Guzman takes this one by decision. He is very skilled and talented but i can't forget Soto. he has shown that he has improved a hell of alot over the years and is one bad SOB.
i guess I'm a little undecided in which way I'm going for but my gut says Guzman by decision.

CC Wack Attack

thanks again as always

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:coolclick: returned. Soto is the shit...but...I honestly believe that Guzman is going to be the top pup @ this weight sooner rather than later.

Joan Guzman all the way, one of my favourite boxers to watch, incredible defence, guts, will to win and stunning combos. He lacks major power but apart from that he's amazingly well rounded. Soto is extremely tough and hits hard but I can see Guzman outpointing him pretty widely. I'm expecting a terrific fight though.

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Originally Posted by 'Big' (Yoits)Dan McCarthy

Joan Guzman all the way, one of my favourite boxers to watch, incredible defence, guts, will to win and stunning combos. He lacks major power but apart from that he's amazingly well rounded. Soto is extremely tough and hits hard but I can see Guzman outpointing him pretty widely. I'm expecting a terrific fight though.

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:coolclick: My man, Dan.

Soto is tough as hell...but Guzman has all the smarts & power to put the ki-bosh on ole's Soto.

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Joan Guzman all the way, one of my favourite boxers to watch, incredible defence, guts, will to win and stunning combos. He lacks major power but apart from that he's amazingly well rounded. Soto is extremely tough and hits hard but I can see Guzman outpointing him pretty widely. I'm expecting a terrific fight though.

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:coolclick: My man, Dan.

Soto is tough as hell...but Guzman has all the smarts & power to put the ki-bosh on ole's Soto.

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Well said my man, after December 8th I'm gonna have a serious boxing hangover, it's really gonna be shitty when all these fights are over, but what a ride it has been, Guzman v Soto is just as competitive and potentially explosive as Mosley v Cotto, they just ain't the big names, luckily for us fans in the know that don't matter too much.

Very well put Wack'o and have a CC from One of your rowdy house guest ahead of time. ;D :P
Guzmans battle and win over Barrios really made me sit up straight so to speak with anticipation of his next fights indeed.I see him More polished and More well rounded than Soto and bigger shot for shot Banger.
That being said Im pulling big time for Soto in an all action fight.This battle is really not getting a major push in the bigger picture as it deserves Imo.We'll keep it Hot and do it justice no doubt ,A truly great match-up and another post fight late one on Bourbon Street.. 8).See ya ringside!

I like Soto in a very competitive fight.

If Pacquiao does move up to 135, then Marquez should fight the Soto-Guzman winner.

thanks for the heads up Wack not on here in Spain but i think i will go for Guzman on this one although i think it will be on points. ;D will be tuning in to your show ;D

Wow,not much interest in this?! This is a great fight on paper,2 great fighters ANNNND it has significance.

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Wow,not much interest in this?! This is a great fight on paper,2 great fighters ANNNND it has significance.

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Whaddaya expect babe...it's one of the lighter weight bouts...for some reason...boxing fans seem to let the lower classes slide & theyr'e hands down some of the best bouts period.

Iv been waiting to see Guzman back in the ring for a while now...
As Wacko said in the RbR intro Guzman is "quite heavy handed," not a devastating puncher for me but in possession of enough strength to keep Soto at a distance anduse his speed to move in and out (although no doubt Guzman will try KO him at some point.)

So for this fight i like Guzman by UD in an entertasining competitive fight.

I've gone for Guzman by decision, although it'll be close either way. It could be a split decision either way. I'm really torn because I can see this being a 50-50 fight. While I think Guzman is the better boxer, I have my concerns that Guzman's struggle to make the weight will see him drained and Soto is clearly not a fighter you can afford to show weakness against. Credit to Guzman for taking an avoided fighter. He's skillful enough to pull it off, but I wouldn't be suprised if the decision went either way.

People really underate Soto too, he's a serious banger and he ain't the ugliest style wise either, he doesn't get hit all that much, for 130lbs he's a tank, lots of pressure but not to the point of one dimensionality. The comparisons with Margarito are semi justified, I think he has a lot more to his game, but he ain't quite the bulldozer Margarito is either. I'm talking p4p here.

Guzman has Floyd Sr in his corner now doesn't he?

Funny I haven't seen any recent interviews with him.

Either way I'm going to be nervous in this fight, very nervous.

Guzman is one of my favorite fighters but Soto is no joke and very good.

it will be a fight you can't look away from for one second or you'll miss something. And the significance too.

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Guzman has Floyd Sr in his corner now doesn't he?

Funny I haven't seen any recent interviews with him.

Either way I'm going to be nervous in this fight, very nervous.

Guzman is one of my favorite fighters but Soto is no joke and very good.

it will be a fight you can't look away from for one second or you'll miss something. And the significance too.

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:coolclick: Welcome back to the joint.

It's been a loooooooooooong time Sugar Puss. Wacko's missed ya! :-* ;D

guzman by decision.

I've made up my mind Soto by decision. ;)

Soto-Decision

Guzman will need to come out with more volume and strength than he did with Barrios.
Albeit impressive win, but he was with an older opponent in the Argentine Barrios.

Look for Soto to decision the wiley-coyote. Guzman is intelligent.

But Soto is to busy and instinctively alive for Guzman. He doesn't think as much as he throws the leather.
He can take a decent shot and he has survival skills to boot. Guzman has power, but he must confuse Soto.
Which is perfectly possible.... YET
coming from the gym's that beats in the heart of Mexico...Soto is too young, too strong, too smart.

He'll test the Hard Boxer Puncher Guzman to the finish line.

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Wow,not much interest in this?! This is a great fight on paper,2 great fighters ANNNND it has significance.

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Whaddaya expect babe...it's one of the lighter weight bouts...for some reason...boxing fans seem to let the lower classes slide & theyr'e hands down some of the best bouts period.

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Yup,I guess us hardcore fans will just have to enjoy these fights.

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Soto-Decision

Guzman will need to come out with more volume and strength than he did with Barrios.
Albeit impressive win, but he was with an older opponent in the Argentine Barrios.

Look for Soto to decision the wiley-coyote. Guzman is intelligent.

But Soto is to busy and instinctively alive for Guzman. He doesn't think as much as he throws the leather.
He can take a decent shot and he has survival skills to boot. Guzman has power, but he must confuse Soto.
Which is perfectly possible.... YET
coming from the gym's that beats in the heart of Mexico...Soto is too young, too strong, too smart.

He'll test the Hard Boxer Puncher Guzman to the finish line.

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Good analysis. I think and hope Guzman's lack of power at the weight will lead to a Soto win!

a toss-up of a fight. i think soto's a little better but if he doesn't put in a totally convincing performance i feel the decision will go to the undefeated champ guzman.

Haven't seen much of either of their fights so this is just one of my few 'ignorant' opinion, just like the most of 'em out here ;D... The way Bob Pac gave him some tough time ('til that one good shot), I have some doubts about Soto. As for Guzman, I think a bit overrated though, he's definitely a good runner and has pretty good skills, though with limited arsenals. So I think it's a matter of whether Soto can catch him or not, which I doubt a bit. Decision for Guzman.


My 3 cents, (keep the extra penny, Wacko! ;D ;) :-*).

Soto is just too much for the "Thinking Man" Guzman.

i'm glad this fight is taking place, instead of everyone around is just sitting around fighting the nobodies to stay unbeaten to get a shot at pac or jmm. this would eliminate one contender and make the other one a bigger challenge for pac and jmm.

For those who don't have HBO, it will be broadcast on TSN from Canada also.

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For those who don't have HBO, it will be broadcast on TSN from Canada also.

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For those who don't have HBO...how do you function in day to day life? ;D :P

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For those who don't have HBO, it will be broadcast on TSN from Canada also.

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For those who don't have HBO...how do you function in day to day life? ;D :P

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I used to m#sturbate alot; but HBO save me from not only disgrace, but blindness as well. Watching Larry Merchant has that effect on me.

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For those who don't have HBO, it will be broadcast on TSN from Canada also.

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For those who don't have HBO...how do you function in day to day life? ;D :P

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I used to m#sturbate alot; but HBO save me from not only disgrace, but blindness as well. Watching Larry Merchant has that effect on me.

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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwey!!

Larry Merchant makes you wanna flog the log? That's just wrong. :-X

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For those who don't have HBO...how do you function in day to day life? ;D :P

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I used to m#sturbate alot; but HBO save me from not only disgrace, but blindness as well. Watching Larry Merchant has that effect on me.

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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwey!!

Larry Merchant makes you wanna flog the log? That's just wrong. :-X

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Either I didn't word that right or you missed the point. Watching Larry Merchant makes me NOT want to procreate. Don't be silly Wacko :-[

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For those who don't have HBO, it will be broadcast on TSN from Canada also.

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For those who don't have HBO...how do you function in day to day life? ;D :P

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I used to m#sturbate alot; but HBO save me from not only disgrace, but blindness as well. Watching Larry Merchant has that effect on me.

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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwey!!

Larry Merchant makes you wanna flog the log? That's just wrong. :-X

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Either I didn't word that right or you missed the point. Watching Larry Merchant makes me NOT want to procreate. Don't be silly Wacko :-[

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Don't be silly, Wacko?
Don't be silly, Wacko?!?!?!?!

Oh please...Wacko's always...ALWAYS...silly...

that being said...who am I to make jokes about masturbation, right?

Wacko = :spunk:

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For those who don't have HBO, it will be broadcast on TSN from Canada also.

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For those who don't have HBO...how do you function in day to day life? ;D :P

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I used to m#sturbate alot; but HBO save me from not only disgrace, but blindness as well. Watching Larry Merchant has that effect on me.

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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwey!!

Larry Merchant makes you wanna flog the log? That's just wrong. :-X

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Either I didn't word that right or you missed the point. Watching Larry Merchant makes me NOT want to procreate. Don't be silly Wacko :-[

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Don't be silly, Wacko?
Don't be silly, Wacko?!?!?!?!

Oh please...Wacko's always...ALWAYS...silly...

that being said...who am I to make jokes about masturbation, right?

Wacko = :spunk:

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Flog the Log, LMAO; good one.

One thing that's cool about tonight's telecast... usually when HBO replays a PPV (like Cotto-Mosley), they only show the PPV replay and then the live main event. Tonight they're showing the replay of Cotto-Mosley, then a live undercard fight, then Soto-Guzman.