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Manfredo's/Lacy's stock after their fight...
If you look at both fighters anyone can say that this is a must win for both of them...
This is def a crossroads fight but the funny thing is how I view the stock of both men should either win.
Everyone who has ever posted on this board knows I'm a Manfredo fan but I also really like Lacy. This fight intriques me because both of them need a boost. But what will this fight do for the stock of both fighters? Will it really be a boost for both of them?
Result: Lacy by KO(I do NOT see this happening)
What people will say:
Lacy's power is back after his surgery. He was expected to win. He KO'd Manfredo who has never been KO'd(yet many in the boxing comunity will say this was "supposed" to happen)
-Stock rises due to the KO that has never happened before. We as fans do put stock in the first time a man hits the canvas or is KO'd
Result:Manfredo by KO(Lets be serious ;D)
What people will say: Lacy is finished. Calzaghe broke him. If this happened it would put Manfredo on another level and back in the title contension picture.
-Stock would climb drimatically and the "overrated" tag would loosen.
Result:Lacy by dec.(This is more fisable to me)
What people will say: Manfredo is and will stay a fringe contender. But people will wonder if Lacy really ever had "Power" or if it was just the opposition.
-Stock would rise slightly but questions about him ever again becoming champ would still be prominent.
Result:Manfredo by dec.(This is also a fisable outcome with the shoulder and confidence in question)
What people would say: Lacy was broken by calzaghe and was beaten by a "contender". It will be a long road back to contension and Manfredo just may be better then we all thought.
-Stock would rise much higher then it is now having a name of a former champ on your resume with only one lose.
Result:Draw(This another fisable conclusion)
-Stock of Lacy would drop and Stock of Manfredo would rise.
This is just how it works out in my head and what it seems to me is that minus a KO of Manfredo, Lacy's stock takes the most hit on this fight. Basicly Manfredo Jr. is supposed to lose but a dec. would not really help his stock but maybe his confidence. I don't see Manfredo being KO'd by Lacy.
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I'd say it won't do much for Lacy unless he wins impressively. Manfredo will get big props if he pulls this off. I don't think Lacy is as good as people think.
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lacy will win
fantastic insight! :o :o :o
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
Oh yeah he'll still get dogged. People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy... It can go either way but it will be a close dec.
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
Oh yeah he'll still get dogged. People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy... It can go either way but it will be a close dec.
I know. He shouldn't have been in with Calzaghe, because he's not in the same class. Even though he was pulled out early, he took it on the chin and came back to have 2 more fights in 2 months. He didn't bitch or moan about being hard done by. I respect his character because doesn't get disheartened by his setbacks, as many boxers do.
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Lacy will beat him with stock to spare.
Manfredo is utter crap.
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
Oh yeah he'll still get dogged. People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy... It can go either way but it will be a close dec.
I know. He shouldn't have been in with Calzaghe, because he's not in the same class. Even though he was pulled out early, he took it on the chin and came back to have 2 more fights in 2 months. He didn't bitch or moan about being hard done by. I respect his character because doesn't get disheartened by his setbacks, as many boxers do.
Well ultimatly he knows he was in over his head. as a fan I'm glad that didn't go deeper. I don't like to watch fighters get embarassed... I think he belongs about 13-15 in the SMW div. The way he's talked about around hear you'd think he was a garbage fighter with no skill or power. I think he is a B level fghter but I don't give Lacy anymore then that either. People think he's gonna come off this shoulder surgery and be able to throw it with rediculous conviction and all of a sudden be able to box like sweet pea... Stop it. Manfredo is 3 years younger then Lacy and he has more ring experience.
Everyone picking Lacy is just starnge. I understand he is a former world champ but look at both their records. Show me all the rediculously fantastic fighters on his record that KO'd with his "power".
Lacy KO s 75% of his opponants and Manfredo 50%.
Manfredo has 179 pro rounds and Lacy has 122
Manfredo never been down or KO'd
I don't see where this is the mismatch people are making it! >:mad
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Lacy will beat him with stock to spare.
Manfredo is utter crap.
I agree. Manfredo is not good at all, I appreciate POB zeal for Petey and I must say if Little Petey ever became a Bona Fied champ(when hell froze over) you would definetly be the original pusher and 1st fan of his around here.
That being said I think you are on Peteys pay roll cuase your his best promoter. He sucks really bad, he is mediocre at best and you can tell me all the blah blah stats about his rank before the contender.... If it wasnt for that show he would be 0 today absolutely zilch. I mean Morrade Hakkar was Hopkins mandatory back in 2003 and you didnt hear anyone singing his praises from the tree tops ::** Manfredo should kiss Stallone's and Sugar Ray's asss for wherehe is today
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JT could you do me a favor and respond to this I think we posted at the same time...
I was waiting for you on this thread cuz I know you'd have good imput and your a Lacy fan.
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Well ultimatly he knows he was in over his head. as a fan I'm glad that didn't go deeper. I don't like to watch fighters get embarassed... I think he belongs about 13-15 in the SMW div. The way he's talked about around hear you'd think he was a garbage fighter with no skill or power. I think he is a B level fghter but I don't give Lacy anymore then that either. People think he's gonna come off this shoulder surgery and be able to throw it with rediculous conviction and all of a sudden be able to box like sweet pea... Stop it. Manfredo is 3 years younger then Lacy and he has more ring experience.
Everyone picking Lacy is just starnge. I understand he is a former world champ but look at both their records. Show me all the rediculously fantastic fighters on his record that KO'd with his "power".
Lacy KO s 75% of his opponants and Manfredo 50%.
Manfredo has 179 pro rounds and Lacy has 122
Manfredo never been down or KO'd
I don't see where this is the mismatch people are making it! >:mad
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
Oh yeah he'll still get dogged.  People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...  It can go either way but it will be a close dec.
I know. He shouldn't have been in with Calzaghe, because he's not in the same class. Even though he was pulled out early, he took it on the chin and came back to have 2 more fights in 2 months. He didn't bitch or moan about being hard done by. I respect his character because doesn't get disheartened by his setbacks, as many boxers do.
Well ultimatly he knows he was in over his head.  as a fan I'm glad that didn't go deeper.  I don't like to watch fighters get embarassed...  I think he belongs about 13-15 in the SMW div.  The way he's talked about around hear you'd think he was a garbage fighter with no skill or power.  I think he is a B level fghter but I don't give Lacy anymore then that either.  People think he's gonna come off this shoulder surgery and be able to throw it with rediculous conviction and all of a sudden be able to box like sweet pea...  Stop it.  Manfredo is 3 years younger then Lacy and he has more ring experience.
Everyone picking Lacy is just starnge.  I understand he is a former world champ but look at both their records.  Show me all the rediculously fantastic fighters on his record that KO'd with his "power". 
Lacy KO s 75% of his opponants and Manfredo 50%.
Manfredo has 179 pro rounds and Lacy has 122
Manfredo never been down or KO'd
I don't see where this is the mismatch people are making it! >:mad
Lacy is a top 5 supermiddle, and earned his way there. He wasnt a product of a goddamn shitty reality show. Dont even try to come in here and sell your bullshit that Manfredo should even be in the same class as Lacy ;D Jeff Ko'd Reid, Williams,Vanderpool and desicioned Sheika.
Manfredo hasnt done shiit. He has nothing over Lacy's comp NOTHING... Manfredo cant even carry Lacy's jock strap. It took Manfredo 1 more round to dispatch of their common opponent(Pemberton) Who Jeff lifted off the ground and had him in the fetal position
all jokin aside bro you know I respect your opinion and your zeal for Manfredo since he is from your town... but I just dont see him beating Jeff
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Lacy's confidence got utterly smashed when he lost to Calzaghe and needed a couple of fights to get that confidence back.
Manfredo is a pussy!!! He came to England and ran from Calzaghe for 3 embarrassing rounds.
Lacy will dominate Manafraido and then go on to bigger things. This is just a come back fight in my opinion. Lacy's camp know this will be an easy win and see it as the perfect stepping stone.
Manfredo is a journey man at best!
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
Oh yeah he'll still get dogged.  People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...  It can go either way but it will be a close dec.
I know. He shouldn't have been in with Calzaghe, because he's not in the same class. Even though he was pulled out early, he took it on the chin and came back to have 2 more fights in 2 months. He didn't bitch or moan about being hard done by. I respect his character because doesn't get disheartened by his setbacks, as many boxers do.
Well ultimatly he knows he was in over his head.  as a fan I'm glad that didn't go deeper.  I don't like to watch fighters get embarassed...  I think he belongs about 13-15 in the SMW div.  The way he's talked about around hear you'd think he was a garbage fighter with no skill or power.  I think he is a B level fghter but I don't give Lacy anymore then that either.  People think he's gonna come off this shoulder surgery and be able to throw it with rediculous conviction and all of a sudden be able to box like sweet pea...  Stop it.  Manfredo is 3 years younger then Lacy and he has more ring experience.
Everyone picking Lacy is just starnge.  I understand he is a former world champ but look at both their records.  Show me all the rediculously fantastic fighters on his record that KO'd with his "power". 
Lacy KO s 75% of his opponants and Manfredo 50%.
Manfredo has 179 pro rounds and Lacy has 122
Manfredo never been down or KO'd
I don't see where this is the mismatch people are making it! >:mad
Lacy is a top 5 supermiddle, and earned his way there. He wasnt a product of a goddamn shitty reality show. Dont even try to come in here and sell your bullshit that Manfredo should even be in the same class as Lacy;D Jeff Ko'd Reid, Williams,Vanderpool and desicioned Sheika.
Manfredo hasnt done shiit. He has nothing over Lacy's comp NOTHING... Manfredo cant even carry Lacy's jock strap. It took Manfredo 1 more round to dispatch of their common opponent(Pemberton) Who Jeff lifted off the ground and had him in the fetal position
I think I just did sell my bullshit up there...  You're just not buying.  Look, He has four more KOs then peter...  Lacy 29 and Manfredo's 21-0 record prior was not a product of the show.  But hey whatever...  Maybe Manfredo could have gotten as sound a beating as Lacy did if he had been given the chanch...
Again, I don't know where this mismatch bullshit comes from. 
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also dont forget guys like Vitali klitschko who have torn the cuff and come back just fine.... Also Jeff has power in both fists,and if Pete dosent hit the ground I see the fight ending in a TKO. Jeff is just a big physically imposing guy who is better suited for 175lb. between fights Jeff is well over 190 and chiseled. I just see him bulling Peter to the ropes and wearing him down. Jeff is a great inside fighter and likes it messy in close
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Lacy's confidence got utterly smashed when he lost to Calzaghe and needed a couple of fights to get that confidence back.
Manfredo is a pussy!!! He came to England and ran from Calzaghe for 3 embarrassing rounds.
Lacy will dominate Manafraido and then go on to bigger things. This is just a come back fight in my opinion. Lacy's camp know this will be an easy win and see it as the perfect stepping stone.
Manfredo is a journey man at best!
If you think this is gonna be an easy fight then... well... you're gonna be a little disappoited!
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also dont forget guys like Vitali klitschko who have torn the cuff and come back just fine.... Also Jeff has power in both fists,and if Pete dosent hit the ground I see the fight ending in a TKO. Jeff is just a big physically imposing guy who is better suited for 175lb. between fights Jeff is well over 190 and chiseled. I just see him bulling Peter to the ropes and wearing him down. Jeff is a great inside fighter and likes it messy in close
This is true... It really comes down to peters movement and if he comes in flat it is true that he can get worn down and KO'd late but all this destuction talk is just irritating!
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Lacy's confidence got utterly smashed when he lost to Calzaghe and needed a couple of fights to get that confidence back.
Manfredo is a pussy!!! He came to England and ran from Calzaghe for 3 embarrassing rounds.
Lacy will dominate Manafraido and then go on to bigger things. This is just a come back fight in my opinion. Lacy's camp know this will be an easy win and see it as the perfect stepping stone.
Manfredo is a journey man at best!
If you think this is gonna be an easy fight then... well... you're gonna be a little disappoited!
I guess we'll agree to disagree!
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
Oh yeah he'll still get dogged. People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy... It can go either way but it will be a close dec.
I know. He shouldn't have been in with Calzaghe, because he's not in the same class. Even though he was pulled out early, he took it on the chin and came back to have 2 more fights in 2 months. He didn't bitch or moan about being hard done by. I respect his character because doesn't get disheartened by his setbacks, as many boxers do.
Well ultimatly he knows he was in over his head. as a fan I'm glad that didn't go deeper. I don't like to watch fighters get embarassed... I think he belongs about 13-15 in the SMW div. The way he's talked about around hear you'd think he was a garbage fighter with no skill or power. I think he is a B level fghter but I don't give Lacy anymore then that either. People think he's gonna come off this shoulder surgery and be able to throw it with rediculous conviction and all of a sudden be able to box like sweet pea... Stop it. Manfredo is 3 years younger then Lacy and he has more ring experience.
Everyone picking Lacy is just starnge. I understand he is a former world champ but look at both their records. Show me all the rediculously fantastic fighters on his record that KO'd with his "power".
Lacy KO s 75% of his opponants and Manfredo 50%.
Manfredo has 179 pro rounds and Lacy has 122
Manfredo never been down or KO'd
I don't see where this is the mismatch people are making it! >:mad
Lacy is a top 5 supermiddle, and earned his way there. He wasnt a product of a goddamn shitty reality show. Dont even try to come in here and sell your bullshit that Manfredo should even be in the same class as Lacy;D Jeff Ko'd Reid, Williams,Vanderpool and desicioned Sheika.
Manfredo hasnt done shiit. He has nothing over Lacy's comp NOTHING... Manfredo cant even carry Lacy's jock strap. It took Manfredo 1 more round to dispatch of their common opponent(Pemberton) Who Jeff lifted off the ground and had him in the fetal position
I think I just did sell my bullshit up there... You're just not buying. Look, He has four more KOs then peter... Lacy 29 and Manfredo's 21-0 record prior was not a product of the show. But hey whatever... Maybe Manfredo could have gotten as sound a beating as Lacy did if he had been given the chanch...
Again, I don't know where this mismatch bullshit comes from.
I hope you saw my revision to my post I didnt mean to comw across as terse as I did ;)
Lacy has fought top of the top supermiddle comp at the time except Kessler who Jeff would have fought if he didnt get waxed by JC. Manfredo dosent even have close to the same resume or level of comp. I mean look at the record all you want a look at the total # of KO's but we both know that its just symantics at this point. i mean you cant seriously tell me that Manfredo has fought anywhere close to the level of Lacy? So it really makes that 4 more Ko comparison ridiculously twisted to me
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
Oh yeah he'll still get dogged. People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy... It can go either way but it will be a close dec.
I know. He shouldn't have been in with Calzaghe, because he's not in the same class. Even though he was pulled out early, he took it on the chin and came back to have 2 more fights in 2 months. He didn't bitch or moan about being hard done by. I respect his character because doesn't get disheartened by his setbacks, as many boxers do.
Well ultimatly he knows he was in over his head. as a fan I'm glad that didn't go deeper. I don't like to watch fighters get embarassed... I think he belongs about 13-15 in the SMW div. The way he's talked about around hear you'd think he was a garbage fighter with no skill or power. I think he is a B level fghter but I don't give Lacy anymore then that either. People think he's gonna come off this shoulder surgery and be able to throw it with rediculous conviction and all of a sudden be able to box like sweet pea... Stop it. Manfredo is 3 years younger then Lacy and he has more ring experience.
Everyone picking Lacy is just starnge. I understand he is a former world champ but look at both their records. Show me all the rediculously fantastic fighters on his record that KO'd with his "power".
Lacy KO s 75% of his opponants and Manfredo 50%.
Manfredo has 179 pro rounds and Lacy has 122
Manfredo never been down or KO'd
I don't see where this is the mismatch people are making it! >:mad
Lacy is a top 5 supermiddle, and earned his way there. He wasnt a product of a goddamn shitty reality show. Dont even try to come in here and sell your bullshit that Manfredo should even be in the same class as Lacy;D Jeff Ko'd Reid, Williams,Vanderpool and desicioned Sheika.
Manfredo hasnt done shiit. He has nothing over Lacy's comp NOTHING... Manfredo cant even carry Lacy's jock strap. It took Manfredo 1 more round to dispatch of their common opponent(Pemberton) Who Jeff lifted off the ground and had him in the fetal position
I think I just did sell my bullshit up there... You're just not buying. Look, He has four more KOs then peter... Lacy 29 and Manfredo's 21-0 record prior was not a product of the show. But hey whatever... Maybe Manfredo could have gotten as sound a beating as Lacy did if he had been given the chanch...
Again, I don't know where this mismatch bullshit comes from.
I hope you saw my revision to my post I didnt mean to comw across as terse as I did ;)
Lacy has fought top of the top supermiddle comp at the time except Kessler who Jeff would have fought if he didnt get waxed by JC. Manfredo dosent even have close to the same resume or level of comp. I mean look at the record all you want a look at the total # of KO's but we both know that its just symantics at this point. i mean you cant seriously tell me that Manfredo has fought anywhere close to the level of Lacy? So it really makes that 4 more Ko comparison ridiculously twisted to me
Nah, I didn't take any disrespect.
I hear what you're saying but my point was only that this is not as big a mismatch as people think it will be. I never said I expect Manfredo to box his pants off nor do I think that Manfredo deservs to be in the top 10. I gave him 13-15 at best is my post prior.
This is what my point of this thread was
1# this fight has more implications of damaging Lacy's stock then improving it
2# this is not as large a mismatch as people think. (there are many variables that people don't take into consideration. such as the things I listed above)
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Is Roach training Manfredo? I think that makes a big difference.. When Roach was training him his technique was nearly flawless, and even though the level of opposition was questionable, he disposed of them with KO's like he should have.
The key to Manfredo winning this match is more bobbing and weaving, then just trying to block and use his gloves to absorb Lacy's shots.. He's a tough kid but Lacy has the power to wear you down even if your'e blocking the bombs.. Manfredo needs to be moving every second of the fight.. I give Lacy a 60/40 chance to win this fight, but would absolutely LOVE to see Manfredo win.
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Is Roach training Manfredo? I think that makes a big difference.. When Roach was training him his technique was nearly flawless, and even though the level of opposition was questionable, he disposed of them with KO's like he should have.
The key to Manfredo winning this match is more bobbing and weaving, then just trying to block and use his gloves to absorb Lacy's shots.. He's a tough kid but Lacy has the power to wear you down even if your'e blocking the bombs.. Manfredo needs to be moving every second of the fight.. I give Lacy a 60/40 chance to win this fight, but would absolutely LOVE to see Manfredo win.
I think 60/40 Lacy is pretty accurate... People around here think it's like .00006/99.00004 Lacy.
I don't care if I'm virtually alone in this...
If there were no underdogs there would be no great fights!
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Is Roach training Manfredo? I think that makes a big difference.. When Roach was training him his technique was nearly flawless, and even though the level of opposition was questionable, he disposed of them with KO's like he should have.
The key to Manfredo winning this match is more bobbing and weaving, then just trying to block and use his gloves to absorb Lacy's shots.. He's a tough kid but Lacy has the power to wear you down even if your'e blocking the bombs.. Manfredo needs to be moving every second of the fight.. I give Lacy a 60/40 chance to win this fight, but would absolutely LOVE to see Manfredo win.
I think 60/40 Lacy is pretty accurate... People around here think it's like .00006/99.00004 Lacy.
I don't care if I'm virtually alone in this...
If there were no underdogs there would be no great fights!
very true.. POB any idea if Roach will be training manfredo?
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Is Roach training Manfredo?  I think that makes a big difference..  When Roach was training him his technique was nearly flawless, and even though the level of opposition was questionable, he disposed of them with KO's like he should have. 
The key to Manfredo winning this match is more bobbing and weaving, then just trying to block and use his gloves to absorb Lacy's shots.. He's a tough kid but Lacy has the power to wear you down even if your'e blocking the bombs.. Manfredo needs to be moving every second of the fight.. I give Lacy a 60/40 chance to win this fight, but would absolutely LOVE to see Manfredo win.
I think 60/40 Lacy is pretty accurate...  People around here think it's like .00006/99.00004 Lacy.
I don't care if I'm virtually alone in this...
If there were no underdogs there would be no great fights!
very true.. POB any idea if Roach will be training manfredo?
That's what I hear...  If not I see a long night(or short) for Peter.  His punches were shorter and the movement was better with Roach.  Manfredo Sr. Just screams at him in the corner... 
But, yeah, as far as I know he is!
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Ok, I gotta throw my hat in the ring again on the contender hate.
The boxers that were on the contender were boxers before the show. They weren't actors that showed up to learn to box. They were your average everyday fighters trying to make a career and they got this opportunity so now they are more well known and make more money since their careers are based on entertainment they make more money by being more well known. Fighters don't make more money just because they have more skill. There are many highly skilled fighters that are not well known and don't make much money. The higher the weight class the more money for the fights, even though most of the time the heavy's don't fight nearly as active as a lower weight class. It's a fact folks.
If you liken the contender to american idol or some other type of talent show maybe you will get the idea of how this works. They get on the show and compete against one another for the prize offered. They are competing to win the show and they get a lot of publicity which helps them to become more well known. Nobody says they are the greatest most talented people in the world, they just happened to be the most talented on the show at the time.
Madonna is one of the most popular and highest paid recording artists. She isn't the best singer, not the best dancer, not the best song writer, yet she's one of the most popular and well known and highest paid??? Because for some reason people like her, that's just how it goes. The contestants on the contender (most of them) had established careers and many of them had been on Friday night fights a few times. Most of them fought some upcoming prospects and were on the losing side of the deal.
Maybe some of you are getting the "Contender" confused with "The Next Great Champ" that ODH put on. That was crap, those guys weren't fighters, the first guy cried because he actually had to get in the ring. The contender has had experienced professionals for the most part.
Maybe everyone wouldn't be saying boxing is dying if it's true fans (those of us that watch any fight, not just big names) didn't throw every fighter that's not undefeated under the bus. Also when middle of the road guys get a decent paycheck and can make a career rather than just the big names, it's a good thing. There is way too much disparity in paydays. ODH can fight anyone and get millions while some of the most competetive and entertaining fights happen for a few thousand.
And my take on the fight is Manfredo is talented enough to give anyone a tough fight. I don't see him beating Lacy but I think it will be competitive and entertaining which is what I look for in a fight. The whole thing with J.C. was an abortion and Manfredo got robbed. It was a bogus stoppage and everyone knows it. If JC was dodging a flurry like that against someone and they stopped it there would have been an uproar. It was crap and everyone knows it. The stoppage was based upon the preconceived notion that Manfredo was out of his league rather than what happened in the ring. Sure he most likely would have lost but he didn't get beat, didn't run, didn't do anything wrong to have the ref step in way too early. He was respecting the speed that JC punches with and waiting to punch back, dodging and blocking almost every punch, wasn't in trouble, certainly wasn't winning but it was a crap stoppage no matter what.
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I see Manfredo winning, hes had 2 good wins since the Calzaghe fight and Lacy has done nothing for a year and has had surgery, Lacy has had his 15 minutes at the top and after what Joe did to him Lacys name will hold no fear to anyone, he just wont be the same, not that he was that good to start with, I said this before his drubbing at the hands of Calzaghe and its downhill all the way. It says alot about his fear factor that reality tv losers are trying to get his name to pad their record ;D
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Depends on how either wins or if Lacy will be gunshy after hurting his arm.
lacy should win this one if he works on his combinations.
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I see Manfredo winning, hes had 2 good wins since the Calzaghe fight and Lacy has done nothing for a year and has had surgery, Lacy has had his 15 minutes at the top and after what Joe did to him Lacys name will hold no fear to anyone, he just wont be the same, not that he was that good to start with, I said this before his drubbing at the hands of Calzaghe and its downhill all the way. It says alot about his fear factor that reality tv losers are trying to get his name to pad their record ;D
2 Good wins ??????????
Ted Muller was 19-10-2
Dave Banks was 14.1.1 and then lost his next fight after Manfredo !!!
People think Manfredo is a WORLD contender ? no im sorry i dont buy it.
Lacy wins by stoppage inside 6 even with i arm for me :)
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I see Manfredo winning, hes had 2 good wins since the Calzaghe fight and Lacy has done nothing for a year and has had surgery, Lacy has had his 15 minutes at the top and after what Joe did to him Lacys name will hold no fear to anyone, he just wont be the same, not that he was that good to start with, I said this before his drubbing at the hands of Calzaghe and its downhill all the way. It says alot about his fear factor that reality tv losers are trying to get his name to pad their record ;D
2 Good wins ??????????
Ted Muller was 19-10-2
Dave Banks was 14.1.1 and then lost his next fight after Manfredo !!!
People think Manfredo is a WORLD contender ? no im sorry i dont buy it.
Lacy wins by stoppage inside 6 even with i arm for me :)
I'm amazed people think Lacy still is though. I'm sorry, but I don't care what the judges said, he lost to Tsypko. He was gifted the decision. Calzaghe has ruined him, he's not someone I consider world class anymore.
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
Sorry but thats just a stupid statement. Honestly, if you can name 50 Super-Middles who actually have a better record and are more accomplished than Manfredo then I'd be surprised. If you don't like the guy, fair enough...but thats just a hater comment.
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
Sorry but thats just a stupid statement. Honestly, if you can name 50 Super-Middles who actually have a better record and are more accomplished than Manfredo then I'd be surprised. If you don't like the guy, fair enough...but thats just a hater comment.
Do you think i woulding care to post 50 fighter,but i can give you a few one ,whom better than womanfredo
Librado Andrade
Alejandro Berrio
Allan Green
Robert Stieglitz
Jean Pascal
Sam Soliman
Jean Paul Mendy
Cristian Sanavia
Mads Larsen
Robin Reid
Jackson Chanet
Lolenga Mock
Mario Veit
Anthony Hanshaw
Danilo Haussler
Paul Smith
Yusaf Mack
Antwun Echols
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
Sorry but thats just a stupid statement. Honestly, if you can name 50 Super-Middles who actually have a better record and are more accomplished than Manfredo then I'd be surprised. If you don't like the guy, fair enough...but thats just a hater comment.
Do you think i woulding care to post 50 fighter,but i can give you a few one ,whom better than womanfredo
Librado Andrade
Alejandro Berrio
Allan Green
Robert Stieglitz
Jean Pascal
Sam Soliman
Jean Paul Mendy
Cristian Sanavia
Mads Larsen
Robin Reid
Jackson Chanet
Lolenga Mock
Mario Veit
Anthony Hanshaw
Danilo Haussler
Paul Smith
Yusaf Mack
Antwun Echols
Wow, nice cool click to sad click ratio... Must be because of your gratuitous knowlege of the fight game... We had stated that manfredo belonged in the top 20... you said the top 50 and then proceeded to name only 18 men who you believe belong in front of him. Hmmmm... My math may be off but that looks like you'd have him at 19...
Good job!
Go finger paint, kid!
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
Sorry but thats just a stupid statement. Honestly, if you can name 50 Super-Middles who actually have a better record and are more accomplished than Manfredo then I'd be surprised. If you don't like the guy, fair enough...but thats just a hater comment.
Do you think i woulding care to post 50 fighter,but i can give you a few one ,whom better than womanfredo
Librado Andrade
Alejandro Berrio
Allan Green
Robert Stieglitz
Jean Pascal
Sam Soliman
Jean Paul Mendy
Cristian Sanavia
Mads Larsen
Robin Reid
Jackson Chanet
Lolenga Mock
Mario Veit
Anthony Hanshaw
Danilo Haussler
Paul Smith
Yusaf Mack
Antwun Echols
Robin Reid has retired and even if he wasn't he's nowhere near that level. If you think Echols is better, you must be taking the piss. I think he'd beat Allan Green and he's on the level of Stieglitz, Hanshaw.
Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Bute, Froch, Inkin, Zuniga, Miranda, Smith, Bika, Berrio, Mack & Mundine are the divisions quality.
You're making him out to be worse than he is. POB is his biggest fan on here, but he'd be the first to admit that Manfredo isn't world class. He's an average fighter, but I'd hardly say he was shit.
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
Sorry but thats just a stupid statement. Honestly, if you can name 50 Super-Middles who actually have a better record and are more accomplished than Manfredo then I'd be surprised. If you don't like the guy, fair enough...but thats just a hater comment.
Do you think i woulding care to post 50 fighter,but i can give you a few one ,whom better than womanfredo
Librado Andrade
Alejandro Berrio
Allan Green
Robert Stieglitz
Jean Pascal
Sam Soliman
Jean Paul Mendy
Cristian Sanavia
Mads Larsen
Robin Reid
Jackson Chanet
Lolenga Mock
Mario Veit
Anthony Hanshaw
Danilo Haussler
Paul Smith
Yusaf Mack
Antwun Echols
Robin Reid has retired and even if he wasn't he's nowhere near that level. If you think Echols is better, you must be taking the piss. I think he'd beat Allan Green and he's on the level of Stieglitz, Hanshaw.
Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Bute, Froch, Inkin, Zuniga, Miranda, Smith, Bika, Berrio, Mack & Mundine are the divisions quality.
You're making him out to be worse than he is. POB is his biggest fan on here, but he'd be the first to admit that Manfredo isn't world class. He's an average fighter, but I'd hardly say he was shit.
I appreciate it bzkfn but he'll prove it for himself. and you're right, I would not put him in the world class picture. You'd have to be an idiot to do so. guys like Kess and Joe would(has) murder him. But to say he's a shit fighter is just incorrect.
Look, I'm not a rediculous fanboy. I'll call a spade a spade. Manfredo is a B fighter who needs to work on things. I hope he hasn't peaked yet cuz I've enjoyed his improvments with Roach. He's done well for him self. Yes he got the title shot cuz of the show. No he did not deserve it. But he was Ranked in the top 15 @ Jr middle years before the show so lets be real and stop bashing for the sake of bashing, jangeorg!
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
Sorry but thats just a stupid statement. Honestly, if you can name 50 Super-Middles who actually have a better record and are more accomplished than Manfredo then I'd be surprised. If you don't like the guy, fair enough...but thats just a hater comment.
Do you think i woulding care to post 50 fighter,but i can give you a few one ,whom better than womanfredo
Librado Andrade
Alejandro Berrio
Allan Green
Robert Stieglitz
Jean Pascal
Sam Soliman
Jean Paul Mendy
Cristian Sanavia
Mads Larsen
Robin Reid
Jackson Chanet
Lolenga Mock
Mario Veit
Anthony Hanshaw
Danilo Haussler
Paul Smith
Yusaf Mack
Antwun Echols
Robin Reid has retired and even if he wasn't he's nowhere near that level. If you think Echols is better, you must be taking the piss. I think he'd beat Allan Green and he's on the level of Stieglitz, Hanshaw.
Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Bute, Froch, Inkin, Zuniga, Miranda, Smith, Bika, Berrio, Mack & Mundine are the divisions quality.
You're making him out to be worse than he is. POB is his biggest fan on here, but he'd be the first to admit that Manfredo isn't world class. He's an average fighter, but I'd hardly say he was S***.
I appreciate it bzkfn but he'll prove it for himself. and you're right, I would not put him in the world class picture. You'd have to be an idiot to do so. guys like Kess and Joe would(has) murder him. But to say he's a S*** fighter is just incorrect.
Look, I'm not a rediculous fanboy. I'll call a spade a spade. Manfredo is a B fighter who needs to work on things. I hope he hasn't peaked yet cuz I've enjoyed his improvments with Roach. He's done well for him self. Yes he got the title shot cuz of the show. No he did not deserve it. But he was Ranked in the top 15 @ Jr middle years before the show so lets be real and stop bashing for the sake of bashing, jangeorg!
:coolclick: #274. I agree. Jangeorg basically said 50 fighters just as a way of bashing him. I'd bet good money that he's seen 2 of his fights and had to look on boxrec to find some of those fighters he listed.
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If Manfredo tucks in his defence, works off the jab and just boxes, he'll take Lacy by decision. Lacy is one dimensional and plods forward. I think Pete should just pick his punches and cover up. I'm going for Manfredo by decision. He's nothing special, but he's better than most on Saddo's are willing to give him credit for.
People don't even think he belongs in the top 20 which is crazy...
He dosent belongs in the top 20 ,not even in top 50
Sorry but thats just a stupid statement. Honestly, if you can name 50 Super-Middles who actually have a better record and are more accomplished than Manfredo then I'd be surprised. If you don't like the guy, fair enough...but thats just a hater comment.
Do you think i woulding care to post 50 fighter,but i can give you a few one ,whom better than womanfredo
Librado Andrade
Alejandro Berrio
Allan Green
Robert Stieglitz
Jean Pascal
Sam Soliman
Jean Paul Mendy
Cristian Sanavia
Mads Larsen
Robin Reid
Jackson Chanet
Lolenga Mock
Mario Veit
Anthony Hanshaw
Danilo Haussler
Paul Smith
Yusaf Mack
Antwun Echols
Robin Reid has retired and even if he wasn't he's nowhere near that level. If you think Echols is better, you must be taking the piss. I think he'd beat Allan Green and he's on the level of Stieglitz, Hanshaw.
Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Bute, Froch, Inkin, Zuniga, Miranda, Smith, Bika, Berrio, Mack & Mundine are the divisions quality.
You're making him out to be worse than he is. POB is his biggest fan on here, but he'd be the first to admit that Manfredo isn't world class. He's an average fighter, but I'd hardly say he was S***.
I appreciate it bzkfn but he'll prove it for himself. and you're right, I would not put him in the world class picture. You'd have to be an idiot to do so. guys like Kess and Joe would(has) murder him. But to say he's a S*** fighter is just incorrect.
Look, I'm not a rediculous fanboy. I'll call a spade a spade. Manfredo is a B fighter who needs to work on things. I hope he hasn't peaked yet cuz I've enjoyed his improvments with Roach. He's done well for him self. Yes he got the title shot cuz of the show. No he did not deserve it. But he was Ranked in the top 15 @ Jr middle years before the show so lets be real and stop bashing for the sake of bashing, jangeorg!
:coolclick: #274. I agree. Jangeorg basically said 50 fighters just as a way of bashing him. I'd bet good money that he's seen 2 of his fights and had to look on boxrec to find some of those fighters he listed.
Gotcha with a CC earlier! ;D
Very true! Whatever, people are gonna think what they're gonna think. I understand alot of the disdane. Peter did virtually nothing in this div to even earn close to a title shot. There are guys like Kess who had to wait in like behind the likes of manfredo... I understand why people feel the way they do. Thats why he has to earn it. A good showing against Lacy will put him in the top ten. How well will he do? Only time and Freddy Roach will tell but his style has room for growth. Thats why I like him so much.
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Jageorg is just grumpy because his boy Kessler lost and that "bum" Lacy is on the comeback trail meaning he could overtake Kessler,so Jan is trying to demean anyone Jeff fights. ;D
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Jageorg is just grumpy because his boy Kessler lost and that "bum" Lacy is on the comeback trail meaning he could overtake Kessler,so Jan is trying to demean anyone Jeff fights. ;D
Ah, I see ;D
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