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I was just thinking about Ricky Hatton's place in history, and how he would have fared against some recent "better/best" 140 lbers (or near 140ers).
How do you think the following fights would go? Who wins....and how?
(Assume all fights at 140 pounds)
1) Ricky Hatton vs Pernell Whitaker
2) Ricky Hatton vs Roberto Duran
3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor
4) Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu (PRIME)
5) Ricky Hatton vs Shane Mosley
6) Ricky Hatton vs Julio Cesar Chavez
7) Ricky Hatton vs Oscar Delahoya
1) Ricky Hatton vs Pernell Whitaker = One sided UD for Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
2) Ricky Hatton vs Roberto Duran = 8th round stoppage win for Duran.
3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor = 9th round stoppage win for Pryor.
4) Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu (PRIME) = Hatton by UD.
5) Ricky Hatton vs Shane Mosley = Mosley by UD.
6) Ricky Hatton vs Julio Cesar Chavez = Chavez by 9th round stoppage.
7) Ricky Hatton vs Oscar De la Hoya = Oscar De La Hoya by UD.
Hatton can't live with any of these names in there primes except Tszyu who struggled against swarming style like he did with Vince Phillips other than that the rest take him to the cleaners.
Ice,
Thanks for your perspective. I guess I have two questions:
#4) The Hatton-Tszyu fight was very close, and I considered that to be a substantially diminished Tszyu. Dontcha think a PRIME Tszyu would have done much better? His timing and Stamina? Especially if the fight was on neutral ground at a normal time?
#5) You feel that Shane would win by Decision rather than by KO? SSM was a terror at LW, even though his competition was weak. And the SSM that fought Oscar the first go-round was a high activity guy who was very comfortable with brawling.
Side note: If you think Pernell outboxes RH, are you picking FMJ to do the same?
I don't see how you can instantly come to that conclusion...
Hatton hasn't looked bothered by anybody at 140 so to say he would get taken to the cleaners is a little bit strong. Nobody even knows how good Hatton can be at 140 because he has only been pushed to the limit once and he came through that with flying colours.
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Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
#4) The Hatton-Tszyu fight was very close, and I considered that to be a substantially diminished Tszyu. Dontcha think a PRIME Tszyu would have done much better? His timing and Stamina? Especially if the fight was on neutral ground at a normal time?
You are right but i just think Hatton just has Tszyu's number style wise, if you watch Phillips fight in which Tszyu lost badly that was because Tszyu wasn't allowed to get punching room i feel Hatton would do the same but this time win UD.
#5) You feel that Shane would win by Decision rather than by KO? SSM was a terror at LW, even though his competition was weak. And the SSM that fought Oscar the first go-round was a high activity guy who was very comfortable with brawling.
Mosley was a beast at Lightweight one of the best Lightweight's ever i feel he lost quite a bit of power moving up he may ok KO Hatton but either way he would beat Hatton pretty comfortably either way.
Side note: If you think Pernell outboxes RH, are you picking FMJ to do the same?
Yes i do im Mayweather fan i love watching him fight he reminds me of watching Whitaker i know there not the same but anytime i watch Mayweather i always think of Whitaker.
Hatton has only fought one good name at 140 the others are goodish at best you are talking about Pryor, Chavez, Duran, legends Ono Hatton can't live with any of them there all much too good for Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Duran, Chavez, Pryor, Mosley, are all much too good for Hatton on the inside and Oscar, Whitaker, are much too good for Hatton on the outside explain to me how Hatton would win any of these fights ??
Hatton's a badass, after he loses to Mayweather, I like to see him Ko Oscar panzy ass
With all due respect, I wouldn't say that Hatton passed the Collazo fight "with flying colours". Ricky was badly hurt in the 12th and finished that fight on fumes. He staggered to the finish line.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
He did not finish that fight like a champion. And not by choice.
Please be objective. If it was another fighter that looked like that in the final round, would you be as forgiving?
Collazo fight was at 147, not 140 ???Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
I think he would lose every one of those fights
Oscar, Duran would have ko'ed him
Mosley probably would have ko'ed him
Whitaker by UD
Against Aaron Pyror he might have actually done alright... I think aaron would have had difficulties with his swarming style.
Chavez would be another good fighter because Chavez hits hard, but Ithink he would have trouble with Hatton's style as well if he can't get off.
Tszyu I think would have more difficulties than anyone with Hatton, but would pull off the win in his prime with a close fight.
Legion, I know that the Collazo fight was at WW. I interpreted your statement to mean that he was only pushed to the limit once period. Not once at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
No worries. Cheers.
Ono made the statement implying Hatton was only pushed once, not me. I thought that might be what you meant but wasn't sure :-\ DIOS, what about Judah at 140 with Hatton? Any thoughts on that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
1) Ricky Hatton vs Pernell Whitaker - Pernell would outclass Hatton to a comfortable UD.
2) Ricky Hatton vs Roberto Duran - Roberto wins this one by UD in a back and forth battle.
3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor - Hatton wins this match up by a UD, closing out the show and wining the last rounds. (This is Aaron without the bottle. Aaron with the bottle wins it by TKO)
4) Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu (PRIME) - Hatton wins this by UD.
5) Ricky Hatton vs Shane Mosley - I would take SSM by a UD.
6) Ricky Hatton vs Julio Cesar Chavez - JCC by way of UD tremendous body work by both but JCC manages to edge out the win.
7) Ricky Hatton vs Oscar Delahoya - ODLH by way of UD, more comfortable then Durans & SSMs wins.
3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor - Hatton wins this match up by a UD, closing out the show and wining the last rounds. (This is Aaron without the bottle. Aaron with the bottle wins it by TKO)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Whatever Pryor had the same amount of energy with or without the bottle thats why he rematched Arguello. And beat the living crap out of him Pryor could go 15 rounds at a amazing pace if he had to and i never see him tire the guy was a living windmill, Pryor would give Hatton a pasting you underrate Pryor, you honestly think a peak Pryor would lose to Hatton ??
Nice set up piece Dios,something tells me your not terribly interested in Anyones thoughts and opinions only the opportunity to point out Hattons "flaws" like a over corrective micro manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
No offense but by Endlessly berating and diminishing top notch past & present guys:
Callazo
Castillo
Tszyu
Pendleton
and anyone else brought up you come off like a truly nonobjective fan boy.
Floyd is a superb talent and a truly gifted boxer...He is a champion..So is Hatton!
If you honestly feel that way then by all means go right ahead. But when I see the fight I see huge punches landing and Pryor absorbing them like nothing happened. I know what Panama was capable of doing and messing with the drink was like a walk in the park for him. He certainly lived by the phrase "By any means necessary".....Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
But to think that Arguello was the same after the 1st fight is absurd. Alexis was a shadow of what he used to be by the time they fought the rematch. Let's also not forget Alexis was the one moving up in weight to challenge the champion. I don't underrate Pryor at all his career was short and simple. Aside from both Cervantes & Alexis who were past their best days no one else on his resume jumps out. So for me to be able to underrate him their needs to be something there to underrate. But I don't see a thing. Hes career was made of the 2 wins over Alexis and that's about it.
We've discussed this one before and we both know and you agreed that Aarons career is just too short. I've seen him fight and beat his opponents but I mean really aside from the ones mentioned who else of note would you ICB say: "Well he did beat......."
Cause the ONLY other one I would mention would be Kim and only because he quickly championed at one point. But I mean that's being really niece if we're gonna say Kim.
Spicoli,Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli Surfs In 'Nawlins
Is this some figment of your imagination? I notice that everyone else can engage in this discussion....but you.
Whatever. Cheers, mate.
If you honestly feel that way then by all means go right ahead. But when I see the fight I see huge punches landing and Pryor absorbing them like nothing happened. I know what Panama was capable of doing and messing with the drink was like a walk in the park for him. He certainly lived by the phrase "By any means necessary".....Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Bottle or no bottle Pryor had amazing chin and great stamina anyway in what way can Hatton beat Pryor ?? Hatton would never beat Pryor in a toe to toe battle and if by some chance he did Pryor could box like he did with Arguello in the 1st fight.
But to think that Arguello was the same after the 1st fight is absurd. Alexis was a shadow of what he used to be by the time they fought the rematch. Let's also not forget Alexis was the one moving up in weight to challenge the champion.
Did i say Arguello was the same in the 2nd fight ?? what i meant by the comment is that alot of people considered it controverisial and atleast Pryor gave Arguello a rematch but even Arguello admired Pryor he said he had never been hit with two hands at the sametime. Arguello was moving up yes but he was still very good at that weight he performed excellent in the fight with Pryor and i don't like how people keep saying *Arguello was way past his prime* because in previsious fights he didn't look past it and no one at the time considered Arguello past it thats why Pryor was the underdog.
I don't underrate Pryor at all his career was short and simple. Aside from both Cervantes & Alexis who were past their best days no one else on his resume jumps out. So for me to be able to underrate him their needs to be something there to underrate. But I don't see a thing. Hes career was made of the 2 wins over Alexis and that's about it.
Forgetting the names he beat for a second he was a great fighter yes his career was short but basically when i quoted you i wanted you to tell me in what way can Hatton beat Pryor because i just don't see it.
That's It? You'd do better for youself at proclaiming and Pointing out Floyds obvious Credentials and accomplishments rather than Belittling not only Hatton but 4 other fighters endlessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
Someone Picks Mosley clearly over Hatton and its not still no good......You lawyer for a KO pick.
And tell me what "Didn't finish that fight like a Champion.and not by choice" means
My meds have yet to kick in and I'm Short-bus like that.
A champion Defeats a quality fighter and Gets tagged in the late rounds...to walk threw adversity and triumph.Sounds like a Top Champion and A good Challenger to me.Wow....Imagine that in this sport ::** Welcome aboard by the way.Hows the weather up there.
Why would I be interested in fantasy Match-ups when the Biggest fight for Hatton Is in front of him.That's something that will be done endlessly After He
wins . to each his own Mate......Later days.
Well Ice the thing with Aaron is that he never had a prime great to fight and Hatton competition is about as good as his and he did just as good.
At 140 except for Tszyu, Hatton fought average opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
If you are not interested in fantasy matchups for Hatton, why would you repeatedly post in a Hatton Fantasy Matchups thread? Odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli Surfs In 'Nawlins
Also, you have stated a couple of times now that I have "endlessly belittled four other fighters". Where exactly did I do that?
Here is what "didn't finish like a champion and not by choice" means:
Hatton was almost KTFO'd in the twelth round of the Collazo fight. They call the final rounds the championship rounds. It is commonly said that you should "finish like a champion". Some guys elect to dance away the last round if they feel they have the fight in the bag. That is finishing weakly, but by choice.
Hatton finished weakly, but not by choice. Fact.
I know ice they are in the same boat with the competition they faced almost so i do not think it out of the question that Hatton might win.
Amzing chin?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Akio dropped him in the 1st round flat on his back Aaron had to roll over (Also no need to post the video as I've seen it plenty of times), Dujuan had him allover the place early on.
There is no doubt in my mind that drink had something Alexis punches were thumping and brutal. Aaron just smiled. ::**
When Aaron would try to box Alexis would counter him with power shots.
At least Pryor gave him the rematch??Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Well it's the least he could do right? I mean think ICB, no urine samples were collected Aaron was never tested. Hhhmm!!
He had only 1 fight prior to the Aaron fight. It was against 19-1 Rooney. That's 1 fight at 140 against a guy who was Welter that had moved down in weight to fight Alexis for a shot at the spot light. Alexis performed the best he could and I think he would have beaten Aaron if not for the bottle the shots Alexis threw in the late rounds would have dropped anyone who was not under the inlfuence of "something".Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Ofcourse no one considered Alexis past his prime cause he was fighting at Lightweight would he have stood at Lightweight he would have been OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
That's like me telling you Young beat Aaron I mean we all know Aaron was past it and we all know Aaron had been having drug problems very close to around the time he faced Alexis some say before I've read where people say after those fights.
But you know putting on some weight and moving up can have big effects on a fighter. Taking hits like the ones Alexis took from a fighter who was on a substance takes a lot out of you hitting him with your best shots takes a lot out of you.
As a fighter like I said his skills unfortunately were not tested against elite fighters whether they ducked him or their weren't any great fighters for him to take on is just part of the sport. Well Hattons a very good inside fighter Aaron needed distance to throw his best punches I could see Hatton smutherring Aaron. Aaron was a whirlwind but Hattons just as rugged and tuff as Aaron was inside. When have you seen Hatton backing up? When did you see Aaron backing up? I just think Hatton takes this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
1) Whitaker UDQuote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
2) Duran UD
3) Pryor Late Stoppage
4) Tszyu KO 6
5) Mosley UD
6) Chavez SD
7) DLH UD
mmm.. I have the Fatboy losing all of these and yet i like him, Hatton would do well against all opponents here. The only reason i have Tszyu knocking him out is he wouldn't have bullied a younger, prime Tszyu and pow KT would have popped him at some point so round 6 is it.
He has received that criticism alot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Hatton has been at 140 for approximately ten years. During the past decade, the guys available at 135-140 were:
Judah, Corrales, Casamayor, Castillo, Malignaggi, Cotto, Judah, Lazcano, Witter, Tszyu, Harris, Gatti, Forbes, Campbell, Mayweather, NDou, etc, etc.
That represents the lion's share of the elite. I included some LW's since Ricky fought other LW's. Didn't include WW's because it isn't fair to force a guy to move up.
The criticism that Ricky received is because he did not face any of those guys in their prime. There was good comp available during those ten years.
When he fought a 40 year old Vince Phillips, and a 38 year old Freddie Pendleton (25 losses at the time), many people hung that "overprotected" banner on him.
Amzing chin?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Akio dropped him in the 1st round flat on his back Aaron had to roll over (Also no need to post the video as I've seen it plenty of times), Dujuan had him allover the place early on.
There is no doubt in my mind that drink had something Alexis punches were thumping and brutal. Aaron just smiled.
When Aaron would try to box Alexis would counter him with power shots.
Pryor was off balance against Akio he rolled back and got straight back up he was not hurt by that punch at all he was just off balance.
Dujuan floored Pryor with a good punch but he was up straight away and Pryor was not all over place against Dujuan he took some good punches but he stood his ground and then whooped Dujuan after about the 4th round.
How does a drink effect your chin ?? if he did have something it would of only effected his energy nothing else. Bottle or no bottle he had amazing chin them shots from Arguello would of KO most opponents and his other knockdowns were from being off balance when he was rushing in doesn't mean he hasn't got a great chin.
When Pryor boxed Arguello, he was hitting Pryor on the end of the punches so that takes away your power.
At least Pryor gave him the rematch??
Well it's the least he could do right? I mean think ICB, no urine samples were collected Aaron was never tested. Hhhmm!!
I don't know the full story of why the urine samples wern't collected so i will not comment on it.
He had only 1 fight prior to the Aaron fight. It was against 19-1 Rooney. That's 1 fight at 140 against a guy who was Welter that had moved down in weight to fight Alexis for a shot at the spot light. Alexis performed the best he could and I think he would have beaten Aaron if not for the bottle the shots Alexis threw in the late rounds would have dropped anyone who was not under the inlfuence of "something".
Yes i know Mick but he dismantled Rooney in fine fashion and in previsious fights even before Rooney fight he looked great. Who knows ?? it is very controversial but we will never know im not going to keep debating with you on it because no one really knows what was in the bottle so i'll leave it at that.
Ofcourse no one considered Alexis past his prime cause he was fighting at Lightweight would he have stood at Lightweight he would have been OK.
That's like me telling you Young beat Aaron I mean we all know Aaron was past it and we all know Aaron had been having drug problems very close to around the time he faced Alexis some say before I've read where people say after those fights.
But you know putting on some weight and moving up can have big effects on a fighter. Taking hits like the ones Alexis took from a fighter who was on a substance takes a lot out of you hitting him with your best shots takes a lot out of you.
How can you compare Arguello who was still very good fighter to the Pryor that lost to Young ?? he had drug problems and he was coming off a long lay off he was counting with the timekeeper when he was knocked down in first round then when he was knocked down again in the 7th i can't remember exactly what he done but he done a cross symbol or something ?? but the ref stopped the fight not because Pryor was badly hurt but because he see the way Pryor was acting and it was a right call by the ref you could see Pryor had bad mental problems.
As a fighter like I said his skills unfortunately were not tested against elite fighters whether they ducked him or their weren't any great fighters for him to take on is just part of the sport. Well Hattons a very good inside fighter Aaron needed distance to throw his best punches I could see Hatton smutherring Aaron. Aaron was a whirlwind but Hattons just as rugged and tuff as Aaron was inside. When have you seen Hatton backing up? When did you see Aaron backing up? I just think Hatton takes this one.
Pryor would also swarm Hatton plus he had much faster hands and better boxing skills when he used them like i said if somehow Hatton beat Pryor on inside Pryor would box i really don't see how Hatton could beat Pryor in a toe to toe war i really don't.
Pryor was tested against Cervantes and Arguello both elite even if you think they were past it. Well we could say the same for Hatton couldn't we ?? Castillo, Tszyu, were both past it so if you don't think Pryor's skills were ever tested against elite fighter because they were past it then i will comeback and say neither has Hatton because Castillo and Tszyu were both past it.
ofcourse they were off balance. Come on ICB, Pryor went on to win but the least you can do is admit he went down. Without saying he was caught off balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
A "mixed" drink can effect your entire body not just your chin. A mixed drink with let's say something like PCP would be like giving Aaron body armour from ancient times. Thats how a drink can effect your chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Well they never collected urine samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Which I mean how in the hell do they forget to collect urine samples?
No one was ever blamed or anything, all Alexis got was a "It was our mistake, sorry" :beat:
I didn't take much to dismantle Rooney I mean he had to drop in weight as I said Rooney had been fighting upwords of 147 and he was KO'd in all of his looses. I understand Alexis looked well prior to the Rooney fight again that was at Lighweight not Light Welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I compared them cause it was obvious neither fighter was the same they once were. Whether one was a drug addict or the other was fighting at age 30 with 82 fights moving up to yet another weight class far from 118 lbs. which is reportedly the weight he started fighting at. Point is whatever reasons maybe they were both past it one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I didn't say Hatton would go toe to toe, I said Hatton would smuther Aaron and would try not to let Aaron get his distance to fight. One things for sure it would be a very interesting fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Right, I was never debating their oppositions. Funny you mention this cause I am one of the VERY FEW people on here who believes Tszyu wasn't past his best. I actually thought you also felt Tszyu wasn't past it? I know theirs a few people who think Tszyu wasn't past his best.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
JLC that's a whole another story.
Truth is Hatton & Aaron are pretty much hand in hand right now as far as opposition. So a Hatton win would not be out of the question or a far stretched truth.
You make some good points Mick im very tired at the moment im going to take a nap but i'll answer you later take care and cc for good debate.
Heres CC#1483 ICB always a good time sharing some posts with 'ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Hatton goes 0-7Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
A fighter gets hurt and comes through and finishes...WOW.Never seen that before huh?Regardless,He Is still champion!Will you argue that Callozo won the fight?Did you score It?Some would call Easing off the gas and getting defensive in 11th & 12th when You Feel like You have It won as Smart.Not Me at all though....Did Hatton take a knee,Did He take A count??He faced Adversity IN the championship rounds and Prevailed.Nothing WEAK about that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
If so Is It Worse to "choose" to be Weak or Better to face it suddenly in a fight and Emerge victoious??
I post on this thread in direct response to yourself Not What Ifs and might have beens.Look Its what people do,Root there charge on and Believe in there guy No Harm.But you do Floyd no justice by Calling into question Hattons Big Victories....So If floyd has a spectacular victory does that not deminish Hattons credibility as well and in turn Floyds Accomplishment there??
Go look at your own posts man,You even refute those that agree with you.and 75% of time are playing lawyer for floyd.We can count on seeing you AFTER the fight??
Castillo was Washed up and looked bad in last 2 fights...you said OK so You do what logic would dictate there KO 4 against a very good fighter.Kostya had more surgeries than fights?come on.Why dont you build up Floyd and let him Tear His Hatton down?
Hatton is a quality Champion as is Floyd.There going to fight regardless.
That was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
That aint 140.
And by your reckoning......no champion is allowed to get tagged or hurt?
From reading a lot of your posts on here it is alarmingly obvious that you are a massive Floyd Mayweather fan and this thread was an ideal way of be-littling Hatton.
Severley diminished kostya tszyu....my arse
Ok Mick im back i would like to debate with you on this a little more because im having fun with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
ofcourse they were off balance. Come on ICB, Pryor went on to win but the least you can do is admit he went down. Without saying he was caught off balance.
I did admit Pryor went down but in the Akio fight he was clearly off balance, Akio hit Pryor with with very soft punches none of them were damaging blows and he went down just because he was off balance.
A "mixed" drink can effect your entire body not just your chin. A mixed drink with let's say something like PCP would be like giving Aaron body armour from ancient times. Thats how a drink can effect your chin.
Im not very knowledgable in all that stuff Mick so i won't really comment on it but my point still stands that i still think Pryor has amazing chin even though Arguello was past it in the rematch with Pryor he hit Pryor with some monster shots and Pryor didn't even move not to go off topic but i think that 1st round was one of the best opening rounds in history.
Well they never collected urine samples.
Which I mean how in the hell do they forget to collect urine samples?
No one was ever blamed or anything, all Alexis got was a "It was our mistake, sorry
Believe me i know what kind of man Panama Lewis is i remember hearing years ago about him removing the padding from the gloves let me put it this way it wouldn't surprise me.
I didn't take much to dismantle Rooney I mean he had to drop in weight as I said Rooney had been fighting upwords of 147 and he was KO'd in all of his looses. I understand Alexis looked well prior to the Rooney fight again that was at Lighweight not Light Welterweight.
Yes i know Rooney was just a tune up fight to get Arguello prepared at Light Welterweight but i still didn't think there was anything wrong with Arguello in the first Pryor fight did you ?? he performed amazing imo.
I compared them cause it was obvious neither fighter was the same they once were. Whether one was a drug addict or the other was fighting at age 30 with 82 fights moving up to yet another weight class far from 118 lbs. which is reportedly the weight he started fighting at. Point is whatever reasons maybe they were both past it one way or another.
I have to disagree Arguello might not have been at his peak but he was still very good fighter and the way he performed in the 1st Pryor fight he certainly didn't look past it in any way. Thats totally different to the Pryor who fought Young you could see he had really bad demons in that fight he was a shell of his former self.
I didn't say Hatton would go toe to toe, I said Hatton would smuther Aaron and would try not to let Aaron get his distance to fight. One things for sure it would be a very interesting fight.
He would try but he would fail imo Pryor had much quicker hands than Hatton and he would be backing Hatton up and win by TKO Pryor was an animal and the way he used to swarm fighters was quite unbelievable.
Right, I was never debating their oppositions. Funny you mention this cause I am one of the VERY FEW people on here who believes Tszyu wasn't past his best. I actually thought you also felt Tszyu wasn't past it? I know theirs a few people who think Tszyu wasn't past his best.
JLC that's a whole another story.
Truth is Hatton & Aaron are pretty much hand in hand right now as far as opposition. So a Hatton win would not be out of the question or a far stretched truth.
I believe Hatton deserves more credit for the win but Tszyu was past his best. But i also believe it doesn't make any difference and Hatton would beat Tszyu at any stage in his career because Tszyu always struggled with swarming style thats why he got destroyed by Vince Phillips.
No it wouldn't be out of the question but i just can't see Hatton winning but if you think Hatton would win i have no problem with that.
Yes. The Kostya Tszyu who fought Ricky Hatton was substantially reduced from his peak days.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
He was 36 years old, and he had only three fights in the three years prior to Hatton. Those fights were against Ben Tackie, Jesse James Leija and Sharmba Mitchell. In the two years prior to the Hatton fight, Kostya had several surgeries for a variety of injuries. And to underscore the stage he was in his career, he never fought again.
From 2004:
Undisputed junior welterweight king Kostya Tszyu said on a conference call Thursday that he'll need about six months to recover from shoulder surgery, and should be able to participate in his twice-postponed rematch against former champ Sharmba Mitchell before the year ends.
Tszyu withdrew from their Feb. 7 fight in Moscow last week because he sustained a partially torn tendon during a sparring session, which required surgery Saturday. Tszyu (30-1, 24 KOs, 1 NC) has not fought since last Jan. 19, when beat Leija by sixth-round technical knockout. But the 34-year-old, Russian-born Australian said he won't need a tune-up fight before meeting Maryland's Mitchell (52-3, 29 KOs), despite what will be an extremely lengthy layoff.
"I think we will go right away with Sharmba," Tszyu said, "because I think I'm ready to fight anybody. The most important thing for me is a challenge. I don't believe I'll have any rust because of my preparation."
His hiatus could cost him his titles, too, but Tszyu thinks the sanctioning organizations will accommodate him because he has suffered such serious injuries to a shoulder and an Achilles' tendon over the last seven months.
"It's not really my decision," Tszyu said, "but I think it will be resolved without being a problem to anybody."
The WBC considers Tszyu its "super" champion, which is why Gatti and Branco are fighting for its interim championship. The World Boxing Association also considers Tszyu its "super" champion. Brooklyn's Vivian Harris (23-1-1, 16 KOs) is its interim title-holder.
Ok genius.....riddle me thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
Going by your analogy a prime De La Hoya would have wiped the floor with Mayweather
They guy had won one fight (the sturm bs dont count) since 2003 and still took Floyd to a split.
Kostya sure as hell didn't look shot 7 months earlier when he absolutely battered Sharmba Mitchell.
So what he had a bit of a lay off.....so what he was 36. Kostya was talking about how we would have wiped the floor with the 26 year old version of himself.
The guy had been fighting all his life practically and he proved he was back by destroying Sharmba Mitchell (infact he was much more impressive this time round than he was in 2001 when he was arguably in his prime)
If you want an example of 'severley diminished' look up Robin Reid when he fought Jeff Lacy. You see the difference?
Good point ono some people discredit Hatton beating a old Tszyu but then they never bring up how old Oscar was when he was beat by a sd by PBF.
yeh exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I'm not trying to take anything away from Mayweather's win over ODLH....i was simply using the same analogy that DIOS had used when belittling Hatton.
Are you referring to the same Sharmba Mitchell who was also dusted off by Mayweather and Paul Williams?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Facts: 36 years old. Injuries. Surgeries. Long Layoffs. Never fought again.
Interpret that how you want to.
And Oscar was a spring chicken when he fought PBF and he was in his prime and ready to go right.