Manny Steward out, Pat Burns might be back in as Jermain Taylor's trainer

I didn't notice another thread on this

I'm not sure it will make that big of a difference, he's just got some technical and mental problems but who knows, maybe it will

edit-I thought Pat Burns was definitely back in, apparently not yet although there talking about it

Either way, thoughts

hey ouma, where you get that info?? ive been waitin news on this.

Good for Manny; Good for Taylor. Poor, poor Patrick.

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ive been waitin news on this.

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You mean before you ever posted again? ;) ;D

This is & will be great news...but I aint so sure that it's gonna help for this fight.

One thing is for sure...if it goes the stretch...his corner will be a hell of a lot better than it has been.

Hope it helps him, though I think all his problems are internal and will either be fixed by himself or nobody. But maybe getting back to his roots will be more comforting for him. After what Pavlik did to him something had to change.

Pavlik needs to be a little more serious in his next fight against Taylor.
Kelly showed Taylor that he is no longer an amatuer or a 17 year old little boy. He got that out of the way and made a statement that was loud and clear by putting Taylor to sleep like a rabid dog.
Pavlik had to have learned his lesson. If he goes in there playing around again, he will get caught and it might cost him which would possibly bring us to a historic trilogy.
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Pavlik needs to be a little more serious in his next fight against Taylor.
Kelly showed Taylor that he is no longer an amatuer or a 17 year old little boy. He got that out of the way and made a statement that was loud and clear by putting Taylor to sleep like a rabid dog.
Pavlik had to have learned his lesson. If he goes in there playing around again, he will get caught and it might cost him which would possibly bring us to a historic trilogy.
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Well if Pavlik doesn't take Taylor seriously next go round, and wants to make giggly faces at him again, then he deserves to get KTFO. I can't wait for this one.

A link Ouma my man? I don't think it's going to make a difference if I'm honest. Once a fighter has bad habits,and has been using those habits for a while,it's difficult to get out of them. Pavlik still koes him in the rematch imo.

Nelson to train Taylor!, check out fightnews.com they say manny is out but pat isn't the guy.

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hey ouma, where you get that info?? ive been waitin news on this.

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espn.go.com

Its a Dan Rafael article

Is Nelson really a trainer? I thought he was more like just a manager although I think they said on the HBO countdown that he used to own a gym or something.

Steward needs to be out. He didn't do jack shat for Taylor cept take a big chunk of his purse and fukin get him knocked out, by NOT tellin him to get his freakin hands up to stop that right hand last time out. Pat Burns should be back in, Taylor should have never betrayed him in the first place.

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Steward needs to be out. He didn't do jack shat for Taylor cept take a big chunk of his purse and fukin get him knocked out, by NOT tellin him to get his freakin hands up to stop that right hand last time out. Pat Burns should be back in, Taylor should have never betrayed him in the first place.

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i think you have that the other way around.
GOOD for steward. He doesn't need some jerkoff kid that doesnt want to listen. Manny over the years has displayed nothing but professionalism, but the only time i seen him get completely frustrated in the ring was with taylor. Taylor just would not listen to steward, and i believe its a sigh of relief for steward. How frustrating would it be if you had a kid with all the talent in the world, but just couldn't apply it for a full 12 rounds. It would drive any perfect trainer crazy.

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Steward needs to be out. He didn't do jack shat for Taylor cept take a big chunk of his purse and fukin get him knocked out, by NOT tellin him to get his freakin hands up to stop that right hand last time out. Pat Burns should be back in, Taylor should have never betrayed him in the first place.

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i think you have that the other way around.
GOOD for steward. He doesn't need some jerkoff kid that doesnt want to listen. Manny over the years has displayed nothing but professionalism, but the only time i seen him get completely frustrated in the ring was with taylor. Taylor just would not listen to steward, and i believe its a sigh of relief for steward. How frustrating would it be if you had a kid with all the talent in the world, but just couldn't apply it for a full 12 rounds. It would drive any perfect trainer crazy.

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My friend, clearly you have never seen Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson. ;)

Yea but Lewis went and knocked Tyson out and then Taylor went out and got his ass beat and knocked the fuck out so there is a different on listening.

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Steward needs to be out. He didn't do jack shat for Taylor cept take a big chunk of his purse and fukin get him knocked out, by NOT tellin him to get his freakin hands up to stop that right hand last time out. Pat Burns should be back in, Taylor should have never betrayed him in the first place.

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No offense Hulk, but if JT is a world champion but can't keep his hands up without Manny telling him, he needs to go do something else. That's like blaming Manny when Taylor trips over his shoe laces because Manny forgot to tell him to tie them. Maybe Pavlik just beat that a$$ and would have no matter what JT did. He sure couldn't get Pavlik out of there after the knockdown, and had 2 minutes left to do it. Either he fixes himself or nobody will, most likely. I do think JT needs to go back to his roots, if for nothing else than a calming effect in the corner in a big fight.

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Steward needs to be out. He didn't do jack shat for Taylor cept take a big chunk of his purse and fukin get him knocked out, by NOT tellin him to get his freakin hands up to stop that right hand last time out. Pat Burns should be back in, Taylor should have never betrayed him in the first place.

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No offense Hulk, but if JT is a world champion but can't keep his hands up without Manny telling him, he needs to go do something else. That's like blaming Manny when Taylor trips over his shoe laces because Manny forgot to tell him to tie them. Maybe Pavlik just beat that a$$ and would have no matter what JT did. He sure couldn't get Pavlik out of there after the knockdown, and had 2 minutes left to do it. Either he fixes himself or nobody will, most likely. I do think JT needs to go back to his roots, if for nothing else than a calming effect in the corner in a big fight.

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Fair enough. But if you see that someone's shoe is untied wouldn't you tell them? Steward saw that Taylor was keepin his hands down and doing nada to stop that right hand from Pavlik, and offered no defensive advice. He just told Taylor what to do offensively and sent him back out there round after round.

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Steward needs to be out. He didn't do jack shat for Taylor cept take a big chunk of his purse and fukin get him knocked out, by NOT tellin him to get his freakin hands up to stop that right hand last time out. Pat Burns should be back in, Taylor should have never betrayed him in the first place.

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No offense Hulk, but if JT is a world champion but can't keep his hands up without Manny telling him, he needs to go do something else. That's like blaming Manny when Taylor trips over his shoe laces because Manny forgot to tell him to tie them. Maybe Pavlik just beat that a$$ and would have no matter what JT did. He sure couldn't get Pavlik out of there after the knockdown, and had 2 minutes left to do it. Either he fixes himself or nobody will, most likely. I do think JT needs to go back to his roots, if for nothing else than a calming effect in the corner in a big fight.

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Fair enough. But if you see that someone's shoe is untied wouldn't you tell them? Steward saw that Taylor was keepin his hands down and doing nada to stop that right hand from Pavlik, and offered no defensive advice. He just told Taylor what to do offensively and sent him back out there round after round.

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I hear you Hulk, and yeah Manny should have said something{for whatever good that would have done}.......And no, I wouldn't tell somebody if their laces were untied: no one ever tells me ;D ;D ;D

Pat Burns or no Pat Burns Taylor still has some issues he needs to deal with that no trainer can help him with.

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Steward needs to be out. He didn't do jack shat for Taylor cept take a big chunk of his purse and fukin get him knocked out, by NOT tellin him to get his freakin hands up to stop that right hand last time out. Pat Burns should be back in, Taylor should have never betrayed him in the first place.

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i think you have that the other way around.
GOOD for steward. He doesn't need some jerkoff kid that doesnt want to listen. Manny over the years has displayed nothing but professionalism, but the only time i seen him get completely frustrated in the ring was with taylor. Taylor just would not listen to steward, and i believe its a sigh of relief for steward. How frustrating would it be if you had a kid with all the talent in the world, but just couldn't apply it for a full 12 rounds. It would drive any perfect trainer crazy.

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My friend, clearly you have never seen Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson. ;)

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My friend, IMO i believe that was more motivational then frustration ;)

Taylor's problems isnt his trainer

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Taylor's problems isnt his trainer

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I think he has too much Nervous energy and he burns out too quick.