Kimbo Slice as a boxer...discuss...don't diss...let's sort it out.

I am sure that this has been asked before...but I shall ask for me own's sake.

Everyone knows that I hate MMA...with a passion...but for some reason I have always enjoyed watching Kimbo hammer people out in street fights. I don't care what anyone says...that aint MMA. That's pretty much basically bare knuckle boxing...now that he's gone MMA...what I have to ask is rather a moot point...but let's just pretend that he didn't go the MMA route & followed the boxing trail.

For conversations sake...let's just say that he came into the game & got a decent trainer...let's say that he got tied in McGirt, Burns, or some of the low key guys...if you wanna go further...then saddle him with Roach or Steward...whatever tickles your fancy.

How do you think that he would turn out?

I agree that he's a bum beater...or a thug-thumper...but he has fought some pretty decent fellars out there on the MMA circuit in the back alley's a done fairly well...but I want to know what you think he might be as a boxer.

Personally...with some training & good management...I aint got no shame...I'll say that I think that he could be somebody.

His straight rights are devastating & his left hooks usually put men on their knees. If he had a jab...a real one...he's be hell. He's got good upper body movement & the fact that he's used to skipping through bottles & trash & shit...I say that once he got the feel of it he good probably learn a good ring ethic.

I really want to have a serious conver about this...not a buncha shat talking.

Give me some intelligence here peeps.

Here's his latest fight...they guy just laid down...but Kimbo busted him all the same :

http://www.cagepotato.com/2007/11/12...llywood-party/

Kimbo is street fighter not a boxer he seems to have suspect stamina with some of the short clips i've seen of him and no boxing skills even with a trainer he wouldn't make it although i will give Kimbo one thing he has a good chin.

I would have thought someone would have helped him into the boxing game if they'd seen some real legitimate talent in him. More money in boxing if he's good enough. MMA's a perfect sport for him to get into as just add some ground skills and 1/2 the dudes are probably already scared of him, and there you go, pretty quick easy money. Watching that guy practically lay down for him the other night is quite a good gauge for how he'll do in MMA, but boxing is probably out for him as he is a little older isn't he? 30 something?

That fight looked like a fix. Maybe it wasn't but.. the other guy wasn't there to win.

And Kimbo is an OLD fucker that can punch for 30 seconds. He'd get TOTALLY mullered in a boxing ring.

Kimbo a hulking, heavy-handed monster of a man. Which makes him too ponderous to be effective in boxing. It's just not suited for him plain and simple.

I have a feeling that he is short-winded as well. A trainer might take some muscle of him and give him some moxie, but I think if you lose the girth you lose the man. Kimbo is that big for a reason. His size his a security blanket. It's his identity.

Also, the beard would have to stay that is a Kimbo Slice trademark.

I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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I might be tired, what the fuck does that mean VD?

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I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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I might be tired, what the F*** does that mean VD?

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I think it means he'll walk in on his own and get knocked out and have others help him out. Duh? Go to sleep sleepy head. ;D

I actually agree with Wacko in that he could be pretty dangerous. He reminds me Shannon Briggs without the chronic lung disease.

He'd be pretty dangerous for a couple rounds at least,

But I think MMA is a more suited sport to him. He's a scary dude to face in the ring and when you're facing him completely no holds barred he must be a pretty intimidating foe to face.

Boxing would put too many shackles on him and not allow him to unleash fully so glad he's gone into MMA.

I think he could be a Butterbean type sideshow fighter. Maybe a little better, but put him in with a top 30 guy and he gets KTFO.

I dont think that beard will be allowed in boxing, he does have a decent chin tho. Ive seen him take some shots and not get rocked. I dont think he has the stamina to be a boxer right now. Maybe with the right trainer he could be decent but I dont see him as a contender but maybe a good gatekeeper. He will draw a crowd for awhile if he doesnt stink up the ring when he's in there.

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I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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I might be tired, what the F*** does that mean VD?

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I think it means he'll walk in on his own and get knocked out and have others help him out. Duh? Go to sleep sleepy head. ;D

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That's pretty much what it means

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I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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I might be tired, what the F*** does that mean VD?

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I think it means he'll walk in on his own and get knocked out and have others help him out. Duh? Go to sleep sleepy head. ;D

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Sorry man, been a long day and I don't have work tomorrow so I'm just making the most of not having to kip.

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I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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I might be tired, what the F*** does that mean VD?

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I think it means he'll walk in on his own and get knocked out and have others help him out. Duh? Go to sleep sleepy head. ;D

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Sorry man, been a long day and I don't have work tomorrow so I'm just making the most of not having to kip.

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Don't worry about it. At least you didn't get owned today and find out you were bowlegged :-[

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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VD hit's in right on the head...There is a difference between going 2 minutes in a street fight then 12 or 10 rounds all out

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Kimbo is street fighter not a boxer he seems to have suspect stamina with some of the short clips i've seen of him and no boxing skills even with a trainer he wouldn't make it although i will give Kimbo one thing he has a good chin.

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Interesting.

I totally disagree.

If Kimbo had some direction...I say that he could make a splash into boxing right now.

Start him a pro career blasting out some of these chumps like Maddleone & Bates & so many more that I can't remember...

Everyone has a chance...Kimbo needs direction.

I would'nt say that he's the second coming...but he could possibley be something.

Anything.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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VD hit's in right on the head...There is a difference between going 2 minutes in a street fight then 12 or 10 rounds all out

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Which is why I said...the man, with training, could be something...not the second coming...but something.

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Kimbo is street fighter not a boxer he seems to have suspect stamina with some of the short clips i've seen of him and no boxing skills even with a trainer he wouldn't make it although i will give Kimbo one thing he has a good chin.

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Interesting.

I totally disagree.

If Kimbo had some direction...I say that he could make a splash into boxing right now.

Start him a pro career blasting out some of these chumps like Maddleone & Bates & so many more that I can't remember...

Everyone has a chance...Kimbo needs direction.

I would'nt say that he's the second coming...but he could possibley be something.

Anything.

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I totally disagree he has no stamina no skills the only thing he has is a good chin it takes ages to learn pro boxing and Kimbo is what 33 years old now ?? he wouldn't be able to just get in the ring straight away it would take him atleast 1 year and a bit which then would make him 34 or 35 i just don't see it Wacko.

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Kimbo is street fighter not a boxer he seems to have suspect stamina with some of the short clips i've seen of him and no boxing skills even with a trainer he wouldn't make it although i will give Kimbo one thing he has a good chin.

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Interesting.

I totally disagree.

If Kimbo had some direction...I say that he could make a splash into boxing right now.

Start him a pro career blasting out some of these chumps like Maddleone & Bates & so many more that I can't remember...

Everyone has a chance...Kimbo needs direction.

I would'nt say that he's the second coming...but he could possibley be something.

Anything.

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I totally disagree he has no stamina no skills the only thing he has is a good chin it takes ages to learn pro boxing and Kimbo is what 33 years old now ?? he wouldn't be able to just get in the ring straight away it would take him atleast 1 year and a bit which then would make him 34 or 35 i just don't see it Wacko.

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Alright...I'll put aside my crystal ball & tell Nostrodamas that he's out of a day job. ;D

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I think Slice walks into the ring on his own. But leaves it with other people's help

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VD hit's in right on the head...There is a difference between going 2 minutes in a street fight then 12 or 10 rounds all out

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Which is why I said...the man, with training, could be something...not the second coming...but something.

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The guy must have some good workrate and ability....And though I know Wacko and many other are not big fans of MMA...It takes some conditioning to be an MMa fighter....Kimbo has Bas Rutten in his corner and Bas speaks very highly of him so I have to believe he is capable

I think more important his life style outside of fighting would not do him any good.
He's been street for far too long I just don't see him now at 33 being able to change that.

As soon as they Know him By Name and not some WWE or MMA type Moniker and Catchy Character name.
Sh!! though.....It worked for The "Rock"?And Yeh..No comparrison Between Fist to cuffs Of any type and "Wrassslin" Lol.
Ever heard of Joe Savage???Was trumped up over here as "A brutal Bare fisted Brawler" in the Mid 90's.Big bald Hairy Dude. Reports Said He Had A Compiled record of Unsanctioned Bare knuckle fights at 48-0 with all 48 by KO Over in Europe.
One of the funniest Things Ive seen In a ring on tape.I think it was his PRO debut in professional Boxing against Up and Down Bert Cooper.
Bert really messed him up In less than a round,He was rolling Around like someone in one of those Big round sumo outfits? Reality came early and obvious. Whoops off topic...No Kimbo gets KTFO at a Point In Boxing.IMO.

Is he still trying to get a fight with Tank Abbott? That would be good because Tank is a scrappy mofo, it would be a bloody fight no doubt. Kimbo is being trained by Bas Rutten? Bas was a badass back in the pancrase (sp?) days.

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As soon as they Know him By Name and not some WWE or MMA type Moniker and Catchy Character name.
Sh!! though.....It worked for The "Rock"?And Yeh..No comparrison Between Fist to cuffs Of any type and "Wrassslin" Lol.
Ever heard of Joe Savage???Was trumped up over here as "A brutal Bare fisted Brawler" in the Mid 90's.Big bald Hairy Dude. Reports Said He Had A Compiled record of Unsanctioned Bare knuckle fights at 48-0 with all 48 by KO Over in Europe.
One of the funniest Things Ive seen In a ring on tape.I think it was his PRO debut in professional Boxing against Up and Down Bert Cooper.
Bert really messed him up In less than a round,He was rolling Around like someone in one of those Big round sumo outfits? Reality came early and obvious. Whoops off topic...No Kimbo gets KTFO at a Point In Boxing.IMO.

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LOL I seen that fight...It was Savages only fight lol....What some people don't realize is that these guys fighting underground street fights are going against guys who are not exactly the best cardio wise...also people tend to forget that these fights last about 2-3 min at most,,,,

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As soon as they Know him By Name and not some WWE or MMA type Moniker and Catchy Character name.
Sh!! though.....It worked for The "Rock"?And Yeh..No comparrison Between Fist to cuffs Of any type and "Wrassslin" Lol.
Ever heard of Joe Savage???Was trumped up over here as "A brutal Bare fisted Brawler" in the Mid 90's.Big bald Hairy Dude. Reports Said He Had A Compiled record of Unsanctioned Bare knuckle fights at 48-0 with all 48 by KO Over in Europe.
One of the funniest Things Ive seen In a ring on tape.I think it was his PRO debut in professional Boxing against Up and Down Bert Cooper.
Bert really messed him up In less than a round,He was rolling Around like someone in one of those Big round sumo outfits? Reality came early and obvious. Whoops off topic...No Kimbo gets KTFO at a Point In Boxing.IMO.

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LOL I seen that fight...It was Savages only fight lol....What some people don't realize is that these guys fighting underground street fights are going against guys who are not exactly the best cardio wise...also people tend to forget that these fights last about 2-3 min at most,,,,

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:sumo: :fight:Poor Savage.Its really not a question Imo.How many of these "experiments" have we seen.Its really pretty revealing when you Look into cross-overs .

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Is he still trying to get a fight with Tank Abbott? That would be good because Tank is a scrappy mofo, it would be a bloody fight no doubt. Kimbo is being trained by Bas Rutten? Bas was a badass back in the pancrase (sp?) days.

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:o :o Tank "old as dirt tap out on an ankle lock" Abbott?LMAO ...
Maybe Gracie's granddaddy Is available.If Kimbo plays it right He can co-star opposite the straight to Cable "The Condemmed.....2" with Stone Cold Steve Austin.


He will not do very ......well in boxing!

Seriously I don't want anymore guys that we eventually make fun of in the heavyweight division. It's almost become a punchline to a bad joke when the heavies are mentioned. We might as well talk about Spencer"the king"Fisher being the next great super middle. Kimbo is MMA and back alley, let him stay there before we have another laugh at the Heavyweight Division that use to rule boxing and the world of sports. It's late and I'm on my soapbox, sorry.

kimbo with the best trainer in the world would still got stopped by any of the top ten heavies within 4 rounds.
He has no stamina, all his punches are upperbody strength, no legs what so ever, he would have to change how he goes about fighting in a completely different way. By the time a trainer got him to learn how to stand right, he would be 40 years old (33 now). Lets not make him out to be something he isnt. which is a Really BIG DUDE with a good punch, and im really not tryin to talk Sh!t, but i can find a bunch of those at any local pub around here. obviously not kimbo's size, but u get the point im making.

if Slice had great boxing ability you think he would be messing around in a sport were the money is about a 10th of wot the big name boxers earn ? this kinda sums it up.
a 2 min brawl is not a boxing match.

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As soon as they Know him By Name and not some WWE or MMA type Moniker and Catchy Character name.
Sh!! though.....It worked for The "Rock"?And Yeh..No comparrison Between Fist to cuffs Of any type and "Wrassslin" Lol.
Ever heard of Joe Savage???Was trumped up over here as "A brutal Bare fisted Brawler" in the Mid 90's.Big bald Hairy Dude. Reports Said He Had A Compiled record of Unsanctioned Bare knuckle fights at 48-0 with all 48 by KO Over in Europe.
One of the funniest Things Ive seen In a ring on tape.I think it was his PRO debut in professional Boxing against Up and Down Bert Cooper.
Bert really messed him up In less than a round,He was rolling Around like someone in one of those Big round sumo outfits? Reality came early and obvious. Whoops off topic...No Kimbo gets KTFO at a Point In Boxing.IMO.

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LOL I seen that fight...It was Savages only fight lol....What some people don't realize is that these guys fighting underground street fights are going against guys who are not exactly the best cardio wise...also people tend to forget that these fights last about 2-3 min at most,,,,

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:sumo: :fight:Poor Savage.Its really not a question Imo.How many of these "experiments" have we seen.Its really pretty revealing when you Look into cross-overs .

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Look at that guy Gannon that beat Kimbo on the you tube bout...He gained all kinds of attention for it and the first REAL MMA fight he had the guy was destroyed and never hear from again....

The thing is these guys do not realize is that even a guy like Jeremy Bates who gets the snot beat out of him by every decent HW in the world would kick their ass in a pro ring...I mean these guys train for this countless hours...I get all kinds of tough guys at my gym who come in and think they are just going to step in and kick everyones ass...the first time they spar half way through round one 90% of the time you see them with a time out signal or bending over at the knees exausted...It never gets old watching these idiots.....usually I put them in with my national champ Marcus this way I know they will be humbled but Marcus won't take liberties on them...

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As soon as they Know him By Name and not some WWE or MMA type Moniker and Catchy Character name.
Sh!! though.....It worked for The "Rock"?And Yeh..No comparrison Between Fist to cuffs Of any type and "Wrassslin" Lol.
Ever heard of Joe Savage???Was trumped up over here as "A brutal Bare fisted Brawler" in the Mid 90's.Big bald Hairy Dude. Reports Said He Had A Compiled record of Unsanctioned Bare knuckle fights at 48-0 with all 48 by KO Over in Europe.
One of the funniest Things Ive seen In a ring on tape.I think it was his PRO debut in professional Boxing against Up and Down Bert Cooper.
Bert really messed him up In less than a round,He was rolling Around like someone in one of those Big round sumo outfits? Reality came early and obvious. Whoops off topic...No Kimbo gets KTFO at a Point In Boxing.IMO.

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LOL I seen that fight...It was Savages only fight lol....What some people don't realize is that these guys fighting underground street fights are going against guys who are not exactly the best cardio wise...also people tend to forget that these fights last about 2-3 min at most,,,,

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:sumo: :fight:Poor Savage.Its really not a question Imo.How many of these "experiments" have we seen.Its really pretty revealing when you Look into cross-overs .

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Look at that guy Gannon that beat Kimbo on the you tube bout...He gained all kinds of attention for it and the first REAL MMA fight he had the guy was destroyed and never hear from again....

The thing is these guys do not realize is that even a guy like Jeremy Bates who gets the snot beat out of him by every decent HW in the world would kick their a** in a pro ring...I mean these guys train for this countless hours...I get all kinds of tough guys at my gym who come in and think they are just going to step in and kick everyones a**...the first time they spar half way through round one 90% of the time you see them with a time out signal or bending over at the knees exausted...It never gets old watching these idiots.....usually I put them in with my national champ Marcus this way I know they will be humbled but Marcus won't take liberties on them...

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Brilliantly put Daxx, and true, this humbling I've witnessed myself too many times to remember reality is that 99pc of the time a well groomed pro will dish out a slapping to the undergrounds,

Lets ask how many of these fighters have gone on to be a success in the pro ranks, and thats not because they choose not to be pro's, it's because in reality they face far far too many variables and areas that need discipline, and to be able to cope with or commit to that level takes frighteningly hard work, as well as sacrifice and dedication, and thats just to be in with a shout,

Hence most of the undergrounds tend to scrap it out in the shadows where they incur a financially b-movie status.. :badass:

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If Jeremy actually trained for a fight,rather then having a record just good enough to collect a good pay day for getting his butt whupped,he'd pick his bones clean.
From what Ive seen of Kimbo,his footwork is terrible,and he desperatly wants to come over to an elbow strike,leaving him very vunerable.All his hooks seem to break to early

Perhaps he could have been a good boxer had he started earlier on a proper training schedule with good technique instruction. But as others have said at present there is too much for him to learn to make a go of it in the HW division. Plenty of guys fight well at his age but have been doing so for 10-15 years and from all accounts Kimbo has only recently started serious training with Bas Rutten. He might get the odd lucky early KO against some but i'd say unless he finds a time machine MMA is where he needs to stay.

I don't think Bass Rutten would have trained him if he didn't see talent.

Anyway people will see Kimbo that way no matter what he does.

Rey mercer was supposed to knock him out he won and rey is past it(which is true but he submitted him)

And he wins hsi first mma fight and people say the guy wasn't there to win.


Brock Lesnar however ahs an MMa fight and people think he's legit in the heavyweight division off of that performance when his stand up more or less sucks and he gets a sign with UFC and people think he can be a force.

Brock has an NCAA background and AAA wrestling background too to go with it so it gives hiim more legitimacy.

But Kimbo's background is basically stand up and striking, I don't think anyone questions that.

And I think Bas is working on that cardio conditioning.

You take a fact and make it look like it can't get fixed. bas is probably working on those weaknesses that Kimbo has in terms of gassing and making him better at what he does.

its not like we're dealing with a jack mosley here

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its not like we're dealing with a jack mosley here

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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha!!!

"Umm...um...um...well Shane...he's umm...he's comin atcha...& when he...when he ummm...does...ummm...move to the left...uh...no...the right...& then...ahhhhhhhhhhhh hell Shane...just umm..." DING! BELL!! "You on yo' own son!"

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its not like we're dealing with a jack mosley here

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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha!!!

"Umm...um...um...well Shane...he's umm...he's comin atcha...& when he...when he ummm...does...ummm...move to the left...uh...no...the right...& then...ahhhhhhhhhhhh hell Shane...just umm..." DING! BELL!! "You on yo' own son!"

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:lolhaha: :rofmaoal:Perfect Replay.
I swore during the RBR that he was Reading from an Instructions manual.CLUELESS!There was a point that stuck with me when Jack went through one of his "cut & paste" instructions..shane Looked up and to the side slightly on nthe stool and said..................."I dont know".Reality moment.