Cotto Mosley did just over 400,000 buys-thoughts?

It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

You have to understand this too...Novemebr was a big month for boxing...We had Calzaghe/Kessler....Vargas/Mayorga...and wasn't Mormeck/Haye PPV?.....With it being so close to the holiday season the average fan is not going to spend 200 on PPV's most just picked one...so0 that may have been a big factor...added with the Mosley not being a huge PPV draw and Cotto outside of the sport has little exposure.....Seems low to us for two fighters of that caliber but then again we are die hards

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It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

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This is an Arum lie. Notice that HBO did not issue their usual press release.

An industry source told me that the fight did WAY less. A tad under 300K.

Previous Arum lies: He said that Margarito-Gomez did about 100K. It did 35K.
Arum said that Cotto-Judah did 225K. It actually did 180K.

I understand why Bob does that. It benefits Arum to make his fighter seem like more of a draw than he really is. He is trying to create a successful "brand". Kinda like when the record company buys back a bunch of their artists' cd's.

But you should not believe the Arum numbers. Only trust the industry nums.

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It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

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This is an Arum lie. Notice that HBO did not issue their usual press release.

An industry source told me that the fight did WAY less. A tad under 300K.

Previous Arum lies: He said that Margarito-Gomez did about 100K. It did 35K.
Arum said that Cotto-Judah did 225K. It actually did 180K.

I understand why Bob does that. It benefits Arum to make his fighter seem like more of a draw than he really is. He is trying to create a successful "brand". Kinda like when the record company buys back a bunch of their artists' cd's.

But you should not believe the Arum numbers. Only trust the industry nums.

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Buy stats are available for your cable company...Though I do agree they are a bit inflated by some promoters they have to keep it in reason....

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Buy stats are available for your cable company...Though I do agree they are a bit inflated by some promoters they have to keep it in reason....

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What complicates the accuracy of the reporting is the final rollup from all the RBOC's. For example, The initial nums for TWA was 2.15 mil. And then it rolled up to 2.4 mil.

The most accurate reports SHOULD be from the distributor (Time-Warner) or from an industry data source (AC Nielsen). The promoter is your LEAST reliable source.

The general perception, for example, is that Cotto-Mosley packed out MSG. In truth, there were tons of empty seats. When Shane fought Collazo, the arena was 60% EMPTY.

There are very few legitimate, consistent draws in the sport. Cotto isn't one of them.

Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

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Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

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Please allow me to share PPV history:

Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 2: 1.99 MIL

Tyson-Lewis: 1.8 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 1: 1.59 MIL

Tyson- McNeely: 1.55 MIL

Holyfield - Foreman: 1.4 MIL

DelaHoya-Trinidad: 1.4 MIL

Tyson-Bruno: 1.37 MIL

Tyson-Ruddock 2: 1.25 MIL

Holyfield-Lewis 1: 1.2 MIL

Holyfield-Douglas: 1.06 MIL

Tyson -Selden: 1.01 MIL

DelaHoya- Hopkins - 1.0 Mil

DelaHoya - Mosley 2 : 975K

Tyson- Ruddock 1: 959K

DelaHoya- Vargas - 940K

DelaHoya-Mayorga - 935K

Holyfield-Bowe 1: 929K

Delahoya-Whitaker: 720K


Tyson-Botha: 700K

DelaHoya - Mosley : 585K

Delahoya- Quartey: 570K

Delahoya-Camacho: 560K

Delahoya-Chavez 2: 525K

Trinidad- Wright: 520K

Trinidad - Vargas: 520K

Trinidad-Hopkins: 475K

Tyson-Golota: 450K

Lewis/Tua - 420K

Jones-Tarver 3 : 415K

Mosley-Vargas: 415K

Taylor-Hopkins 2: 410K

DelaHoya - Castillejo: 400K

Mayweather-Judah : 400k

Delahoya-Sturm: 380K

Mosley- Vargas 2 375K

Taylor-Hopkins : 370K

Gatti-Mayweather: 360K

Trinidad-Joppy: 350K

Lewis - Grant: 350K

Hopkins- Tarver: 350K

Delahoya-Campas: 350K

Morales- Pacquiao 3: 360K

Morales- pacquiao 2: 350k

Morales-pacquiao: 340K

Mayweather- Baldomir: 340K

Delahoya-Gonzales: 345K

Morales- Barrera 1,2,3: 300k-330K each

Delahoya- Ruelas: 330K

Hopkins – Wright : 305K

Delahoya- W. Rivera: 240K

Mosley/Estrada & Margarito/Cintron: 225K

Barrera – Marquez: 225K

Delahoya-G. Hernandez: 220K

Cotto – Judah: 180K

Ruiz-Golota: 175K

Barrera-Juarez: 165K

Jones, Jr- Harding: 125K

Klitschko- Williams: 120K

Barrera-Peden: & Mosley/Cruz 110K

Cotto-Malignaggi : 90K

Barrera-Fana: 75K

Rahman-Maskaev: 60K

Margarito-Gomez: 35K

Jones – Hanshaw – 24K

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It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

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i think judah cotto did 500

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It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

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i think judah cotto did 500

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Dream on

Oh you mean 500 exactly?

... Cotto – Judah: 180k

Courtesy of DIOS DOMINICANO...hope they're accurate-ish. ;)

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It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

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Well done :appl: for Cotto.
The kid's only 27 and has had this much success.
A ODLH draw he wont be as I don't think anyone will be, but the kids doing great numbers.

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Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

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Please allow me to share PPV history:

Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 2: 1.99 MIL

Tyson-Lewis: 1.8 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 1: 1.59 MIL

Tyson- McNeely: 1.55 MIL

Holyfield - Foreman: 1.4 MIL

DelaHoya-Trinidad: 1.4 MIL

Tyson-Bruno: 1.37 MIL

Tyson-Ruddock 2: 1.25 MIL

Holyfield-Lewis 1: 1.2 MIL

Holyfield-Douglas: 1.06 MIL

Tyson -Selden: 1.01 MIL

DelaHoya- Hopkins - 1.0 Mil

DelaHoya - Mosley 2 : 975K

Tyson- Ruddock 1: 959K

DelaHoya- Vargas - 940K

DelaHoya-Mayorga - 935K

Holyfield-Bowe 1: 929K

Delahoya-Whitaker: 720K


Tyson-Botha: 700K

DelaHoya - Mosley : 585K

Delahoya- Quartey: 570K

Delahoya-Camacho: 560K

Delahoya-Chavez 2: 525K

Trinidad- Wright: 520K

Trinidad - Vargas: 520K

Trinidad-Hopkins: 475K

Tyson-Golota: 450K

Lewis/Tua - 420K

Jones-Tarver 3 : 415K

Mosley-Vargas: 415K

Taylor-Hopkins 2: 410K

DelaHoya - Castillejo: 400K

Mayweather-Judah : 400k

Delahoya-Sturm: 380K

Mosley- Vargas 2 375K

Taylor-Hopkins : 370K

Gatti-Mayweather: 360K

Trinidad-Joppy: 350K

Lewis - Grant: 350K

Hopkins- Tarver: 350K

Delahoya-Campas: 350K

Morales- Pacquiao 3: 360K

Morales- pacquiao 2: 350k

Morales-pacquiao: 340K

Mayweather- Baldomir: 340K

Delahoya-Gonzales: 345K

Morales- Barrera 1,2,3: 300k-330K each

Delahoya- Ruelas: 330K

Hopkins – Wright : 305K

Delahoya- W. Rivera: 240K

Mosley/Estrada & Margarito/Cintron: 225K

Barrera – Marquez: 225K

Delahoya-G. Hernandez: 220K

Cotto – Judah: 180K

Ruiz-Golota: 175K

Barrera-Juarez: 165K

Jones, Jr- Harding: 125K

Klitschko- Williams: 120K

Barrera-Peden: & Mosley/Cruz 110K

Cotto-Malignaggi : 90K

Barrera-Fana: 75K

Rahman-Maskaev: 60K

Margarito-Gomez: 35K

Jones – Hanshaw – 24K

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Don't know if all this is accurate but if it is then a :coolclick: for your efforts.

It seems that the UFC is still steamrolling most boxing PPV's then. I think 300,000 is an average PPV for them, with less than that being poor.

UFC are doing 1mil+ for the big shows, consistantly. Going off of those numbers I think Hatton v Mayweather may push the 1mil too.

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Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

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dios dominicano, what's your source?

How do I get to 7 negatives for providing FACTS?

I don't understand how that little ratings system works. Can somebody please tell me how to give/get ratings?

I don't need the bullshit. I'll just head back to the HBO boards.

THX

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Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

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Please allow me to share PPV history:

Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 2: 1.99 MIL

Tyson-Lewis: 1.8 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 1: 1.59 MIL

Tyson- McNeely: 1.55 MIL

Holyfield - Foreman: 1.4 MIL

DelaHoya-Trinidad: 1.4 MIL

Tyson-Bruno: 1.37 MIL

Tyson-Ruddock 2: 1.25 MIL

Holyfield-Lewis 1: 1.2 MIL

Holyfield-Douglas: 1.06 MIL

Tyson -Selden: 1.01 MIL

DelaHoya- Hopkins - 1.0 Mil

DelaHoya - Mosley 2 : 975K

Tyson- Ruddock 1: 959K

DelaHoya- Vargas - 940K

DelaHoya-Mayorga - 935K

Holyfield-Bowe 1: 929K

Delahoya-Whitaker: 720K


Tyson-Botha: 700K

DelaHoya - Mosley : 585K

Delahoya- Quartey: 570K

Delahoya-Camacho: 560K

Delahoya-Chavez 2: 525K

Trinidad- Wright: 520K

Trinidad - Vargas: 520K

Trinidad-Hopkins: 475K

Tyson-Golota: 450K

Lewis/Tua - 420K

Jones-Tarver 3 : 415K

Mosley-Vargas: 415K

Taylor-Hopkins 2: 410K

DelaHoya - Castillejo: 400K

Mayweather-Judah : 400k

Delahoya-Sturm: 380K

Mosley- Vargas 2 375K

Taylor-Hopkins : 370K

Gatti-Mayweather: 360K

Trinidad-Joppy: 350K

Lewis - Grant: 350K

Hopkins- Tarver: 350K

Delahoya-Campas: 350K

Morales- Pacquiao 3: 360K

Morales- pacquiao 2: 350k

Morales-pacquiao: 340K

Mayweather- Baldomir: 340K

Delahoya-Gonzales: 345K

Morales- Barrera 1,2,3: 300k-330K each

Delahoya- Ruelas: 330K

Hopkins – Wright : 305K

Delahoya- W. Rivera: 240K

Mosley/Estrada & Margarito/Cintron: 225K

Barrera – Marquez: 225K

Delahoya-G. Hernandez: 220K

Cotto – Judah: 180K

Ruiz-Golota: 175K

Barrera-Juarez: 165K

Jones, Jr- Harding: 125K

Klitschko- Williams: 120K

Barrera-Peden: & Mosley/Cruz 110K

Cotto-Malignaggi : 90K

Barrera-Fana: 75K

Rahman-Maskaev: 60K

Margarito-Gomez: 35K

Jones – Hanshaw – 24K

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That's great list. And it looks pretty accurate. Where did you get your numbers from?

Dios Domingo, did you count PPV buys from Puerto Rico?

I don't know where Dios got his numbers from but here is a link from a reliable soure:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2657809

Mayweather Baldo 325k,Mayweather Judah 374k(NOT 340k and 400k as in your list),so Cotto,at 27,has done more than any Mayweather fight bar the Oscar fight?Awesome1!

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I don't know where Dios got his numbers from but here is a link from a reliable soure:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2657809

Mayweather Baldo 325k,Mayweather Judah 374k(NOT 340k and 400k as in your list),so Cotto,at 27,has done more than any Mayweather fight bar the Oscar fight?Awesome1!

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The numbers I gave you are good.

The numbers on that ESPN article are initial reports. after all the numbers roll up, they almost always increase. For everybody. This is due to the various RBOC's and cable providers reporting differently.

Much like the initial reports for The World Awaits was 2.15 million, and after the final rollup, it increased to 2.4 million.

REPEAT: COTTO-MOSLEY WAS NOT 400K. If you are believing an Arum-reported number, then you are making a MEGA mistake. You would be foolish to believe an Arum num. Trust an HBO initiual report; don't trust a promoter report.

I have no vested interest in mis-reporting any nums here. They are what they are.

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Dominicano.

Pacquiao Making Big Bucks From PPV

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By Rey Danseco

WORLD Boxing Council (WBC) international super featherweight champ Manny Pacquiao will have additional money guaranteed $3 million (P149 million) purse in his concluded rubber match against Erik Morales.

Pacquiao is entitled to $3.5 million (about P174 million) as the 20 percent share from the record-breaking $17.5 million in revenue from estimated 350,000 pay-per-view (PPV) buys, according to HBO, of their third fight last Nov. 18 at the Thomas and Mack Center in Las Vegas.

The total revenue was the highest grossing lighter-weight fight in HBO PPV's history since 1991.

Pacquiao knocked Morales out in the last three second mark of the third round to win the trilogy 2-1.

Mark Taffet of the HBO PPV said Pacquiao’s share will probably rise after the buys are fully counted. Morales also entitled for the same share of Pacquiao but he has only has guaranteed $2.75 million purse.

Taffet added that the Pacquiao-Morales trilogy generated 1,060,000 buys and $49.4 million in PPV revenue.

The first bout in March 2005 where Morales won via unanimous decision generated 350,000 buys and $15.7 million in television revenue. The January rematch where Pacquiao stopped Morales in the 10th round did 360,000 buys and $16.2 million.

The third fight sold in retail prize of $49.95 and the second fight was priced at $44.95 to generate more revenue compare the second encounter.

"We're very pleased with the performance of Pacquiao-Morales 3. It was a very exciting fight for boxing fans. [It] was the highest-grossing fight we've ever had in the lighter weight classes and concluded a memorable trilogy in which over one million buys and nearly $50 million of [pay-per-view] revenue was generated by the two fighters," said Taffet.

The two fights this year of Morales and Pacquiao helped HBO PPV to earn the second biggest income in 2006 with overall 11 cards. Sales totaled 3.7 million buys and approximately $177 million.

It is only behind the revenue made in 1999, which had four big bouts featuring the two Lennox Lewis-Evander Holyfield bouts and Oscar De La Hoya fights against Felix Trinidad and Ike Quartey.

One of the huge fights this year was between Oscar De La Hoya and Ricardo Mayorga, which did 925,000 buys and $46.2 million. The other seven cards generated between 325,000 and 425,000 buys.

Be intresting to see what Hatton Mayweather gets... but its got to be said then mayweather DLH results is a massive plus for boxing 8)

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I don't know where Dios got his numbers from but here is a link from a reliable soure:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2657809

Mayweather Baldo 325k,Mayweather Judah 374k(NOT 340k and 400k as in your list),so Cotto,at 27,has done more than any Mayweather fight bar the Oscar fight?Awesome1!

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I don't think you can really judge it like that. Cotto wasn't the only attraction Mosley was too.

325k for Floyd-Baldomir. That's nothing special for "the best fighter in the world" BUT how many Baldomir fans bought the fight? None. Because Baldomir doesn't have a following.

374k for Floyd-Zab compared with 180K for Cotto-Zab. That's much more telling.

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I don't know where Dios got his numbers from but here is a link from a reliable soure:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2657809

Mayweather Baldo 325k,Mayweather Judah 374k(NOT 340k and 400k as in your list),so Cotto,at 27,has done more than any Mayweather fight bar the Oscar fight?Awesome1!

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I don't think you can really judge it like that. Cotto wasn't the only attraction Mosley was too.

325k for Floyd-Baldomir. That's nothing special for "the best fighter in the world" BUT how many Baldomir fans bought the fight? None. Because Baldomir doesn't have a following.

374k for Floyd-Zab compared with 180K for Cotto-Zab. That's much more telling.

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Maybe,maybe not.Cotto did 225k with Judah(I've only seen 1 link provided, for that,ESPN article,I've seen nothing other than someone's word for 180k,I'm going with Rafael's article until I see the other link),which is still not bad for a guy who has had only a few PPv

fights..And regardless of who he did those with,the numbers Cotto did with Shane are good and are going to raise his stock.Although I agree with the Floyd Baldo analysis,it still shows Floyd is not the mainstream star I've read he is.Then he wasn't. We'll see for the Hatton Mayweather fight. I've read peeps say it'll do 1mill. No way do I see it like that.I think 700k max.

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I don't know where Dios got his numbers from but here is a link from a reliable soure:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2657809

Mayweather Baldo 325k,Mayweather Judah 374k(NOT 340k and 400k as in your list),so Cotto,at 27,has done more than any Mayweather fight bar the Oscar fight?Awesome1!

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I don't think you can really judge it like that. Cotto wasn't the only attraction Mosley was too.

325k for Floyd-Baldomir. That's nothing special for "the best fighter in the world" BUT how many Baldomir fans bought the fight? None. Because Baldomir doesn't have a following.

374k for Floyd-Zab compared with 180K for Cotto-Zab. That's much more telling.

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Maybe,maybe not.Cotto did 225k with Judah(I've only seen 1 link provided, for that,ESPN article,I've seen nothing other than someone's word for 180k,I'm going with Rafael's article until I see the other link),which is still not bad for a guy who has had only a few PPv

fights..And regardless of who he did those with,the numbers Cotto did with Shane are good and are going to raise his stock.Although I agree with the Floyd Baldo analysis,it still shows Floyd is not the mainstream star I've read he is.Then he wasn't. We'll see for the Hatton Mayweather fight. I've read peeps say it'll do 1mill. No way do I see it like that.I think 700k max.

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Yeah this fight with Ricky will show just how much BIGGER Oscar-Floyd made Floyd. Although I highly doubt it will get anywhere near 700,000 let alone 1 million.

My point about Cotto was his fight numbers fall into the standard PPV for all fighters barring Oscar.. I don't see his numbers surging upwards in the future. Guys like Oscar are clearly one-offs in the popularity stakes.

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Maybe,maybe not.Cotto did 225k with Judah(I've only seen 1 link provided, for that,ESPN article,I've seen nothing other than someone's word for 180k,I'm going with Rafael's article until I see the other link),which is still not bad for a guy who has had only a few PPv

fights..And regardless of who he did those with,the numbers Cotto did with Shane are good and are going to raise his stock.Although I agree with the Floyd Baldo analysis,it still shows Floyd is not the mainstream star I've read he is.Then he wasn't. We'll see for the Hatton Mayweather fight. I've read peeps say it'll do 1mill. No way do I see it like that.I think 700k max.

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Gamo,

I don't understand.

You were questioning and criticizing my numbers as only being 95% accurate, yet you keep claiming that "Cotto did good numbers" when the only numbers you have seen are the propaganda from the promoter. Who is a proven and consistent liar.

And I told you that Cotto-Mosley numbers were WAY less. And I just provided you with SIXTY FIVE other PPV numbers that you can't dispute for more than +/- five percent.

AGAIN: COTTO-MOSLEY DID NOT DO 400K. IT DID A BIT UNDER 300K. When I get the exact figure, I will post it. But for now, the 300K number is what you should use.

REPEAT: 300 K.... NOT 400K.

Dios Dominicano who is your source

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Pacquiao Making Big Bucks From PPV

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By Rey Danseco

WORLD Boxing Council (WBC) international super featherweight champ Manny Pacquiao will have additional money guaranteed $3 million (P149 million) purse in his concluded rubber match against Erik Morales.

Pacquiao is entitled to $3.5 million (about P174 million) as the 20 percent share from the record-breaking $17.5 million in revenue from estimated 350,000 pay-per-view (PPV) buys, according to HBO, of their third fight last Nov. 18 at the Thomas and Mack Center in Las Vegas.

The total revenue was the highest grossing lighter-weight fight in HBO PPV's history since 1991.

Pacquiao knocked Morales out in the last three second mark of the third round to win the trilogy 2-1.

Mark Taffet of the HBO PPV said Pacquiao’s share will probably rise after the buys are fully counted. Morales also entitled for the same share of Pacquiao but he has only has guaranteed $2.75 million purse.

Taffet added that the Pacquiao-Morales trilogy generated 1,060,000 buys and $49.4 million in PPV revenue.

The first bout in March 2005 where Morales won via unanimous decision generated 350,000 buys and $15.7 million in television revenue. The January rematch where Pacquiao stopped Morales in the 10th round did 360,000 buys and $16.2 million.

The third fight sold in retail prize of $49.95 and the second fight was priced at $44.95 to generate more revenue compare the second encounter.

"We're very pleased with the performance of Pacquiao-Morales 3. It was a very exciting fight for boxing fans. [It] was the highest-grossing fight we've ever had in the lighter weight classes and concluded a memorable trilogy in which over one million buys and nearly $50 million of [pay-per-view] revenue was generated by the two fighters," said Taffet.

The two fights this year of Morales and Pacquiao helped HBO PPV to earn the second biggest income in 2006 with overall 11 cards. Sales totaled 3.7 million buys and approximately $177 million.

It is only behind the revenue made in 1999, which had four big bouts featuring the two Lennox Lewis-Evander Holyfield bouts and Oscar De La Hoya fights against Felix Trinidad and Ike Quartey.

One of the huge fights this year was between Oscar De La Hoya and Ricardo Mayorga, which did 925,000 buys and $46.2 million. The other seven cards generated between 325,000 and 425,000 buys.

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Well DiosDomincano to be fair.
Can you explain the difference between the numbers a Promoter gives vs. the numbers a Network gives?
What makes the numbers a network gives more accurate then a promoters?
Let's keep in mind these are the same networks who actually have a saying in who their 'Show Star' fighters fights.
I'm sure you know where DiBella originates from I'm sure you know Shaws connections with Showtime.
Truth is unless YOU yourself counted the buys you'll never know the real numbers. :)

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Well DiosDomincano to be fair.
Can you explain the difference between the numbers a Promoter gives vs. the numbers a Network gives?
What makes the numbers a network gives more accurate then a promoters?
Let's keep in mind these are the same networks who actually have a saying in who their 'Show Star' fighters fights.
I'm sure you know where DiBella originates from I'm sure you know Shaws connections with Showtime.
Truth is unless YOU yourself counted the buys you'll never know the real numbers. :)

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The numbers that the network reports (a public company that reports revenues, business results and profits to its sharholders) are going to be accurate. Or pretty close. Time-Warner has to file financial reports to the SEC (10Q, 10K). With the Sarbanes-Oxley requirements, they aren't going to abjectly falsify the nums. No reason for it.

The numbers that a promoter reports are intended to , er, PROMOTE his fighter. Those numbers can be anything because the promoter is under ZERO obligation to report accurately. Not his profit. Not his side endorsement deals. Not his cut of the event. He is trying to make his fighter seem like he is a commercial draw to create excitement for future events.

For example, Mark Taffet will directly tell you that 2007 will be his biggest year. They will exceed 4 million buys (in fact, they are close even before 'Undefeated'). The previous record year was 1999.

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I don't know where Dios got his numbers from but here is a link from a reliable soure:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2657809

Mayweather Baldo 325k,Mayweather Judah 374k(NOT 340k and 400k as in your list),so Cotto,at 27,has done more than any Mayweather fight bar the Oscar fight?Awesome1!

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I don't think you can really judge it like that. Cotto wasn't the only attraction Mosley was too.

325k for Floyd-Baldomir. That's nothing special for "the best fighter in the world" BUT how many Baldomir fans bought the fight? None. Because Baldomir doesn't have a following.

374k for Floyd-Zab compared with 180K for Cotto-Zab. That's much more telling.

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Maybe,maybe not.Cotto did 225k with Judah(I've only seen 1 link provided, for that,ESPN article,I've seen nothing other than someone's word for 180k,I'm going with Rafael's article until I see the other link),which is still not bad for a guy who has had only a few PPv

fights..And regardless of who he did those with,the numbers Cotto did with Shane are good and are going to raise his stock.Although I agree with the Floyd Baldo analysis,it still shows Floyd is not the mainstream star I've read he is.Then he wasn't. We'll see for the Hatton Mayweather fight. I've read peeps say it'll do 1mill. No way do I see it like that.I think 700k max.

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If Mayweather-Gatti did 360000, it's hard to argue Ricky has a higher profile/US fanbase than Arturo. Maybe the PBF-DLH fight and the 24/7 thingies will help, but it's going to be closer to half a million than a million.If we were running a book on this, I wonder what the over/under would be? :)

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Dios Dominicano who is your source

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I work in promotions. The financial end. Unfortunately, not fight promotions.

CPG companies, who are typically the corporate sponsors, track the numbers so they can calculate the efficiency of the trade spend and media buys.

Viewership and household penetration is tracked closely. Otherwise, how do you know if you are spending your money wisely?

The two key (purchase and media data) firms used by CPG companies are IRI and AC Nielsen.

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Well DiosDomincano to be fair.
Can you explain the difference between the numbers a Promoter gives vs. the numbers a Network gives?
What makes the numbers a network gives more accurate then a promoters?
Let's keep in mind these are the same networks who actually have a saying in who their 'Show Star' fighters fights.
I'm sure you know where DiBella originates from I'm sure you know Shaws connections with Showtime.
Truth is unless YOU yourself counted the buys you'll never know the real numbers. :)

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The numbers that the network reports (a public company that reports revenues, business results and profits to its sharholders) are going to be accurate. Or pretty close. Time-Warner has to file financial reports to the SEC (10Q, 10K). With the Sarbanes-Oxley requirements, they aren't going to abjectly falsify the nums. No reason for it.

The numbers that a promoter reports are intended to , er, PROMOTE his fighter. Those numbers can be anything because the promoter is under ZERO obligation to report accurately. Not his profit. Not his side endorsement deals. Not his cut of the event. He is trying to make his fighter seem like he is a commercial draw to create excitement for future events.

For example, Mark Taffet will directly tell you that 2007 will be his biggest year. They will exceed 4 million buys (in fact, they are close even before 'Undefeated'). The previous record year was 1999.

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Right, but you see what I highlighted in Green for you that alone is a window as big as the great wall of China. I mean what exactly does "pretty close" mean? Pretty close to me would be within 10 buy, pretty close to co. means bigger numbers.
I know that, TW or whomever has to report numbers but those numbers are set/given to SEC that does not mean that they are the same numbers the public sees. Unless you yourself work for SEC and have documents for the numbers you listed then I really don't see how ANY of the numbers you or for that matter anyone puts up on the net are accurate.
As I said unless someone here actually counted the buys I really don't see how we can determine who's numbers are right.

It just hit me right now, I'm fucken debating number of buys that my money is going into. :(

I need a break here to gather myself. :-\

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Dios Dominicano who is your source

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I work in promotions. The financial end. Unfortunately, not fight promotions.

CPG companies, who are typically the corporate sponsors, track the numbers so they can calculate the efficiency of the trade spend and media buys.

Viewership and household penetration is tracked closely. Otherwise, how do you know if you are spending your money wisely?

The two key (purchase and media data) firms used by CPG companies are IRI and AC Nielsen.

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in my opinion you sound like you know what you are talking about, especially with PPV buys

but you seem a bit sensitive to criticism/questions,

if you stay on this forum long enough you will realize this is by far the most knowledgable group of boxing posters on any forum on the net..

and alot of that comes from sources, and people here arnt used to having someone coming in with all the answers but no sources, and that is why they asked... and you gave your sources, and i think they are probably accurate, but there is no reason to be pissed because someone asked you for them...

i hope you keep posting because you seem very interesting and knowledgeable but try not to be so aggressive towards the 1000+ posters here...

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Right, but you see what I highlighted in Green for you that alone is a window as big as the great wall of China. I mean what exactly does "pretty close" mean? Pretty close to me would be within 10 buy, pretty close to co. means bigger numbers.
I know that, TW or whomever has to report numbers but those numbers are set/given to SEC that does not mean that they are the same numbers the public sees. Unless you yourself work for SEC and have documents for the numbers you listed then I really don't see how ANY of the numbers you or for that matter anyone puts up on the net are accurate.
As I said unless someone here actually counted the buys I really don't see how we can determine who's numbers are right.

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Sigh.

The numbers are reported by a the cable companies and they rollup a bit higher after the initial reports. Allow me to dimensionalize the magnitude for you.

From the initial report to the final rollup, you will have a 5% to 10% difference. You will not have a 35% difference as Gamo was indicating.

But believe what you want. Have at it.

Correction: TIME WARNER IS A PUBLIC COMPANY. Public. Let me repeat that : PUBLIC. You don't have to work for the SEC to see the Q or the K. You can google it and read it online. It is an , ahem, PUBLIC document. Do you invest in the stock market?

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Right, but you see what I highlighted in Green for you that alone is a window as big as the great wall of China. I mean what exactly does "pretty close" mean? Pretty close to me would be within 10 buy, pretty close to co. means bigger numbers.
I know that, TW or whomever has to report numbers but those numbers are set/given to SEC that does not mean that they are the same numbers the public sees. Unless you yourself work for SEC and have documents for the numbers you listed then I really don't see how ANY of the numbers you or for that matter anyone puts up on the net are accurate.
As I said unless someone here actually counted the buys I really don't see how we can determine who's numbers are right.

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Sigh.

The numbers are reported by a the cable companies and they rollup a bit higher after the initial reports. Allow me to dimensionalize the magnitude for you.

From the initial report to the final rollup, you will have a 5% to 10% difference. You will not have a 35% difference as Gamo was indicating.

But believe what you want. Have at it.

Correction: TIME WARNER IS A PUBLIC COMPANY. Public. Let me repeat that : PUBLIC. You don't have to work for the SEC to see the Q or the K. You can google it and read it online. It is an , ahem, PUBLIC document. Do you invest in the stock market?

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Am I upsetting you?
So the sigh is for?
You know you don't have to reply to peoples posts if you really don't want to. You threw some numbers out in a post, you realize any content in a post is up for debate. If you didn't want people to question your numbers then you should have put an asterix at the bottom that read:
"These numbers are real and there is no room for questioning them"
that way no one here would have even bothered with it.
I am an invester but NOT in thief-scum-sucking-leeching companies like that. The market is controlled by those waaaaay at the top and unless your one of them then your pretty much supporting everyone but yourself. On the ocassion one or two will get lucky here and there but for the most part it's all the same shit, just different day.

If you must know I invest in real estate I choose the product and choose how much money is invested, this way I don't have anyone playing with my money and or using it to feed themselves. :)

Hey DiosDominicano, you seem very credible and I believe you. Anyways I wanted to know if you could tell me UFC's ppv numbers for 2007.

Thank you

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Am I upsetting you?
So the sigh is for?

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a) No
b) Disappointment

What about the UFC buys?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Well DiosDomincano to be fair.
Can you explain the difference between the numbers a Promoter gives vs. the numbers a Network gives?
What makes the numbers a network gives more accurate then a promoters?
Let's keep in mind these are the same networks who actually have a saying in who their 'Show Star' fighters fights.
I'm sure you know where DiBella originates from I'm sure you know Shaws connections with Showtime.
Truth is unless YOU yourself counted the buys you'll never know the real numbers. :)

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The numbers that the network reports (a public company that reports revenues, business results and profits to its sharholders) are going to be accurate. Or pretty close. Time-Warner has to file financial reports to the SEC (10Q, 10K). With the Sarbanes-Oxley requirements, they aren't going to abjectly falsify the nums. No reason for it.

The numbers that a promoter reports are intended to , er, PROMOTE his fighter. Those numbers can be anything because the promoter is under ZERO obligation to report accurately. Not his profit. Not his side endorsement deals. Not his cut of the event. He is trying to make his fighter seem like he is a commercial draw to create excitement for future events.

For example, Mark Taffet will directly tell you that 2007 will be his biggest year. They will exceed 4 million buys (in fact, they are close even before 'Undefeated'). The previous record year was 1999.

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Right, but you see what I highlighted in Green for you that alone is a window as big as the great wall of China. I mean what exactly does "pretty close" mean? Pretty close to me would be within 10 buy, pretty close to co. means bigger numbers.
I know that, TW or whomever has to report numbers but those numbers are set/given to SEC that does not mean that they are the same numbers the public sees. Unless you yourself work for SEC and have documents for the numbers you listed then I really don't see how ANY of the numbers you or for that matter anyone puts up on the net are accurate.
As I said unless someone here actually counted the buys I really don't see how we can determine who's numbers are right.

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usually the correct PPV numbers come out a week or more after the fight....ones posted the same or next day are from the major metro areas....many times the smaller companies or contract companies that service less populated areas do not get their exact sales to the parent company for a few days past the time of the fights.....PPV #'s origionally reported are often exact buys from the larger metro areas then for unpresent numbers from the smaller companies are estimated....

also at times numbers from the cable companies and promoters will be off...due to such reasons....prornoters will also estimate for unreported sales until the final tabulation and if their est number is higher they will keep it for their PR area...somewhere in buried fine print of their advertising and reporting contracts there is a small small clause stating they possibly will do that and give a % of max amount numbers could be off.....It is called estimeted projectory of forcasted sales....and allows that margin of error based on mass population per capita divided on the probability of forcasted reports by comparing prior buys in the outer metro areas and popularity if the event in advertising revenue spent in the region......take the highest credible reported sales and the lowest reported sales and it is usually somewhere in between