This is the future of the US and the other countries that are being controlled by the bleeding heart liberals that can't see the forest for the trees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
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This is the future of the US and the other countries that are being controlled by the bleeding heart liberals that can't see the forest for the trees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
Everyone should have listened to this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48hGrSsOPo
but now everyone should listen to this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji1DUperkmA
MIKE HUCKABEE FOR PRESIDENT!
This sounds mighty promising
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaAqnrpev44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8
Yep, we're doomed in the U.S. unless those people in D.C. get their sh#t together. Very disturbing, not to mention eye opening. This "melting pot" we live in will eventually melt.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
We have to clean up the sugar and there wont be any ants.Stop the free hand outs,welfare,jobs and any other government help(our tax money) that they come here for, that will work better than a fence.
Lol, that's one way of putting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
Anybody else notice that that video was from the 1990's and that 300million was the projected total for 2020 meanwhile its 2007 and we hit 300million earlier this year i believe... I don't feel sorry for any of them. Fill out the damn paper work, if you don't get in you don't get in. Thats the way everyone else's grandparents, great grandparents etc. had to do it. The only difference is, they couldn't drive or walk here, they had to come over on a boat that (depending on the generation) took months, had horrible living conditions, and lead to many deaths. When they got here, they went and got a job because there wasn't any handouts back then, either you made your money or you were poor. Also when they got here, they didn't try to change the fucking national language to theirs because it was required back then that you pass an english test before you get in.
Summary:
Not everyone can come here (this country was built from basically scratch in just over 400 years which is a shorter time than most countries have been countries so fix yours instead of ruining this one)
Those that do need to quit leeching of the government, quit trying to hijack our mixed culture and make it to your own liking, and become a citizen like everyone else.
....FAIR TAX!!!
That will A: bring jobs back to the US and B: stick it to people that come here illegally by making them pay taxes and not giving them rebates
This is the real future of the US and I fear for my life....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxZUFzGWzkY
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
Damn we're headed toward third world status faster than predicted,that's a grim visual I'm having.
You need to get used to Undocumented-Americans coming over the border to work. In 50 years America's population will be well over 450 million and the vast majority of that increase will be Undocumenteds who came over the southern border and eventually became Documented-Americans like you. The US economy, god bless it, needs a neverending supply of cheap labour so one thing you can be entirely certain of is that one way or another they'll keep coming.
And you really need to elect Hillary after the nonstop catastrophe of the last seven years. Bush has screwed everything up, even the economy.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
First of all I didn't sneak in here I was born here like my family before me since the dawn of the US.The housing market is at a all time low and the rest of the construction market is sure to follow.Is anyone going back home?No.So now we will have unemployed Undocumented illegals as well as allot of unemployed Americans that will have to compete with that cheap labour for a job.Hillary my ass!!!!!
You sir are a FREAKING MORON!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And illegals need to march their asses back to where ever the hell they came from! We have laws in this country for a reason and coming in without a visa is against the law.....and if we slowly stop enforcing laws then laws are useles and we're left with anarchy!
NAFTA caused this and who brought NAFTA on us???? BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE! They should be burned at the fucking stake!
All this "Illegals do jobs Americans won't do" stuff is BULLCRAP it's like people never heard of SUPPLY AND DEMAND, if no one wants to clean shit up at $3 an hour then maybe we bump the pay up a bit and someone says "Hey, I'll do that!".
Hillary Clinton is the establishment and she'll do NOTHING different than W in regards to immigration, the only place she differs is SOCIALIZED MEDICINE which is just the fucking dumbest idea ever!
Show me just one area where government is efficient at doing something....socialized medicine will make going to the doctor like going to the DMV! And another thing EVERYONE WILL PAY HIGHER TAXES BECAUSE OF IT! And we're already paying higher taxes AND INSURANCE for the mother fucking illegals.....I swear to God if there is one more Pro-illegal immigration march I might just go postal!
The Fair Tax and enforcing immigration laws are the keys to victory in this upcoming election, which is why my boy Huckabee is doing well so far
cc Lyle tell em like it is.
Unless you're Native-American, your ancestors emigrated to America at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
If there are no jobs the unemployed Undocumenteds will go home till the economy picks up again, same as they have for generations.
Competition for jobs is how we roll.
America has never enforced the immigration laws on the southern border and has no intention of doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
There's no difference at all between the Democrats and the GOP when it comes to NAFTA, outsourcing, US corporations offshoring everything to China, etc.
US businesses don't want to pay high wages so they pay both sets of politicians to allow millions of people into the country as this both increases their profits and grows the economy faster than it otherwise would have had the Undocumenteds not been allowed in.
The most efficient parts of the American healthcare system are the ones that are socialised. The least efficient parts are the corporate welfare parts. Judged by the amount of money spent per national government on social programmes, America is the most socialist country on earth, only the money in America mainly goes to American corporations, not Americans.
Hillary is going to walk the election. On her cankles.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
My ancestors didn't burden the Native American tax payer's schools,prisons,welfare system,judicial system or their jobs when they came here either,now did they?
No, America's first citizens genocided the Native-Americans almost out of existence. When your ancestors eventually did emigrate over there they got jobs and worked for a living like today's Undocumenteds are doing. Undocumented-Americans are a great help to the American economy, a necessary part of the system. Americans wouldn't have the standard of living they have today if it wasn't for generations of Undocumenteds.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
MIKE HUCKABEE FOR PRESIDENT! :appl:
I don't have a problem with it as the Indians tried to kill off the settlers too.....and yes I said INDIANS quick someone call some PC Lawyer to sue me for "hate speech". Also if I do recall correctly I do believe there were indigenous people in Mexico and they were massacred far worse than our Indians who now own and operate casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
The illegals are being used by the Dems and Republicans to either break or build Unions by lowering the price you pay for work and by not paying any benefits.
My ancestors didn't come over on the Mayflower or anything like that but they had the idea of BECOMING AMERICAN at the front of their minds....these illegals don't want to assimilate they just want the work and that my friend is fucked up because now that in most places they have the ability to vote (thank you democrats) and I'll be damned if I am going to sit here and be ruled by someone who doesn't pay for fucking anything.....they don't pay for schools, they don't pay for insurance which drives premiums sky high which is of course a HUGE problem now'a'days, and they don't pay taxes for social security or welfare or medicare or mdeicaid......so basically these illegals are leeches on our government programs and in 40 years when I am able to collect social security, it won't be there due to illegal immigrants.
Don't kid yourself, the idea of supply and demand says that the jobs these illegals are doing would be done by Americans if they were given the option.
America has enforced immigration law before you obviously don't know your history....Immigration Act of 1924 (was enforce until the Immigration Act of 1965). That not only was law, it was ENFORCED, sure we had illegals but we had fewer of them.
I say just shoot the motherfuckers trying to run across the boarder....I'm sorry if it's callus but it's the only way to stop the flow, other than that I guess we're just going to become one with Mexico using the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securit..._North_America
I guess we'll just sit here and let all this happen.....let's let the poor unfortunant people in Darfur vote for our president.....let's take all the money from anyone who makes it and divide it out among all the people of the United States rich and poor, legal and illegal....this will solve all our problems.
Liberalism is a mental disorder, liberals' operate in a perfect world.....conservatives operate in the real world.
If you want to be an apologist for genocide, that's entirely up to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Undocumented-Americans don't have the right to vote in America.
Undocumenteds benefit the US economy far more than they cost it. If they were a cost to the US economy instead of a benefit there would have been a contantly-patrolled double 20 foot concrete wall built along the southern border for a century now.
America has never enforced immigration laws and never will. That's why every decade tens of millions of immigrants come over the southern border and are periodically amnestied. The business of America is business, and America needs cheap labour to keep the wheels of commerce greased. If importing vast quantities of Undocumenteds is going to upset a section of Documented-Americans, that's just their tough luck.
America will forge closer economic union with its neighbours but isn't going to become part of some superstate.
Having lived in America for a number of years, I have to say that conservatives and GOP voters are the biggest dummies imaginable. They get their buttons pushed by ridiculous political stunts like flag burning, gay marriage, "tax cuts" etc. to vote for politicians who rob them and give their money to the richest members of US society.
If cheap labor and outsourcing is so good for the economy, why is it that everybody except for rich people who can't be effected unless there's a major recession, is taking a hit? Gas prices as well as the prices of everything else keep going up, The value of the dollar keeps going down, and the people who can hold onto a job that hasn't gone overseas or been given to some idiot that will do it for less are making the same every pay check. It's a bad economic policy and its the fast track to fuedalism. a few rich people owning everything with unlimited servants to do whatever they want.
The whole reason america was made was so that the people could have the chance to die several social classes above that which they were born and didn't have to fear for people already making the money preventing them from doing that. Obviously this country needs a new name as it no longer holds up the ideas it was created for. Taking in a bunch of third world people and lowering the value of our jobs will make this place nothing but a bunch of sweatshops and owned by international investors. I hope your chinese is up to date.
CC Kirk,some awesome points.
I agree with most of this. The falling dollar and rising gas prices are both due to Bush's current dumbass policies. The effects of globalising the economy are going to mean massive changes to the social structure in America but in both the long and the short term cause overall GDP to increase much faster than previously. How that economic growth is then shared out among the population is going to be the biggest bone of contention. Since Reagan it's been nothing but trickle-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
I just don't understand why conservatives get so upset over illegal immigration. Under the current system, America gets the labor it needs without having to set up a government program to import it. The Undocumenteds do that job for them, saving the American taxpayer fortunes. It's a Darwinian system of citizen selection brought to you by people who don't believe in evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Let's get this perfectly straight, FUCK THE INDIANS I don't care what happened to them, I wasn't there, I didn't personally do it, my parents and grandparents didn't personally do it....GET THE FUCK OVER IT! Every single race or tribe has had their times of trial and either you harp on it all the fucking time or you accept it and try to fix it during your lifetime.
As for illegals voting, if they can get a driver's license then they can vote....they come over with fake ssn's anyways, what is stopping them? And eventually the population of ILLEGALS gets so big it demands to be represented and it affects AMERICAN policy.
America doesn't need immigrant labor...certain businesses and consumers who want prices lower than normal WANT immigrant workers they by no means NEED them.
In the US we have everything EXTREMELY cheap and honestly the market is trying to find ways to keep it that way and it'll come back and bite us.
the gas prices are due to OPEC and these liberal pussy bastards who don't want to drill for and more importantly REFINE oil that is right here in the USA....that's the 100% truth. We could have 90 cent gas again but the liberals wouldn't want that....they'd want to have their gas taxes to fund bullshit government programs.
You keep saying America never enforced immigration laws, the fuck we didn't! The Immigration Act of 1924 gave quotas to each nation who immigrated to the US and yes many were turned away.
I guess we finally have someone specific to blame if Hillary gets elected
How does the illegal save taxpayers money???
I have outlined the drain on the economy that they are....how do they benefit us besides giving us very cheap grapes?
Well well well look what I found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEKUJGT2xr4
.....are you happy now Kirkland? Or do we need to elect a Mexican President too?
OK OK, we already covered the genocide apologist thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Illegal immigrants can't vote. They're not on any voter rolls because they're illegal, see? Whether they have a driver's license is irrelevant.
America does indeed need immigrant labour. That's how America rolls. Your ancestors were part of the immigrant labour America needed whenever they emigrated over there. Today's Undocumenteds are exactly the same. If America had stopped importing huge quantities of labour in the 1950s you'd have a population well under 200 million and consequent living standards closer to 1950s levels than 2007 levels.
The reason OPEC continue to throttle production is because the Bush administration is printing historic quantities of dollars to prop up the economy after his "tax cuts" were such a disaster. Every bump in the economic road is monetised out of existence by printing historic quantities of dollars, which has unfortunate consequences.
Here's what the dollar has done since Bush took office :
http://charts.barchart.com/chart.asp...BSTKIC&org=stk
Oil is traded in dollars, so in a time when the value of the dollar is in freefall, oil-producing countries need to charge more dollars to get the same value for their product.
I'm guessing that none of this is Bush's fault? It can't be Hillary's yet, so maybe it's Bill's, hmmm?
You can drill all you want in the US but it won't make any difference. America passed its peak production levels in 1970 and has been on a downward slope ever since. This is yet another issue you've been bsed over by the GOP -- opening up ANWR for instance would produce 500 000 -- 1 million barrels per day in ten years, only a small fraction of the increase in consumption America will experience between now and then. The only region of the world capable of massively increasing production is the Middle East, home to over half the world's oil reserves. Bush tried to fix his oil problem by invading Iraq, but like everything else he's done that turned out to be an unmitigated disaster.
You haven't outlined anything. You've ranted about immigrants but haven't actually posted any facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Undocumented-Americans coming over the border in vast numbers mean that wages are kept low which squeezes inflation out of the economy, meaning we can keep interest rates much lower on an ongoing basis than we'd be able to otherwise. They also mean no loss of production due to labour shortages. These things combined help grow the economy exponentially faster than would otherwise be possible.
If it wasn't for fear, loathing and religion, it'd be impossible for the GOP to run a successful right wing movement on behalf of the small bunch of plutocrats who fund it.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
Hilariously, the GOP now need the Hispanic vote to have any chance of winning future elections, so all those decades of demonising immigrants are coming back to bite them.
Here's an interesting article. Especially interesting the massive cost and loss of over 80 hospitals and jobs due to all the free medical care given. This free care needs to be put to an end, unless we decide to change how medical care is given; like U.K. or Canada.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...6/170334.shtml
The economy is only growing expodentially faster for people who already have more money than they know what to do with. The middle class is quickly losing ground. They can't take a job with humane working conditions or benefits because companies can't afford to do that. It's insourcing a job instead of outsourcing, they're both just as bad for the middle class (which i'll remind you composes a VAST majority of america).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Companies are closing left and right because they refuse to break the law to make ends meet. I don't know where you live, but where i live, 2 major factories just shut down. Those jobs paid atleast $15 an hour. Those jobs are no longer available because they wouldn't cut benefits to their employees or hire cheap labor. Since you wanna use numbers, thats about 1,000 people out of a job with benefits which now adds to the strain on the government to provide for them. Thats right the government, not democrats (pc crazy hippies in denial of their own mental illiness), not republicans (fat old rich "god sent" leaders), the government.
Regardless of party lines, they all have special interest groups they lean towards to get elected. The democrats favor the gays (biggest mental illiness group on their roster) and angry minorites who they've brainwashed into thinking they are victims. The republicans favor the delusional churches and any business that will throw money at them.
All they care about is money which is funny because the way they're all going, nobody that lives here will have any to give them after the insane taxes that they'd need to collect to balance their policies and the money they do collect won't be worth anything as they continually destroy the dollars value day in and day out. Atleast they can burn it to keep them warm in the winter when energy companies get run out of business. Have you been to a small middle class town with in the past 10 years? They've mostly all degraded into drug havens as their isn't a good legitimate way to make money there anymore.
Again i will remind you that the iraq war wasn't started because of oil in the 00's, it was prevented from happening in the 90's because of oil. In the 90's, they (iraq's government) bombed us domestically twice (first world trade center, oklahoma city) as well as try to take the life of bush senior (overseas). If you believe in the 9-11 conspiracy you are an idiot because you would also need to explain how the government was behind those two attacks as well as flight 800 (and the bombing over in somalia). They had WMD's at one time (go in nothern iraq and look at the mass graves made for the thousands killed by chemical weapons) and thats a good enough lie to get in there because the truth would be really hard to accept.
The truth is we were attacked and they (our government) put the money we were making from "peace" ahead of the general security of the people that live here. This is a consistant pattern of action that is being taken today. They bring in millions of illegal workers just to save a couple cents in production costs. Those few cents are more important to them than the people that elected them to office.
KL for president.
p.s it's crap. Outsourcing doesn't save any money for the consumer, what it does is increase profits for the companies. Several big companies have relocated where it's cheaper and there are lax labour laws, has the cost of their product come down? No.
Iraq attacked you? ::** however you are right on one point. They do care about money more than they care about you.
Yes, unquestionably the American middle class are starting to suffer from globalisation. But they're also suffering because since Reagan there's been a shift in the tax burden from the top 1% of earners to the middle and lower income brackets. Middle class taxes are too high because they're gradually being given a greater share of the overall tax burden over the past thirty years. Reagan and Bush 41 shafted the middle/lower incomes in the 80s/90s and sent their taxes skyrocketing, then George Bush 43 got the very same dummies to vote for him in 2000 because their taxes were too high. And again, the mentally ill people are the ones voting GOP who don't earn more than $250 K pa. The people voting Democratic actually mostly have a clue what's going on in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Even dumbass George Bush admitted Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and nowhere did I mention any conspiracy theories about 9/11, so it's you with the idiotic theories, not me. There are only a small bunch of dead-enders, the Bush Fedayeen, who continue to believe looney tune stuff like that, because they can't admit they were lied into an illegal war for oil.
The Iraq war was indeed started because of oil. You can't name a single thing we've done in the Middle East since WW2 that wasn't to maintain and extend our control of the oil reserves there. All the problems we're now facing from Islamic terrorism are due to our actions in the region over the last half century. Like Iran, for instance. If we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government and replaced it with a military dictatorship in the 1950s because they made the mistake of thinking they owned their own oilfields then there'd never have been an Iranian problem for us to deal with.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Good article LEGION what's so bad is that this is a reflection of whats to come all over the country.If they don't pay their hospital bills they wont pay for anything else so the tax payers will have to pay more taxes to cover this.Here are a few more articles on how we benefit from illegals.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=42474
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org...mevictims.html
Undocumented-Americans pay billions into America's social security system and don't get a penny back because they're using false ss numbers. The economic benefits of mass immigration far outweigh the benefits -- that's why the US government lets them in. If you're doing well in America then you benefit greatly from the mass immigration. If you're in the section of society that's competing with them, then go back to school to improve yourself and/or work harder. That's the American way, isn't it, not whining about something which is going to continue no matter what. America is a nation of immigrants and that's never going to change because mass immigration has made the American economy what it is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
....another liberal wussy telling us everything would be ok if we taxed everyone heavily and gave all our money to poor dolts who will spend it on lottery tickets and booze!Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
KL if I am not mistaken I do believe only LEGAL citizens pay ALL their taxes and fund the government programs that provide for the ILLEGAL immigrants. Call me crazy but I doubt that all Illegals get paid with the taxes taken out of their checks.
If you think Illegals pay into social security you just lost this debate because that is fucking moronic! ILLEGALS GET PAID UNDER THE TABLE so not only do they not pay taxes, their emplayers don't have to pay taxes....everyone is getting too greedy and it's going to bite us just like the housing market!
KL all you did was explain why UNIONS should be run out of existance with all this talk of "labor stoppages" and I have a remedy for you. The United States already has a Department of Labor, hence there is no reason for the money grubbing theiving Unions to run anything anymore.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Mass immigration is not good for any country,hell this is more like an invasion the way these criminals come into the US.