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How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
Floyd Sinclair.... umm, I mean Floyd Mayweather, is a solid favorite to beat Ricky Hatton, for many reasons.
So, therefore, Floyd doesn't just have to win, he needs to be convincing. Against Oscar, Floyd definitely won, but the fact that it was a competitive fight left some people saying that Floyd wasn't as dominant as he should have been.
So... how dominant does Floyd have to be for it to be considered a successful performance?
Does he need to KO/TKO Hatton? Does he have to win 9 rounds to 3? 10 rounds to 2?
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
I think as long as he looks untroubled no one can bag him. A solid win say 117-111 would be fine.
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Mayweather fights the same way he did when he beat Henry Brussles or Shramba Mitchell he beats Hatton easily.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Mayweather fights the same way he did when he beat Henry Brussles or Shramba Mitchell he beats Hatton easily.
OK.... but the question is... how dominant does he need to be for it to be considered successful.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Mayweather fights the same way he did when he beat Henry Brussles or Shramba Mitchell he beats Hatton easily.
OK.... but the question is... how dominant does he need to be for it to be considered successful.
All he has to do is be himself. That\'s dominant enough.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
OK.... but the question is... how dominant does he need to be for it to be considered successful.
116-112 against another top ten p4p is fine.
Calzaghe just got mucho credit for a 8-4, 7-5 win. Right? And Kessler wasn't quite P4P-level.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Mayweather fights the same way he did when he beat Henry Brussles or Shramba Mitchell he beats Hatton easily.
OK.... but the question is... how dominant does he need to be for it to be considered successful.
Pretty much answers itself Sweet,,,Two KO and was winning every round on the cards at the point it happened....
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
I don't know why but something tells me it'll be a bad idea for PBF to sit on the ropes against Hatton and try to roll the punches.
If you know Hatton you know he doesn't really go for the head when he has an opponent on the ropes. He prefers to attack the body. PBF needs to step to the side and get off the ropes before Hatton smuthers him there. If PBF can jab his way out he'll dominate Hatton. Something tells me PBFs right hand is gonna start acting funny with him due to some potential shots he'll take in the arm.
As for your question SweetPea I mean PBF's always somehow out shined his opponents whether it's early on in a fight or late in the fight. So as long as we see his dominace somewhere along the fight I'm sure no one will question his win. right ::**
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I don't know why but something tells me it'll be a bad idea for PBF to sit on the ropes against Hatton and try to roll the punches.
If you know Hatton you know he doesn't really go for the head when he has an opponent on the ropes. He prefers to attack the body. PBF needs to step to the side and get off the ropes before Hatton smuthers him there. If PBF can jab his way out he'll dominate Hatton. Something tells me PBFs right hand is gonna start acting funny with him due to some potential shots he'll take in the arm.
As for your question SweetPea I mean PBF's always somehow out shined his opponents whether it's early on in a fight or late in the fight. So as long as we see his dominace somewhere along the fight I'm sure no one will question his win. right ::**
Ha Ha Ha Ha....How many CC's you want to bet Mick for the next 5 days following the fight the board is nothing but threads on excuses for why each guy won or lost....The rest of the boxing world will dissapear
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I don't know why but something tells me it'll be a bad idea for PBF to sit on the ropes against Hatton and try to roll the punches.
If you know Hatton you know he doesn't really go for the head when he has an opponent on the ropes. He prefers to attack the body. PBF needs to step to the side and get off the ropes before Hatton smuthers him there. If PBF can jab his way out he'll dominate Hatton. Something tells me PBFs right hand is gonna start acting funny with him due to some potential shots he'll take in the arm.
As for your question SweetPea I mean PBF's always somehow out shined his opponents whether it's early on in a fight or late in the fight. So as long as we see his dominace somewhere along the fight I'm sure no one will question his win. right ::**
Ha Ha Ha Ha....How many CC's you want to bet Mick for the next 5 days following the fight the board is nothing but threads on excuses for why each guy won or lost....The rest of the boxing world will dissapear
5 days and about 100 different threads later..... :(
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
Depends on what you mean by successful. In order to retain his god-like status, Floyd needs to outclass Hatton even if the scorecards are close. He can do this just by obviously being in control of certain aspects of the fight, even if he allows Hatton to score well.
But if it is a tough, hard-fought battle with advantage going back and forth, and Floyd just squeaks by - it is still a successful win, but he will lose some status as a near-unbeatable fighter.
In a sense, that loss of status would perhaps make the fight not a success for Floyd in the sense you are thinking, if I am understanding the nature of the question. It would make Floyd seem more 'normal.'
We'll just have to see if Hatton, even by way of a loss, can manage to make Floyd look normal. I'm thinking probably not.
I do think that Castillo beat Floyd first time around, and that if Oscar could have stayed on the offensive, he'd have beat him too. So it's not like he's unbeatable. But I'm not sure Hatton's the one to prove it. Soon to find out! Can't wait.
I'm not a Hatton-hater, by the way. Like him. Just going with Floyd for this fight.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
Clear cut decision by about 3 rounds any closer and the haters will be coming out of the woodwork.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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I do think that Castillo beat Floyd first time around, and that if Oscar could have stayed on the offensive, he'd have beat him too.
I think it's fair to note that both those fights was Floyd fighting a bigger man at a new weight class.
Much like Hatton with Collazo.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Mayweather fights the same way he did when he beat Henry Brussles or Shramba Mitchell he beats Hatton easily.
Mitchell was top of his game wasnt he?
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Mayweather fights the same way he did when he beat Henry Brussles or Shramba Mitchell he beats Hatton easily.
Mitchell was top of his game wasnt he?
When Sharmbe faced Floyd he was slipping...By that time his best days were gone...He was a gate keeper by the time the two had met
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
If Hatton can match floyd's speed then he's got him. If he doesn't have the speed then he doesn't have the win.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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If Hatton can match floyd's speed then he's got him. If he doesn't have the speed then he doesn't have the win.
Well Hatton cant match Floyds speed, so u just gave the win to PBF....
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If Hatton can match floyd's speed then he's got him. If he doesn't have the speed then he doesn't have the win.
Not many people can match Floyd for speed! and floyd is alot faster than Hatton.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
If he's TO dominant, then Hatton just wasn't a good opponent.
I don't think he will outclass him by some 12 rounds but there is that potential and that is what would be said.
For his purposes, he needs Hatton to come out and look really good but still manage to pull away with it by a few rounds.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Floyd Sinclair.... umm, I mean Floyd Mayweather, is a solid favorite to beat Ricky Hatton, for many reasons.
So, therefore, Floyd doesn't just have to win, he needs to be convincing. Against Oscar, Floyd definitely won, but the fact that it was a competitive fight left some people saying that Floyd wasn't as dominant as he should have been.
So... how dominant does Floyd have to be for it to be considered a successful performance?
Does he need to KO/TKO Hatton? Does he have to win 9 rounds to 3? 10 rounds to 2?
Mayweather's fight with Oscar was competitive in that he doens't have the power to dominate like Roy JOnes jr. or guys liek that. It was every bit the boxing lesson Whitaker gave Chavez. Being able to dodge almost every punch a fighter like Oscar throws while landing half your punches is amazing, and a sign of dominance IMO if the guy is a defensive fighter like Mayweather. He did what he wanted to in that fight except maybe finish it before the 12th round ended while Oscar did get him to the ropes, which Floyd allowed, he didn't land even close to as much as he wanted to.
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Mayweather has been impressive most of his career, the nay-sayers will still be around no matter what. He could knock hattons head completly off his shoulders in the first and the credit won't go to floyd for being good, it will go to hatton being not so good. It's just the way things are for floyd which makes me wonder how long he will really continue to fight, there is really nothing else he can prove to raise his stock. There will always be the "sure floyd beat him, but to prove he's really good he should fight blah blah blah. Just my opinion guys.
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All he has to do is win and it need not to be a dhady desicion
The crazy thing is that Floyd can do his usual thing and beat Hatton. Ricky would have to have a once and a lifetime performance to beat Mayweather ;)
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If Ricky can't hurt him early on there is only one hope left , by going all out for the kill at 110% and maybe wearing him down, Hatton trains up for 30 hard rounds, so he can and will do that ;Question is can Floyd win going backwards and sidways for most of a fight, I think he's smart and smooth enough unless he gets caught hard.
Worth a few $ bet on HAtton for a ko however you look at it.
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If Ricky can't hurt him early on there is only one hope left , by going all out for the kill at 110% and maybe wearing him down, [size=10pt]Hatton trains up for 30 hard rounds, so he can and will do that [/size] ;Question is can Floyd win going backwards and sidways for most of a fight, I think he's smart and smooth enough unless he gets caught hard.
Worth a few $ bet on HAtton for a ko however you look at it.
I have seen Ricky Hatton fading late in multiple fights. I have never seen Floyd fading late in a fight. Have you?
There really is no reason for us to believe that Hatton's conditioning and stamina are superior to Floyd's.
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If Hatton can match floyd's speed then he's got him. If he doesn't have the speed then he doesn't have the win.
Well I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Hatton to match Floyd's speed. There's really no comparison between the two in terms of speed.
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Well I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Hatton to match Floyd's speed. There's really no comparison between the two in terms of speed.
Sweet Pea. Loving the avy. I had used the other Pernell S.I. cover ("The Best") as my avy on another site.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
I think if Floyd wins by a couple of rounds it will be dominant enough! As long as theres no controversy in the scoring & the win ain't disputed it'll be enough for me.
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If Ricky can't hurt him early on there is only one hope left , by going all out for the kill at 110% and maybe wearing him down, [size=10pt]Hatton trains up for 30 hard rounds, so he can and will do that [/size] ;Question is can Floyd win going backwards and sidways for most of a fight, I think he's smart and smooth enough unless he gets caught hard.
Worth a few $ bet on HAtton for a ko however you look at it.
I have seen Ricky Hatton fading late in multiple fights. I have never seen Floyd fading late in a fight. Have you?
There really is no reason for us to believe that Hatton's conditioning and stamina are superior to Floyd's.
True ,
I think HAtton goes harder ,tries harder when something big is in front of him.
Floyd is smarter so he doesnt tire becuase of it.
We gunna get better odds from the US bookies, than doing tatts each week!
Ill still have a couple $ on a ko from HAtton just for he!l of it. ;)
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I think if Floyd wins by a couple of rounds it will be dominant enough! As long as theres no controversy in the scoring & the win ain't disputed it'll be enough for me.
HAtton cant win a close desicion in the states against the states/worlds, best, hahaha he has to ko him or he will loose; even if he is ahead on the rest of the worlds cards.
You forget its all $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and futures.
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
I think if Floyd wins by a couple of rounds it will be dominant enough! As long as theres no controversy in the scoring & the win ain't disputed it'll be enough for me.
HAtton cant win a close desicion in the states against the states/worlds, best, hahaha he has to ko him or he will loose; even if he is ahead on the rest of the worlds cards.
You forget its all $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and futures.
If this is true, then Luis Collazo would have won a decision against Ricky Hatton.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by Andre
If Ricky can't hurt him early on there is only one hope left , by going all out for the kill at 110% and maybe wearing him down, Hatton trains up for 30 hard rounds, so he can and will do that ;Question is can Floyd win going backwards and sidways for most of a fight, I think he's smart and smooth enough unless he gets caught hard.
Worth a few $ bet on HAtton for a ko however you look at it.
Yea but most are discounting Mayweathers power and sharpness, Ricky is fighting at a weight that he isint accustomed to and a weight that Floyd has been fighting a couple of years, I think you will be suprised how early on Floyd will get respect and he backs Hatton up with Straight righys and Jabs. Ricky does not know what adjustments he has to make at 147 to be effective. The Colazzo campaign was a sucess but yet a failure seeing team Hatton knew they couldnt be the same at 147 so they immediately went back to 140 instead of continueing on at 147. mark my words hattons footwork and handspeed will not be the same at 147.
most are imaginig a 140 version of Hatton showing up and putting up that kind of fight, I'm sorry but he isint and if you think he is going to just waltz right in at 147 and KO the best Friggin boxer in the world with a mythological body shot, your on some major crack ::**
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
I think if Floyd wins by a couple of rounds it will be dominant enough! As long as theres no controversy in the scoring & the win ain't disputed it'll be enough for me.
HAtton cant win a close desicion in the states against the states/worlds, best, hahaha he has to ko him or he will loose; even if he is ahead on the rest of the worlds cards.
You forget its all $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and futures.
If this is true, then Luis Collazo would have won a decision against Ricky Hatton.
Good call SweetPea
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by Andre
If Ricky can't hurt him early on there is only one hope left , by going all out for the kill at 110% and maybe wearing him down, Hatton trains up for 30 hard rounds, so he can and will do that ;Question is can Floyd win going backwards and sidways for most of a fight, I think he's smart and smooth enough unless he gets caught hard.
Worth a few $ bet on HAtton for a ko however you look at it.
Yea but most are discounting Mayweathers power and sharpness, Ricky is fighting at a weight that he isint accustomed to and a weight that Floyd has been fighting a couple of years, I think you will be suprised how early on Floyd will get respect and he backs Hatton up with Straight righys and Jabs. Ricky does not know what adjustments he has to make at 147 to be effective. The Colazzo campaign was a sucess but yet a failure seeing team Hatton knew they couldnt be the same at 147 so they immediately went back to 140 instead of continueing on at 147. mark my words hattons footwork and handspeed will not be the same at 147.
most are imaginig a 140 version of Hatton showing up and putting up that kind of fight, I'm sorry but he isint and if you think he is going to just waltz right in at 147 and KO the best Friggin boxer in the world with a mythological body shot, your on some major crack ::**
Oh I know, but realize it is Hattons only shot and they will train for it with that in mind, he cant out box Floyd ,but I already said that didnt I ???.
Still worth the odds as a bet i think who ever you go for.
No waltz ,no cat walk,no trippin. :)
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Originally Posted by Andre
If Ricky can't hurt him early on there is only one hope left , by going all out for the kill at 110% and maybe wearing him down, Hatton trains up for 30 hard rounds, so he can and will do that ;Question is can Floyd win going backwards and sidways for most of a fight, I think he's smart and smooth enough unless he gets caught hard.
Worth a few $ bet on HAtton for a ko however you look at it.
Yea but most are discounting Mayweathers power and sharpness, Ricky is fighting at a weight that he isint accustomed to and a weight that Floyd has been fighting a couple of years, I think you will be suprised how early on Floyd will get respect and he backs Hatton up with Straight righys and Jabs. Ricky does not know what adjustments he has to make at 147 to be effective. The Colazzo campaign was a sucess but yet a failure seeing team Hatton knew they couldnt be the same at 147 so they immediately went back to 140 instead of continueing on at 147. mark my words hattons footwork and handspeed will not be the same at 147.
most are imaginig a 140 version of Hatton showing up and putting  up that kind of fight, I'm sorry but he isint and if you think he is going to just waltz right in at 147 and KO the best Friggin boxer in the world with a mythological body shot, your on some major crack ::**
Oh I know, but realize it is Hattons only shot and they will train for it with that in mind, he cant out box Floyd ,but I already said that didnt I ???.
Still worth the odds as a bet i think who ever you go for.
No waltz ,no cat walk,no trippin. :)
Just so you know I wasnt rolling my eyes at you in paticular, just in general
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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I think if Floyd wins by a couple of rounds it will be dominant enough! As long as theres no controversy in the scoring & the win ain't disputed it'll be enough for me.
HAtton cant win a close desicion in the states against the states/worlds, best, hahaha he has to ko him or he will loose; even if he is ahead on the rest of the worlds cards.
You forget its all $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and futures.
If this is true, then Luis Collazo would have won a decision against Ricky Hatton.
Good call SweetPea
Maybe gents, but theres a hell of alot more on the cards this time around.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
Well a couple of months ago I posted how if Floyd didn't k.o. Hatton I would lose some respect for him. If I remember correctly EAGLE called me out on it and basically said that is was silly to say that. It might be, but as little value as Floyd and Ellerbe have said that Hatton is; a wrestling, d-class, punk-a$$ below amatuer type fighter, then it really shouldn't be that difficult to get Hatton out of there{which I think Floyd will do to be honest}. If he does what he did to Gatti that's about the same thing and I will see either as dominant. But as vocal as he's been and this b.s. asking Ricky if he's "prepared to die", he won't look as good if it goes to the scorecards, in my eyes anyways. Also, they've already stated that this fight won't add anything to Floyd's legacy, it's just $$$ sense, so obviously they think very little of Hatton and as good as Floyd is he should knock out a d-class bum, right? Regardless, a win is a win at the end of the day and it's all opinion anyways. I'll be happy if Rick gets to the last round, but I don't see it.
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If Ricky can't hurt him early on there is only one hope left , by going all out for the kill at 110% and maybe wearing him down, Hatton trains up for 30 hard rounds, so he can and will do that ;Question is can Floyd win going backwards and sidways for most of a fight, I think he's smart and smooth enough unless he gets caught hard.
Worth a few $ bet on HAtton for a ko however you look at it.
Yea but most are discounting Mayweathers power and sharpness, Ricky is fighting at a weight that he isint accustomed to and a weight that Floyd has been fighting a couple of years, I think you will be suprised how early on Floyd will get respect and he backs Hatton up with Straight righys and Jabs. Ricky does not know what adjustments he has to make at 147 to be effective. The Colazzo campaign was a sucess but yet a failure seeing team Hatton knew they couldnt be the same at 147 so they immediately went back to 140 instead of continueing on at 147. mark my words hattons footwork and handspeed will not be the same at 147.
most are imaginig a 140 version of Hatton showing up and putting up that kind of fight, I'm sorry but he isint and if you think he is going to just waltz right in at 147 and KO the best Friggin boxer in the world with a mythological body shot, your on some major crack ::**
Oh I know, but realize it is Hattons only shot and they will train for it with that in mind, he cant out box Floyd ,but I already said that didnt I ???.
Still worth the odds as a bet i think who ever you go for.
No waltz ,no cat walk,no trippin. :)
Jusy so you know I wasnt rolling my eyes at you in paticular, just in general
:) Major crack ...
We had a big fat politian tried to smuggle 40 pounds of crack into our country latley.
I have put on alot of weight over winter ...but me , on major crack!
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Floyd Sinclair.... umm, I mean Floyd Mayweather, is a solid favorite to beat Ricky Hatton, for many reasons.
So, therefore, Floyd doesn't just have to win, he needs to be convincing. Against Oscar, Floyd definitely won, but the fact that it was a competitive fight left some people saying that Floyd wasn't as dominant as he should have been.
So... how dominant does Floyd have to be for it to be considered a successful performance?
Does he need to KO/TKO Hatton? Does he have to win 9 rounds to 3? 10 rounds to 2?
Mayweather's fight with Oscar was competitive in that he doens't have the power to dominate like Roy JOnes jr. or guys liek that. It was every bit the boxing lesson Whitaker gave Chavez. Being able to dodge almost every punch a fighter like Oscar throws while landing half your punches is amazing, and a sign of dominance IMO if the guy is a defensive fighter like Mayweather. He did what he wanted to in that fight except maybe finish it before the 12th round ended while Oscar did get him to the ropes, which Floyd allowed, he didn't land even close to as much as he wanted to.
I agree with this for the most part. I thought Floyd clearly won the fight by a comfortable margin and was in control the whole time.
I thought it was an A+ performance defensively. His main goal was to nullify Oscar's left hook, and he did that for the entire 12 rounds.
But if Floyd was an A+ on defense, I thought he was only a B or B- offensively. We all know Floyd doesn't have KO power at 154, but I expected him to land and throw more punches than he did. He didn't really open up until the last few rounds, and even when compubox had him landing 50% or more, a lot of the punches weren't landing flush, Oscar was partially blocking them.
If you watch the 11th round, Floyd was nailing Oscar with flush power shots, I expected Floyd to have several rounds like that, but he didn't really.
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
i don't expect mayweather to be dominant in this fight. he is fighting a prime young tough undeafeated champion. if he dominants i will give him much respect same for hatton
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Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Floyd Sinclair.... umm, I mean Floyd Mayweather, is a solid favorite to beat Ricky Hatton, for many reasons.
So, therefore, Floyd doesn't just have to win, he needs to be convincing. Against Oscar, Floyd definitely won, but the fact that it was a competitive fight left some people saying that Floyd wasn't as dominant as he should have been.
So... how dominant does Floyd have to be for it to be considered a successful performance?
Does he need to KO/TKO Hatton? Does he have to win 9 rounds to 3? 10 rounds to 2?
He needs to stop Rick. Rick is the one moving up and taking the bigger risks.
