is HOPKINS really that great ?

he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

You argue about Ko's?

lol they mean jack, Sweetpea couldn't ko for jack, he was great, one of many soft punchers.

Hopkins is a very good boxer, top 100.

Yes

He is amazing.

This threads a joke right? ???

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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This has got to be DD he has to atleast mention Eubank once everytime he makes a post.

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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I don't care if a guy lost to a limbless mannequin....To be champion of one of boxings premier divisions for almost 11yrs and have 20 defenses puts you in the ATG catagory......


I echo Trainer Monkey's words...This thread has to be a joke

Yes he Is.With respect(?) Are u One of His Sparring partners he beats up.Theres too many Inaccuracy's and tardness here to even respond!
Better luck In the American Gladiators Forum.

Omar Sheika did not beat up Glen Johnson by any means. Hopkins is the only man to really beat up Glen and stop him although Glen was game in that fight, Hopkins broke him down. Also Hop hadnt yet peaked when he fought Roy and it was still very competitive. Also the Mercado fight was a rightfully a draw not a Mercado robbery. Hopkins avenged it anyways like a true champion.

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

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In RJJ's prime it was very hard to beat so loosing to RJJ period is nothing to be ashamed of.
The Glen fight was a prime example of things to come. How he fought and broke down Glen was masterful it's obvious your seeing the fight by names and not by what took place in the fight and how the fight was won.

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KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

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We talked about this the other night what does the starting weight have to do with how a fighter fought years later.
Fighters like Duran, ODLH, Pacquiao started off at weight waaaay below where they evetually fought at but still performed well and became champs.
To think that you are talking about a fighters starting weight has everything to do with how they will fight years later is absurd.

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i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

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>:mad No you did not just insult the Celtic Warrior >:mad
That's it now you pissed me off. >:mad
You should note that Eubank (as much as I like him as a fighter) is and will always be pissed off because he feels he was robbed.
Same way Hagler will forever dislike SRL. ;)

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think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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If the alsmot 11yrs as a champion and 20 defenses is spectacular enough for you then you might as well give up now cause it doesn't get any better thet that.
One thing I will say is that you can take almost anybodys career and disect it and break down names but you gotta look deeper then that you gotta remember rankings, what they had done leading up to the fight among other things. :)

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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I don't care if a guy lost to a limbless mannequin....To be champion of one of boxings premier divisions for almost 11yrs and have 20 defenses puts you in the ATG catagory......


I echo Trainer Monkey's words...This thread has to be a joke

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Although I agree with you guys that BHop is an all time great the OP does have a point about Hopkins highlight reel though.

Put it this way, how many of you would seek out his career set on DVD? :-X

Why do you even bother Mick ?? DD is one of the biggest Jones Jr, Hopkins, haters there are and he knows more about Eubank than even Eubank himself knows he is obsessed with Eubank i don't take any notice of his posts they are ridiculous he thinks Eubank beat Watson in the 1st fight by a landslide ::**

no this thread is not a joke, HOPKINS is talked about as the greatest middleweight of all time but based on what ??

personally i dont think he carries HAGLER's or MONZON's jockstraps. he lost to RJJ, MERCADO and TAYLOR twice and who did he fight between ? he struggled with ECHOLS who BREWER trashed

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no this thread is not a joke, HOPKINS is talked about as the greatest middleweight of all time but based on what ??

personally i dont think he carries HAGLER's or MONZON's jockstraps. he lost to RJJ, MERCADO and TAYLOR twice and who did he fight between ? he struggled with ECHOLS who BREWER trashed

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Mercado fight was a draw then he blasted him out in a rematch learn the facts ::**

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no this thread is not a joke, HOPKINS is talked about as the greatest middleweight of all time but based on what ??

personally i dont think he carries HAGLER's or MONZON's jockstraps. he lost to RJJ, MERCADO and TAYLOR twice and who did he fight between ? he struggled with ECHOLS who BREWER trashed

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Hagler lost 2 fights contaversial or not, and drew with Sugar Ray and Seales Vito Antuofermo. And Monzon had 9 draws and 3 losses. But your right, neither of them ever struggled with a fight, only Hopkins has ::**

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no this thread is not a joke, HOPKINS is talked about as the greatest middleweight of all time but based on what ??

personally i dont think he carries HAGLER's or MONZON's jockstraps. he lost to RJJ, MERCADO and TAYLOR twice and who did he fight between ? he struggled with ECHOLS who BREWER trashed

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You freaking retard
He beat Echols for a round and a half one handed because he dislocated his shoulder after Echols hip tossed him
Jesus freaking christ
On top of it,he won those rounds with his jab hand

lost to a one handed roy jones.......................... roy jones always seems to claim he had a broken hand going into fights, he did it againest hopkins, james toney and someone else

to become world champion, to go on and be the undisputed champion and reign for 10 years makes you a atg

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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I don't care if a guy lost to a limbless mannequin....To be champion of one of boxings premier divisions for almost 11yrs and have 20 defenses puts you in the ATG catagory......


I echo Trainer Monkey's words...This thread has to be a joke

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Although I agree with you guys that BHop is an all time great the OP does have a point about Hopkins highlight reel though.

Put it this way, how many of you would seek out his career set on DVD? :-X

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Well Bilbo....I must be one of the biggest suckers.Before the DVD sets came out and the downloads available,I payed 25 bucks for a tape Of Everything there was on Early Hopkins...Yes The Great one B-Hop even had to re-dube as I I wore through them.A true tactical master Indeed

I wouldn't have him ahead of both Monzon or Hagler. Hopkins was good but his best wins were against the smaller guys moving up. He is in the top 5 of all time Middleweights due to his long reign and defence record
but both the Marvellous one and King Carlos would have beaten him.

Anyone that can beat Winky wright, at any weight is a great man to me.

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I wouldn't have him ahead of both Monzon or Hagler. Hopkins was good but his best wins were against the smaller guys moving up. He is in the top 5 of all time Middleweights due to his long reign and defence record
but both the Marvellous one and King Carlos would have beaten him.

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He is maybe top 3 Middleweight of all time but some people could argue Greb for that spot but i think Greb is maybe 4 or 5 best Middleweight of all time. But i do think Robinson's Middleweight campaign is a bit overrated he went 8-6 in championship fights i believe thats why i can't understand why some people call him best Middleweight of all time.

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I wouldn't have him ahead of both Monzon or Hagler. Hopkins was good but his best wins were against the smaller guys moving up. He is in the top 5 of all time Middleweights due to his long reign and defence record
but both the Marvellous one and King Carlos would have beaten him.

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You say Hopkins best wins were against smaller guys moving but Hagler's best wins were also against smaller guys moving up.

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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Where does Saddo find some of these clowns?

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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Where does Saddo find some of these clowns?

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DD has about 5 other accounts.

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he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !

KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters

i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"

who does that sound like ?

think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no

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Where does Saddo find some of these clowns?

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DD has about 5 other accounts.

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Who the fuck is DD?

He was a member here about 2 years ago.

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I wouldn't have him ahead of both Monzon or Hagler. Hopkins was good but his best wins were against the smaller guys moving up. He is in the top 5 of all time Middleweights due to his long reign and defence record
but both the Marvellous one and King Carlos would have beaten him.

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You say Hopkins best wins were against smaller guys moving but Hagler's best wins were also against smaller guys moving up.

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Quite right, Hagler's best wins were against smaller guys but i put him ahead of Hopkins due to his seven year reign and the win against Hearns was awesome. Not much between them, I have Monzon as no.1 Middleweight.

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I wouldn't have him ahead of both Monzon or Hagler. Hopkins was good but his best wins were against the smaller guys moving up. He is in the top 5 of all time Middleweights due to his long reign and defence record
but both the Marvellous one and King Carlos would have beaten him.

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You say Hopkins best wins were against smaller guys moving but Hagler's best wins were also against smaller guys moving up.

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Quite right, Hagler's best wins were against smaller guys but i put him ahead of Hopkins due to his seven year reign and the win against Hearns was awesome. Not much between them, I have Monzon as no.1 Middleweight.

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Ditto.

Yea but Boom Carlos was loses were before he had 20 fights and he never lsot again he also had way more fight then Bernard has and ever will.

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Yea but Boom Carlos was loses were before he had 20 fights and he never lsot again he also had way more fight then Bernard has and ever will.

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yeah his losses were early in his career but he had some draws in the middle of his career, some against c class opponents and he avenged many of them. Monzon is the greatest middleweight of all time imo and he shouldnt be remembered for his draws or loses just like Hopkins shouldnt be ranked lower because he drew with Mercado once. He went on to get the biggest wins of his career after that. Monzon did the same.

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I wouldn't have him ahead of both Monzon or Hagler. Hopkins was good but his best wins were against the smaller guys moving up. He is in the top 5 of all time Middleweights due to his long reign and defence record
but both the Marvellous one and King Carlos would have beaten him.

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You say Hopkins best wins were against smaller guys moving but Hagler's best wins were also against smaller guys moving up.

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Duran was the smallest guy Hagler beat...most everyone else was about the same size.....Leonard is actually bigger then Hagler. Mugabi abt the same height but face to face he is and was much thicker,,,Mugabi really sucked it up to fight at 154.......Hearns we all know was much bigger....Minter, Vito etc all within an inch of Hagler and about the same weight.....

Hagler was a solid middleweight....he did not walk around at 180 then drop to 160.....Marvin maintained about 170 when not fighting in his prime....He was just a machine

What a joke of a thread, of course Hopkins is an ATG.

If Joe beats him, I bet at least half of you who have said yes, will be saying NO.

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If Joe beats him, I bet at least half of you who have said yes, will be saying NO.

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It wouldn't matter who beat him right now he has already accomplished enough to fit the status.....Can't take away what he has already done....A loss to Calzaghe can't hurt him really...if anything it would be Calzaghe who was hurt in the terms of Legecy if he lost to Hopkins.....Joe still has a lot of detractors...the only thing that could hurt Hopkins is if he stayed around and started to lose to nobody's......

We all forget sometimes this is a man almost 43 yrs old or just turned 43 cant remember which...and holds the LHW Ring title....has only lost twice in 11 years....

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If Joe beats him, I bet at least half of you who have said yes, will be saying NO.

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Yeah right,he's 44,unified the middleweight division,moved up two divisions and took that as well
Ali lost to Holmes and Berbick,man that really took him off the all time greats list

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If Joe beats him, I bet at least half of you who have said yes, will be saying NO.

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No way,We would say "he was an old man and over rated anyway,He fought nothing but bloated Jr.middles and never weres...Oh yeah he was very dirty also" did we mention he was as old as dirt? ;)
Hopkins Legacy Is signed and seeled.His display case in the IBHOF and spot in the history books are awaiting.
Im a new Calzaghe fan,love his attitude and pention for action but To be real......Calzaghe to further his legacy needs Hopkins......Hopkins does not need Calzaghe.

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If Joe beats him, I bet at least half of you who have said yes, will be saying NO.

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In the words of my English mates.
Who ever says that is a muppet. :)

hopkins is average..no seriously..another one of those just above average champs who gets lauded over in the US "cos he was chap for 11 years"...nigel benn would have KTFout of him..he's too scared to come over here and fight joe..if he's so great show us why and do it outside of your backyard..sorry but roy jones showed us how "good" hopkins is/was..now i see his trainer is telling him to fight jones again instead of joe!!!he knows he would get a whuppin against someone who really is a true great...stay in your cave hopkins where your followers tell you how great you are time and again

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Yea but Boom Carlos was loses were before he had 20 fights and he never lsot again he also had way more fight then Bernard has and ever will.

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yeah his losses were early in his career but he had some draws in the middle of his career, some against c class opponents and he avenged many of them. Monzon is the greatest middleweight of all time imo and he shouldnt be remembered for his draws or loses just like Hopkins shouldnt be ranked lower because he drew with Mercado once. He went on to get the biggest wins of his career after that. Monzon did the same.

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Imagine how good Monzon would have been if he had of trained harder got off the piss and stopped smoking and F***ing every five minutes!

He was much better in earlier fights. He didn't hold that much back then. Judging by the respect that roy jones gave him in the ring tells me he is a damn good dangerous fighter.

Is Hopkins Really that great?

Yes, yes he is.