Joe Calzaghe - Slightly Overated?
I thought I would get this of my chest.
Following his win over Kessler, I have been reading quite a bit of stuff on how great Calzaghe is, all-time great etc etc.
I have to disagree, yes I think Calzaghe is a very, very good champion, I mean credit to anyone who can defend the title as many times as he has. But Boxing is one of those Sports were you have to do it in the states aswell.
I know alot of people will disagree, and let me remind you I'm not dissing Calzaghe I respect what he's done, but they guy has not come and fought outside of his backyard. He has fought in Denmark and Germany a couple of times but that's it.
He has never fought in the US and especially Las Vegas or the Garden.
This is is important if you want to considered a Great champion.
Oh, was there ever an opportuinty that he could have fought Roy Jones Jnr, when Jones was in his prime?
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Whilst I can see arguments for why he he is not yet an all time great(I think he's close!),to say he is over rated for the simple fact that he has not fought in the States is a silly reason,no offence. And to say he has not fought out of his backyard and then say he's fought in Germany and Denmark is a contradiction.
That is not a barometer to define whether someone is a legend in the sport or not,whether they have fought in the states. Also,IF a B Hop fight comes off,it most likely will be in the states so that will adress the issue,let's hope it happens.
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Who gives a fuck if he hasn`t fought in America?
It seems that Americans made this rule up that you have to fight in America to become great, which is a load of bollocks IMO.
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Originally Posted by cpcompany
Who gives a F*** if he hasn`t fought in America?
It seems that Americans made this rule up that you have to fight in America to become great, which is a load of bollocks IMO.
I agree..............But he should go and then he has done everything that people has said he needs to do.
Its as easy as that for Joe.
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Originally Posted by Tins06
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Originally Posted by cpcompany
Who gives a F*** if he hasn`t fought in America?
It seems that Americans made this rule up that you have to fight in America to become great, which is a load of bollocks IMO.
I agree..............But he should go and then he has done everything that people has said he needs to do.
Its as easy as that for Joe.
True, but there will still be somebody coming on whinging about how Calzaghe "aint all that" even if he beats Hopkins.
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PLEASE!!!!....Someone!!!....PLEASE!!!!!...Call the Police :policeman: and the ASPCA!!!!!!....For the love of :jesus:......will anyone help this poor animal... :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
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Originally Posted by Realitycheck77
I thought I would get this of my chest.
Following his win over Kessler, I have been reading quite a bit of stuff on how great Calzaghe is, all-time great etc etc.
I have to disagree, yes I think Calzaghe is a very, very good champion, I mean credit to anyone who can defend the title as many times as he has. But Boxing is one of those Sports were you have to do it in the states aswell.
I know alot of people will disagree, and let me remind you I'm not dissing Calzaghe I respect what he's done, but they guy has not come and fought outside of his backyard. He has fought in Denmark and Germany a couple of times but that's it.
He has never fought in the US and especially Las Vegas or the Garden.
This is is important if you want to considered a Great champion.
Oh, was there ever an opportuinty that he could have fought Roy Jones Jnr, when Jones was in his prime?
so why does someone have to fight in the us to make them great? because the americans are the ones who decide who is great or who isn't?
Sick and tired of hearing this same shit over and over about how everyone has to fight in america because of this and that, lets get one thign str8 the ONLY reason any fighter fights there is for money and nothing else.
Take the big money away from america, put it in any other country and you watch how dead an empty that place comes for boxing, winning in MSG or LV or any other plce in the states in this day an age is in no way any harder full stop, you might get robbed, but that can happen anywhere.
Tbh i think people in the states are more pissed off about calzaghe not fighitng there because they know deep down, he isn't scared of going there, just the fact he couldn't really give a fly **** what people in america think of him, and thats what pisses people off most.
As for the while not fihgitng out of his own back yard, well mate you need the realitycheck because you havn;t got a freaking clue what you are talking about.
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Originally Posted by Rob Lewis
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Originally Posted by Realitycheck77
I thought I would get this of my chest.
Following his win over Kessler, I have been reading quite a bit of stuff on how great Calzaghe is, all-time great etc etc.
I have to disagree, yes I think Calzaghe is a very, very good champion, I mean credit to anyone who can defend the title as many times as he has. But Boxing is one of those Sports were you have to do it in the states aswell.
I know alot of people will disagree, and let me remind you I'm not dissing Calzaghe I respect what he's done, but they guy has not come and fought outside of his backyard. He has fought in Denmark and Germany a couple of times but that's it.
He has never fought in the US and especially Las Vegas or the Garden.
This is is important if you want to considered a Great champion.
Oh, was there ever an opportuinty that he could have fought Roy Jones Jnr, when Jones was in his prime?
so why does someone have to fight in the us to make them great? because the americans are the ones who decide who is great or who isn't?
Sick and tired of hearing this same S*** over and over about how everyone has to fight in america because of this and that, lets get one thign str8 the ONLY reason any fighter fights there is for money and nothing else.
Take the big money away from america, put it in any other country and you watch how dead an empty that place comes for boxing, winning in MSG or LV or any other plce in the states in this day an age is in no way any harder full stop, you might get robbed, but that can happen anywhere.
Tbh i think people in the states are more pissed off about calzaghe not fighitng there because they know deep down, he isn't scared of going there, just the fact he couldn't really give a fly **** what people in america think of him, and thats what pisses people off most.
As for the while not fihgitng out of his own back yard, well mate you need the realitycheck because you havn;t got a freaking clue what you are talking about.
Rob you answered your own question so by ranting and raving you make yourself look bad....America is where all the money is,,,the big fights,,,the best comp....that can not be denied and if you do deny it you will look like the biggest heel to ever grace these boards....and if all the big money and top fighters were in another country then that country would be the place to be...the top thai fighters don't go to Australia to become the best do they?...
as for the back yard really where had joe fought other then the UK? one or two trips outside is all....if you look on boxrec he has 5 different venues on his resume....thats not his back yard?.......give it a break....
as for Joe not giving a flying F*** what Americans think of him thats fine but it is not just Americans that think that way so again...enough....
I am not going to get into a Calzaghe thing here IMO the guy has proven himself....this is a dead topic that I have no idea why it keeps getting brought up...henceforth my dead horse post...some people will never give him the respect...same as Floyd...and Floyd is American...so it has nothing to do with America....
I will say this...throwing tantrums everytime someone speaks about Calzaghe is just stupid....Unless someone is praising the ground he walks on you throw a fit...and even when someone does say good about him you have to sit and tell them what they did not say about him...almost criticizing them for not praising the guy enough :-\
Just because you worship the guy does not mean the world has to...and again if you deny that you act like this everytime Calzaghes name comes up and there is negative comments we can go back into your posting history and start pasting your post.....hell Rob you manage to bring Calzaghes name into 75% of your post one way or another...the topic can be mini flyweights and you will say "Well if Joe Calzaghe was a mini flyweight he could..."
Spend a little more time either tuning up your arguements or maybe stay off Calzaghe topics and comment a little bit more about the rest of the sport...and keep American comments to yourself....Saying things like ***** what Americans think is just as bad as saying **** America....because if you want to start with the F*** Americans and their opinion crap there are plenty of people on these boards that will take offense including some of your fellow countrymen.....and I would say the same thing about anyone who was making comments about people from the UK...
Grow up
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I'd have loved to have seen Joe with a different promoter for the last 3 or 4 years.
You can't question his ability, perhaps only his opposition whom have been quite frankly... sh*te.
And that ain't Joe's fault.
With the exception of Lacy & Kessler who really forced themselves into the picture.
I do have to say, their denial of Carl Froch as a valid opponent, given other's they have selected over the last 2 years raises the eyebrow... and now the David Haye is ducking Enzo Maccerenelli story goes a step further.
It's not just Joe whose opponents have sucked recently.. the whole stable has been fed turds as of late.
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Originally Posted by Clanger
I'd have loved to have seen Joe with a different promoter for the last 3 or 4 years.
You can't question his ability, perhaps only his opposition whom have been quite frankly... sh*te.
And that ain't Joe's fault.
With the exception of Lacy & Kessler who really forced themselves into the picture.
I do have to say, their denial of Carl Froch as a valid opponent, given other's they have selected over the last 2 years raises the eyebrow... and now the David Haye is ducking Enzo Maccerenelli story goes a step further.
It's not just Joe whose opponents have sucked recently.. the whole stable has been fed turds as of late.
David Haye is not ducking Enzo....
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Originally Posted by Clanger
I'd have loved to have seen Joe with a different promoter for the last 3 or 4 years.
You can't question his ability, perhaps only his opposition whom have been quite frankly... sh*te.
And that ain't Joe's fault.
With the exception of Lacy & Kessler who really forced themselves into the picture.
I do have to say, their denial of Carl Froch as a valid opponent, given other's they have selected over the last 2 years raises the eyebrow...
and now Enzo Maccerenelli is avoiding David Haye like a pedestrian avoiding incoming cars.
It's not just Joe whose opponents have sucked recently.. the whole stable has been fed turds as of late.
The bit i put in bold i fixed for you.
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I never said he was avoiding him...
... S.N are.
Thats my whole point.
They stop fights, not encourage them from being made.
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Originally Posted by Clanger
I never said he was avoiding him...
... S.N are.
Thats my whole point.
They stop fights, not encourage them from being made.
No worries ICB fixed the post ;)
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You go to each individual sport's mecca. For hockey it's canada,russia, finland or sweden. For baseball it's the us, japan, dominican republic or cuba. for nfl it's the us. Every sport has its history.
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Originally Posted by Clanger
I'd have loved to have seen Joe with a different promoter for the last 3 or 4 years.
You can't question his ability, perhaps only his opposition whom have been quite frankly... sh*te.
And that ain't Joe's fault.
With the exception of Lacy & Kessler who really forced themselves into the picture.
I do have to say, their denial of Carl Froch as a valid opponent, given other's they have selected over the last 2 years raises the eyebrow... and now the David Haye is ducking Enzo Maccerenelli story goes a step further.
It's not just Joe whose opponents have sucked recently.. the whole stable has been fed turds as of late.
What has Carl Frochdone to deserve a shot? He has not beaten a top 30 ranked fighter.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
PLEASE!!!!....Someone!!!....PLEASE!!!!!...Call the Police :policeman: and the ASPCA!!!!!!....For the love of :jesus:......will anyone help this poor animal... :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
LOL..................That horse has been beaten so bad it is now on your local shelves being sold as Elmer's Glue.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
PLEASE!!!!....Someone!!!....PLEASE!!!!!...Call the Police :policeman: and the ASPCA!!!!!!....For the love of :jesus:......will anyone help this poor animal... :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
LOL..................That horse has been beaten so bad it is now on your local shelves being sold as Elmer's Glue.
Ha Ha Ha.....love the glue line......Truth is so has the is Calzaghe over rated or is Calzaghe and ATG topic...and it always ends the same way...with a tantrum being thrown....
I am at the point to where I think the topic should be banned from the boards
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Not anymore, a win over Kessler is first class and even though Joe Balls hasn't gone to the US means nothing. Coming to the US and fighting aging fighters like Jones Jr or Hopkins won't enhance his standing at all IMO.
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Calzaghe should have fought Hopkins and Jones years ago , if he wins either fight now, then the public will just say they were shot fighters.
Fact is Calzaghe hasnt got time to chase his ATG standings at 35 , his promotors have done there damage taking his career down the path its gone.
I think he will be rememberd as a fine champion but not an ATG.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Calzaghe should have fought Hopkins and Jones years ago , if he wins either fight now, then the public will just say they were shot fighters.
Fact is Calzaghe hasnt got time to chase his ATG standings at 35 , his promotors have done there damage taking his career down the path its gone.
I think he will be rememberd as a fine champion but not an ATG.
He did agree a fight with Hopkins but at last minute B'Hop doubled the amount he wanted for the fight.
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Originally Posted by littlebif
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Calzaghe should have fought Hopkins and Jones years ago , if he wins either fight now, then the public will just say they were shot fighters.
Fact is Calzaghe hasn't got time to chase his ATG standings at 35 , his promotors have done there damage taking his career down the path its gone.
I think he will be remembered as a fine champion but not an ATG.
He did agree a fight with Hopkins but at last minute B'Hop doubled the amount he wanted for the fight.
Yes I'm aware of that fact i was talking hyperthe tically , in the sense that Hopkins is now way past his best so its kinda a no win for Calzaghe.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by littlebif
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Calzaghe should have fought Hopkins and Jones years ago , if he wins either fight now, then the public will just say they were shot fighters.
Fact is Calzaghe hasn't got time to chase his ATG standings at 35 , his promotors have done there damage taking his career down the path its gone.
I think he will be remembered as a fine champion but not an ATG.
He did agree a fight with Hopkins but at last minute B'Hop doubled the amount he wanted for the fight.
Yes I'm aware of that fact i was talking hyperthe tically , in the sense that Hopkins is now way past his best so its kinda a no win for Calzaghe.
Calzaghe has more to lose by fight Hopkins now if he loses to Hopkins he would be slated but if he won people will just say that B'Hop was ready for the taking because of his age, even tho he looked good last time out.I would expect Calzaghe to be favorite for the fight aswell.
