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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I actually quite like Dariusz Michalczewski i would be interested to see how his comeback fight goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Could this lead to a RJJ fight that should have happened 6 or 7 years ago?
Looks like this will happen...The link below is german...Was the best I could find...
http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/spor...o=2954126.html
There had been some oldtimer comebacks in germany recently...End of last year heavyweight looser
Axel Schulz tried it against Brian Minto and lost terribly by tko,but Schulz got his million euros for the
beatdown...
Then Henry Maske successfully revenged his only loss against Virgil Hill in one of the most boring
matches I've ever seen...
And now Michalczewski and Rocchigiani...both are more than well known in germany and both are
most probably doing it for the money and nothing else,even though they try to sell this fight as
a grudge match...
I remember Michalczewski saying he would only come out of retirement for 10 million euro...I doubt
he will get that much for the fight...
Both boxers fight at a catchweight of 186 pounds...
...
Why Dariusz? :(
I know people think I'm crazy but I would have given Dariusz a helluva chance to beat RJJ.
I just do and don't bother hitting me up with the RJJ: Facts of boxing. It's like beating a dead horse I've had that discussion many times. I just feel that Dariusz would have pulled it off.
Look at all these belts: Roy Jones v. Gonzalez
~ WBC light heavyweight title ~
~ WBA light heavyweight title ~
~ IBF light heavyweight title ~
~ IBO light heavyweight title ~
~ WBF light heavyweight title ~
~ vacant International Boxing Association light heavyweight title ~
NBA Light Heavyweight Title
Dariusz was the WBA, IBF & WBO Light Heavyweight champ also. Unlike RJJ, Dariusz beat the actual champion Hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
You do realize that the titles that RJJ picked up were actually Dariusz's titles (WBA & IBF) because the fucken morons stripped Dariusz unjusticely. Chances are RJJ would not have picked up a title from Lou or Reggie if those fucken idiots wouldn't have stripped Dariusz of his titles.This has nothing to do with RJJ's skills I know he's very skilled. I have his whole career I've seen him fight so no need to go there.
Its Dariusz Michalczewski's fault for only wanting to fight Jones in Germany.
So RJJ was a big name but Dariusz was the recognized champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
You say it's his fault for only wanting to fight Jones in Germany???
Great analogy there.
RJJ wanted the bigger purse + location.... yeah! did he also wan't Dariusz to carry his equipment?
I just feel that RJJ could have really solidify himself at either Middle or Light Heavy the names were there to fight. It takes 2 to tango but at the same time you have to see that RJJ's titles weren't how should say.... Legit when he won them. Take his WBC strap for example it was the 'Interim' title he won from Mike. The only reason it was changed to a full title when he fought Griffin was because Tiozzo moved up in weight. Again not really beating the champion for the title but more of wining a vacated title.
Its not he got stripped of titles as soon as he had won them. if i remember correctly the IBF wanted him to make a defence 12 days after winning there title. if he had kept his belts he won by beating other champs jones would have had no choice but to box him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Yes it is his fault you honestly think Jones would go to Germany when they have some of the most biased scoring in boxing history ?? plus Jones was robbed in Olympics i wouldn't of gone either.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Roy was also criticized for never fighting Dariusz Michalczewski, an unbeaten Polish fighter who had been stripped of a pair of championship belts without losing in the ring. Roy made efforts to bring the fight to the U.S., but Michalczewski would not comply.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
As if someone,who isn't based in the US would have fared differently there...
Well...anyway, did anyone notice that as soon as someone mentions Michalczewski, whatever
the topic may be it always goes down to the RJJ fight that never happened...
I've seen both guys alot and I say there is no way that Michalczewski would have beaten a prime
RJJ,even though he would be the one who would have come closest to beating him...
...
I remember at one time Jones was considering going to Germany to fight Michalczewski. But than he saw Charles Brewer go to Germany and get his title stolen by Sven Ottke. After that, Jones said fuck that. I don't blame him.
Yea but you can not blame Michalczwski not his fualt he was the champion why should he go.
Because Michalczewski always needed Jones more than Jones needed himQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yea but he was alos the established champ and roy was just comming into the weight.
Jones was P4P number 1 and Dariusz Michalczewski expected Jones to come to Germany to get robbed ?? i don't think so and Jones had been at Lightheavyweight since 1996 so how did he *just* come into Lightheavyweight ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
He was the wbo champion and had only fought a year so i think he was still new if they were going to fight in 1997.
No it wasn't just in 1997 this was talked about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
The WBO is garbage. It meant less than, than it does now. And it ain't worth much now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Bad/wrong/biased scoring is everywhere not just in Germany. Did you not see Huerta-Kid Diamond, Santa Cruz-Casa?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
That was in the Olympic's/amateurs professional is separate from that.
Champions go anywhere and win titles, here US, Germany, Ireland, Italy, France. A champion who knows he's good enough to win fears nothing.
No judges, not an organization. If everyone thought in regards to robbiers like RJJ then I guess all the challengers would not go to champs backyards and win titles.
ICB, I could easily run a google search and or scan some boxing books that I have where Dariusz says he's willing to fight RJJ....Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
What does that prove that they both wanted to fight eachother but never did, that's all the proves.
All I did was reply to boozeboxer list of titles that RJJ had. I was pointing out that the meaningful ones he did not actually beat the champion for them
He beats some stand ins. Stop me if I'm lying.....
Did RJJ try to make the fight? Yes
Did Dariusz try? Yes
Did they fight? No
Eaxcatly JohnnyBoy bad fight scoring happens anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
Truth be told I must be the only person here who thinks Dariusz could have pulled it off.
Dariusz was a damn! beast man and whe he was on one, he was one.
Well the 'Need' is created by the boxing media. Being that RJJ is based here in the states it's only obvious he'd get the spot light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
US Olympian, flashy, young & confident.
Or
Dariusz 'The Tiger' Michalczewski from Gdansk, Poland???
Jee let me think?
The 'need' is something we as fans create. Do you think PBF needed Hatton more then Hatton needed PBF?
No, Hatton needs PBF more then PBF needs him. But PBF was still man enough to step up and take the fight and for that he get's respect because people are starting to see that he is actually willing to fight anyone out there. So don't let something that's build like the 'need' interfear with why 2 of the best should meet.
ICB your going in circles here. How do you think he became P4P years later after he has already been at Ligh Heavyweight? By picking up the titles that were taken from Dariusz. Which is my whole point here that he wouldn't have picked up those belts would Dariusz have not been stripped. He either would have fought on with just the WBC title and who know's from there. But one things for sure RJJ was not P4P 1Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
And you keep talking about gettin robbed I mean what basis do you have for that?
The fact that he wad robbed in Seoul, South Korea as an amateur?
Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of an 'interim' title don't confuse that with being 'the champion'. Interim means your a co-champ but you need to settle the score with the real champ. Which again he never did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
This fight was talked about the moment RJJ decide to move up in '96 so yes RJJ had just come into the division. Once Dariusz was stripped in '97 and RJJ started picking the belts up RJJ's mouth got louder seeing as he now had the titles. So it was a back and forth war of words.
After that I read Dariusz was discouraged by what they did to him but he kept his head up and moved forward. RJJ got more and more popular and gained more recognition while one of the true champions in that division stood in the dark. Shit! happens....
But that still doesn't mean that RJJ would beat Dariusz. Dariusz was a true champ in that weight the other guys RJJ fought got belts as gifts all RJJ had to do was pick them up from them.
Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of Bad/wrong/biased scoring is everywhere not just in Germany. Did you not see Huerta-Kid Diamond, Santa Cruz-Casa?
That was in the Olympic's/amateurs professional is separate from that.
Champions go anywhere and win titles, here US, Germany, Ireland, Italy, France. A champion who knows he's good enough to win fears nothing.
No judges, not an organization. If everyone thought in regards to robbiers like RJJ then I guess all the challengers would not go to champs backyards and win titles.
Yes there is wrong decisions everywhere but its well known that in Germany its almost impossible to win a decision and the reason i brung up Jones losing in the amateur's by robbery decision is because that would be in the back of Jones's mind and Jones did not need to travel anywhere he was the P4P number 1 boxer at that time if anyone wants to fight him they have to come to him simple as that.
ICB, I could easily run a google search and or scan some boxing books that I have where Dariusz says he's willing to fight RJJ....
What does that prove that they both wanted to fight eachother but never did, that's all the proves.
All I did was reply to boozeboxer list of titles that RJJ had. I was pointing out that the meaningful ones he did not actually beat the champion for them
He beats some stand ins. Stop me if I'm lying.....
Did RJJ try to make the fight? Yes
Did Dariusz try? Yes
Did they fight? No
No your not lying but Dariusz knew Jones would never come to Germany i mean just think about it this way if your P4P number 1 boxer in the world would you travel to a country like Germany that has the worst biased scoring in boxing ?? really and truthfully ?? all im saying is if Dariusz would have been willing to come to USA the fight would have been made.
[b]As if someone,who isn't based in the US would have fared differently there...
Well...anyway, did anyone notice that as soon as someone mentions Michalczewski, whatever
the topic may be it always goes down to the RJJ fight that never happened...
I've seen both guys alot and I say there is no way that Michalczewski would have beaten a prime
Thats not the point the point is Jones was robbed badly in the Olympics and i can understand if he doesn't want to go to Germany.
The 'need' is something we as fans create. Do you think PBF needed Hatton more then Hatton needed PBF?
No, Hatton needs PBF more then PBF needs him. But PBF was still man enough to step up and take the fight and for that he get's respect because people are starting to see that he is actually willing to fight anyone out there. So don't let something that's build like the 'need' interfear with why 2 of the best should meet.
Yes but Hatton is willing to come to USA Dariusz wasn't.
ICB your going in circles here. How do you think he became P4P years later after he has already been at Ligh Heavyweight? By picking up the titles that were taken from Dariusz. Which is my whole point here that he wouldn't have picked up those belts would Dariusz have not been stripped. He either would have fought on with just the WBC title and who know's from there. But one things for sure RJJ was not P4P 1
And you keep talking about gettin robbed I mean what basis do you have for that?
The fact that he wad robbed in Seoul, South Korea as an amateur?
Jones had been P4P 1 for atleast 1 year before Dariusz vs Jones fight was talked about if i can remember right ??
The reason i keep bringing up the Olympics is because i can understand Jones not wanting to go to Germany to get robbed i wouldn't either.
Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of an 'interim' title don't confuse that with being 'the champion'. Interim means your a co-champ but you need to settle the score with the real champ. Which again he never did.
This fight was talked about the moment RJJ decide to move up in '96 so yes RJJ had just come into the division
I didn't say he was the number 1 man at Lightheavyweight.
Once Dariusz was stripped in '97 and RJJ started picking the belts up RJJ's mouth got louder seeing as he now had the titles. So it was a back and forth war of words.
After that I read Dariusz was discouraged by what they did to him but he kept his head up and moved forward. RJJ got more and more popular and gained more recognition while one of the true champions in that division stood in the dark. S***! happens....
But that still doesn't mean that RJJ would beat Dariusz. Dariusz was a true champ in that weight the other guys RJJ fought got belts as gifts all RJJ had to do was pick them up from them.
Thats not Jones fault Dariusz lost his IBF title for not defending against the mandatory challenger the fight could of easily of been made had Dariusz fought in the USA and it would of helped him get the exposure so why not ?? and the reason why Dariusz stood in the dark was because all of his fights were in Germany except for one of his fight there was in Poland it his own fault and prime Jones UD Dariusz imo.
Well my quoting just got all screwed up i hope you can read my points though Mick.
Maybe you should quote the old-fashioned way... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
And as for your german preconception...maybe you can name some fighters beside Sven Ottke and Valuev
who you think robbed someone through a decision win even though they actually lost...
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I'm curious to know where you get that RJJ was P4P #1 in '96?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
In '96 RJJ was not #1 P4P.
I think Pernell was still #1 with Lopez & RJJ at #2 & #3.
(I see SweetPea's logged in right now and he and I talked about the P4P #1 passing of the torch maybe he has some input to lend here)
Again RJJ was not #1 P4P in '96 especially when he lost by DQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
RJJ became #1 P4P in '97.
After Pernells lost to ODLH.
Hattons not a champ in the Welter division. So he really doesn't have much of a say there. My point being that when 2 fighters are willing to fight who cares of the venue and everything else. They just want to get in the ring and fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
But why do you say to go to Germany to get robbed as if you know that RJJ would have been robbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
What makes you so sure of that?
I can understand RJJ didn't want to travel, but you keep saying to get robbed as if that was guaranteed to happen.
ICB, Dariusz was given like 2 weeks to defend his title after he beat Hill, you might wanna look a little more into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I can live with your outcome of the fight. That's what it's about but by anymeans will I let people mix up the facts about who was the established champ or in this case how booze tried to show up Dariusz by posting the titles he won. Theirs more to it then meets the eye and that's what I wanted to clarify.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I'm curious to know where you get that RJJ was P4P #1 in '96?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
In '96 RJJ was not #1 P4P.
I think Pernell was still #1 with Lopez & RJJ at #2 & #3.
(I see SweetPea's logged in right now and he and I talked about the P4P #1 passing of the torch maybe he has some input to lend here)
Actually you are right on that my bad i thought Whitaker lost to Oscar De La Hoya in 1996.
Dariusz in the 90s was earning serious money in Germany, it shocked me when I heard. Germany is the 2nd largest PPV buys in the world, he didnt need to leave Germany for anyone, economics.
Well i been watching this guys fights and Cut i think he could pull off the UD vs roy wish they would of made that fight would of been good.
You gotta see his fight against Barber when he wins the title he showed he was something special there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
The way in which he beat Hill was fan-fucken-tastic I mean he boxed well used his skill and moved on the outside.
His 9th round destruction of Thadzi was great. Keep in mind this is the same Thadzi that slipped by a MD win over James Toney just over a year before.
Thank you Scrap for that input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Good to hear that note.
Yea just started to watch him he was great fighter shame that fight never was to be i mean it sucks Americans never faced people across the Atlantic. Guess it was just not wroth it and no one ever came to a agreement i mean people always talk about Joe not coming over hear but they never mention it about other guys and Michalczewski to but both him and Joe made good money doing what they did so i can not blame them for that.
I was just looking at boxrec, is Zsolt Erdei still the linear light heavyweight champion? You don't hear much about the guy, but Dariusz beat Virgil Hill, JuLio Cesar Gonzalez beat Michalczewski, Erdei beat him and hasn't lost since.
Erdei is a great boxer,but his management is looking only for easy opponents...I'm pretty sure ErdeiQuote:
Originally Posted by Larryboy
could and would step it up...
Well he was out of prime kinda like Roy was but he did not get killed as bad but now we can never know who would win that fight.
Well he was out of prime kinda like Roy was but he did not get killed as bad but now we can never know who would win that fight.
He got pretty destroyed against Fabrice Tiozzo.
Yea i guess your right but he was even older then Roy and i think the man that did it to him was better then Taver was. But cc for the call i am not a fan of Roys at all so i am harsh on every thing he does so i guess you can say i am bias but i guess i can not help that.
All you need to do is watch Dariusz two life and death wars with Richard Hall (a fighter Jones toyed with) to see how much trouble Jones would have with him. Very little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Styles make fights Vd i mean look at how Duran gave SRL problems and then gets knocked out but Hearns like nothing but then but Hearsn still lost to SRL and then there was Hagler who killed Hearns fast and it took SRl a long time to take him out but SRL won a close decision against Hagler. The thing is you can not always look at a fight and say well he beat him so then he must beat the other guy styles make fights so i not going off just a guy ok.