Hagler vs. Jones jr. Middleweight, in their Prime.

Hagler's conventional style vs. Jones' unconventional one. Hagler's power vs. Jones' speed. Jones' power vs. Hagler's chin.

The style matchup is intersting. Despite his reputation for playing it safe, Jones really did not fight SRL or Ali style, dancing backwards, jabbing, and counterpunching. His defense was his offense, and he usually tried to control the pace of the fight by going forwards and landing power shots, sometimes even devoid of jabs. Even when he went backwards he didn't display quite the extreme movement that SRL did when he fought Hagler with this style (which is obviously the template to beat Hagler). Would this play into Hagler's hands or would the unconventional angles of Jones's punches prove problematic for Hagler?

My guess is that Hagler's chin was the best in history and even Jones would not be able to change that. Hagler's relentless aggression would finally get to Jones' chin late.

If it's at Middle, I think I'd go for Hagler. Jones looked better as a SMW/LHW IMO.

at middleweight it goes to hagler.

Middle : Hagler
SMW/LW : Jones Jr

jones was fastest at middle weight. he is ray leonard with alot more power.

thripple left hooks. would cause a hugh problem as well as the pot shoting.

roy used to hit you make you respect his power then toy with u.



Everybody Get on your feet
Right now for Roy Jones Jr.
The best poun for pund fighter in the world
Whoever don't agree you know what, I guess
Ya'll Must've Forgot
When they stole my gold medals in Seoul, Korea
That's lookin back at my whole career
Cause, Ya'll Must've Forgot
The best pound for pound is mine
Hit Percy Harris with 4 hooks at one time
Ya'll Must've Forgot
When I beat Bernard Hopkins and won the IBF
The right was hurt beat him with the left
Ya'll Must've Forgot
You remember the left hook James Tony got?
Sucker move I stole from a game cock
Ya'll Must've Forgot
Will there ever be another Roy Jones?, probly not
Stopped Virgil Hill with a body shot
Ya'll Must've Forgot
I got disqualified in March of 97
After giving a whooping to Montell Griffin
Late hit, my title, they had to take it
(Why) I guess that's the only way I could lose
5 months later, rematch, I needs my crown
1st round, 1 punch and he sat down
Don't get me mad cause I'm amped already
Took titles from fighters who was champs already
The heart and sould of boxing on HBO
What these other fighters take me for, A Joke?
Ya'll Must've Forgot
And they got the nerve to say I aint fight nobody
I just make'em look like nobody
Ya'll Must've Forgot
And David Telesco he really asked for it
So I beat him with a fractured wrist
Ya'll Must've Forgot
(Remember that)
In the ring I BOX, there is none higher
When I use these they call me SIRE
To burn my kingdome I must lose FIRE
And I wont stop Boxing till I retire
I'm Roy
Ya'll Must've Forgot (x2)
When I beat Reggie Johnson
And took his Light-Heavyweight title from him
Ya'll Must've Forgot
That I'm nice with these
Ya'll Must've Forgot
This is what I do
We could go on and on
Mike McCallum, Vinnie Pazienza
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Tough one. I'll say this a 12 round fight with RJJ on his toes could win a SD, but I think in a 15 rounder Hagler's constant pressure and aggression would be to much and he'd walk away with either a 15 round KO or decision. One of the more intriguing fights scenarios I've heard.

Roy Jones.

Jones for me but hell id loved to have seen it and im prepared for those who go for Marvin as he was a fookin BEAST in his prime :)

I see Jones trying to break Hagler then finding himself on his back.
And if the 15 round even more do i feel that Roy will end up on his back.

And if Hitman could not hurt Hagler then i can not see Roy doing so Hearns may have started up a welter but ended his career knocking Crusierweights out. Hearns big wins are from people coming up but unlike the guys Bernard beat they all succeeded at MW even as high as CW. Duran won belts in Middleweight, Hearns won belts all the way up to Crusierweight. Roy may have been the best SMW but he is for form being the best at Middle Hagler all the way and i would not change my mind for the world Hagler the man and wins a close UD or later TKO.
And also this thread has already been started and been going a while always a good match to talk about.

I've KO both of them on Fight Night.

I wish they make a new fight night with more charaters i sick of the one they have out.

I don't think a lot of you are truly familiar with Marvin Hagler. At the end of his career, against Hearns, Leonard and Mugabi, he came forward and took punches to land punches. His chin was impregnable and he punched real hard.
The REAL Marvin Hagler was a very fast very accurate boxer. He threw fast, hard straight punches, and he worked the body very well. He was very mobile and hard to hit and, as always, you couldn't hurt the man.
RJJ at MW was, at best, an advanced amateur, with power "proven" against Jorge Vaca and Art Serwano. His fight with Hopkins was terrible: when Hagler was coming up it would've been a 6 rounder. The idea of RJJ "potshotting" Hagler is beyond ridiculous. This fight, between a prime Hagler and RJJ at 160, would not go 6 rounds and it would not be pretty. At any weight, Hagler wins because Jones Jr never had the bottom for a real fight.

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I don't think a lot of you are truly familiar with Marvin Hagler. At the end of his career, against Hearns, Leonard and Mugabi, he came forward and took punches to land punches. His chin was impregnable and he punched real hard.
The REAL Marvin Hagler was a very fast very accurate boxer. He threw fast, hard straight punches, and he worked the body very well. He was very mobile and hard to hit and, as always, you couldn't hurt the man.
RJJ at MW was, at best, an advanced amateur, with power "proven" against Jorge Vaca and Art Serwano. His fight with Hopkins was terrible: when Hagler was coming up it would've been a 6 rounder. The idea of RJJ "potshotting" Hagler is beyond ridiculous. This fight, between a prime Hagler and RJJ at 160, would not go 6 rounds and it would not be pretty. At any weight, Hagler wins because Jones Jr never had the bottom for a real fight.

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RJJ at MW was, at best, an advanced amateur,

I assume, then that you've not seen the Hopkins/RJJ fight?

I should clarify that last comment; it sounded a bit flippant and that wasn't my intention.
To the best of my knowledge, RJJ never fought at 160 after the Hopkins fight. He became a much better fighter afterwards, as did Hopkins. At that point, however, they were simply the best of a bad lot. It was not a good fight; far from being a battle between modern greats, it was 2 guys with 20 some fights fighting an equally skilled opponent for the first time and they both floundered. Don't confuse what Jones was later to what he was then. He had to learn and feel his way like anybody else.
I'll stand by that statement, however. At 160 Roy Jones Jr. was an advanced amateur. Pretty well advanced, but still not a true pro.

Yea that was a not the best of fights i give you a cc i agree with some of what you said grey.

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I assume, then that you've not seen the Hopkins/RJJ fight?

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I have seen most of Jones career, Jones out boxed a legend like Hopkins while having a broken hand after the 7th round i think it was.

Hagler

Before the Tommy Hearns fight Hagler prepared to do battle for 12 rounds what he displayed in the 3 that were necessrary.

Had Roy used his traditional trash talk and ticked Marvin off he would have prepared the same, gone to war for 12 and won.

I say won because I'm not sure whether Roy could withstand a beating like Hagler loved to dole out.

No disrespect to the greatest Super Middle of all time though.

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Before the Tommy Hearns fight Hagler prepared to do battle for 12 rounds what he displayed in the 3 that were necessrary.

Had Roy used his traditional trash talk and ticked Marvin off he would have prepared the same, gone to war for 12 and won.

I say won because I'm not sure whether Roy could withstand a beating like Hagler loved to dole out.

No disrespect to the greatest Super Middle of all time though.

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But remember what Jones did to Griffin in the rematch, when he was really fired up for a match Jones was deadly.

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Before the Tommy Hearns fight Hagler prepared to do battle for 12 rounds what he displayed in the 3 that were necessrary.

Had Roy used his traditional trash talk and ticked Marvin off he would have prepared the same, gone to war for 12 and won.

I say won because I'm not sure whether Roy could withstand a beating like Hagler loved to dole out.

No disrespect to the greatest Super Middle of all time though.

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But remember what Jones did to Griffin in the rematch, when he was really fired up for a match Jones was deadly.

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Absolutley agreed Jones was literally deadly.
But as smooth and slick as Roy was Hagler was rough and jagged, I feel that Hagler would have won by attrition and abrasion.

You haven't seen enough of Hagler. He was only "rough and deadly" at the end of his career. At his peak he was a beautiful fast slick boxer with lazer straight punches, and he fought the best and the slickest around. He'd EAT RJJ and it would be an easy fight for him, fighting the Roy Jones Jr that fought at 160.
Hagler was truly great at 160

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You haven't seen enough of Hagler. He was only "rough and deadly" at the end of his career. At his peak he was a beautiful fast slick boxer with lazer straight punches, and he fought the best and the slickest around. He'd EAT RJJ and it would be an easy fight for him, fighting the Roy Jones Jr that fought at 160.
Hagler was truly great at 160

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I've seen nearly all of Hagler, he's been a big infleunce on me. He was strnger in the body than Jones and would have made Jones' advantage in height a disadvantage.

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I stopped reading when i see this comment.


RJJ at MW was, at best, an advanced amateur,

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That's the problem with these fantasy fights. You take two great fighters and someone always weighs in with some ludicrously disparaging remark about one or the other.

There was a marathon Lewis-v-Marciano thread on another site. The poll concluded that the glass-jawed faggot beat the overrated club fighter hands down - at least if you believed many of the comments.

I'd go for Hagler on this one, although to my mind, Jones didn't stay long enough atop the middleweight division to draw a fair comparison, whereas Hagler of course is an all-time great at the weight. And somehow I cannot picture Hagler at super-middle, too small.

Yeah, Hagler to catch up with the amateur late on.

Hagler, as 160 was not Roy's best weight.

RJJ in a close one.

Marvin Hagler wins too tough and has very underrated boxing skills.